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Yeah, I have to vote for the Shreks as well. They are among some of my favorite movies *ever*. Didn't like Antz so much. I am actually interested in Over the Hedge..
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We were talking about this the other day in class, we think its a good thing because with the whole merger thing, new job openings will appear and that is a good thing for animation students like myself. However, as a Pixar fan, I must say that it was a BAD idea. Why? Well, Disney seems to think that Pixar can solve all of its problems, because lately, we haven't seen any good Disney stuff, now have we? All the good stuff that has been coming out of there is either Pixar or Studio Ghibli leading me to believe that Disney is going kerplop. Kronc's New Groove was rather lacking in plot and the whole array of sequels from classics is really going nowhere. Don't they realize that the new sequels are KILLING the classics? I'd really like it if they fired everyone in their creative group and hired completely new people to bring a new idea to life. I honestly believe that the last good 2D Disney movie was Mulan, all the others have sucked after that.
Even Pixar has disappointed me already, since Chicken Little was a rather sad sad lacking film, it was truly not what I expected and I think it was only a waste of precious rendering time.
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Chicken Little was NOT Pixar. It was Disney trying to immitate Pixar. That's why they scrapped their 2D movie studio--they think that 3D is the reason Pixar has been bringing in the cash!
"Uh, gee. Pixar is popular. It must be because they are 3D! Darn it, 2D is a thing of the past! If we switch over, it will solve all our problems!"
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Meanwhile, Pixar looks into making some 2D animation.... Posts: 7050 | Registered: Feb 2004
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Sorry, sorry, sorry!!! *bangs head with pot*
I agree that Lilo and Stitch was awesome, but I just cannot see how it can compare to the awesomeness of Hercules, Mulan or The Little Mermaid. Oh yeah, I had heard that they fired their 2D group...that was such a tearful day for me...
Well, what I meant is that Disney has not come up with a great masterpiece that will be remembered forever, a classic, in a very very long time. I miss those days.
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I actually really liked "Treasure Planet". I was not fond of "Lilo and Stitch". It is difficult to articulate why. And I am one of the few people on the planet who actually likes "Pocohontas".
Oh, and I will always *love* "Emporer's New Groove".
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I liked Lion King quite a bit, and Mulan was also very good. And has everyone forgotten Aladdin? Bev, I would've enjoyed Pocohontas, had it not been for the, um, barbie-doll shape the animators gave her. I would not actually put Hercules in the same category, though.
I still maintain, however, that Beauty and the Beast is one of the best animated films ever made. Ever.
And, yes, that's even taking into account all the Pixar films, as well as Miyazaki's films. So there. Posts: 4077 | Registered: Jun 2003
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quote: I agree that Lilo and Stitch was awesome, but I just cannot see how it can compare to the awesomeness of Hercules, Mulan or The Little Mermaid.
*blink* You're kidding, right? "Hercules" and "Pocohontas" sucked major eggs, but "Lilo and Stitch" is almost flawless.Posts: 37449 | Registered: May 1999
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quote:"Uh, gee. Pixar is popular. It must be because they are 3D! Darn it, 2D is a thing of the past! If we switch over, it will solve all our problems!"
This is exactly what amazes me, especially because every time you see Ed Catmull or John Lasseter speak, they talk about how it's NOT the 3D, it's the story! It's like, is anyone listening? Allo?
Word is this will probably lead to more job opportunities for people like me in the next year or so, yay, but even better would be if it strengthened the feature animation industry as a whole. The relative success of something like "Hoodwinked" scares the bejeebus out of me. Posts: 1681 | Registered: Jun 2004
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Heh, we were so insulted and disappointed by Lilo and Stitch that we had to make a conscious decision to see it to the end. And were very relieved when it finally came. Posts: 1681 | Registered: Jun 2004
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quote: I agree that Lilo and Stitch was awesome, but I just cannot see how it can compare to the awesomeness of Hercules, Mulan or The Little Mermaid.
*blink* You're kidding, right? "Hercules" and "Pocohontas" sucked major eggs, but "Lilo and Stitch" is almost flawless.
Ok,I agree, Hercules wasn't all that great, but you've got to admit that Mulan was a great movie. Pocahontas is not in my favorite's list, either, but the music had some zing to it, you must admit. Well, anyhoot, I do think that what I'm getting to was that Disney just isn't what it used to be even a decade ago. Back then, you went to see a Disney movie, and you KNEW you were going to ge some quality stuff, now...I think twice about watching a Disney flick.
My favorite movie is and has always been, the Little Mermaid though, I cry every time I see it and my birthday wish on my candles has always been becoming a mermaid or being able to swim in air. After Aladdin and B&B, things did go downhill. I have to say that Lion King WAS a good movie though. And I liked the Tarzan soundtrack although the movie wasn't as good, particularly the character design. I almost barfed on that one.
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quote: I agree that Lilo and Stitch was awesome, but I just cannot see how it can compare to the awesomeness of Hercules, Mulan or The Little Mermaid.
*blink* You're kidding, right? "Hercules" and "Pocohontas" sucked major eggs, but "Lilo and Stitch" is almost flawless.
Ok,I agree, Hercules wasn't all that great, but you've got to admit that Mulan was a great movie. Pocahontas is not in my favorite's list, either, but the music had some zing to it, you must admit. Well, anyhoot, I do think that what I'm getting to was that Disney just isn't what it used to be even a decade ago. Back then, you went to see a Disney movie, and you KNEW you were going to ge some quality stuff, now...I think twice about watching a Disney flick.
