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Oddly enough, the one thing that confuses me is Mikhail. Is he "The Others" version of Locke? He's been killed twice, and survived, no matter how many times he gets killed, he lives. It's ridiculous. Last night, from what I could tell, Desmond sent a harpoon through his heart, and yet he's good to go and swimming and playing suicide bomber (no doubt he survived it) a few minutes later after losing pint after pint of blood. That to me is insane.
I'm also confused by the writers suggesting an alternate earth/sliders type of reality is not the answer because it's hard to imagine why they'd shut down topics of conversation, and hard to imagine this couldn't be an angle. I hope they don't paint themselves into a corner like the X-Files did, and then finish the series off with absurdist run of the mill nonsense.
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I don't have zoom capeabilities, but I do have a largish HDTV and a pause on my DVR that goes forward one frame when you hit the pause while it is paused. I was unable to make out a name, but I think that the first name might start with a J. I'm not positive about that. I am positive that the headline of the article was something like "Man found dead" so I am confident that the person in the coffin is male. I suspect that it might be John Locke, but then maybe it is someone that we haven't eve met yet. I still have it recorded and can look at it again after work.
The whole thing about Jack's father has me wondering about something. Did we ever actually see Jack's father's body? For that matter, did Jack ever actually see it? I seem to remember an empty coffin being found with other luggage back in season one I think in the same episode where Jack saw Jacob manifest as him. Does Jacob only manifest as dead people or does he manifest as people familiar and important to those he wishes to see him? We know he manifested as Walt to Boon's sister just before she was killed; we know Walt was alive at that point. I'm certain that he manifested as Walt when he appeared to Locke in this episode though we don't know at this point if Walt and Michael are still alive or not. I'm assuming, of course, that it is Jacob that manifests as these people.
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I imagine that they shut off that particular angle because it is so easy and convincing of an angle that no other angles whould get much discussion.
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Just watched it there and OMG. I <3 Lost waaaayyyy too much. When the writers were talking about a game changer I didnt think they actually meant they would change everything!
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I think Charlie didn't swim out (or close the door with him on the other side of it) because he really believed Desmond when he said that if Charlie didn't die like that, then Claire and Aaron (and the other Losties) would not be rescued.
He was also the real hero as opposed to the dark anti-heroes of Jack (beating up Ben and threatening death) and Sawyer (killing the guy when he had given up). I suspect Charlie's death and Eko's deaths are related to the island mythology somehow as they both had come to terms with themselves and their pasts and were able to go (somewhat) peacefully.
This episode was definitely better than what was happening in the beginning of this season. Having that pre-set finish date definitely helped, methinks.
Now, I am just hating the fact that I have to wait 7 months for the next season to start!
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Yeah, so who the heck is ...antham? I checked IMDb and none of the characters have a last name that ends in antham. Maybe whoever's in the casket is someone we haven't even met yet.
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Jeremy Bentham is another philosopher contemporary to John Locke. Just throwing it out there.
Edit. Actually I am wrong. John Locke was an influence on Jeremy Bentham, but Bentham was born about 44 years after Locke died.
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quote:And the writers aren't clumsy enough to have all the stuff about Jack's father be an accident. I don't think Jack forgot his father's death in a moment of stupor, and I don't think he just cribbed his father's prescription pad. Something weird is going on here.
I don't think he was speaking figuratively about being "more drunk than his dad."
When Eko had to investigate the "death" and "miraculous" recovery of a teenage girl in Australia, it turned out that the medical examiner had done the examination wrong, and the girl was in a coma.
Suppose the same ME looked at Christian Shephard. The incompetence could easily go to more than one case, and that ME could have mis-diagnosed him. The ME said that Christian had died of heart failure caused by alcohol poisoning. I don't remember an autopsy being done.
Christian may have been on the edge of death, but not dead, and when he arrived on the island, was healed by it. We never saw Christian's body, and one time when he appeared to Jack, he was wearing tennis shoes! If he was a vision, why would he need to wear those? Jack most likely would have imagined him in a full business suit.
We never got to know Christian except through Jack's eyes (except when he met Sawyer in the bar). He may have the same specialness that Walt does, and this was never revealed because there was never a complete character development, yet.
February. Sheesh. I guess I'll have to become obsessed with The Simpsons again.
