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Annie
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I've mentioned to a few of you that I have decided to go on a mission. I've decided to write a bit here elucidating this decision. I'll try to keep it basic for those of you who aren't familiar with Mormon jargon and philosophy, and also include scriptural and gospel insights for those of you who are. For those of you uninterested, I apologize and shall write something pleasantly secular tomorrow. [Smile]

First of all, I'd like to address the common reaction I get when people hear of missionary work in general. I shall let Paul simon phrase the reaction I hear quite often:
You want to be a missionary?
Got that missionary zeal?
Let a stranger change your life
How's that make you feel?

There is a very strong reaction against any kind of proselyting among many of the people I know. Efforts to that effect are met with immediate resistance. I fully understand the desire to be kept away from pushy people of any sort, and I think that's where a lot of this attitude comes from - "Don't push your ideas on me!"

But I'd like to take a slightly different look at it. Maybe my assumptions are valid, maybe I'm off base - let me know. I propose that anyone who has ever written a book was proselyting. I put forward the possibility that perhaps we are all being missionaries every time we speak of our ideas to one another. Are we not? When we have discussions with our friends, are we not being ambassadors of our own ideas and persuading them, out of our love and concern for them, to believe as we do? I would venture to say that any well-meaning neighbor who has ever extolled the virtues of a new brand of fertilizer, in the hopes that his friend would try and find pleasing the solution that he discovered, is a missionary. He shares what he, through experience, has found to be true out of love for his fellow men.

Perhaps, you'll say, religious zealots are different. They're selling a lifestyle - they're telling me that the things I believe are wrong and trying to get me to change. If you see it that way, I invite you to talk with LDS missionaries next time you have the chance and see if that's the attitude you detect. I think, for the most part, that they're very pleasant people, reasonable people, and humble people, the attitude that differentiates them from the used car salesmen of the world. They teach by building on common beliefs, by showing how the truth of the gospel as they know it pertains to your already existing beliefs. The LDS faith is not promoted by debate; it has never convinced someone through heated discourse. It is taught with firm conviction and strict structure, but is never a hard-sell.

Moving on from missionary work in general to my own story:

LDS young men are expected to serve a mission at the age of 19. Girls may serve a mission if they so choose, but not until they are 21 and they are not obligated to go. I have found that the reason they serve later, as far as I know, is to allow them time to get their education, something that is statistically more difficult for them later in life.
I never felt the compulsion to serve a mission (I am now 23). I respected and appreciated those who did but found, through prayer and fasting, that I needed to pursue my education. I did so, assuming that I would continue in that until I found myself employed and seek a marriage and family in the meanwhile. Even up through a few months ago when my boyfriend, a new convert to the church, decided he was considering serving a mission before we got married, I intended to go to grad school and pursue my professional options while he was gone.
Surprisingly, this summer, I received the prompting that I should serve as well. I was a leader at Girls' Camp, a church camp for teenage girls, which is always an intensely spiritual experience. Hearing my good friend Vanessa tell of her mission to Anaheim, California, I was struck with a sudden desire to be involved in missionary work.

This initial desire has been intensified this semester as I go forward in my studies. One of my biggest philosophical dilemmas has recently been the problem of injustice in the world and the overwhelming size of humanity. Last semester, my French capstone class explored the problems of poverty in first-world nations and I was motivated by several of the texts we read (especially that of Abbé Pierre) to do something to work against injustice and poverty. I was left feeling uninspired though, apart from a vaguely socialist bent I may never outgrow. [Smile]

The problems of the world, in my opinion, are caused largely by what can always be traced back to various forms of selfishness. As much as we can fight with politics and words, we can only ever win when people can interact with love and respect. We can't fix broken systems by arguing people into submission.

And above all things, the gospel as I have been taught it in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is a gospel of love. As a people, we are diverse, but when we are living the teachings as we should, the most noticable effect is that we grow in love for one another. It was this that made me realize that the only way I am going to save the world is going to be by teaching love.

