quote:I really don't think undoing a bra is all that difficult. All it takes is a little practice.
It's doing them up that I think of as awkward. But never having worn one, or actually even watched someone put one on, now that I think of it, my opinion on the subject of putting bras on is not exactly informed. Posts: 10886 | Registered: Feb 2000
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I think it's just that talking about bras is actually interesting. Now I'm curious as to who designs bras, and whether there is any actual engineering involved (because if there isn't there obviously should be).
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Part of it is also that, if you tried to have a serious discussion about bras (and breast size and so forth) on other sites, juvenile humor would rule the day.
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It's liberating to talk openly and respectfully about a subject that is normally considered "taboo".
I like that about Hatrackland. I have conversations with people here that I would not likely have in RL situations, not unless I was very comfortable around the people.
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Heh, I actually find Hatrack more restrictive than real life in terms of what I can and can't talk about Posts: 10886 | Registered: Feb 2000
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Is there engineering involved with designing bras? I do have my favorites (Victoria's Secret), but I'm not sure WHY they are my favorite. They just fit correctly, don't move when I do, and are smooth in the front so I don't get seams with knit shirts.
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Katharina- my girlfriend almost drools everytime a new victoria secret catalog comes around. She absolutely adores everything they sell. I asked her why, and she said "They make me feel sexy." Asked why they made her feel sexy and she couldn't really put it into words.
Not that I complain that she loves VS. Means I see lots of interesting outfits Posts: 4112 | Registered: May 2001
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quote:Part of it is also that, if you tried to have a serious discussion about bras (and breast size and so forth) on other sites, juvenile humor would rule the day.
I love that we started with the juvenile humor, and then very quickly derailed ourselves into a really interesting thread.
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And just because it's been bugging me all morning - Bev, you do know when I said "the predictability of stupidity", I was referring to the guys who blather on about "cup size this" and "bra size that", right?
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mack, not shocking (if it were shocking, I'd have used an ); just interesting/amusing in a who'd'a-thought-we-had-that-in-common way.
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quote:Asked why they made her feel sexy and she couldn't really put it into words.
There's something inherently sexy about imagining what a woman might have on under her clothes. It's even sexier when you're the woman, you KNOW what you've got on is wicked hot. It's a mostly harmless, but oh-so-naughty little secret. You get this sort of sharp, archy-eyebrow look in your eyes and a little smirky grin. People notice the twinkle in your eye and the blush in your complexion. You get checked out more. The image in the mirror seems spicier than normal.
It's just... well, it's just hot. And legal. Posts: 7600 | Registered: Jan 2001
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quote: And just because it's been bugging me all morning - Bev, you do know when I said "the predictability of stupidity", I was referring to the guys who blather on about "cup size this" and "bra size that", right?
Nope, thought you were referring to something else.
*goes to re-read post*
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Ah, I thought you were responding to the stupidity of the bra-sizing-system. I had just been talking about it, ya know.
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quote: I've known women who looked incredible in a white t-shirt and jeans - far much more attractive to me than some of the outfits I've seen in VS.
It's almost like makeup and jewelry - a lot of women would rather die than go out without makeup and some sort of jewelry.
I've always thought that 99% of girls looked far better in something like a T-shirt and jeans or a tank top and jeans than in fancy dresses and with out any makeup or jewlery than with. Maybe I'm just weird. Posts: 3295 | Registered: Jun 2004
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Porter says when he first saw me in a dress, he thought I looked great. Then when he saw me after changing into a shirt and jeans, he was like Posts: 7050 | Registered: Feb 2004
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quote:I've always thought it stems from the focus society puts on outward appearance.
You mean, why a woman would feel sexier wearing VS under her clothes?
No. Women have a deep-seated biological need to feel wanted. A man wants a woman, and a woman wants a man to want her. This basic dynamic may be why society puts focus on appearance. It's pretty chicken or egg. However, whether or not a woman currently is in a relationship, whether or not she is open to being in a relationship, the idea that what she has against her skin would make her very desirable satisfies a small part of her mind that is communicating this need to her. It doesn't have to be seen and/or approved by anyone, just as long as SHE believes it.