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quote:Originally posted by Strider: I don't think even they expected so many people to misinterpret it after the reveal had been made.
Again, it's never seemed like the writers were that lazy or clumsy in the past. If they bring Jack's dad up twice, it's probably for a reason other than to throw off the viewers. An alternate timeline is hardly the only possibility.
I guess we'll see.
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"But an alternate timeline would be akin to an alternate universe, and the writers have said that's not what's happening"
I am starting to think of this a bit like The Time Traveler's Wife now.
The time traveled does not exceed the life spans of the characters by much either way. It would explain the non-aging of that one Other. It would help the writers to get Walt back on, who will be much older than he is supposed to be.
Maybe the characters "heal" because their bodies flip back and forth between times. This would have something to do with the babies dying at seven months, somehow(though I am not sure how)
Really, though, my head still hurts.
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The one thing I would like to know is why they would ruin the ability to suspend one's disbelief about the beach executions by showing them alive and tied up, at day time in the preview 8 days ago? When they included that in the preview, we were all tipped off that the shooting, overheard on the walkie talkie by Jack and Ben, was faked. That bummed me out plenty.
And yes, why was Jack doing a really bad impression of The Dude in the future? He just wasn't nearly as funny as "his dudeness".
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quote:When Eko had to investigate the "death" and "miraculous" recovery of a teenage girl in Australia, it turned out that the medical examiner had done the examination wrong, and the girl was in a coma.
well, something interest in regards to that is that the chick actually had a real vision of Eko's brother. So isn't it up in the air what actually happened to her.
And here is all I'll say about the Jack's dad dispute. IF Jack's dad IS alive, it's not in an alternate time line or reality. It would be in the normal time line of the show, however far along in the future we were seeing Jack. And his living would somehow be explained through the natural course of events that happened. While I personally don't believe he's alive, I'll grant the possibility that the show could find some ingenious way to bring him back to life. I just thoroughly dispute any alternate reality/course of events talk.
Great find DavidR, it fits perfectly with the abundant use of philosopher names.
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quote:Originally posted by graywolfe: The one thing I would like to know is why they would ruin the ability to suspend one's disbelief about the beach executions by showing them alive and tied up, at day time in the preview 8 days ago? When they included that in the preview, we were all tipped off that the shooting, overheard on the walkie talkie by Jack and Ben, was faked. That bummed me out plenty.
This kind of thing is why my wife and I fight kicking and screaming to avoid viewing the ham-handed "previews" the stations concoct.
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The writers have reapetedly said that, and I quote, "For the (insert huge number here) time Christian Shepard IS DEAD!"
As for the Losties keeping the island a secret, I just dont know. But Jack did say to Kate at the end someting like "Ive been flying with the gold passes they gave us". Sounds like Oceanic must have given them some sort of compensation. Plus how would the Losties have explained where they were and how they were alive without telling people about the island since the discovery of Flight 815 at the bottom of the ocean was obviously faked.
And I just realised that the 'Jo...' of the article may have been 'Ja...' as in James Ford AKA Sawyer. As to Kates reaction I can only assume that Kate and James may have fallen out post-island.
By the way I think all this alternate reality stuff is nonsense. It just doesnt fit with the mythos of the show.
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Oh my lord! I just made a really long post and then hit Go instead of Add Reply!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK, the .long and the short of it is, I think they are borrowing from The Time Traveler's Wife.
Desmond and Henry: long hair, lovable rogues, hopelessly in love with a woman.
Desmond wakse up naked in the forest. Desmond sees, but cannot change, the future. Desmond clings to Penny as more than just a lover, almost as an anchor, as Henry does with Clare. Maybe the dreams are not dreams at all, but he is really there with Penny in the past, but is then whisked away.
Both men drink a lot. Both men are incredibly sexy.
Henry could bot control his travel, and Desmond can;t either, but maybe Jacob can. And maybe they have him contained becasue of this. Maybe it is an illness, as it is in TTTW, and the island emits some sort of time travel sickness, but the people who can control it, tend to stay on the island.
OK, I'm going farther off the base, but I don't think I'm too far off, especially because the novel was popular at the ime the writers would have been creating these episodes, and there was a different turning of the plot this year.
