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The butt crack of a plumber or car mechanic as they bend down to work on your toilet or car is a humorous sight. But everywhere I go I notice that girls are more and more showing off their butt cracks. Perhaps it's just carelessness. Perhaps it's some new trend. But my god...what happened to modesty?
I'm at my library right now and I notice a considerably cute using the computer next to me...but her ass is showing!
The person I answer to at work is a girl about my age who's actually married--every time she sits down her half of her ass shows. And it isn't pretty.
I'm wondering if I should walk up to these young ladies and tell them to pull up their pants. Because I'd totally tell a dude.
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quote:Originally posted by the_Somalian: I'm wondering if I should walk up to these young ladies and tell them to pull up their pants.
I would advise against that. They know what they are doing. They are even wearing cute underwear so that you can get a peek of the top of it.
It is a style I deplore, so I don't practice it. But, my advice would be, if you can't say something complementary about a lady's clothes, say nothing. And by complementary, I don't mean "Hey, nice butt!"
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We were at a grocery store and a woman with lowrise jeans was trying to get something on the bottom shelf but couldn't because the pants were exposing her already, if she bent over she'd be completely out of them.
Teres and I took a perverse glee out of watching her try to manuever around so she could reach her item without actually bending in any way.
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Uh, this trend has been here for a while (5+ years?)... In the Boston metro area, anyway. In fact they had a story _last_ year saying that newer designs were going to cover up more flesh.
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If it makes you that uncomfortable, I think you should take it to a manager (obviously not the one you are complaining about). Tell them how your coworker's dress makes you feel. If you're lucky, she's violating your company's dress code and will be told to cover up.
A girl in one of my classes told me she was fired without warning one day at her job for letting her thong show at the top of her jeans. They just pulled her aside at lunch and told her to collect her things. She still didn't know what she did wrong. I know this because I had to stare at her crack all through speech class.
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quote:Originally posted by Valentine014: If it makes you that uncomfortable, I think you should take it to a manager (obviously not the one you are complaining about). Tell them how your coworker's dress makes you feel. If you're lucky, she's violating your company's dress code and will be told to cover up.
And I disagree. If it makes you uncomfortable, avert your eyes, and mind your business. You will not be appreciated at work by ANYONE if you start making trouble about this.
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I thought they just wore things like that here in the PacNW to show off their expensive tats radiating (apparently) from their nether regions up through their entire low back.
It's to show undies?
My, the variety in fashion throughout the world.
Regardless, I can't stand the low rider thing with crack, side fat, and belly rolls hanging out. It's disgusting. Man OR Woman. Boy OR Girl.
And I'm really tired of haunting second hand stores looking for a pair of pants that fastens at the waist, not at the pubic hair line.
I hope they DO change the fashion - and soon.
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They take the dress code pretty seriously here - if you were anything remotely revealing or suggesting, you get a nice talking to. I'd say that would warrant sending them home to change.
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Well these girls don't seem to have that cute underwear. It just strikes me as more careless than anything else. Anyway, no, I wouldn't really have the guts to randomly walk up to them and say something, unless I know the girl and she didn't happen to be my boss, in which I case I'd probably tease her about it w/o being insulting.
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Meh. It's no worse than breast cleavage, which nobody complains about. And if the person in question is attractive enough that you wouldn't object to seeing them naked, then I don't see what there is to object to in a small peek of what, if I were a more chauvinistic kind of guy, I might refer to as "the goods".
And if you don't find the person attractive enough for that, well, that's purely a matter of your own personal taste, and it's not your business to tell them they can't pull off the look anyway.
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quote:Originally posted by Verily the Younger: Meh. It's no worse than breast cleavage, which nobody complains about. And if the person in question is attractive enough that you wouldn't object to seeing them naked, then I don't see what there is to object to in a small peek of what, if I were a more chauvinistic kind of guy, I might refer to as "the goods".
And if you don't find the person attractive enough for that, well, that's purely a matter of your own personal taste, and it's not your business to tell them they can't pull off the look anyway.
So you'd let you daughter go out with half her ass bared to the world, because people should do what they feel like and stuff?
