Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney will suspend his Republican presidential campaign after a disappointing showing in this week's "Super Tuesday" primaries and caucuses, GOP sources said today. Romney is expected to announce his decision this afternoon at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, three Republican sources told CNN.
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And now, because he is "suspending", we get to become acquainted with another bit of byzantine primary minutiae.
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I'm guessing most states will give his delegates out proportionally to the people remaining in the race?
It certainly creates an interesting impression of... fluidity in the delegate count, particularly as it involves Michigan and Florida.
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Odd as it sounds, I think Obama might benefit the most from this latest casualty.
A lot of people will say this was a calculated business decision, but I think Romney is motivated by a desire to unite the party again. or at least stop some of the in-fighting.
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Yeah, Lisa, I guess he wins Nevada now! Come to think of it, most of the Romney supporters I know well will probably flock to Paul.
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Withdrawing means you take your ball and go home. Suspending means you leave the ball and go home. Each state decides what to do with Romney's delegates.
It will be most interesting to see what the winner take all states do with his things.
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Do you think Romney may attempt to get in as McCain's running mate, or is there too much animosity there?
I admit, I haven't been keeping track of the GOP race that much, so that could be a really stupid question.
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It's kind of up to McCain, but such a move would do a lot to resolve the corner that the conservative media have painted themselves into.
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quote:Originally posted by pooka: Yeah, Lisa, I guess he wins Nevada now! Come to think of it, most of the Romney supporters I know well will probably flock to Paul.
I think I will swing my support to McCain. Of course, my ambivalence between McCain, Clinton and Obama is enough that, given the right running mate/campaign, I could vote for any of them in the general.
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Well, crap. I don't know who to vote for now. I mean, I've been centering my attention on Romney for most of the campaigning, and I don't really know what the other candidates' policies are. My bad.
Time for some serious researching...
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It's interesting, though. McCain is known widely as a RINO (Republican In Name Only). I suspect quite a lot of former Romney supporters may swing their vote to Ron Paul now.
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Well it could mean that Independents or Republicans who would have voted in Republican primaries will conclude that race is over, and so instead vote in the open Democratic primaries. I would think those people would favor Obama over Hilary.
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Well it could mean that Independents or Republicans who would have voted in Republican primaries will conclude that race is over, and so instead vote in the open Democratic primaries. I would think those people would favor Obama over Hilary.
These are my feelings exactly.
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It should also be noted that polls have pretty consistently shown that Clinton would lose to McCain, but that Obama would beat McCain, as of late. So, I'd think that knowing McCain is the likely candidate would make that another factor in Obama's favor.
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He's making me cry. He did not say "I endorse McCain" but he is the only Republican he mentioned, and emphasized the war on Terror and that McCain would do that.
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Wyoming is a big question mark. It was winner take all and everyone who had votes is now out of the race (Romney, Thompson, Hunter, plus 3 uncommitted). 9 delegates, but still.
I'm so sad.
I don't know what to do with these numbers. I have each state that awarded Romney delegates. I have the number of delegates awarded, and I have the percentages won by McCain, Huckabee and Paul.
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quote:"If I fight on in my campaign, all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Senator Clinton or Obama would win. And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign, be a part of aiding a surrender to terror,"
:shakes fist:
This type of language is precisely why I will not support the GOP this election.
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Gosh, you could have at least talked about how attractive he was. That's the courtesy we extended John Edwards.
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quote:Originally posted by pooka: Withdrawing means you take your ball and go home. Suspending means you leave the ball and go home. Each state decides what to do with Romney's delegates.
It will be most interesting to see what the winner take all states do with his things.
That is all true on the Republican side of the coin. For Democrats, John Edwards, who also suspended his campaign will still keep all his delegates that he has won so far and any he wins subsequentially.
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quote::shakes fist: This type of language is precisely why I will not support the GOP this election.