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One thing that doesn't make sense is the "its not penny's boat" thing. What was the point if Desmond didn't use it. For them to make a point out of it seems to be strange. Who exactly is Naomi, and why did she pretend to be from Penny?
If the rescue group was able to find the island to rescue the losties, why couldn't they take Jack back?
I don't like the fact that Jack is a mess, and he doesn't end up with Kate.
Though, I do wonder if it is possible that the flash forward isn't a real flash...but a possibility (maybe it is a Desmond flash or something).
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quote:One thing that doesn't make sense is the "its not penny's boat" thing. What was the point if Desmond didn't use it. For them to make a point out of it seems to be strange. Who exactly is Naomi, and why did she pretend to be from Penny?
Well, I think Penny is being watched by someone else also trying to locate the island for their own purposes. they sent the boat and naomi and her cover story to find people and radio back with the coordinates. Charlie tried to warn Desmond, but the question still remains what desmond does with that information and what happens when he relays it to the other losties. We still know absolutely nothing about what happens from the time the call is made, to when we see jack off the island. I'm sure a lot went on.
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quote:Originally posted by DavidR: Jeremy Bentham is another philosopher contemporary to John Locke. Just throwing it out there.
Edit. Actually I am wrong. John Locke was an influence on Jeremy Bentham, but Bentham was born about 44 years after Locke died.
This is exactly what I thought when I read it. I think the person who died is a character we don't know yet.
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By the way I think all this alternate reality stuff is nonsense. It just doesnt fit with the mythos of the show.
How does one explain Desmond being able to jump forward and backward in time? One of the reasons I buy into the idea of something complicated and perverse like that is that Desmond is clearly doing things that are as far as we can tell, for now, essentially impossible. How do we explain the aspects of the Island and Desmond himself? My terror remains some half-baked, moronic explanation like that used in the X-Files to explain what happened to Mulder's sister. They've opened far too many "Twilight Zone" cans of mystery for there to be such a banal, and tedious conclusion as that future perspective shown of Jack and Kate.
I expect something fantastical and interesting. Anything less and I'll be quite disappointed. It doesn't have to be an alternate reality, but it certainly has to be in some sense magical, or far beyond our current understanding.
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It had to be a flashforward and not a flashback. How could Jack flashback to stuff he didn't know about, like what went on at the beach or Benry's reaction to finding out that Juliet betrayed him?
No, I think the troubled look on his face as he was on his way to the tower was because he was having those disturbing flashforwards. I don't think they're actually off the island yet.
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I prefer to think that Locke was flash-forwarding... that'd help explain his virulent attempt to stop Naomi and then Jack.
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I did not. I remembered the Dharma stamped shark when the girl was shown floating in the water (with blood) and I expected the shark to come any minute.
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quote:How does one explain Desmond being able to jump forward and backward in time?
I don't think he does. Are you talking about the episode where he finds himself reliving the past? I'm pretty sure that's just one big island induced hallucination. And his premonitions are just an afteraffect or result of his interaction with the island after turning the failsafe. He's been embued with part of the power that the island(Jacob) has.
quote:t had to be a flashforward and not a flashback. How could Jack flashback to stuff he didn't know about, like what went on at the beach or Benry's reaction to finding out that Juliet betrayed him?
No, I think the troubled look on his face as he was on his way to the tower was because he was having those disturbing flashforwards. I don't think they're actually off the island yet.
Lisa, I think you're looking at the flashbacks the wrong way, it's the same way I used to view them. As actual physical flashbacks/memories the character was having at the moment. I don't think that's true anymore. We call them flashbacks, but I think it's really just the show using a convenient method to show us the history of a character.
Unless you think the scenes of Jack in the future can be course corrected and that it was truly just a vision(i would disagree with this) then it doesn't really matter whether you want to call it a flashforward and the 'present' is still them on the island, or that future jack is the 'present' and the island scenes were past. If you look at it from a perspective outside of time, events A happen and events Z happen. I just want to know what happens in between, the semantics of calling it a flashback or a flashforward aren't important to me(this isn't to say the scenes of future jack are the end of the timeline of the show, just the end of the timeline we've been shown so far).
Also, I've been thinking, if Charlie died for nothing I'm going to be really upset. I hope the information he gave Desmond helps in some way.