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Personally, I feel this is what's destroying people's creative skills. If you don't leave something to the imagination, our brains will surely atrophy.
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But the blood flow will be shunted elsewhere. You might find that when the brain atrophies, there is an accompanying collateral growth.
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Eh. I don't think the fasion trend in and of itself is a problem. I don't have a problem with fasion trends that bare more, becuase I kinda think its silly that we have a huge societal need to cover up. The problem I have with the fasion trend is the people who tend to follow it. No offense to anyone here who follows it, but in my experience girls and guys who follow fasion trends like this tend to be airhead socialites who either don't have brains or choose not to use them for anything worthwhile. I'd be all for abolishing clothing entirely if it would make all the people who focus so much on their appearance apply that effort to things that were actually worthwhile.
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""So you'd let you daughter go out with half her ass bared to the world, because people should do what they feel like and stuff?""
As long as she was old enough to Understand how she was dressing, yes, rather than doing it to tease or because her friends were.
The body isnt something to be ashamed of; i'll never understand when the human body become something to be looked down on, clothing was originally to keep us warm, though admittedly these revealing clothes dont work for that.
And i also think people should stay out of other peoples buissness; as others have said but seems to be going completlty ignored.
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I've always thought it was a bad idea to mention anything at all about someone's clothes or appearance, unless it's to compliment them. I think the best thing is to learn as quickly as possible how to ignore things that bother you about other people's appearance.
Even if someone has spinach in their teeth or something that many people might consider kind to tell them about, I have a huge preference toward just not ever noticing those things. They aren't important. Why even see them? Then later on, even if the person finds it and cringes, they can tell themselves nobody else noticed.
If a friend showed up at my formal dinner in a frogman suit, I would hope I as the polite host would say without missing a beat, "Welcome! So good to see you! Can I hang up your mask?" Though I'm fairly sure I wouldn't be able to resist saying things like "Everyone's in the living room, just go ahead and dive on in."
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quote:Originally posted by Shan: Regardless, I can't stand the low rider thing with crack, side fat, and belly rolls hanging out. It's disgusting. Man OR Woman. Boy OR Girl.
And I'm really tired of haunting second hand stores looking for a pair of pants that fastens at the waist, not at the pubic hair line.
I totally agree with all of the above.
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I think pretty soon the girls wearing thongs and very low cut pants will regret it: the first ones can supposedly cause cancer of the nether regions , the second ones can surely cause bladder and kidneys problems
But apart from that, I think a lot of girls are actually unaware of how much they show. I mean, hipsters are ok when you stand, and when you sit with your back really straight, but if you bend forward then... "who wants to see my panties?!" Or maybe I'm mistaken and I haven't seen trousers that are that much 'showy' of which you speak
I don't like showing off too much, but I'm willing to accept the pretty butts. the owners of the not-pretty ones should think twice: it's one thing to feel good with your body, but aestheticks is quite a different matter (and knowing what suits you) Posts: 218 | Registered: Jan 2006
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Who decided butts were sexy anyway? Of all the parts of a woman's body (or a man's body for that matter) who decided that that particularly part was swoonworthy?
That being said, They should be able to show off more or less whatever they want...
quote:Originally posted by Shan: And I'm really tired of haunting second hand stores looking for a pair of pants that fastens at the waist, not at the pubic hair line.
I hope they DO change the fashion - and soon.
I hear you. So does my 13 year old daughter - who begs me to take her shopping at second-hand stores for that very reason. I don't think I've ever seen her more frustrated than when she came home yesterday from shopping with my mom. "Mom, we spent an hour in Old Navy trying to find jeans. The ones that weren't low-rider were ripped or stained. It's ridiculous. And they were expensive!"
quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: Who decided butts were sexy anyway? Of all the parts of a woman's body (or a man's body for that matter) who decided that that particularly part was swoonworthy?
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I see more than my share of panties in a day teaching 7th grade. Most of the young girls don't realize they are revealing too much and when I tell them (usually very privately), they are mortified! I know that will change as they get older but I am hoping they will be more aware of how they show their bodies.
