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angelo
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Hey... I've been on hatrack for like three years but I figured that being a young-writing-hermit/vbser was good enough. This is the opening of a short story, can someone pass their eyes over it?

The rain was rioting on top of the tin roof. The foot falls stamped on-- spelling disaster for any hopes of the leaks subsiding as fluid soldiers swept through the holes and ditches of the pleated metal. Bowls were sent there like trenches to catch the flying airmen but to no avail, they spilled over and bathed the dirt in gullies and rivulets. When it seemed the pots would fill to their breaking point a hand would nimbly grab the rim and toss the contents outside with a futile sigh. The tide was rising now and everything on the shore was silenced but for the seagulls and slow scuttling of crabs. God's finger, a vertical torrent, had dipped into the water and wandered sightlessly passed the shore, weaving in and out of the water like a child painting.


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Huh?
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Well, it may be a matter of taste, but I found it verbally excessive.

There are too many metaphors in this passage. The rain is rioters, soldiers, airmen, and God's finger.

Hands don't sigh.

Pots don't usually break just by being filled.

Rain on a tin roof is loud, which means the scuttling of the crabs would not be audible.

etc.

I think the major problem is you are trying too hard to write with "style," rather than to write a story.

You obviously have a character in the hut who is bothered by the rain. Give us that character. Let us know what he observes, what he thinks about the sound of rain on a leaky tin roof. The image of God's finger weaving in and out of the water like a child painting is an interesting one -- let that be your character's thought on observing the pattern of the rainstorm, rather than just be something you, as the author, are telling the reader.


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Christine
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Ohhhh! You were talking about *rain* the whole time! I thought there were arimen dropping onto the roof.

An important rule taken from OSC "How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy" is the following: In SciFi and Fantasy, it is an absolute crime to use metaphors in the introduction. We are literalists. If you say airmen are dropping on the roof, then I'll think airmen are dropping on the roof. Fluid soldiers, to me, sounded like an alien race of water demons. I was not prepared to take this as a flower literal work. (And to be honest, even if I was, it was excessively metaphored, as Eric already pointed out.)

So let me whole-heartedly echo Eri'c sentiment...stop trying so hard to sound sophisticated and just tell us a story.


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angelo
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I am, admittedly, figuratively heavy handed. But some people do it well and I'm actively pursuing that level of writing. The verbal abuse is consistent with the rest of the story and sometimes works out well... sometimes not, of course.

I didn't plainly say it was raining, or the *child* sighed because I wanted that to be sort of ambiguous and to passively introduce a human being in all of this. Besides, the whole story is about a hurricane... so I probably should have explained that. And the scuttling and silence was sort of reference to the quite before a storm. Foreshadowing...


So I should introduce people? There are four unnamed kids in a shack, does that work? What should I make the introduction longer?

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Everyone in the hut held tight to one another, channeling life as if through body heat. "The closer the better," one said. If anyone wondered why, their concerns were muted as the roof turned into a wild animal, ripping apart. Suicidal, it sliced itself to fanning shreds as it desperately threatened to carve the children. Its jaws flew open like the gaping gates of hell and like a wicked beast it howled so deep and foul, the boys and girls scattered in fear of the jagged, flailing fangs. The daggers loomed and lurched overhead, seizing in the wind, shimming with a full vocabulary of horrible speeches. All the children buried their heads into the chest of the oldest holding tight, knuckles brown and soaked as their clothes were ravaged by the winds and glassy sand. What will we do? The platform, in response, decided it was best to leave them all stranded. It began to huff as its knees buckled at the screws and were torn to splintering shards that splashed and sprayed suspended before them, then shimmering, were gone.

Now, I'm new to this place so if I've just done anything incredibly remedial, forgive me.


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Okay, my padwan learner, by all means, introduce the people -- but let go of the force. This reads a little too much like running in place -- we're all breathless but haven't gotten anywhere. And why would you want to passively introduce a human being into a hurricane?

Is this omniscient POV? If it's any other kind, words like 'everyone,' 'one,' and 'anyone' keep the reader at a distance. MHO is that you'd be far better off focusing on one of the unnamed kids (unnamed in that the text doesn't give their names or they don't actually have names?) and letting us experience all this through him/her.

Trying to learn an aspect of writing that you admire is admirable. Figurative writing, however, done well, is usually done sparingly. A little goes a long way.



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I have to admit when I read the first version, I too thought that alien water soldiers were dropping onto the roof.

