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Shouldn't there be a comma in that title? I first read this as "Trek fans' too-tight uniforms" (which honestly is why I clicked that link) but it seems it should be "Trek fans, too-tight uniforms."
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Did they only wear that crazy suit for one season? I've only seen a handful of episodes, but I'm sure a few were from later seasons. What did the later uniforms look like?
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quote:Originally posted by maui babe: Did they only wear that crazy suit for one season?
Well, the ultra-tight version resurfaced in the final episode, when Picard began visiting different periods in time.
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My roommate and I watched that final episode two nights ago. We're fighting through the last season of Babylon 5 (which has gotten measurably less enjoyable), and the last episode of Star Trek made me want to watch that whole series all over again!
And for the fun of it, a bunch of Patrick Stewart videos:
quote:Originally posted by Puffy Treat: I only -thought- I typed an "and" up there.
I believe the convention has become that you would not use a comma if the two: "star trek fans" and "uniforms," were related. With a comma after the "and," you denote that indeed, fans and uniforms are separate items of business.
What you've written here is not necessarily to be taken as linking the fans with wearing too-tight uniforms, however the sentence is more ambiguous. With a comma after the "and," you would clearly show that there is a distinction between two subjects.
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The uber tight uniforms were only in the first season, maybe part of the second season. After that Picard either wore the new style, or the grey shirt with red jacket.
quote:Originally posted by Puffy Treat: I only -thought- I typed an "and" up there.
I believe the convention has become that you would not use a comma if the two: "star trek fans" and "uniforms," were related. With a comma after the "and," you denote that indeed, fans and uniforms are separate items of business.
What you've written here is not necessarily to be taken as linking the fans with wearing too-tight uniforms, however the sentence is more ambiguous. With a comma after the "and," you would clearly show that there is a distinction between two subjects.
Davidson's Law is a harsh thing.
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quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: I believe the convention has become that you would not use a comma if the two: "star trek fans" and "uniforms," were related. With a comma after the "and," you denote that indeed, fans and uniforms are separate items of business.
What you've written here is not necessarily to be taken as linking the fans with wearing too-tight uniforms, however the sentence is more ambiguous. With a comma after the "and," you would clearly show that there is a distinction between two subjects.
I originally had nothing between the two, comma or "and", so I can understand how I confused kq. Posts: 6689 | Registered: Jan 2005
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quote: Is the Picard Maneuver when he tugs his shirt?
Yes, but you also have to have a cup of Earl Grey Tea, hot.
So what is everyone's favorite Trek series? I love The Next Generation, Voyager, and Deep Space Nine, in that order, followed by Star Trek and Enterprise.
The Next Generation is seminal TV, and it ended much much better than it began, which says something when compared to shows like Buffy or The X-Files. Plus, that episode where Picard lives an entire life as a simple man on a distant plan with a family in only 20 minutes, may in fact be the greatest hour of tv I have ever seen.
It's up there with Two Cathedrals (The West Wing) and The Gift (Buffy).
BTW, Picard is better than Kirk... Posts: 457 | Registered: Jun 2005
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I like Enterprise it is also the only series I have seen 90% of.
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As for favorite episode, it had to be the Best of Both Worlds. That cliffhanger at the end of Part I was a killer.
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Oh absolutely. Best of Both Worlds was great, but have you seen The Year of Hell? It was the two part episode on Voyager where the time ship began to change history in the Delta Quadrant, and Voyager came under constant attack. I think that two part episode is on par with Best of Both Worlds, both in scope and complete emotional resonance. It was absolutely brilliant.
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It ended with Janeway crashing Voyager into the time ship in order to destroy it, a Janeway who was scared from walking into a fire and the crew in escape pods on the way to the Alpha Quadrant. Great episode.
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"Year of Hell" was also part of that great epic tradition that Voyager really tried to follow with two part episodes. I remember being about 14 when this episode came out, and being absolutely riveted to every second of it. For me, Voyager and Deep space nine came at this time where tv shows can really have a powerful impact- and this was one that was done SO well. Brilliant.
It also honored the tradition of Voyager being under fire and shaking itself apart in every other episode. The great thing about the feel of the show, which is so different from the Enterprise on TNG, is that you really feel like Voyager is in constant physical danger, and it's like a submarine movie from the 1950s, with the people inside just gritting their teeth and hanging on for the ride.
With TNG, it was always some insidious force that the crew needed to figure out in order for them to find a way to defeat it- it was always sort of invisible. But with Voyager, the ship was getting torn up, twisted into new shapes, I think there are at least five episodes where the ship is just destroyed outright- in some alternate dimension, or a possible future, or whatever. That only happened once that I can think of on TNG- but even when the Enterprise-D was eventually destroyed, it was not a harrowing duel, but a cheap shot that did it- more invisible forces.
You have that, and Voyager being hijacked numerous times, by virtually every group they ever encountered- being assimilated, being turned into a holodeck, crashing in the 100th episode, and so on.
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quote:Originally posted by Puffy Treat: I only -thought- I typed an "and" up there.
I believe the convention has become that you would not use a comma if the two: "star trek fans" and "uniforms," were related. With a comma after the "and," you denote that indeed, fans and uniforms are separate items of business.
What you've written here is not necessarily to be taken as linking the fans with wearing too-tight uniforms, however the sentence is more ambiguous. With a comma after the "and," you would clearly show that there is a distinction between two subjects.
