quote:Rather than delete this thread, would you prefer if I delete the posts that became personal (not my opinion of the show, which I think was an appropriate post)?
In other words, we can delete the personal argument, and you can still have your thread abou the show.
In any case, I reckon it's too late for that now. But I wanted to make my post.
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I hate it when threads I have posted to get deleted. I put a lot of thought into my response to you. I opened up about my own past anxieties, and my feelings about Hatrack as well. Oh, well.
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And now, to give this thread a topic of its own. Tell me, Hatrack: if somebody starts a thread saying they like something, is it wrong to post in the thread that you don't? I know there are people on both sides of this issue. Can we discuss it?
Is it inappropriate for me to post in a cigar-love thread that I find ciar smoke objectionable?
Is it wrong for me to post in a Strong Bad thread that I don't find Strong Bad funny?
Clearly, I don't think so. I'm curious to know what the consensus is, and people's reasons for their beliefs.
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Hmmmmm... well I think the Mods are trying to prevent flame wars and such... keeping civility by only allowing attacks on the subject and/or idea of the post, not on the person posting it... However, I don't mind some personal criticism, such as critiquing a person's writing style or how they form their argument.
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So which thread got deleted? Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with posting an opposing opinion, just so long as it's done respectfully.
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I don't know what thread you are talking about. Don't know if it would matter if I did know. My mom always called pure contrariness "a dog in the manger". Kind of like a fly in the soup, except most flies don't get in the soup because they enjoy it.
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First, thread-deleters are evil. It shows a blatant disregard for others who have posted on the thread. I find this far more objectionable than the contents of almost any imaginable post, mainly because it's non-correctable and destructive of trust.
Second, if someone posts that they like somthing, posts from other people explaining why they don't like it seem perfectly on topic.
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"the show" suggests a TV series. Was it Star Gate or Babylon 5? I think I showed great restraint in not flaming the Star Gate thread. Since it mainly came up right after I was saying how much Star Gate stinks in another thread.
P.S. If you didn't like the show, aren't you happy that the thread was deleted?
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I don't see it as being contrary. And I am not talking about personal attacks, of which I believe I am not guilty. As I posted in the now deleted thread, I find the discussions in which I don't agree with people to be the most memorable and invigorating ones I have. So I posted in the Strong Bad thread, for example, to try to "get" why so many people seem to love Strong Bad while I don't. To try to understand the other perspective.
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I think it entirely depends on the thread in question. If I start a thread about cigars and the tone is, "Does anyone else here like cigars? Does anyone have any favorites?", then I think it would be curmudgeonly at least, if not outright rude, to jump in if all you have to say is "I hate cigars", or other negative things. If you feel overwhelmingly unable to keep such feelings to yourself, then a more appropriate expression would be to start a thread like "Why I hate cigars".
Alternatively, if the thread was "What do you think of Cigars?" or "My Dad offered me a cigar for my 21st birthday, what do you think of that?" then it's no holds barred.
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Icky, it can go both ways. Hmmm... it means that you have to be willing to take what appears to be and sometimes is criticism even about things that you love, and that could greatly discourage people from posting things that are sensitive and not up for grabs. If that happens, I think it would a tragic loss for Hatrack.
On the other hand, it is really possible to ask for only yeses when you start a thread.
Great. I'm on the fence.
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I remember when I crashed the Harry Potter thread. And then everyone accused me of thinking Harry Potter is a satanist. Good times, those.
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I'm with KarlEd on this one. The thread in question was more along the lines of a fan thread than a "what do you think of" thread. So the negative comments about the show seemed a little mean-spirited (though I don't think they were intended that way).
That said, I think deleting the thread was a bit of an overreaction. But not evil. Let's reserve that term for actions that truly deserve it.
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Also, in regard to my borrowed "Cigar" analogy above, there is a difference between posting "I hate cigars" and "What is it you find so attractive about cigars?" in a clearly "cigar-love" type thread. I think the second question would be perfectly fine in that case while I still the first would come across as a little rude and trollish.
Not every thread is posted for controversy or to solicit arguement. For example, if someone started posting "Homosexuality is a sin" or even "Gay marriage should be banned because . . ." stuff in my "Field Guide" thread, I'd be pretty offended.
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My comments are totally "in general". I don't have any opinion about the specific thread in question.
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Oh, and the thing I hate most about deleted threads is that I never know what the heck the "why did that thread get deleted" threads are about. It would be nice if someone would make copies of the threads before they get deleted, so we can go back and figure out what went wrong.
Man, I'm is such a goofy mood.