The fact that the church is a worldwide church and is available to people of all economic levels, all races, and all intelligence levels is, to me, proof that it is a viable and benefical philosophy. If something is going to save the world, it is not going to be a complex philosophical treatise that only the educated class can understand. If something is true, it is comprehensible to the most simple man and woman and is also sufficiently thorough to be accessible to the gifted mind. The fact that I go to church with a PhD. student who is currently designing a rocket to study the sun and a humble farm boy from central Montana who has a basic reading level who both can understand and learn from the gospel is testimony to me that it is a workable worldview. The fact that the church exists on all continents and in most countries and prizes a humble congregation in the wild highlands of Chile and a metropolitan people in the center of Hong Kong as much as a 7th generation suburban Utah family humbles and amazes me. When I hear the testimonies of those who heard the teachings of the gospel in Zimbabwe and Norway and Venezuela and changed their lives regardless of social repercussions to live a higher law, I am brought to tears.

The missionaries teach basic Christian principles. They teach the atonment of Christ and the plan of salvation. They rely on the Book of Mormon to convey basic principles, though the LDS faith accepts the Bible and other, modern revelation as holy scripture as well. There is something essential about the gospel as presented in the Book of Mormon, the record of a middle eastern people who migrated to the Americas in Old Testament times and built civilizations here. It contains a record of Jesus Christ appearing to these people after his Resurrection and appearance in the Holy Land. It is another witness of truths taught in the Bible and a second witness of Jesus Christ.

In the Book of Mormon, we read much of families. The Book of Helaman contains the story of one of these families, a father who is speaking to his sons who are about to depart on a missionary trip during a particularly volatile period in their people's political history. Here is what he tells his sons, whose names are Nephi and Lehi (named after their pioneer ancestors):

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6 Behold, my sons, I desire that ye should remember to keep the commandments of God; and I would that ye should declare unto the people these words. Behold, I have given unto you the names of our first parents who came out of the land of Jerusalem; and this I have done that when you remember your names ye may remember them; and when ye remember them ye may remember their works; and when ye remember their works ye may know how that it is said, and also written, that they were good:

7 Therefore, my sons, I would that ye should do that which is good, that it may be said of you, and also written, even as it has been said and written of them.

8 And now my sons, behold I have somewhat more to desire of you, which desire is, that ye may not do these things that ye may boast, but that ye may do these things to lay up for yourselves a treasure in heaven, yea, which is eternal, and which fadeth not away; yea, that ye may have that precious gift of eternal life, which we have reason to suppose hath been given to our fathers.

9 O remember, remember, my sons, the words which king Benjamin spake unto his people; yea, remember that there is no other way nor means whereby man can be saved, only through the atoning blood of Jesus Christ, who shall come; yea, remember that he cometh to redeem the world.

10 And remember also the words which Amulek spake unto Zeezrom, in the city of Ammonihah; for he said unto him that the Lord surely should come to redeem his people, but that he should not come to redeem them in their sins, but to redeem them from their sins.

11 And he hath power given unto him from the Father to redeem them from their sins because of repentance; therefore he hath sent his angels to declare the tidings of the conditions of repentance, which bringeth unto the power of the Redeemer, unto the salvation of their souls.

12 And now, my sons, remember, remember that it is upon the rock of our Redeemer, who is Christ, the Son of God, that ye must build your foundation; that when the devil shall send forth his mighty winds, yea, his shafts in the whirlwind, yea, when all his hail and his mighty storm shall beat upon you, it shall have no power over you to drag you down to the gulf of misery and endless wo, because of the rock upon which ye are built, which is a sure foundation, a foundation whereon if men build they cannot fall.

13 And it came to pass that these were the words which Helaman taught to his sons; yea, he did teach them many things which are not written, and also many things which are written.

14 And they did remember his words; and therefore they went forth, keeping the commandments of God, to teach the word of God among all the people of Nephi, beginning at the city Bountiful

This is one of the most significant passages in the book for me. It made an impression on me because of the number of times it uses the word remember. Helaman asks his sons to remember their fathers. To me, who isn't of pioneer heritage, this isn't something I normally ponder. However, this verse did strike me when I thought about my name. I was given a derivative of my mother's name, which she was given in tribute to her grandmother. My mother is the first generation in her family to join the church, and did so under considerable family distress. Her mother still hasn't forgiven her for it, and it ultimately led to the destruction of her marriage. Living an LDS life was not the path of least resistance for my mother, but she chooses to do so because she wanted the best for her children. She made covenants that she holds dear and has kept to a difficult path with the firm knowledge and faith that she is doing so for an ultimately better purposes. And it is my obligation to remember that. It is my obligation to remember the very real spiritual experiences I have had - the manifestations that the Priesthood of God is a real power on the earth today and is the authority to act in God's name. I need to remember the many times I called out to my Heavenly Father and he was there. I need to remember how far I've come because of the blessings I've been given, and my obligation to live up to the covenants I've made. I need to remember the truths I've learned and the responsibility that that knowledge gives me in regards to my brothers and sisters across the world.

