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Why do people hate her? I'm not in love with her, but she provokes the strongest emotions. She was a good student, good mother, a good First Lady, a good senator, and she didn't even divorce of lecherous husband, which makes me think that she is a better wife than he deserves. She isn't demure, but neither are any of the neocons. I'm not pushing her for president, mind you, but whence all of these strong feelings?
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I can answer that, she took the honor guard of Marines that are put at the disposal of the President and had them serve tid-bits to democrat donors. I hope they do run her, we won't have the W and we will need a Democrat we can beat!
Oh By the way I am Jimmy, X-Marine MP and old goat, I like Cards books and just thought I would post on this topic since I have an opinion. Looks like a pretty liberal crowd.
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He is the Commander and Chief, and he did fly as far as I know. It was as real as a hangover as far as I could see.
Now Kerry's medals... do not get me started, I am just ramping down my blood pressure medication since I do not have to see him on the TV all the time. Posts: 117 | Registered: Nov 2004
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I don't loathe her -- I'm another one of those people who's mystified by the hate she attracts. I just don't think she's that impressive; from what I've read, she screwed up the chance for Health Care Reform back in Clinton's first term by not involving enough people and by making the plan needlessly complicated.
I think she's got a reputation for treating her staff badly, but then Bush does too -- that seems to be a pretty common failing of politicians...
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I don't like her because she's a liberal and likes to allege a "vast right wing conspricacy." I was personally annoyed that she was the representative for Jews during that whole debate over posthumous baptisms by Mormons. I also personally believe the only reason she stayed with Bill is because of her own personal political ambition.
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Any number of reasons, depending on whom you ask.
She's an opinionated woman who speaks her mind in every situation. She used the prestige and power of being First Lady to further her own agenda. She does not present the image of a supportive, submissive wife. Far worse than being a liberal ivory-tower intellectual Democrat, she's a female liberal ivory-tower intellectual Democrat. She speaks out for many of the unpopular aspects of the Democratic Party platform. She's for gun control, she's very pro-choice, she favors more regulation of tobacco, she supports Israel wholeheartedly, and is easy to paint with the socialist brush. She is believed by many to be opportunistic and scheming, heartless and cold, nasty and rude. I don't know how much of that (if any) is true. I do know that several e-mails and newsmax.com articles floated around for awhile with lists of how horrible she is, most of which were quickly debunked. Head to www.snopes.com and do a search for "Hillary" to see some of them. She was involved in shady business dealings in Arkansas. Or not. I've lost track. She isn't the most diplomatic person in the world, and doesn't suffer fools gladly.
And probably a thousand more reasons.
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I didn't say I agreed with any of that. I honestly don't know. I haven't studied her campaign promises, voting record or the list of bills she's authored/sponsored, and anything else is just propaganda in either direction.
I do think, judging from reactions, that running her for president would be the stupidest thing the Democratic Party could do. She polarizes a room by walking into it. This may not be fair to her, but I think it's a real danger.
Rivka: I tried to word it carefully. If you hate her you'll agree with me, if you like her you'll agree with me.
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I like Hilary Clinton. Her book was very good and true. She seems like a not so bad person. I can't really see why she's hated so much...
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She's too political, too extreme, and I am unimpressed by her political priorities and arguments. I'm inclined to believe she stands for the old-style Democratic party, and not someone who knows how to address the needs of today. I think Kerry is a much better candidate than her.
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I'm not especially impressed by her, but neither do I see her as the anti-christ. So far I haven't really heard a reason to despise her. I can see not wanting her to be president, if one is conservative, and I don't have any particular opinion about how well she'd do in the office, but the utter, electrifying loathing that some feel toward her continues to mystify me. Jar Head, am I correct in thinking that you're one who loaths her? If so that's great, because I'd love to pick your mind about this.
By the way, Jar Head, it's interesting--those on the right typically see Hatrack as a pretty left leaning place, while those on the left typically see the forum as leaning to the right.
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I have some interesting extrapolation on that topic, Noemon. In reading about American Politics I discovered a quote that highlights that phenomenon.
I'll try to paraphrase it. It was a republican senator (Utah, if you must know, but the Republican is the important bit) and he said something like. "The two parties are increasingly divided: the Democrats are very far left and the Republicans are mostly to the right."
This wasn't very recently but recently enough. I thought it was funny. Obviously if he was a Democrat he would have said that "all Republicans are very far right and Democrats mostly to the left."
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I would say that most of the people on most of the issues lean to the left. There are still some conservatives here. The Hatrack Exit Poll had Kerry winning by a significant margin.
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Of course, as was pointed out on that thread there was considerable bias in who chose to post how they'd voted.
There are a few people foaming at the mouths on both ends of the spectrum, with the rest of the forum sread out fairly evenly between the two poles. That's my impression anyway. Some years one side sounds stronger than the other, but that's usually because of one or two particularly noisy, forceful people. They usually go away after a while.