Were you being facetious? If not, I hope you realize that both Obama and Clinton say they favor a withdrawal schedule from Iraq. Their language of getting out is equally as strong as the Republican talk of staying in.
And I say this as somebody who likes Obama alot, and will likely vote for him now if he gets the nomination.
edit: I think it would help the Democrats if they could frequently discuss what they are going to do after they pull troops out. I like Obama better because he talks about getting the Iraqi government to step up, while Clinton says things like, "I'll have them all out in 90 days."
For many conservatives they hear this talk of, pulling out and then nothing is discussed concerning, "What then?" So they just think about the worst case scenario and think the Democrats are going to pull us our of Iraq and then just hope the terrorists go away.
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quote:"In this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign be a part of aiding a surrender to terror."
Pardon?
--j_k
My parents believe that if a Democrat gets elected to office this country will become a safe haven for terrorists and we will all die at the hands of Islam.
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quote:And I say this as somebody who likes Obama alot, and will likely vote for him now if he gets the nomination.
This is what I meant by Romney's departure helping Obama, directly, and not in the way that hurting McCain helps the Wahabists.
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quote:Originally posted by Scott R: This type of language is precisely why I will not support the GOP this election.
Not that I would've supported the GOP in any case, but it's that kind of language that I find most infuriating in political discourse. And I find it even more disheartening that it's a type of language that tends to work on a large number of people.
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I don't know that a withdrawal schedule helps the terrorists. That's a logical leap I'm not willing to make just yet.
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quote:Originally posted by Scott R: I don't know that a withdrawal schedule helps the terrorists. That's a logical leap I'm not willing to make just yet.
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How long would you have stayed in 7th grade if you didn't know it was going to end?
Okay, my guesstimates which are just kind of eyeball proportions on what happens to Romney's delegates: McCain gets 165 delegates, Huckabee gets 64 and Paul gets 48. This does not included WY, though I rather suspect they will wind up with McCain when all is said and done I also assumed Utah's 36 would stay in a bloc going to McCain, though he only got 5% of the vote. Spreadsheet The second sheet shows percentages taken from CNN.
quote:Originally posted by Scott R: From the AP article:
quote:"If I fight on in my campaign, all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Senator Clinton or Obama would win. And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign, be a part of aiding a surrender to terror,"
:shakes fist:
This type of language is precisely why I will not support the GOP this election.
Ron Paul is a GOP candidate who disagrees.
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quote:"If I fight on in my campaign, all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Senator Clinton or Obama would win. And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign, be a part of aiding a surrender to terror."
So, what a jackass quote there. It's like he wanted to make sure he wasn't too missed when he left.
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quote:Were you being facetious? If not, I hope you realize that both Obama and Clinton say they favor a withdrawal schedule from Iraq. Their language of getting out is equally as strong as the Republican talk of staying in.
The problem with the language Romney used is that he seems to be equating the democratic process with aiding terrorism.
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quote:Originally posted by pooka: How long would you have stayed in 7th grade if you didn't know it was going to end?
As somebody who had to go back to 1st grade while in 2nd grade I'd say I had my doubts that school would ever end.
Now I am almost 26, and there is still no end in sight for school, but I am still glad I made the investment.
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quote:Were you being facetious? If not, I hope you realize that both Obama and Clinton say they favor a withdrawal schedule from Iraq. Their language of getting out is equally as strong as the Republican talk of staying in.
The problem with the language Romney used is that he seems to be equating the democratic process with aiding terrorism.
No, he like many Republicans think the Democrats are going to be too soft on terrorism especially if Clinton is elected. So helping the Democrats win in 08 to many of them is like a vote for Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain of "appeasment" fame.
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And the mighty plastic sword of Godwin falls...
Now what was important about this speech is it reframes people who are already conservative as to what's important, rather than being charmed by Huckabee and his Amway taglines.
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I am so glad this is not a website where those last few posts would actually be serious.
I believe I've seen kinds like that. That's why I'm here, not there, and am enjoying the joking atmosphere.
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