I honestly do love other people. I want to share the love I've gained and repay the blessings I've benefitted from, and I know that the only way I can do this is by giving a year and a half of my life over to the service of the great and marvelous work that is the Church in these latter days.

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[ September 29, 2004, 12:22 AM: Message edited by: Annie ]

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If you do missions for the CIA, you get to kill people.
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Woah. You're not kidding?

Oh Annie, this is WONDERFUL!!!! You are so, so going to love it. It's going to be amazing. You'll be in an incredible missionary!!! And it's an incredible experience that you'll never forget. This is just wonderful - I'm so excited for you!!!!! *dances* And I'm so proud of you. [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] It'll be amazing. [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]

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*hugs her wildly and runs off to hunt down the Perfect Missionary Shoes* Holy cow. [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]
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I've been vaguely excited about it for a while now, but I've gotten to the point where I'm too excited to shut up about it. Which is why I've suddenly waxed verbose.

((((Kat)))) Thanks, sis! [Smile]

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Annie
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I won't be able to go until next summer, probably - I have to pay off some debts first. But you can never be too prepared with shoes. [Smile]
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I think they've gotten more strict about what the sisters can wear

This is probably a good thing. A shapeless jumper, men's brown loafers, hair in a ponytail and no makeup probably isn't the professional look needed. I got my jumpers from my dad - I got out there, realized I couldn't wear straight skirts while riding a bike, and my dad went and bought me clothes. This was great.

Anyway, my all time favorite missionary shoes were the heeled shoe boots. They were dressy enough to wear with all but the most ephemeral dresses, but they were actually boots and kept out the snow and I could walk in them all day. They looked like the dress boots worn in all Little Women movies. Those are the best. I'll look for some for you. What size do you wear? Even if you don't want them for your mission because you get called to Guam, they are still nice to have.

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Annie
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I always wanted fancy old fashioned boots. [Smile] I'm a size 10 bigfoot.
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So am I. They definitely make them in that size. *goes off to hunt through closet to see what brand hers are*
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[Cool] [Hat] Given your knowledge of other languages and cultures, you'll probably go to Indiana. Note to Indiana residents, I'm not knocking your state. I went to Indiana on my mission and loved it.

Annie, you've made a wonderful decision and I'm sure you'll be a great missionary.

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Anyway, good luck. May they send you to France. (Of course, now that I've jinxed you, you'll surely go to Fresno. Hope you like beans )
Excuse me, Speed? If Annie does come to Fresno on her mission, she'll be able to get a lot more than beans to eat. Besides good old midwest meat-and-potatoes, she'll be able to sample Hmong, Vietnamese, Thai, Armenian, Chinese, Japanese, German, French and many other wonderful cuisines, including - yes - Mexican food. But she'll be able to find real Mexican food here, not just "Tacky Bell". And even if the weather isn't great, most of the people here are.
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I'm so proud of you Anneke. [Smile]

Hobbes [Smile]

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Awesome, Annie. Go for it. You won't regret it. I always admired sister missionaries because they had very strongly developed convictions and knew why they were there. I got to serve my whole mission in districts with sisters, and that was definitely a reward for something.

I'm pushing for France as well, although it's not an easy mission. But you'll love anywhere you go.

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Best of wishes to you, Annie, I am excited for you! [Smile]
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((((((Annie))))))

That is too awesome Annie. You're gonna be a great missionary. You're an inspiration to me.

*actually HAS a pair of heeled boots* Yes, they are the best nice comfortable shoes I have. [Big Grin]

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Bizarre missionary memory: North Queensland, Australia, riding my beat up piece of junk bike on a busy main road, the edges of which (they happened to be where I was riding) were eroding badly from repeated tropical downpours so that there was about a four inch ridge to try and keep the wheels away from, at 8pm, dark, no lights on the bike, raining, one hand on the handle bars, an umbrella in the other hand, and holding a flashlight in my mouth!!!! What a laugh!
Good luck Annie, you'll love it.