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quote: So, if anyone else has watched this incredible show, please chatter about it
[a bunch of posts, including at least one criticizing the show]
quote:I saw one episode in the first year and didn't get what all the buzz was about. I found the main character whiny and self-absorbed and not particularly likeable. Watching the show was about as much fun as listening to a teenager whine.
But maybe I just caught them on a bad day.
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My unedited first post in that thread.
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quote: I found the main character whiny and self-absorbed and not particularly likeable.
Sounds like a teenager to me =)
quote: Yeah. I just don't know how entertaining it would be to watch a teenager's (so-called) life.
^ | My unedited second post in that thread.
So. Was I mean spirited?
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Heh. If it helps, I've been the cause of at least one deleted thread. I still agree with my own opinion, but I guess I should have put it more diplomatically.
No. But it still sounds a little mean-spirited. I can certainly understand not appreciating such a reaction to something I find "incredible". But again, I know you didn't intend it that way, so you're fine by me.
And no, I didn't confuse your posts with fallow's.
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Oh goodie. This is the way to make it settle down.
I've only deleted two threads in the entirety of my hatrackage. The first was because no one posted on it. It swept to page 3, and I deleted it because it had no response, had touched no one in a visible way.
This thread I deleted because it made me sad. I wanted to have a fun discussion about what it meant to me. But it degenerated quickly into a lot of bad feelings (unintended). I didn't like seeing the thread, I didn't like posting in the thread, and I didn't want it to keep going. Even if it had gotten back to the original point of the thread, I felt it was blemished with all this miscommunication.
So I deleted it. Very little was lost. It was intended to be a positive fluff thread that had potential for some good discussion about teen angst. But it didn't make me happy at all. It made me very unhappy. I was told that I was being too sensitive.
and now, thank you very much, the thread's misery is continuing.
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Oh, I think I know which thread it was finally. I never saw the show.
But the self deprecating narcissism of the title makes it ironic, both that you felt the need to criticize it and that the criticism was met with baleetion.
Hey, Ic, it's not Hatrack if folks understand you all the time.
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Didn't you open this thread to get our feedback? So now you can't probe for consolation. Where is Rita Spankmistress when we need her?
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Look, I never called you an ass. I told you there was a lot of miscommunication, and it was making me unhappy. I didn't want the thread to stick around. Sorry about that, sorry about losing the posts you posted in it.
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quote: Yeah. I'm a real ass. My feelings don't matter.
Ok. Now I'm pissed. I officially declare myself Ick's bodyguard.
Don't mess with Joe unless you want to feel all the rage a burninator can muster.
Joe -- you're the most even-headed guy here. One that tolerates my goofiness by saying you actually enjoy it. It was one thread deletion, not a big deal. I once had a whole series of mafia threads deleted by Kristine because they had the word lynch in them. It really pissed me off at the time.. But you can't let it get to you. Don't worry.
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Pooka, I was not responding to you, or to your feedback. I was responding to being criticized with sarcasm for starting this thread, because it didn't let something die. I started this thread because I had just written a post and had no place to put it, and because I did want feedback on the general question I asked for feedback on.
Doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have feelings when the victim comes back and tells me how I'm making her life even worse.
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No, you're not. Deleting a thread people have posted due is really, really rude and shows no respect for the time or thought people put into their posts. Even in a mostly fluff thread.
I wish people would be less tolerant of it. People can delete their own posts if they want. They shouldn't delete others.
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When someone deletes a thread that you have posted to, it can be annoying. Yes, it's frustrating to lose a post that you have taken time to compose, I understand that. In my case, it's never something that I have gotten super-upset about. A minor annoyance, on the range of things one could get annoyed about.
And I can understand someone deleting a thread, if they started it hoping for a certain type of feedback, and the feedback they were getting was just upsetting or annoying them.
I think it's exaggerating to call it "really rude and disrespectful." It's only a forum, and all the threads get deleted eventually, anyway.
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quote:When someone deletes a thread that you have posted to, it can be annoying. Yes, it's frustrating to lose a post that you have taken time to compose, I understand that. In my case, it's never something that I have gotten super-upset about. A minor annoyance, on the range of things one could get annoyed about.
And I can understand someone deleting a thread, if they started it hoping for a certain type of feedback, and the feedback they were getting was just upsetting or annoying them.
I think it's exaggerating to call it "really rude and disrespectful." It's only a forum, and all the threads get deleted eventually, anyway.
If that's the general feeling around here I find it very disturbing. A poster deleting the works of others because "the feedback they were getting was just upsetting or annoying them?" Frankly, I find it appalling. Sure eventually posts will be deleted. That's different than having someone delete them months ahead of schedule.
Frankly, I don't know what else to call such disregard for others' time and effort.
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Dag, How about "a disregard for others' time and effort." That pretty much sums it up for me.
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