In this case, I would strongly argue that it's not about pleasing society's demands for a better appearance, but satisfying a woman's own psychological needs.
edit: Jeans and T-shirts are everyday wear. Develop a relationship for six months. I doubt if you come home to find a black little number you will whine, "But I like you better in the LEVIS!"
quote: Jeans and T-shirts are everyday wear. Develop a relationship for six months. I doubt if you come home to find a black little number you will whine, "But I like you better in the LEVIS!"
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It depends on circumstance. A woman who has done some prep to make herself look damn hot sexy fine desirable chose your phrase, and then you go out for pizza... not so good. It feels awkward. However, if you take her out for a fancy dinner on the town, she looks better then she would in jeans and a t-shirt.
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quote:Jeans and T-shirts are everyday wear. Develop a relationship for six months. I doubt if you come home to find a black little number you will whine, "But I like you better in the LEVIS!"
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Ahh. RIght. I come home to find a sig-other in the first little black number, and it lasts, GENEROUSLY, 10 minutes before its lying crumpled on the floor.
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quote:Jeans and T-shirts are everyday wear. Develop a relationship for six months. I doubt if you come home to find a black little number you will whine, "But I like you better in the LEVIS!"
I actually I think I would say that. I don't find those things attractive at all.
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quote:Ahh. RIght. I come home to find a sig-other in the first little black number, and it lasts, GENEROUSLY, 10 minutes before its lying crumpled on the floor.
Then it's work here is done.
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quote:I actually I think I would say that. I don't find those things attractive at all.
This has got to be the equivalent to a girl saying, "I don't care what a guy looks like, as long as he has a great sense of humor!" The younger we are, the more likely we end up saying things we think we're suppose to say.
Oh, well. Nothing is 100%. But it's usually a higher percentage than who'll let on about it.
quote:I actually I think I would say that. I don't find those things attractive at all.
This has got to be the equivalent to a girl saying, "I don't care what a guy looks like, as long as he has a great sense of humor!"
Not really. Cause I do care about looks to some degree. I just don't think fancy, skimpy outfits that are designed to be sexy look attractive at all. I tend to find that simpler is sexier Posts: 3295 | Registered: Jun 2004
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quote: Not really. Cause I do care about looks to some degree. I just don't think fancy, skimpy outfits that are designed to be sexy look attractive at all. I tend to find that simpler is sexier
Alcon correct me if I'm wrong, but you (a self proclaimed asexual) just said that. I mean i thought you believed sex was pointless except for reproductive purposes.
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For the record, the idea of 'lingerie' is pretty broad. I used the little black number as a very generic example. Like porn, the point of lingerie is 'anything that does it for you'.
Truly, if you think jeans and t-shirts are not only everyday wear but also what you want to rip off a woman's body time and time again, then it has become lingerie for you, not just a nice outfit that looks good on a girl. If you cannot think of a clothing item that you want to repeatedly rip off a girls body, well, you are alien to me and I do not understand you. Therefore, nothing I've said henceforth applies to you.
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Ralphie spends a lot of time thinking about the various articles of clothing she's like to repeatedly rip off a girl's body.
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quote: Alcon correct me if I'm wrong, but you (a self proclaimed asexual) just said that. I mean i thought you believed sex was pointless except for reproductive purposes.
Stryker, just because I'd rather not risk sex until I think I can deal with the consequences doesn't mean I'm not attracted to girls. If I wasn't attracted to girls, why would I have a girlfriend?
quote: Truly, if you think jeans and t-shirts are not only everyday wear but also what you want to rip off a woman's body time and time again, then it has become lingerie for you, not just a nice outfit that looks good on a girl. If you cannot think of a clothing item that you want to repeatedly rip off a girls body, well, you are alien to me and I do not understand you. Therefore, nothing I've said henceforth applies to you.
Yep, I guess I'm just alien to you.
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quote: Stryker, just because I'd rather not risk sex until I think I can deal with the consequences doesn't mean I'm not attracted to girls. If I wasn't attracted to girls, why would I have a girlfriend?
your deffinition has changed... or i'm confused... i'm betting it's the latter
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Alcon, me boy, I believe you find simpler sexier because that is what you have experience with. If I may say, it seems you're equating lingere with porn made flesh. Clearly, it ain't, it's far more personal and imtimate than that; that's the point. But if your only experience with it is from images like Ralphie linked to of course it's going to seem fake and artificial and in no way attractive to you.
There is nothing nicer than going through the day knowing your underwear matches and looks sizzling. Regardless of whether someone else gets to see it.
Dang. I need new underwear.
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