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mack, someday I hope you'll post something of the process that led you to join the LDS. Unless it's too personal of course. I just find people's spiritual journeys intensely fascinating.
As for being a leader, if God calls you, you won't get much choice. If you aren't called in that way, it doesn't make you a lesser person, or even less holy. We all have our purpose and our talents.
I think your photography speaks for itself, for example. If anyone can capture the "soul" of a place or a person, it's you.
Maybe the "eye" that helps you do that so well will help you to see other people and what they need.
The main thing is that you try to remain open to waht God is asking of you, and that you appreciate God's sense of humor. Might as well enjoy it, if you can!
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As a relatively immodest guy, I think skirts are only considered "modest" by people who are too modest to consider that they make all the fun bits easier to both see and reach.
In general, the more immodest someone is, the more appealing and immodest they find skirts. Which, I'm sure, dismays the people who're wearing skirts because they incorrectly find them modest. *grin*
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Tom, I agree if we're talking about short skirts. But I was referring to loose, knee-length or longer skirts. Those are only immodest (IMO) when walking over a grate. Posts: 32919 | Registered: Mar 2003
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Congrats Jamie! Thanks for letting me share in your day. Sounds like a wonderful weekend!
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Congrats, mack! Great pics, too. It's easy to see that you are very happy.
I think you and Dave may have ridden poor Katie a bit hard, though I'm sure it was all in fun.
And, I , um, agree with Tom. [WOOT! WOOT TMI ALERT!] Though long, flowing past-the-knee skirts are actually the most modest choice for public or semi-public nooky. 'Cause if you get caught, nobody actually sees any of the naughty bits. [/TMI ALERT]
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I think this remark demands a response from one of the members of LDS on the forum.
Maybe I am reading into it, but at the time it was posted, it seemed to me that the person who said it may have been offended by all the joking about heathens in this thread.
Her next post was to say she decided she wasn't going to Kamacon, after all, and that she had decided she doesn't really belong at Hatrack. She hasn't posted since.
I waited for someone to respond to the comment, but no one ever did. It was just ignored. I still believe a response is needed.
Just my two cents worth.
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When I saw the post and the KamaCon post, I wrote to Theca, and I got a response back on...Saturday, I think. I think Mack's also written to her. I am still thinking about how best to respond, and one idea was to start a thread saying "This is was Mormons think of NonMormons.", because it is absolutely terrible for anyone to feel left out, disrespcted, or in any way anything but loved and treasured. If you think it's warranted, I'll do it during my lunch hour - I have a project this morning that's requiring my attention.
For now, for quick - oh my gosh, please, for the sake of us all, don't leave and turn this into Nauvoo!!!! The wildly different opinions and people are part of what I love and adore about Hatrack.
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I hope Theca wasn't offended by it-since reading this thread, it was joking around, I thought-but if she was, so it's clear, I don't think she is a heathen.
My personal opinion on 'non-believers' from a new LDS perspective. I think that I've got the right idea `bout eternity, but also recognize numerous Biblical passages that point out the importance of being a good person FIRST.
That aside, let's say that there's me an a non-LDS person who are equally good (which is, lemme tell ya, tough to be ). What does that mean? It means that I think I'm (maybe) six months closer to God than they are, in view of Eternity.
Which ain't nothin' to brag about.
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I honestly think that if anyone has a right to joke about "heathens" it is LDS people. This is because fundamentalist Christians do routinely refer to them (and Catholics, but more so to LDS) as "heathens" all the time.
Growing up I heard my mother make frequent references to her "heathen Mormon aunt". She wasn't joking, she really believes that her aunt is a "Heathen". Funny, I now get along with that aunt better than my Mother...
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Okay, let me finish this accounting manual twaddle and I'll write it during lunch. I have a big meeting at 1:00 for the same manual, so if it isn't posted during lunch, it will be after the meeting.
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quote:For now, for quick - oh my gosh, please, for the sake of us all, don't leave and turn this into Nauvoo!!!! The wildly different opinions and people are part of what I love and adore about Hatrack.
I have no intention of leaving. But I also would not want to see other people because of incorrect perceptions about how they may be viewed by others on the forum.
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Yeah, I'm sure that to some extent 'heathen' was being thrown around in a lighthearted manner, but as much as 'no harm is intended', it can have an effect. I wonder how many people would rather not deal with that in this one little space.
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You may well be right, Celia. But then again...sensibilities will always be offended in an open community. Shall the users of the word 'heathen'-whether lighthearted or not (though I think they are)-then ask those who use other terms to refrain from doing so?
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I hadn't realize the connotations of the word "heathen." I think partly because I was raised in the South as a non Southern Baptist and got referred to as a heathen so much that I blew it off. I knew I wasn't a heathen, whatever it was.
In how I used it that weekend, it was that worldly, dry, sharp oft dirty minded humor that people can have. As in...my own sense of humor.
That's right. I'm still a heathen.
I guess it's...hmm. I just have no reaction to the word anymore, because I heard it so much and felt it untrue, that I don't give any weight to it.
Much the same as Father Benedict called my class heretics all the time.
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quote:I guess it's...hmm. I just have no reaction to the word anymore, because I heard it so much and felt it untrue, that I don't give any weight to it.
I guess you can't assume that other people don't give it weight, just because you don't...
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No, I called today. Doc doesn't think it's related to my vaccine shot (dammit) but said it'd be good for me to be evaluated.
I DID see the physical therapist today about my left shoulder and at first he thought we could get away with me doing different stretches at home.
THEN he decided that I was in more pain than I let on. So I have to see him at least three more times. Posts: 14745 | Registered: Dec 1999
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I figured I was overtired from that weekend. Am also tired of going to the doctor and having him saying "I have no idea what's wrong" and feeling like a moron.
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Not exactly. 'Cause then someone else would be getting picked on. More like...because so many times what I was told was untrue, the words that were used became meaningless.
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It was almost certainly not ONLY Heinlein who ever said it, but he was where I first read the idea that all humor-anything that induces laughter-is or could be hurtful to someone or something.
Haven't been able to think of an instance where it isn't.
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Hey Icarus, how about "It's an entirely different type of flying altogether" "It's an entirely different type of flying" Posts: 4393 | Registered: Aug 2003
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Rakeesh, are you thinking of the scene in Stranger in a Strange Land where Valentine is trying to figure out why people laugh (he never does), then finally decides that people laugh because it hurts so much?
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Which, I'm sure, dismays the people who're wearing skirts because they incorrectly find them modest. *grin*
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So I have to see him at least three more times. 