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So, here's my two cents (okay, so more like 20):
I think Ben is right (unfortunately) about Naomi being a bad guy. As evil as that man is, he knows a LOT about the island. He must have had a good reason to block the signal and keep them all on the island, rather than his own sick pleasure. There's something larger that we don't understand. I think that Lock possibly knows more about it after the island came to him through Walt. There's more than just a need to stay on the island.
Charlie had to die in order to get them rescued. But notice that Desmond never saw Claire and Aaron actually safe on the mainland. All he saw was them getting into a helicopter. I think it's more ominous than that. Maybe Naomi's group is just as interested in the whole pregnant woman thing as Ben is.
Locke is awesome. That's all I have to say about that.
I think the person in the coffin was either Ben or someone we haven't met yet. I don't think it was Locke. It could be, but I just have this feeling that it's not, even though the newspaper article doesn't support my theory. As much as they hate Locke now, I feel that at least one person would go to his funeral, as opposed to Ben, who everyone hated.
The characters aren't actually having a flash forward. They are merely an insight for the viewer as to what happens next. They are an amazing development though, as it makes you question all the other flashbacks we have ever seen, wondering if they are really flash forwards. Also it implies that for all the craziness that goes on on the island, there's something magically good about it, at least for Jack, and he never quite regains his former self after being changed by the island.
I was actually surprised that neither of the two women in the Looking Glass was Annie. I was so sure that one of them had to be, especially after Ben's flashbacks.
I forget if someone mentioned this, but the two people who have actually had the island talk to them (Eko and Locke) are in some ways the noblest. I think the island has a way of looking into one's character and determining their moral standing. I think that's part of why Jacob hates Ben so much. He's just so corrupt and evil that he needs to get rid of him, but is trapped by that sand barrier or whatever, and so needs Locke's help in order to escape.
I think that Desmond believed what Charlie wrote on his hand. Otherwise I would think so much less of him. I think he believes that Charlie's last act in this world wasn't going to be betraying his friends. Desmond is going to have a hard time convincing the others, unless he comes too late and they're already in mortal peril from Naomi's people.
I think Mikail is a lot like Locke. He has some sort of commune with the island. In fact, I think he's a kind of evil mirror of Locke. I mean, look at how many times that man has been "killed." We haven't seen the last of him. Mark my words.
Also, as a side note, from the Greatest Hits episode, did anyone notice that the woman Charlie saved was the same woman that Sayid tortured and whose husband tortured him in return. She was the woman with the acid stains. I had always meant to say something, but I kept forgetting.
Edit to add: I agree with almost everything Strider said in the post above me. They're not flashes, merely different parts of the story that we have to piece together.
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Evie I agree with you about Naomi being bad. Theres something up with her and the boat. Im not even entirely convinced that the boat they got in contact with actually rescued them. They were certainly rescued Im just not sure by who.
Oh and it wasnt the acid hands girl in the Charlie episode it was Nadia. She was the prisoner that Sayid fell in love with at a detention facility in Iraq and let go.
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Now... Here are my predictions for what will happen next:
Jack and gang will be rescued from the island. Their rescuers will be members of the Dharma Initiative, who have been searching for the island ever since all their workers on the island were killed - and for whatever reason could never find it. It will be revealed that the Others have been hiding the island from the Dharma Initiative for all those years. Ben's Annie will be a leader of the Dharma people. They hate eachother - both Dharma and the Others consider the other side to be "the bad guys". It is science/technology vs. mysticism/faith, more or less.
Desmond will return to Sayid, Hurley, etc. with the news that the ship was not Penny's. Sayid, always suspicious, will conclude they have been tricked, so they will hide from the rescuers. They will end up staying on the island.
Locke will also remain on the island, and will eventually meet up with Desmond, Sayid, etc. They will all meet Jacob, who will reveal to them more about the island's history. Jacob will reveal that Dharma is trying to misuse the island for their own ends, in the name of science. Together, this group will work to circumvent the Dharma people who have returned to the island. Walt will be helping too, although he may or may not actually be on the island (maybe he is captured by the Dharma folks, but is using his bizarre ability to appear to others to communicate with those on the island.) They will be the protectors of the island for season 4.
