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...Why? Most of the reviews I read about the movie are negative, a lot of Star Trek fans didn't like it, and it flopped.
Which is why I don't understand why it's one of my favorite Star Trek movies, along with all the other even-numbered ones. Generations was okay and Insurrection was dull. I enjoyed the Search for Spock enough, too. But Nemesis is in my top 3 favorite ST movies, along with Undiscovered Country and First Contact.
I know Nemesis was a rehash of the Wrath of Khan, but since that was such a great show, that can't be too bad of a thing. I think Nemesis is underrated.
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There is the transparent way they kill off Data while conveniently leaving a way for Brent Spiner to come back. (Not that I mind, I've alwasy lusted after him) But as a plot device, it was stupid.
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If Picard and the bad guy both went to high school I am pretty sure the bad guy would have more dates.
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I enjoyed Nemesis. Insurrection was my favorite of the Next Gen movies though. Of course I feel rather alone in that sentiment.
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quote:Originally posted by Stephan: I enjoyed Nemesis. Insurrection was my favorite of the Next Gen movies though. Of course I feel rather alone in that sentiment.
As you should be! Every other person who liked that movie seems to have disappeared some have spotted small basketball shaped flying robots hovering next to people before they inexplicably disappear.
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I just think that Riker isn't a good match for Troi, and neither is Worf. Of the rest of the crew, Bev Crusher seems the most sympatico.
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quote:Originally posted by romanylass: ***SPOILERS***
There is the transparent way they kill off Data while conveniently leaving a way for Brent Spiner to come back. (Not that I mind, I've alwasy lusted after him) But as a plot device, it was stupid.
Yes, leaving an out for Data to live was a bit lame, though I doubt they will bring him back to play Data again given his skin just sags way too much. But then again, we are talking about Star Trek...
But this wasn't enough to dampen the entire movie much for me.
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quote:Originally posted by Stephan: I enjoyed Nemesis. Insurrection was my favorite of the Next Gen movies though. Of course I feel rather alone in that sentiment.
As you should be! Every other person who liked that movie seems to have disappeared some have spotted small basketball shaped flying robots hovering next to people before they inexplicably disappear.
Heh,
It just seemed the most original of the Next Gen films. Vengeance, time travel, and borg themes have just been over played a little in my opinion.
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As far as I'm concerned, Generations is the only Star Trek movie worth watching. Heroic-Picard-bouldering, endless talking, Kirk dying.... what more could you ask for? Posts: 1681 | Registered: Jun 2004
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quote:Originally posted by Stephan: I enjoyed Nemesis. Insurrection was my favorite of the Next Gen movies though. Of course I feel rather alone in that sentiment.
I enjoyed Insurrection, I thought I was alone on that too. Generations is my favorite (I think I'm alone on that one though). As for Nemesis the bad guy is cool but they just talk too much in the movie, have a battle at the end and thats it...
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Zeugma, I would rate Star Trek IV, The Journey Home (a.k.a. "Save the Whales,"), as my all-time favorite. And what about Star Trek XIII: First Contact? I like the time travel themes.
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Ooh Ron, you're right, I did like the one with the whales a lot. I never got into First Contact, though, the whole deal with the drunk inventor guy felt way too campy.
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I'm intrigued by the fact that, of all the men in the ST:TNG/DS9 crew, Worf is the one who ends up being the ladies' man and the one who hooked up with most other regulars.
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mph, I kind of bought it, but only if I stomped on my inner voice screaming "Imzadi!" really, really hard. Worf and Jadzia just worked, no inner-voice-stifling required.
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Why can I remember the name of a fictitious character on a show I haven't watched in years, but not recall the name of the person I spent 30 minutes on the phone with on Tuesday?
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It is true that I don't take most real people to bed. Once a week, every week, for weeks or months.
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Ill be honest Pixiest/Rivka, I think I do not grasp what on earth you two are now talking about and I am going to just leave it alone.
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About the Khan/nemesis connection, here's my issue with that: Khan makes Kirk ANGRY. REALLY REALLY PISSED. Picard seems to go through most of Nemesis in a sleepy haze- he's neither particularly invested, nor at all interested in his "nemesis." Plus the plot is STUPID AS HECK. Let's see... an evil picard clone wants to go to earth and kill everyone... OK. Never heard that one before! There were no interesting side-plots, and even the Data story with B4 was like something out of a lame episode of TNG. The whole thing was phoned in, predictable, dull and stupid. Now that I'm thinking a little more about it, the fact that they were trying to connect it with Kahn (especially with the death of Data as a sacrifice for Picard) is a little insulting. Brent Spiner probably doesn't want to keep working on Trek because he thinks it's idiotic.
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And don't think, writers, that we don't notice that Picard TRIES to sacrifice himself in EVERY SINGLE movie, only to be saved at the last second. This is pretty lame.
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It is my understanding that Spiner was concerned with the fact that Data should not gain weight or show age. It was not idiotic it was just becoming irreconcilable with the character. As for phoning it in, I went to the theater to watch another movie and the first I saw of Nemesis was when I arrived and decided to watch it, no buzz, no trailers nothing. What was the studio thinking.
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