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Icarus
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[Roll Eyes]
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Smashed me? How? The fact that Hitler used the Jews as a Scapegoat dies not change the fact that he did not create the Jews as a scapegoat.

They were a traditional scapegoat going back to Egypt! If Hitler was a product of an anti-sematic society and he further amplified that hate, then it is certain that it was there to work with ahead of time.

I could not be less anti sematic, however I have no fear of words and no fear of those who cannot keep up with them.

Still it is a thread about free speech neh? Let us see how free speech is in a free society.

BC

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*sigh*

BC, AH was trying to be cute. He was referring back to this post in the original thread. You just had the good luck to be his target.

[ December 23, 2003, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: rivka ]

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Hitler used the scapegoating tactic to solidify his leadership through his will and charisma. Hitler wanted power. He wanted control.

Ender did not scapegoat--those who controlled him did. Ender did not want to be a leader. Ender did not want to be in power. But he ended up having to take up power to free himself from oppression, perceived or otherwise.

And...telling someone to shut up isn't a violation of free speech. The other person is as able to tell you to shut up even more loudly. [Wink]

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How about three full circles plus a loop?

Hitler SOUGHT power.

Ender did NOT.

Nyahh.

[Razz]

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Additionally, there's quite a difference between Hitler's targets -- Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, disabled people; and Ender's (or more accurately, the targets he was aimed at) -- aliens who could not be reasoned with, who had twice attacked Earth. The first was scapegoating groups with little or no power, who were not an actual threat. In the case of the buggers, "scapegoating" was far from the entire truth.
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