Meanwhile, there will be flash forwards to the Losties who left the island. They are told to speak nothing about their experiences on the island (hence Jack has to tell lies), and are threatened with death if they do. (Perhaps the death that shakes Jack up is caused by someone trying to tell the truth about the island) They are also given generous rewards (including Jack's gold pass.) A fake story is contrived about how Jack saved them all. Nevertheless, Jack is eventually contacted by Penny, who is still searching for Desmond. Penny and Jack bring some of the other main characters back together and they eventually return to the island - bringing a final confrontation with the Dharma people.
How's that for some more random speculation?
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Well, to stick with the stealing-from-the-Time-Traveler's-Wife theme I am on, every time Henry traveled, he knew a little bit more about his past and his future each time.
It all depended "when" he was coming from. But it was never an alternate reality. It was never an alternate timeline. it was one reality, one timeline, and he traleled along it.
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I like that, Xaposert. The only problem I have with this is I think that Annie was killed in the purge. If she was unwilling to leave Dharma, then he would do it. Everything he does, he does for the island.
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I did not. I remembered the Dharma stamped shark when the girl was shown floating in the water (with blood) and I expected the shark to come any minute.
I meant the one that got jumped. I was joking. I will probably watch some of next season, but I think I've trusted them long enough. I really thought they were pulling it together at the end of this season, but I'm now convinced that they're really LOST.
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Do you really want everything wrapped up neatly in one or two episodes? I don't. That would be incredibly boring, and that is also when the show would truly "jump."
IMHO, I hope we keep getting mystified for the next three seasons, as long as the stories are good.
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I agree with The Reader. If everything was resolved in 2 hours, I would feel incredibly gypped. I like the mystery. It makes things interesting. They said everything would change, and it did. All I can do is wait in anticipation for February.
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quote:Originally posted by The Reader: Originally posted by Xaposert:
quote:The good news is nobody nuked the island.
Not yet anyway.
I like that, Xaposert. The only problem I have with this is I think that Annie was killed in the purge. If she was unwilling to leave Dharma, then he would do it. Everything he does, he does for the island.
They showed Horace after the purge. I can't imagine they wouldn't have shown Annie if she'd been killed as well.
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In the recap show that came on before the finale, and was shown last week, the producers say that the remainder of the show will be like a mosaic that they will reveal a piece at a time to see the big picture. IMO, the future stuff with Jack is not a flash back or flash forward, but just another piece of that mosaic.
It reminds me of Lost Horizons, the book about Shangri La. No one can find their way to the island except by accident. No one who leaves can get back. They show jack in the future obssessed with getting back to the island now that he's off. People on the island are cured of their ills. People seemingly don't age. Those that live there consider it to be paradise.
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damien's right about the chick Charlie saves being Nadia.
quote:Evie I agree with you about Naomi being bad. Theres something up with her and the boat. Im not even entirely convinced that the boat they got in contact with actually rescued them. They were certainly rescued Im just not sure by who.
Or maybe you're looking at it the wrong way. Maybe the boat they called did take a certain amount of them off the island. but forceably, so we can't exactly call it a "rescue".
quote:How's that for some more random speculation?
Tres, I like most of it and have thought pretty much along the same lines. The only thing I'm not on board with is what you say at the beginning about Dharma vs. The Others. Not that I think you're wrong, I'm just not sure you're right. decent theory though.
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LOL! I didn't want a neat little package, nor expect one. And I'm willing to give them a couple shows next season to remind me of their brilliance. I've been a big LOST apologist up until now, through the odd turns it has taken thus far. But *shrug* I called that the X-files mythology was being pulled from someone's nether regions by the end of season 3 when most everyone still believed that show's creator had a master plan.
Now, with this show I'm willing to agree that they have a plan, but I will be mildly surprised if it isn't a profoundly stupid one when all is said and done.
The hubby was ready to pack it in after the first bit of this season, and I made him keep watching with me. It's still fun. But my high hopes for something really amazing and cool out of a TV show... Meh.
I enjoyed the finale. I think I'd like to see them kill Jack's whiny butt in the next season, or something really unexpected.
So, I have hope that it won't become something I don't want to watch. I just don't care much one way or another.
