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Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
This is SF, 3700 words. I had a goal to submit it by the end of April. Want to help? Comments on this fragment are welcome, but I'd also like to have some folks read the whole thing.

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Vanessa studied the scar on the back of her hand as she pretended to ignore the couple arguing beside her. Iliath and Geroth would probably never notice the slight blemish. They were Husiths, the sentient species on a planet a lifetime away from Earth. To her eyes, Husiths were ugly, lumpy creatures with skin like mealworms. Hundreds of supple fingers bristled from their underbellies, expressing their moods and providing traction as they inched through underground cities.

Geroth had asked her to turn off her cameras as soon as the argument started. It was no wonder; he and Iliath had repeated variations of the same discussion a dozen times over the last month. There was no need to include one more sample in the documentary of his life. Iliath wanted Geroth to undergo Chrysalis. Geroth wanted to stave it off until he finished his mathematical treatise.

 


Posted by mikemunsil (Member # 2109) on :
 
Certainly, ship it my way, please.
 
Posted by jimmyjazz951 (Member # 2443) on :
 
I would be happy to if you can hold out until Monday or Tuesday.
 
Posted by GZ (Member # 1374) on :
 
I can take a look.
 
Posted by Jeraliey (Member # 2147) on :
 
I would really REALLY love to read it. Your stuff is always an interesting read, and this idea sounds fascinating.

Unfortunately, I'm still swamped with college-y, graduation-y stuff. Can I read it anyway (pretty please)?

I will write you a critique, I promise. I just can't promise (or even predict) when it will show up....

If not, that's ok too. Let me know!
 


Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
I've sent it off. Thanks!
 
Posted by limo (Member # 2470) on :
 
If you need another reader I'd be happy to.
 
Posted by Beth (Member # 2192) on :
 
I am kind of swamped right now, but you can put me on the list for the next version if you want.
 
Posted by Lanius (Member # 2482) on :
 
I'd be happy to read it.
 
Posted by Kolona (Member # 1438) on :
 
I'd be happy to give it a go, Mary.
 
Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
Ah, me too!

Comments on this opening, I think that it could be rearranged a bit. A rough re-cut might look like this.

quote:
Vanessa studied the scar on the back of her hand as she pretended to ignore the couple arguing beside her. Geroth had asked her to turn off her cameras as soon as the argument started. It was no wonder; he and Iliath had repeated variations of the same discussion a dozen times over the last month. There was no need to include one more sample in the documentary of his life. It didn't take much effort to seem more interested in her own hand.

Iliath and Geroth would probably never notice the slight blemish. They were Husiths, the sentient species on a planet a lifetime away from Earth. To her eyes, Husiths were ugly, lumpy creatures with skin like mealworms. Hundreds of supple fingers bristled from their underbellies, expressing their moods and providing traction as they inched through underground cities. She certainly wouldn't notice a blemish on either of them, and the reverse seemed probable. Besides, they had other things to talk about.

Iliath wanted Geroth to undergo Chrysalis. Geroth wanted to stave it off until he finished his mathematical treatise.

Italics are mine


This isn't necessarily the way you want the opening structured, the point is to make sure that the narrative has a progression that makes sense, one idea leading to the next.

Anyway, I hope you got the time dilation aspects under control and everything.
 


Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
I dealt with the time dilation issues by cutting them.

Thanks, all, for the offers. Let me digest the first round of responses and then I'll send it over.

[This message has been edited by MaryRobinette (edited April 23, 2005).]
 


Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
Guh?!! They were a major parallel to the plot, weren't they?

Oh well
 


Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
Yeah...well, that was the plan. My crit group universally thought that it was an irrelevent thread, so I'm trying a draft without it. I've sent you both.
 
Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
I'll look forward to it.
 
Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
Yikes! You haven't gotten it yet? I suppose it's just as well, because GZ made some good points which I've incorportated. I just sent them again.
 
Posted by Christine (Member # 1646) on :
 
Of course, I've already read a version of this but I just thought I'd mention that this opening is a lot clearer.
 
Posted by enwalker (Member # 2515) on :
 
I might have time tomorrow - send it to me.
 
Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
Oh yeah, Christine? You think that opening is clearer? Well what about this one?

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Vanessa cleaned the lens of her camera as she pretended to ignore Geroth and Iliath arguing beside her. As soon as the argument had started, Geroth asked Vanessa to turn off her cameras. There was no need to include one more sample in the documentary of his life.

Geroth and his betrothed brayed their points like sea-lions mating. Russ, her audio guy, was probably loving that. He never seemed to get tired of the cries of Husiths, the sentient species on a planet a lifetime away from Earth. Over the last month, he must have recorded dozens of variations of the same discussion.

Iliath wanted Geroth to undergo Chrysalis. Geroth wanted to stave it off until he finished his mathematical treatise.

[This message has been edited by MaryRobinette (edited April 25, 2005).]
 


Posted by Three Minute Egg (Member # 2523) on :
 
I've read the entire thread, and I like the latest version. Three points:

There was no need to include one more sample (of their perpetual disagreement) in the documentary of his life.