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It just seems to be leftist dominated because thats where all the smart people are. . . . . I'M KIDDING. Dagonee in particular has helped to remove some of my own unfair perceptions of conservatives.
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Why though? I can't help thinking that's a true concept. Families need a lot of resources and help to raise children these days. It's not like in the past sadly where there were extended familis to help. It should be like that nowadays. Aunts, grandparents, uncles, all helping young couples to raise kids when they need help. Neighbours protecting the children. If both people need to work, there should be good day care to help out. It just makes sense to me...
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I'm not Republican or Democrat, the sides seem pretty well balanced here on those ends of the spectrum. I do feel very much in the minority as a Libertarian.
I don't see Hillary Clinton as a fire breathing monster, but nor do I see her as a great herald of a new age. As a female I would kinda like to see the first female president elected soon, but she is too socialist for my tastes.
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I don't want to make anyone angry but is it a possibilty that the common theme among supporters is like that of adam613's? They will support her to a certain level and then stop for whatever reason?
If so (and I am treading on worrying ground, this is just a theory) is it perhaps because a female person as president is a problem for most people to get their heads around? Is it a subconcious criticism that causes everyone to stop supporting her? Is such a thing possible and is it probable?
If so, is this because Hilary Clinton has been first lady, for legitimate reasons, or is it because of her gender?
Again, I am speculating.
If we go from the order historical acceptance, the first "different" president will be a black man, then a woman, then a homosexual person. Is it possible that even supporters of women in politics still have an unconcious belief that they are never quite good enough?
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OH, HOW I WISH we'd have a gay president. Or at least a bi one... I'd run for pres and be the first black female questionable lifestyle (though I haven't done anything!) president if I were more respectable and didn't have an aversion to dressing up and BSing, all of the things that are required when running for office.
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If Condoleeza Rice got the VP nom, as OSC suggested she might, I would probably vote for her in '08. As it stands now I don't think being NSA constitutes as enough experience. So I'm pretty sure its not a gender issue for me.
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Hillary has a strong paternalistic streak. She really seems to want the government deeply involved in peoples' lives (I'm a liberal, but not that sort of liberal).
Oh god... Rice? That is madness. I don't know, so is Cheney from my point of view.
quote: The whole "It takes a village to raise a child" idea gets my blood boiling.
I agree. Like I'm going to take advice on parenting from a person who had ONE KID decides she's an expert. But that's just the Mormon in me.
Personally, I can see Hilary with a whip in one hand and a chain tied to the US in another. I honestly don't think we need a Dominatrix for President.
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Ok, that I would disagree with. How could the government force people to raise their kids a certain way? When I think of the phrase it takes a village I think of improving education and preventing kids from slipping through the cracks
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I think most people dislike Hillary Clinton because she acts exactly how all other politicians act, except she is a woman. We have seen male politicians as strong willed and as controlling as her, and yet people have problems with the same traits when there in a woman.
I am not saying that this is the reason behond all of those that dislike her, but I am sure that this is at least part of the reason behind why people dislike her.
I would probably vote for her if she did run on '08. I have to research he views more thoroughly, but I like the idea of a female president. It would be cool.
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"I also personally believe the only reason she stayed with Bill is because of her own personal political ambition."
She gets no credit for trying to keep the family together? I thought conservatives are all about family values?
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"Personally, I can see Hilary with a whip in one hand and a chain tied to the US in another. I honestly don't think we need a Dominatrix for President."
Hm. I would argue that Hilary has demonstrated fewer "domineering" tendencies than our current president, and yet I cannot imagine Boris comparing Bush to a dominatrix.
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I might vote for her, but I might not. I haven't followed her career closely enough to know what kind of a leader she'd make. It would depend entirely on what I thought of that after I'd looked into it, and who was running against her.
She strikes me as a very bright, capable person, which certainly counts in her favor.
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If she were elected President, I guess that would make Bill Clinton the First Man? Is that the right term?
How weird would that be? Eight years as PUSA, and now you're PUSA's spouse. Same White House, same country, but now the reins are in your wife's hands.
That would not be easy.
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I'd be so very, incredibly impressed with him if he behaved as a gentleman. He didn't when he was in office, so I don't have a lot of hope for that though.
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GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN!!! (JK) No really, I was joking about the dominatrix thing. And, call me Naive, but isn't a dominatrix supposed to be a woman? But I think Hilary cheats on Bill as much as he cheats on her. "Holding the family together" is almost entirely political. I mean, there isn't much of a family to actually HOLD TOGETHER. It's them and Chelsea, who actually seems to be more mature than the two of them. Chelsea Clinton for president in...2016 I think?
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"I mean, there isn't much of a family to actually HOLD TOGETHER."
On what grounds do you make that statement? Have you hung out with them, or are you assuming that any couple with admitted infidelities can't be all that close?
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