The shark thing was a joke. No need to het up about it. It would be cool if I still cared enough to mind one way or another, but I don't.*shrug*
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A gal on another site posted this about the obit - I'm not sure where she got it though so I can't vouch for its accuracy but thought I'd share it anyway...
"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue. Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft. Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room. According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son. Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."
I wonder if the "flash forwards" are pieces from the final season?
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Well the only current Lostie who would fit that description (that of having a teenaged son) would be Michael. So maybe he and Walt changed their names after returning to the real world?
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It would explain why Kate was so appalled that Jack would even suggest that she'd go to his funeral.
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Wendybird I think that what you posted is right after looking at both it and the picture of the obit.
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quote:Originally posted by stihl1: It reminds me of Lost Horizons, the book about Shangri La. No one can find their way to the island except by accident. No one who leaves can get back. They show jack in the future obssessed with getting back to the island now that he's off. People on the island are cured of their ills. People seemingly don't age. Those that live there consider it to be paradise.
This season surely had some stuff in it that seemed to be lifted right out of Lost Horizons.
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quote:Originally posted by Leonide: Well the only current Lostie who would fit that description (that of having a teenaged son) would be Michael. So maybe he and Walt changed their names after returning to the real world?
Maybe. Michael would have had to do something to hide where he came from once he left the island. He couldn't tell people that he killed Anna-Lucia and Libby so he could leave.
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Sigh. Whine alert! + + + + Sometimes I feel no one hears a thing I say. Shangri-la was a novel based on a legend myth of a place called Shambhala. "On the Road to Shambhala" played when Hurley drove the VW bus down the mountain. That episode was tossed of as a "fun" one, but I think it was a very important piece of the puzzle.
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" “As for the measurements and description of the Land of Shambhala,” as one Tibetan commentator notes, ”its appearance varies according to one’s own karma. For example, one and the same river will be seen by gods as nectar, by man as water, by hungry ghosts as pus and blood, and by some animals as a place to live in. Therefore, it is difficult to say specifically what anything is.” It is possible, however, to give a “description of Shambhala, established by the collective karma of sentient beings” and thus reported in written sources. This description of Shambhala is also depicted on thangkas of Shambhala with varying degrees of verisimilitude."
Everyone seems to experience the island based on their own past, their own karma, and the island has a way of balancing out the kharma. I do not think it is an accident that it was the "Dharma" group who started the whole thing(maybe!)"Dharma" means, very basically, the behavior one should have based on the word of Buddha. "The way," "the way to live."
Sorry to offend any Buddhists with the extreme synopsis.
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Elizabeth, I remember reading your past posts about this and thought you were really onto something. I think it's obvious the creators are drawing on this myth when creating their story. The question is, is the use of the story akin to George Lucas drawing on mythology to create Star Wars, or is it a more literal connection? Either way, good find, I meant to mention it when I first read it.
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I've been out of the loop for awhile now, so this may have already been discussed. If it has I'll go ahead and apologize.
In Locke's first flashback episode he uses a paper calculator, when the calculator starts typing it sounds alot like the black smoke noise. Any thoughts?
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quote:The Monster makes a variety of different sounds that sound both mechanical and biological. Its mechanical sounds have been described as: whirring, clanking, chattering, ratcheting, roaring, mostly like a black-billed magpie, and noises similar to releasing air pressure or dot matrix printers. Rose remarked that the sounds were familiar to her, a sound that was commented by the directors to be similar to noises heard in Bronx, NY. The sound could be, or is very similar to the sound of a receipt being printing in a NYC Taxi Cab or possibly Subway rail cars.
In the voiceover commentary for the "The 23rd Psalm" on the Season Two DVD, producer Bryan Burk confirms that the Monster's sound effect is indeed the receipt printer from a NYC taxicab. This sound effect is heard in "Walkabout" right before the first commercial when Locke punches some numbers into a counting machine. The counting machine's printing sound is the same sound the Monster makes in "Exodus, Part 2" as it flies by Kate and Jack. This was reaffirmed in the May 21, 2007 podcast, but it was clarified that the mythology of the Monster is unrelated to the cabs; it is just a matter of sound effects.
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I will probably watch some of next season, but I think I've trusted them long enough. I really thought they were pulling it together at the end of this season, but I'm now convinced that they're really LOST.