Geroth and his betrothed brayed their points like sea-lions mating. <==== Great stuff!!

Over the last month, he (Vanessa? She?) must have recorded dozens of variations of the same discussion.

Geroth wanted to stave it off until he finished his mathematical treatise. - I might have chosen "forestall" instead of "stave it off", only because "forestall" has the word "stall" which he is trying to do, and "stave it off" sounds like he is trying to stop it forever (although he isn't)

Either way, this sounds interesting and is very readable thus far.


 


Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
Um! That is a much better opening.
 
Posted by Jeraliey (Member # 2147) on :
 
::nod::
 
Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
Thanks. ThreeMinuteEgg, I just changed the text a bit to deal with point three. Is it still an issue for you?

Point one is a good, but I'm too jet-lagged to fix it right now.

And point two? That's crazy talk, man.
 


Posted by limo (Member # 2470) on :
 
I have read the entire story and put off giving an email reply while this thread wandered interesting paths. The fix of the start is great, it was the one thing that needed doing to make the story work. Excellent writing and tale. I hope I can write like that when I grow up.
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Posted by Doc Brown (Member # 1118) on :
 
The second opening is far superior. Bravo.

The first sentence is still clumsy, though. The emotional part (ignoring an argument) is important, the mundane part (cleaning a lens) is not. Why do you lead with the mundane? It makes your narrator self-absorbed in subtle ways. Is this what you intended?

I'd be honored to read it when you have a suitable draft ready, MaryRobinette.
 


Posted by EverGlowingHaze (Member # 2525) on :
 
I like the beginning line talking about her cleaning her camera lens. It seems as though the narrator is trying to distract the reader from what is going on as well. I'm not sure if this is what you intended, but that's how I read it. It shows that the cleaning of the lens is not as mundane as what is happening in the background. I liked it.

If you still have people reading the whole thing I would gladly take a look at it for you.
 


Posted by Doc Brown (Member # 1118) on :
 
I didn't say I dislike the camera lens. Actually I do like it. I asked MaryRobinette why she put it first. Readers digest a story as a series of cause-and-effect moments, and if the lens cleaning is an effect caused by the argument then putting the argument first makes it easier on the mental digestion process.

Of course you should not make your scenes into pablum, either. So I'll reword my question:

Was the choice to put cause after effect conscious or unconscious?
 


Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
Is this a question you want me to answer here, or was it a question designed to make me think about the text? I thought it was a rhetoric, but since you've asked twice I'll answer.

It was a concious choice. Although I understand and agree with the idea of cause and effect, I also think that one can look at structure in terms of focus. So, the effect I wanted was to start with an outside focus by beginning with what she is apparently doing. In other words, from an outside point of view, Vanessa is simply cleaning her lens. But then we "zoom in" to the inside, to what she's thinking.

So that's why I did it that way. Did it work?

The part I'm unhappy with is the transition from sentence two to sentence three. It seems abrupt, but I have larger issues in the story itself, so I'll handle that bit of wordsmithery when I have motivations ironed out.
 


Posted by DragonfireEast (Member # 2498) on :
 

If you are willing I would like to read the rest of what you have written for this piece. One of the harder things to do in Sci-Fi is to make aliens seem alien and I like what you have done with them so far. Thank you.
 
Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
I liked the fact that she was cleaning her lens because I know it's an unnecessary action that she's doing for the sake of appearing uninvolved. You practically say she pretended to clean her lens...that's how I read it anyway.

That tells us a lot about her character. It's a great establishing shot for your POV.
 


Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
Okay--Here's a new begining again.

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Vanessa cleaned the lens of her camera as she pretended to ignore Geroth and Iliath arguing beside her. This abrupt halt of the day's work was becoming unbearably regular. Even if Geroth had not asked her to, Vanessa might have turned the camera off as soon as Iliath had said, "Beloved, would you look at the invitation list for your Hatching Day?"

Which left Vanessa to remove imaginary fingerprints from her lens while Geroth and his betrothed brayed their points like sea-lions mating. Hundreds of supple fingers bristled from their underbellies, expressing their moods as the argument went round in circles. Iliath reared on her tail, like a column of living marble, in response to Geroth's anger. Vanessa almost wished she had not taken the trouble to learn the language of the Husiths, the sentient species on Husa.

[This message has been edited by MaryRobinette (edited May 04, 2005).]
 


Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
Hmm?

I like this version, though the last line seems a bit slow, and the exposition isn't really necessary by that point.

But what are we looking at here?
 


Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
Yep. I can remove that last bit.

What we're looking at is an attempt to deal with the repeated comments of "nice story, it's slow starting," which I think has to do with the amount of introspection/exposition at the beginning. So, I'm trying to tighten it and get to the first conflict point faster.
 


Posted by rickfisher (Member # 1214) on :
 
Well . . . I like the beginning just before this one better. Especially given your reasons: this one seems to get to the point slower, to me. Both frags are 13 manuscript lines. In 13 lines of the previous version, we'd already found out why they were arguing, as well as gotten our introduction to Russ out of the way.
 


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