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But he had to see what was on the front to realize what is was. Unless you think he looked right past the girl and read the title.
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Well, the FUNNY bit was how he HELD it, not whether he read it or not. To continue with the analogy, it would be like handing a Jew a paper-wrapped pork loin. It's still not NICE, but it's far from mean.
(And PSI, I solemnly guarantee you that the front cover of Playboy is newsstand -- and Mormon -- friendly. Heck, the vast majority of Playboy is typical magazine fare; Josh had a better than 50% chance, even had he flipped it open, of encountering nothing more dangerous than an article about the Google IPO.)
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At least you stuck to your guns, AJ. Is this the one your mom wants you to go to in order to assuage her guilt for missing it?
I've found bluntness to shorten such conversations considerably. Really, what else could she have said? If you offer "nice" reasons you leave yourself open to refutation.
quote:I'm stil at work doing an evaporation experiment that is about as exciting as watching paint dry.
Am I the only one who thought this was hysterically funny?
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It isn't the same at all, Tom. What he believes to be sinful about the Playboy is viewing it, and by handing it to him, you made him view it, at least the front.
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1) The equivalent of slipping bacon into kosher food would be sliding naked photos into a copy of a normally PG magazine.
2) Some men do read Playboy for the articles. I know this because my grandfather was blind, and the Braille version doesn’t have pictures.
3) I suspect is was funny because, as discussed on the “humor” thread, unexpected juxtapositions are funny.
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I agree with Tom, the cover of Playboy is actually often more innocuous than that of Glamour or Cosmo. The point is Zev didn't open the magazine, and no one ever (as far as I know) actually attempted to make him do so against his beliefs.
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So it's like putting paper-wrapped bacon on a plate, next to the food. Not evil, but in extremely bad taste.
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quote: It's being part of something that's objectifying.
My understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that it has everything to do with lust and pure or impure thoughts.
Objectification doesn't necessarily equal lust.
AJ
(While I'm not a guy, for me objectification actually can create a barrier of distance between myself and out and out lust making it unreal and isoteric, rather than down and dirty.)
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It was a wrapped birthday present to Zev, and the actual present, the gift certificate, was inside.
It was adorably sweet and thoughtful to give the birthday present, and I'm sure the gift certificate is greatly appreciated. Just...the method wasn't funny.
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Something else, I think. The present was really sweet, and it was very sweet for Zev's birthday to be remembered and celebrated. Posts: 26077 | Registered: Mar 2000
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I believe it was a gift certificate to Borders to -- and here I quote Noah -- "get something you'd actually want." Posts: 37449 | Registered: May 1999
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It was, in my opinion, very funny because of the pure shcok value, and I agree that he handled it perfectly. Josh is a great guy.
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You know, this discussion has made me wonder, if Playboy readership has dropped off, since the advent of the internet. Or maybe they are making more money of their internet site than they are off of the publication.
But clearly it isn't just the titillation that makes people read Playboy. You can get that easily and often cheaper via the internet or TV or Victoria's secret catalogs. I'm guessing it is the image and lifestyle that Hugh Hefner cultivated which seems somehow classier than most of the other comparable magazines.
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I would think most men get Playboy for the articles and the fiction. The kind of erotica that Playboy does--airbrushed women with fake boobs--is pretty much passe. Most men prefer looking at 'real' women, if they want to look at naked women. As you noted, this kind of thing can be done for free on the internet.
edit: Which is to say that men don't buy Playboy for the 'lifestyle that Hugh Hefner created'.
Finally, Banna, if we are your family can I be that strange fun uncle that nobody talks much about but who ends up showing up at all the reuions smelling funny.
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quote:Finally, Banna, if we are your family can I be that strange fun uncle that nobody talks much about but who ends up showing up at all the reuions smelling funny.
I didn't think that role was really assigned - I thought it was just kind of earned. So you want to be strange, fun, and funny-smelling. I haven't met you in person, so I can't comment on the third criteria. But you're a shoo-in for the first two.
Dagonee P.S. Apparantly I was the only who thought the "evaporation/paint dry" line was funny...
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"So it's like putting paper-wrapped bacon on a plate, next to the food. Not evil, but in extremely bad taste."
This is my feeling exactly. (Sveta is a wise and wonderful person.) It was in extremely bad taste, though of course meant as harmless fun. It's only harmless if taken from the point of view that pr0n is basically harmless. People who have made the choice to avoid it because they don't believe it IS harmless don't have that point of view, obviously. When you are outraging someone's innocence, what defines the degree of outrage occurring is THEIR level of innocence, not your own.
In any case Joshy handled it beautifully, by all accounts. Three cheers for Joshy ... and an affectionate cyber-pillow smack to the head for baby brother Noah.
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First of all. I'm not upset at anyone about the whole thing, it was meant in jest. A good laugh was has had. I was slightly embarrassed. Noah managed to bring up my birthday which I had been so avoiding, and well, Hatrackers are awesome.
Tom, "there is NOTHING more panicked and desperate-looking than a Mormon kid holding a Playboy." I'm sure it was hillarious, honestly, I can see the humor. I did panick and was flustered. There were camera's all over, and well, I REALLY didn't want to have a picture of me with a copy of Playboy.
Throughout the whole time I never told anyone it was wrong of them to be reading it. I'm not saying that it is. I just expressed my desire to not be associated with it. There's a lot of things going on in my life right now, and well, there are some standards that I personally have decided that are worth adhering to. Just make my life a lot simpler. It would be too easy for me to have simply gone along and read it. But it would have comprimising my own decisions to have done so.
Not only would have it harmed my own opinion of myself, I think it would have been harmful to others' opinion of me. What makes this such a memorable event? Why are we even having this conversation? Because I DIDN"T look at it. If I would have just gave in and looked at it, would it have even been something you noticed? Maybe so. But I would have felt much less of myself afterwards.
I didn't consider holding or looking at the front cover sinful. I've been exposed to a lot worse than playboy. I'm not going to go into what and or why I actually consider sinful about it, or why I decided to not read it. Dosesn't matter. It's just a personal conviction that I was able to keep true to.
AJ, no on attempted to make me read it or look at it. Which I am grateful for. I love my Hatrack Family. And boy, Noah knows just how to push my buttons, but jeez, I still love him. I guess that's what brothers are for :-P
(There was a Barnes and Nobels gift card tucked inside it that I made Noah dig out for me, which he did with out as much as giving me a weird look.)
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Hee hee, knowing me, if I didn't want to look at it I would have gone with the "Throwing it across the room" method to make the birthday card fall out.
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Thanks for posting, Josh -- I saw the incident and thought you handled it well. But I could never tell if you were really offended (I considered it in poor taste, but would have been really upset if they had deeply offended you).
So you pretty much have answered the questions and closed the case.
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