I think if you show the goods you are telling the world that those goods are available. I am all for creative expression but if your intent is not to be a hoochie, you shouldn't dress like one.
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I know my mom has had to tell students several times, usually on cafeteria duty a male assistant principal comes up and asks her to talk to the students, often it's his own daughter.
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quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: Who decided butts were sexy anyway? Of all the parts of a woman's body (or a man's body for that matter) who decided that that particularly part was swoonworthy?
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Hmmm... hormones? Evolution? Aestethic notions? Pick the one you like most. There were days when a woman's ankle was a sexual attraction
And I'm sooo happy they finally started making NICE shoes WITHOUT very high heels!
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I don't have any problem with butts in general. But when you can see just the top of someone's crack, that's just gross. To me, the closed comparison I can think of isn't someone wearing a low cut shirt, it's someone bleching aloud in a public place; it's rude and dirty.
I wear low cut jeans because I find them more comfortable than any other kind. I don't find it especially difficult to make sure that all my parts are covered.
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Personally, I will be very sad when this trend goes away. Ultra low rise are much more flattering on me than the kind that fall at the waist.
I am psycho picky about my jeans because I'm very self-conscious of my legs, hips, butt, thighs, stomach...that whole area. So far, I've only found one brand I can wear and like. I'm trying to figure out what's different about their cut vs. others.
Edit: And I get the kind that are cut dangerously low in the front and somewhat higher in the back, to reduce crack-age.
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I find the tattoos just above the butt crack a more disturbing trend than the showing of butt cracks trend.
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There's one thing I find very good about our society as it is, the way that limits on modesty of dress are constantly being pushed back. Let me explain it by contrasting other times and cultures.
Someone mentioned that women's ankles used to be considered very sexy. That's true. It was exceedingly racy, not that long ago in our culture, for a girl to flash a bit of ankle from time to time, under her long skirts and above her slipper, as she moved about. Katherine Hepburn, several decades back, shocked the world by wearing trousers. When I was a young girl, girls were not allowed to wear pants to school, or on the school playground. When my mother was in college, they were required to wear their raincoats over their gym shorts while walking across campus between the dorm and PE classes. Of course in many cultures worldwide women are considered shocking if they show any of a number of parts of themselves from hair to forearms to a burkha opening wider than a small strip at the eyes. This varies from culture to culture.
I personally like to dress somewhat more modestly than is common in our culture now, but I don't at all mind those who push the boundaries further back. The important reason, for me, is this.
In my work, I need to wear clothes that make it possible for me to work. I need to have my forearms showing (in order not to faint in the heat) when it's very hot at the jobsite. I need to wear pants so I can crawl around under machinery, when that's necessary, or climb scaffolding, ride in lift carts, walk across mesh metal floors with people beneath me, and so on. It's also highly inappropriate for my appearance in any of these circumstances on the jobsite to be seen as the least bit sexually interesting.
Which it isn't. Mainly because our culture is saturated with images of scantily clad buxom young women, and our culture's standards of modesty are so far eroded now that the dress required for me to do my job is not (to a man of our culture) the least bit more interesting than the utter ordinary.
So I'm grateful for the young girls with their rear cleavages showing, and the words written across their nether ends, for thongs and brazilian cut bikinis, for off the shoulder shirts and bare midriffs. Because of those girls, I can wear what I like and what is most comfortable and convenient for me without seeming the least bit racy. Posts: 6246 | Registered: Aug 2004
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quote:I think if you show the goods you are telling the world that those goods are available.
I very much disagree with this quote. I'm not a big fan of low-rise jeans either, but how a woman (or man) chooses to dress does not give away her right to make decisions about her body. She is not "available" unless she chooses to be, even if she walks down the street naked.
Edit: And further, I object to a woman's body being refered to as "the goods" in this discussion. She is a person, not a commodity.
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dkw I totally 100% agree with that. The opposite idea, that girls give up their right to choose who may touch them, by wearing revealing clothing, is barbaric.
