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Let me tell you the nonreligious morality that I believe in. I believe the American Ideal, though it has not been executed very well, tends to be a fairly good test. That man is endowed by the Creator (whether it be spiritual or natural) with certain inalienable rights, among which are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Furthermore, that Life, Liberty, or Property will not be infringed without the due process of law. Furthermore, that all should recieve equal protection under the law. Finally, my rights only end where yours begin.
If what I do infringes upon your personal rights, then you have grounds to take action against me. If what I do does no harm to you, but does not match with your values, then endeavor to reach me with reason, persuasion, bribery, or boycott, but you should have no recourse through the law.
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I don't have a pot big enough. I suppose I could eat a paper plate. Could always use the fiber.
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Thanks, Kathryn. I didn't whistle the post, but I sure was tempted too. It makes me feel good to know that the moderators, despite disagreeing with gay marriage, are compassionate and do not accept churlishness from those who share that specific opinion. It speaks well of the prospects for genuine discourse here.
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::savors rare morsel of Ralphie post::
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quote: Icarus, where did Kathryn post? I'm so confused.
Kat, she deleted one of Bean Counter's posts.
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posted November 05, 2004 01:08 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [This post was deleted because it was inflammatory and nasty, and because about nine thousand Hatrackers rose up in arms to complain about it.]
quote:What I do is far crueler then you think! I do not set out to hurt feeling, I just do not give them my attention.
That's a lie. This statement is akin to, "I'm going to be punching the air right here...and if you face gets in the way, and you get punched, it's your own damn fault!" (Mmmm. Pie.)
quote:A persons feelings are thier own, I not only believe this in theory I live it. Of course I would say the same thing in any company. It is a good way to sort your associates.
That's a pretty obvious and stupid theory. Pick that up from a fortune cookie? Or did the hero in a pulp-fiction book say that one? 'A person's feelings are their own." Wow. You're like, a Zen master, aintcha?
quote:You sought out some moral high ground of deep feeling and compassion as if pain is not a universal truth. It is the teacher. It is silly for you to pretend to know the will of God, I tried to demonstrate that to you by pretending I did, but you missed it.
He was feeling pretty bad (presumably still is), and posted to vent and get some commiseration from friends. 'It is the teacher'? Ohhhh. Tell me more, O! wise sage!
Everything is or can be a teacher to human beings. And giving your half-assed, ill-conceived, troll-motivated 'theory' far more credit than it deserves, an unwashed fool asks: what is the lesson?
quote:Gleefully beating your kids may be wrong, but simulated glee could be an added deterant to future behavior. One must control the emotions one has, display the ones one chooses and eat the plate in front of you.
Yeah. Then, after that, we can swat mosquitoes with axes!
Well, now that I've vented my frustration (really, this sort of thing is like a good BM!), I'm going to swallow air so I can burp. More productive, and this way at least the funny, stupid noises being made are mine!
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BC, it was a pretty awful post. Let bygones be bygones.
CStroman, or Chad, like you had just recently parachuted in with a big bang. He's more effective in his arguments now and taken more seriously, now that we are talking together. We also get a chance to get to know him and understand his views. That's pretty cool.
You'll find that people here are worth getting to know. You don't have to be sappy (nobody will force you, despite how it looks sometimes), but you really do get back what you put in.
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Telp, I'm really sorry that you're feeling dispossesed. I strongly disagree with the moral majority's stand on this and I hope and pray that there will eventually be some room for you to live your life with your partner and not be penalized for it.
Now that I've made my support for your stance apparent I have to comment on this post:
quote: You freaking idiot... homosexuality is BIOLOGICAL. We've known that for a decade. It is a basic life function...like breathing or hunger.
I don't dispute that you may be wholly and unequivocally homosexual by nature but I think it is somewhat presumptious to declare that all homosexuals are likewise driven by nature and have no choice in the matter. I could support your assertion if it were less encompassing. I'm quite convinced that there are many reasons and factors that can contribute to a life of homosexuality. I'm casting no aspersion here, just making an observation.
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I'm going to jump on the bandwagon for a second here. Sorry, Telp, for derailing.
quote: Gleefully beating your kids may be wrong, but simulated glee could be an added deterant to future behavior.
I have a lot of insecurities about my abilities as a parent, but I feel like a freaking expert next to you. Simulating glee while you punish your kids just makes them think you're their enemy. It's not a deterrent. Where's the logic behind that? Daddy's happy when he hits me, so I'm going to try to behave better, so he won't hit me? The more obvious conclusion to me is: Daddy's happy when he hits me, so clearly he doesn't like me, so why should I try to make him happy?
This strikes me as perhaps the most scary statement posted in this thread. Are you a parent? Do you really parent this way? Or did you get drawn into that statement to defend an earlier one?
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Joe, I think my summation of that gleeful tidbit was way better than yours. I mean, with yours, do we get to picture BC swatting at mosquitoes on him with an axe? Posts: 17164 | Registered: Jun 2001
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Ic, it also can create a continuation of child abuse in that, from an early impressionable age, a child sees that Daddy is happy and relieved when he hurts me, so that it's okay oif I do it, to either my peers (or much later, my own children).
In the context of a discussion forum community, it raises the question of whether one is acting in good faith. I take honest response (rather than game-playing or toying with others) as a fundamental part of integrity.
Integrity is pretty important to me.
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(posted this in it's own thread...but thought there might be too many threads on this issue already... might as well just put it here)
Looks like, from a report in Detroit's newspapers, that the Michigan Republicans are looking to oust our liberal leaning Governor and Senators using the same "strategy" of Karl Rove by rousing the fanatical evangelicals...
Since they have already taken away most of my rights I'm sure they will go after the right of women to choose pregnancy and who knows what else. Who else will they target to strip rights away from just to bring voters to the polls?
What really makes me sick are the people who wrap their partisanship in piety.. "Oh! God told me to vote Republican!" I thought religion was supposed to be above politics and the state? Not that Republicans are the only ones guilty of this... left leaning religious folk does it too. And both allow themselves to be fooled by the demagogues.
And of course there is talk that the judges who go with the anti-gay amendments will be chosen for higher office by the Bush administration...
I never used to really believe in "agendas" but after seeing and hearing all this... well... hard to deny I guess.
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