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Hey I'm in Indiana and I've been approached by Mormon missionaries. They were extremely nice if not a little patronising and I didn't like the fact that they asked for my phone number. It's hard to refuse politely =/ But these are minor complaints. Overall I enjoyed talking to them.

For the sake of curiosity I asked why I should believe Mormonism or Christianity in general were correct when there's so many religions claiming the same thing (correctness). They had me read some Bible passage and tell them what I thought it meant (grr I'm not even Christian, how is this helpful?). Anyway they basically said ask God and you'll know or something to that effect. That was actually the second pair of Mormon's I've been approached by (didn't have time to talk to the first pair).

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Oooooh, Annie! That's so awesome! I hope to serve a mission eventually myself. I know you'll be great, and it will be a wonderful experience for you! We've got some sister missionaries in our ward now, one from Tonga, and they are all so sweet and wonderful. I probably should be selfless and wish you would get sent to Paris or somewhere equally exciting, but really what I hope is that you're assigned to Birmingham 3rd Ward in the far wilderlands of Alabama. [Smile]
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It is funny. Last week there were two mormon missionaries walking around my neighborhood. They went to some homes in my street, I know that. They were not foreigners. Just two common, run-of-the-mill Brazilian boys. One of the things I noticed: they seemed to be very happy doing their job, although the climate was very hot and their closes didn't suit it.

Although I do not partake on your religion (I'm not Mormon), I respect it a lot (as I respect all religions), and I'm sure that you'll be a great missionary, Annie.

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Annie, you'll be wonderful. [Smile]

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Have fun, Annie. Don't stop teaching love just 'cause your mission's over, though.
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All health and happiness to you in your quests, Annie. [Smile]
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Thanks for all the well-wishings. [Smile]
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Wait-- we have to continue preaching love even after our mission?

WHAT?

I'm so screwed. . .

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Peace be with you, Annie.

I think this is a wonderful idea and opportunity, and am glad you are feeling led in this direction.

Do you have any input into where you might be sent?

Farmgirl

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Annie
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I can tell them which languages I speak and whether I'm willing to learn a language, but they're notorious for sending you to China when you speak fluent Portuguese and German.
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Yay for you! I never felt an inclination to serve a mission at this time in my life, and that has been a good choice for me, but I envied all my girlfriends who served missions in cool places like Japan, Argentina, Montana, etc. I'm sure it will be wonderful.
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That's awesome! Hope you go to England!

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Fantastic, Annie! You are going to be a fantastic missionary.
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This is awesome!

I was tracted and converted by sister missionaries.

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Eduardo Sauron, you should talk to them and ask if they've read OSC. Most here haven't heard of him, I've found, but I'd only categorize about half of them as run-of-the-mill. [Smile] The other half are, like our Annie here, quite extraordinary. You should talk to them and see!
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I also have size 10 feet!

Bigfooted women of Hatrack, unite! [Big Grin]

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I have no response to that. [Wink]
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WOW...

Go Annie!

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Tatiana...I doubt they know about OSC. They were Brazilian, not American. Almost nobody here have heard about OSC (as only two of his books were translated for portuguese - "Ender's Game" and "The Worthing Saga".).
And when I said... "Run of the mill Brazilian" I did not mean they were mediocre or something like that. Just that they were Brazilian like me and I was amused to see Brazilian Mormon missionaries.

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I think my post came across as snarky rather than teasing. Sorry.

I'm happy that you're happy, Annie. I hope you get out of your mission work everything that you need. [Smile]

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During two years in Brazil, I only encountered one person who was familiar with OSC.
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Annie, you know how I feel about this. (WOOT!!) I'm excited for you because I know that when you learn and grow and touch other people, you'll recognize it and be happy that you made this choice and that you are where you are. And when you come back, you'll wonder how you could have possibly lived your life WITHOUT going on a mission.

At least, this is how I feel about my mission. I'm happy that you'll get to experience that, and I'm happy for those people in the world that will have YOU come to their door and teach them about the church. [Smile]

*hugs*

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I think, for the most part, that they're very pleasant people, reasonable people, and humble people, the attitude that differentiates them from the used car salesmen of the world.
If attitude is the only thing that separates Mormons from used car salesmen, I'd say you guys have some work to do. [Wink]

Anyway, congratulations, Annie!