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I'm an observant Jew, so I dress modestly, by the standards of that culture: skirts (never pants) well below the knee, sleeves below the elbow, collars above the collar bone, closed shoes, nothing too tight-fitting, hair covered (because I'm married). This has advantages. If I want to be trampy and show forbidden "goods", all I need to do is roll up my sleeves. Maybe unbutton the top button of my blouse. And my husband is definitely interested when I uncover my hair for him.
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quote:I very much disagree with this quote. I'm not a big fan of low-rise jeans either, but how a woman (or man) chooses to dress does not give away her right to make decisions about her body. She is not "available" unless she chooses to be, even if she walks down the street naked.
Dave Chapelle said all that I think needs to be said about this. We both agree with you that a woman obviously has the right to her own body. But it's pretty ridiculous for a guy to dress up as a cop and wander down the street, only to tell people who come up to him requiring police assistance, "Oh, I'm just wearing the uniform."
If you're wearing a hooker's uniform...
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quote:I'm an observant Jew, so I dress modestly, by the standards of that culture: skirts (never pants) well below the knee, sleeves below the elbow, collars above the collar bone, closed shoes, nothing too tight-fitting, hair covered (because I'm married). This has advantages. If I want to be trampy and show forbidden "goods", all I need to do is roll up my sleeves. Maybe unbutton the top button of my blouse. And my husband is definitely interested when I uncover my hair for him.
So how do you keep him from passing out when you show him your chicken breasts?
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That might apply if hookers actually had uniforms.
If I go out in a suit am I pretending to be a lawyer? Or a plainclothes detective? Or a Mormon missionary?
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quote:If I go out in a suit am I pretending to be a lawyer? Or a plainclothes detective? Or a Mormon missionary?
If you go out in a nice suit, should you be surprised if someone mistakes you for a lawyer? No. If you go out in slacks, a short sleeve white shirt, a tie and a name tag that says "Elder dkw" and someone mistakes you for a Mormon Missionary, should you be surprised? No. If you go out wearing something that shows your butt crack, 3" of cleavage, midriff and stiletto heels and men approach you, should you be surprised? No.
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quote:you are telling the world that those goods are available
Well, maybe you don't know what you're doing but just following trends.
If you do know what you're doing, then you still reserve the right to choose to whom you make those goods available. And of course you reserve the right to change your mind...
But you're a skank either way.
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I think of it the same way I think of rape. A woman never deserves to be raped. But if you walk down a dark alley in a bad neighborhood by yourself at night with no one around and a cluster of rough looking guys leering at you, do you honestly think anyone's going to be surprised if it happens?
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Surprised? Maybe not. Outraged? Yes, I would expect people to be outraged.
And I would disagree with anyone who said that by walking in a certain place or at a certain time any woman was "asking for it." There are women living in most "bad neighborhoods," you know. And sometimes they choose to be out of their houses after dark.
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quote:Surprised? Maybe not. Outraged? Yes, I would expect people to be outraged.
And I would disagree with anyone who said that by walking in a certain place or at a certain time any woman was "asking for it." There are women living in most "bad neighborhoods," you know. And sometimes they choose to be out of their houses after dark.
Ugh. I specifically avoided the phrase "asking for it" because a woman is NEVER "asking for it." I firmly believe that rape victims are almost never at fault for what happened.
And yes, I would be outraged, and sad, but never surprised. The same way I will never, ever be surprised if a girl wearing something that shows her butt crack, 3" of cleavage, midriff and stiletto heels gets harassed at a club, or cat-called walking down the street, or gets stares and inappropriate comments wherever she is.
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I can't believe you are even comparing these two things. But even more, I can't believe you are placing the woman in both situations at fault for what the man does. Are you saying that men just can't control themselves when they see certain parts of a woman's anatomy, so it's the woman's responsibility to act a certain way if she doesn't want to be harassed? Or maybe that the men are stupid enough to think that a woman dressed that way is giving them permission to comment on her body? Regardless of how the woman is dressed, the man's actions are not acceptable. But the woman has to just accept that if she's dressed that way that's what's going to happen?
That view is not very flattering to men, you know.
And if rape victims are "almost never at fault for what happened," when exactly are they at fault?
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skillery, glad to see you're as judgmental as ever.
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