My favorite movie is and has always been, the Little Mermaid though, I cry every time I see it and my birthday wish on my candles has always been becoming a mermaid or being able to swim in air. After Aladdin and B&B, things did go downhill. I have to say that Lion King WAS a good movie though. And I liked the Tarzan soundtrack although the movie wasn't as good, particularly the character design. I almost barfed on that one.
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And, yes, that's even taking into account all the Pixar films, as well as Miyazaki's films. So there.
Uh... No... Miyazaki rules just about all in terms of detail, story and everything else. Though the manga version of Nausicaa was waaaaaaay better than the anime...
Those Beauty and the Beast is one of my favourite Disney movies and I do not know why I do not own it yet. And Little Mermaid is excellent. Emperor's New Groove was hilarious. Lilo and Stich was cute and made me.... cry... >.< a bit... I enjoyed Brother Bear and it made me get weepy too. I seem to be getting sentimental in my old age. But Kiki's Delivery Service beats all. It's one of the most delightful movies ever!
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Syn, I've seen most of Miyazaki's available films, and they're wonderful, no doubt about it.
I still think Beauty and the Beast is as good as any of them. You may not agree, but you're as welcome to your opinion as I am to mine. Posts: 4077 | Registered: Jun 2003
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Icky, are you asking me? I've seen Hercules, and I think it's alright; I actually felt about the same about Lilo and Stitch, so I don't disagree with you there. I just don't think they have the same magic that films like Lion King and Beauty and the Beast do. This doesn't mean I turn off Toon Disney when they come on, though.
I think it's a matter of personal taste, really. I mean, in my immediate family, my brother's favorite is Aladdin, and my sister's is The Little Mermaid. And I, of course, am well-known as the Beauty and the Beast fanatic. For one birthday (14 or 15, I think), my parents actually bought us front row seats to the Disney on Ice Beauty and the Beast show. Not as good as the movie, of course, but it was still a pretty wonderful experience, since it had all the songs. Posts: 4077 | Registered: Jun 2003
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Apart from its partnership with Pixar, Disney was already well on its way down the path to another "dark age" like the one it went through in the 70's-80's. During that period, Disney completely lost its way, making (with a very few glowing exceptions) stinker after stinker, and almost completely losing its audience. I remember very well the phenomenon that was The Little Mermaid, which single-handedly revived the Disney tradition of great animated movies.
Perhaps, now that they have Pixar on board permanently, as well as some new blood, they can reverse their course and prevent the slide into that same old oblivion.
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And, actually, as someone who uses TV as background noise in the house, I can tell you that the half-hour cartoon based on Hercules doesn't entirely suck, either. It's very tongue-in-cheek and cute (though it does continue the butchery of Greek mythology).
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Robin Hood was precisely what I was thinking of when I mentioned "a few glowing exceptions".
I also liked The Rescuers okay, and the Fox and the Hound, and especially Pete's Dragon, but I suspect that the reason for that might have mostly been the lack of other good animated films with which to compare them. They were all we were getting.
For a while there, Disney seemed to be putting all of its energy into making incredibly stupid live-action kid movies. Guess how many of those are remembered fondly today?
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quote:Perhaps you care about the quality of the animation? Whereas I do not.
Oh no, the level of animation in Disney feature films has been consistently excellent all these years. I have nothing but respect for the animators working at Disney.
We didn't like Lilo and Stitch because we found it poorly written and insulting, couldn't connect with any of the characters, and didn't care what happened to any of them. And it's not like we have trouble enjoying children's entertainment... we love Harry Potter, the Fairly Oddparents, the Pixar films, Sesame Street... and Sword in the Stone and the Iron Giant are at the top of my favorite films of all time. Posts: 1681 | Registered: Jun 2004
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That part was so cute I liked when she took pictures of fat people and said they were beautiful and the whole weather fish thing. It really was a cute movie. And the Elvis part. and that big social worker
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I know that my love for the movie "Pocahontas" is completely irrational. It has to do with the situation of life I was in when I first saw it. I was at a major crossroads of my life, so much of the movie hit really close to home.
I love the movie "A Walk in the Clouds" for similar reasons.
Part of why "Lilo and Stitch" failed to move me was that I couldn't find Stitch's transformation believable. The suspension of disbelief never happened for me. I ended up feeling that I had just been fed a load of crap.
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I liked Hercules -- the songs were really fun, I dug the story, and I bought into the 'spirals and pastels' style of it, though I'm no connoseiur of animation.
I liked Lilo and Stitch because it had fantastic one-liners and I really loved the interaction between Noni and Lilo.
I loved Emperor's New Groove because of Kronk. The only reason I haven't broken down to rent Kronk's New Groove is because I know, as a disney sequel, it'll suck. I know that, but still! Kronk! ENG also had some fabulous one-liners in it. "Yaaaay! I'm a llama again!"
I didn't think I'd like The Incredibles or Finding Nemo, but Pixar has won my respect in their ability to produce visually stunning films with a great story for both kids and grown-ups. I'm seeing Cars the first chance I get, even though they feel sort of reminiscent of Chevron commercials. The only one I don't automatically love is the very first Toy Story, and that wins my respect just by being the very first one of its kind.
I'm really sad that Disney now owns Pixar. Pixar doesn't *need* Disney--They can sell Pixar films on their own merits. Though I really was happy to hear that Disney scrubbed Toy Story 3--it displayed class I hadn't thought possible from them. Maybe it'll work out. Maybe.
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quote: Though I really was happy to hear that Disney scrubbed Toy Story 3--it displayed class I hadn't thought possible from them.
I dunno. Did they scrap it to win favor in the eyes of Pixar? This *is* the company that shamelessly churns out sub-par sequels non-stop.
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Emperor's New Groove, while horrendously animated, was very funny. I really enjoyed all the "little things in the background"
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