quote: Why is it that men and women can't be friends if they knew each other before they married different people? I mean, I certainly hope I have several of the same female friends I do now, after I get married...
Holy cow, man. Have you never seen When Harry Met Sally?!?
quote: Harry Burns: You realize of course that we could never be friends. Sally Albright: Why not? Harry Burns: What I'm saying is - and this is not a come-on in any way, shape or form - is that men and women can't be friends because the sex part always gets in the way. Sally Albright: That's not true. I have a number of men friends and there is no sex involved. Harry Burns: No you don't. Sally Albright: Yes I do. Harry Burns: No you don't. Sally Albright: Yes I do. Harry Burns: You only think you do. Sally Albright: You say I'm having sex with these men without my knowledge? Harry Burns: No, what I'm saying is they all WANT to have sex with you. Sally: They do not! Harry: Do to. Sally: They do not. Harry: Do to. Sally: How do you know? Harry: Because no man can be friends with a woman that he finds attractive. He always wants to have sex with her. Sally: So, you're saying that a man can be friends with a woman he finds unattractive? Harry: No. You pretty much want to nail 'em too. Sally: What if THEY don't want to have sex with YOU? Harry: Doesn't matter because the sex thing is already out there so the friendship is ultimately doomed and that is the end of the story. Sally: Well, I guess we're not going to be friends then. Harry: I guess not. Sally: That's too bad. You were the only person I knew in New York.
Actually, my goal is to catch Pod, who is still about a thousand posts ahead of me even though he doesn't post much nowadays.
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Yes, but something tells me that this particular friend isn't one of them. I think maybe it was the "I'm in love with her" thing Posts: 10886 | Registered: Feb 2000
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yeah, but I'm not convinced that this is a hindrance to friendship either, as I'm still friendly with the two people I've been serious with (even though one is married )
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Persistant unrequited love with do a number on your self-esteem. You're worth more than that. That'll kill you.
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Maybe you can friends again when you are over her, then.
But you don't slide from worship to bonhomie without a fight. It doesn't look like willpower is going to do it.
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But anyway, let me reiterate. You say you aren't sure she knows how you feel. Well, she needs to find out (again, no weepy confessional speech allowed). If she doesn't reciprocate your feelings it'd probably be best if you spent less time with her (if you live in the same area) or talked to her much less (if you don't) for a while.
quote: In 1676 Cyrano's collected works appeared, which included a biting poem of Mazarin (1602-61), the famous French cardinal and statesman. Rostand's Cyrano de Bergerac describes the adventures of the 17th century nobleman, famous for his large nose and swordsmanship. "'Tis well known, a big nose is indicative / Of a soul affable, and kind, and courteous, / Liberal, brave, just like myself, and such / As you can never dare to dream yourself..." Cyrano desperately loves the beautiful Roxane, but agrees to help his rival, Christian, win her heart. The historians have pointed out that Rostand's portrayal of the hero was not truthful - Cyrano was a serious writer of philosophical romances and a virile lover.
Actually, his real life story is more interesting than the made-up one.
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Hollywood has glossed over the ending again.
quote:It is fifteen years later in a convent outside of Paris. Roxane lives as a secluded widow. Every week, Cyrano comes to give her news from the world. Two of Cyrano's friends arrive to visit, and privately they confer - Cyrano has been attacked, and he's close to death. Neither one knows how to tell Roxane. They go to check on Cyrano's condition, just as Cyrano comes to visit Roxane. He starts reading her his weekly report, then he grows weak, and asks to see the last letter Christian wrote to her. She gives it to him, and he begins reading it to her. Roxane realizes that Cyrano knows the letter by heart, and she figures out that it was Cyrano writing to her all along. Cyrano admits it, and explains that he's only telling her because he's dying. He asks Roxane if she could mourn both him and Christian in her heart, and she agrees. Cyrano composes one last poem while fencing with an invisible enemy, and then finally, he dies.
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Cyrano de Bergerac most certainly did not get the girl in the end. After helping one of his soldiers to woo his love interest / close friend, he kept his feelings hidden even when the aforementioned soldier was killed in a war. The girl became a nun, and Cyrano stayed friends with her. He didn't tell her until he was about to die, and then promptly died.
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Kat - You and I are just people of action. I don't think we could have stood not telling the object of our desire how we felt, even if it ended badly for us.
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But is all so pointless. It's like those romantic comedies where the only obstacle to the two getting together is, you know, deciding to get over it!
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Yeah, I'll admit Ralphie and I do have widely differing views on the relative merits of pining. I see it as harmless fun, a worthwhile and enriching pastime, though only in moderation, of course. Ralphie doesn't see the point.
I guess that's why I go for black. It's all silence and negation.
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