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Oh, and TNG all the way!
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Icarus, he saw the current title, not the one before ('...on Trek fans too-tight uniforms'). If it doesn't make sense it's because people were talking about different things.
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Oh, and TNG all the way! Posts: 4519 | Registered: Sep 2003
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It and DS9 ran concurrently for a while. DS9 was a far better show, in my opinion, especially when compared to the early seasons of Voyager.
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quote:Originally posted by Noemon: It and DS9 ran concurrently for a while. DS9 was a far better show, in my opinion, especially when compared to the early seasons of Voyager.
You are correct, but it's unfair to compare a late season of one ST show to an early season of another. Don't you remember how much TNG and DS9 sucked at first?
That being said, Voyager wasn't nearly as bad as people now like to say. I think it's another manifestation of familiarity breeding contempt.
Although I will agree that Janeway was annoying as hell. She reminds me of Holden, in a way. Posts: 13680 | Registered: Mar 2002
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quote: It and DS9 ran concurrently for a while. DS9 was a far better show, in my opinion, especially when compared to the early seasons of Voyager.
I'd put any episode of Voyager up against the first two seasons before the Dominion on Deep Space Nine, and I would bet that Voyager would win every time. Whether it was Kes or 7 of 9, I always thought Voyager tended to be better, simply because I think there is much more of that familial bond in the crew of Voyager. To me, thats what I love about TNG, the friendships and families on that ship were special, as were the friendships on Voyager, but on Deep Space Nine that familial relationship always felt forced, as if the writers were more interested in The Dominion than they were in the bond of the characters on DS9. And I am really a character guy, I value character much more than story.
Still, the Dominion War was absolutely a brilliant arc on DS9, and yet, I love Voyager just a little bit more.
Actually, I like TNG much more than both of them, but as I said, Year of Hell was just awesome.
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I think the actual story arcs that DS9 had was a good addition to Trek in general. With TNG, most of the time what happened in one episode didn't affect any of the ones following (aside from two part episodes, and the episode "Family" in the fourth season since it connected to "The Best of Both Worlds").
While I didn't mind the episodic nature of TNG, I always wondered how someone could be tortured in one episode, and perfectly fine in the next episode.
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While I didn't mind the episodic nature of TNG, I always wondered how someone could be tortured in one episode, and perfectly fine in the next episode.
Come on, with how advanced their regenerative based medicine was of course they could heal any wounds from torture within a few hours if not a day.
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quote:Originally posted by Noemon: It and DS9 ran concurrently for a while. DS9 was a far better show, in my opinion, especially when compared to the early seasons of Voyager.
You are correct, but it's unfair to compare a late season of one ST show to an early season of another. Don't you remember how much TNG and DS9 sucked at first?
That is the familiar arc of all the series. IF Enterprise had continued into a few more seasons, I think the results would have been much better.
Part of that is just the nature of the shows, which were always the most ambitious format for creative television. Coming up with 24 new episodes every year of decent programming is an incredible challenge. I have no idea how they managed.
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quote:Originally posted by Icarus: That being said, Voyager wasn't nearly as bad as people now like to say. I think it's another manifestation of familiarity breeding contempt.
Then why didn't people feel similar contempt towards the end of TNG or DS9? Or are you saying that it was familiarity with Star Trek as a whole that bred contempt? There may be some truth to that—Voyager eventually succeeded in turning me off Star Trek altogether—but I still think the show was in many ways simply not as good as either TNG or DS9.
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I think what Voyager lacked was compelling characters and realistic character development. You would think that after all their years and struggles in the gamma quadrant, there would be some significant evolution of the characters but there just wasn't.
If you watch TNG, the characters evolve with time. Despite the fact that there is no over arching story, Picard isn't the same character in season 4, that he was in season 3. Data evolves, Warf evolves.
Janeway isn't one bit different at the end of the series than she was at the beginning. Neither are Chikote, Tuvak, or really any of the main characters. I'm not sure whether to blame that on the writers or the actors.
Whatever the reason, there isn't a single character in Voyager I ever cared about. They could have killed anyone on the show at anytime and I wouldn't have been moved emotionally.
That isn't true for the TNG, DS9 or even the original series. I cared about those characters in a way that I never could in Voyager.
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Sorry but I don't think I could do the characters justice in a short post. Sit down sometime and watch a first season episode and then watch one from much later in the series. Picard and Data go through the most obvious character development.
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Icky, Kirk changed very little over the three years (far more if we include the movies), but Spock changed quite a bit. McCoy less so but still noticeably.
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I think what Voyager lacked was not necessarily good character development, but good character dynamics. I've talked about this before elsewhere, but I think most people's eyes glaze over whenever I bring up Peircian semiotics.
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quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy: I think what Voyager lacked was not necessarily good character development, but good character dynamics. I've talked about this before elsewhere, but I think most people's eyes glaze over whenever I bring up Peircian semiotics.
I agree totally with this.
In just about any situation you could use Tom Paris, Chakotay, and Harry Kim interchangeably. They are essentially the same man.
I would argue that 7 of 9 definitely went through some significant character development.
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Exactly. If there's one thing TNG did right that some of the post-DS9 Trek shows didn't do so well, it was create strongly defined, powerfully different characters.
(TNG had that problem at first for a number of reasons, but once Roddenberry stopped fiddling, that show improved greatly)
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