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Do you have any input into where you might be sent?
[Party] RAPID CITY, SOUTH DAKOTA! [Party]

Maybe there's a checkbox on the application form to indicate that you're a Jatraquera.

Do you think our [Smile] favorite cousin [Smile] will be going to Rapid City as well?

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Hey, Annie, that's so great ! *hugs Annie* I'm sure you'll be a wonderfull missionary, and I hope you'll come in France !
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10.5, oh yeah. [Wink]
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That is wonderful Annie [Big Grin] As I've gotten older I've realized that I would have enjoyed going on a mission. I met my husband first but it would have been neat to have been able to go. I know you'll be great!
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Not to get into a long debate over proselytizing, but I have to disagree:
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But I'd like to take a slightly different look at it. Maybe my assumptions are valid, maybe I'm off base - let me know. I propose that anyone who has ever written a book was proselyting. I put forward the possibility that perhaps we are all being missionaries every time we speak of our ideas to one another. Are we not?
I surely hope writers, especially fiction writers, are not trying to convince us that everything they write is how they really feel. With just Orson Scott Card, that wouldn't make sense. So, if you're just saying nonfiction writers, then you'd have an argument.

With friends or acquaintances, opinions and points of view are often requested before given, or directly follow a sharing of personal feelings that socially signify an invitation for reinterpretation. Going up to complete strangers and telling them that you think they would look better if they dressed differently or did their hair differently is not a socially acceptable action, but going up to complete strangers and telling them that a new religion is best for them is. It's not a equal analogy in terms of perceived value in many cases, but the intrusiveness of the act is the same.

People who I have never met before who come knocking on my door are not my friends, and I did not invite their opinions, feelings, or points of view about the state of my soul and its possible salvation or damnation. That is how it is with many people, even toward people of the same faith. I don't think proselytizing should be illegal or banned from existence, but I am trying to explain how your analogy simply doesn't work for me. The only time it would be valid is if a friend or acquaintance brought it up to me, which is not the point of most missionary work as we think of it today.

Good luck on your mission, but be aware that you may be disappointed if you expect your proselytizing to be taken in the same context as offering a friend an opinion. There are protocols to basic social behavior, and proselytizing requires someone to skip over several levels as a general practice. I hear Mormon missionaries tend to be rather friendly people, though, so it can't be an altogether bad experience.

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Good luck Annie! I hope it is a great experience.

I wear a 13w shoe. I beat all of you! [Big Grin]

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I would posit, Justa, that fiction writers may not write what they think, but they do write what they feel. This is what makes bodies of work cohesive and identifies an author to us. As fictional as scenarios may be, I think that the underlying message of a work of fiction is inextricably intertwined with an author's beliefs, and I would have used OSC as an example of that point. So maybe our arguments are discussing the same thing on different levels. [Smile]
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Jutsa Notha Name
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I would still disagree, because you may get one thing from the message while I get something totally different. It all depends on what is poingant to you. I like Enders Game because of many characters who were not Ender, and actually found his character boring. The message I got from the story is that in a war, prudence and communication precede overwhelming violence. Considering Mr. Card's take on things like the war in Iraq, I would think that isn't what he feels is necessary in such situations. But that's just a minor example, off the top of my head. Considering the many literary debates over books written throughout the centuries, I think it's easy enough to see that there is never a consensus on what the author actually means unless they say it outright.
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Um. . . I just wrote a short story from the point of view of a crazy man who kidnapped his wife and stuck her in a pumpkin.

I don't always write my beliefs into my work.

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Dear Annie,
I'm so excited for you!
Kristine

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Wooooooooooooooooo! <is in awe> One day maybe I'll merit an Aunt Kristine post and then I'll feel special too. [Smile]

Did Aunt Kristine go on a mission, I wonder? To me it seems like it would be an amazing wonderful thing to do. I really wish I'd found the church earlier so I could have done the standard "rite of passage" type mission. As it is I'll have to make do with an "already grown up" one, I guess, which isn't quite the same, but I still can't wait. [Smile] What joy could be higher than immersing yourself in service to something that's better than you? I think that's what humans are made to do, what we're meant for.

Eduardo, I knew what you meant! [Smile] I was just being playful. I expect you're right that not many Brazilian LDS missionaries could have heard of OSC. Still I bet they're likely to be very cool people. More than half of the missionaries I've met have struck me as being like that. And the other half I probably just didn't take time enough to really notice. [Smile]

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