The key to writing with metaphors is to not let these stylistic devices interfere with your actual plot and characterisation. You say that your story is about a hurricane. What is going to happen? Is the roof going to collapse? What is the catalyst?

Short stories are difficult to write in the sense that you can't have all description. I'm sure that there are some places willing to publish it, but most places won't. To be honest, I've never seen a short story that seems to be written entirely with the purpose of using stylistic devices.

Honestly, to me, it doesn't seem like much of a story to just be describing a hurricane. It is really nice description, and I admire how you're trying to emulate the authors who use stylistic devices really well, but we need a plot. Something to sink our teeth into.

With your second version, I have to agree that I felt like I was running but getting absolutely nowhere. I've read novels where the author spends three pages describing a tree. And I always, without fail, skip over all descriptions over two lines long. Succint descriptions are the best. If you can lessen it, then lessen it.

What is going to happen? Give us some forshadowing of that.

One of the only stylistic authors I've read is the author of The God of Small Things. Roy uses stylistic devices but doesn't let them impede her plot. That's the mark of a good author.


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In your second version, you used simile hand in hand with metaphor so at the very least, there was no room for confusion that you were likening things rather than stating literal truths. This, in my view, was na improvement. Also, the human element helped, but I have to agree that I felt like I was standing in place.

Out of curiosity...who are you trying to emulate? I know of very few authors who use such heavy-handed language *constantly* and I'm afraid that if I ran accross them I wouldn't read the book. Who is it that really inspired you?


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Well see I don't exactly love the books with the insane metaphors and similes, either, I just am making an attempt to write that way. When I write normally I just put 'some stank on it,' so to speak, when it's something important or I have a chance to make something vivid.

Let's see... who usually puts me to sleep... John Knowles who I needed shock therapy to get through or Erich Maria Remarque who described a cherry tree for about three pages. But mainly I was thinking Poe... it seems sometimes like he's intentionally trying to confuse you. When Poe writes he's usually talking to the writer... in this piece I was trying to reduce the importance of the people and make what's going on around them my focus...

But all these people are considered remarkable writers so whatever their secret is that's what I'm trying to find. At what point is writing like this acceptable, at what point is it good, even? I guess that's what I'm trying to figure out.


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Christine
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That's an excellent question, actually. I tell you what, I'm going to dig around my storage books for the collection of short stories by Poe. I haven't read them recently enough to remember what it is he does that's so good. I'm going to give it a read and see if I can't figure out what he's done that might help you, now that I understand what you're going for.
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quote:
I was sick -- sick unto death with that long agony; and when they at length unbound me, and I was permitted to sit, I felt that my senses were leaving me. The sentence -- the dread sentence of death -- was the last distinct accentuation which reached my ears....Then silence, and stillness, and night were the universe. I had swooned....

Poe's The Pit and the Pendulum is one of my favorites. I had to reference the story for the punctuation and the part between the ellipses, but this beginning is firm in my memory. I love it.

Thumbing through some of Poe's works, I see a more formal English and lots of big words and intricate sentences. Not the stuff today's editors are generally seeking. Even our period pieces reflect a more modern wordage. Yet not to say the right story couldn't defy the odds.

An editor's red pen, though, would levitate and glow over "we apprehended little danger from the violence of the wind; but we looked forward to its total cessation with dismay." (Ms. Found in a Bottle) I found little figurative writing in Poe. He called it as he saw it in his mind, like "the gloom and desolation of the neighboring city." (The Sphinx) He didn't compare that gloom or desolation to anything. He just wrote that it was. He also didn't write "the gloomy desolate neighboring city" and thereby drown us in adjectives.

I don't think Poe is trying to confuse anyone (wouldn't that be counterproductive for a writer?), but I do believe we can't read him as quickly as we normally read others. It might be interesting to know what the 'ease of reading' level is for his work, but I'm too lazy to check. I doubt it'd be 'high ease,' which means the average reader would have some problems.

I'm not sure what you mean that Poe's "usually talking to the writer," but if you're bent on "reducing the importance of people" and focusing on events, I'd suggest that even event-driven stories are character-based. Imagine Lord of the Rings as only a history lesson on Middle Earth.

By all means, try your hand at all the tricks of the trade and don't let any of us here short-circuit that learning experience for you. But do recognize that any one of those tricks, overdone, makes for bad writing.

[This message has been edited by Kolona (edited May 10, 2004).]


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I'm going to disagree with everyone (again).

The metaphors are fine. I liked almost all of them, and only found a couple to be clumsy or excessive.

But it can only be done in POV. As authorial invention, it seems (and probably is) inexcusable. Begin with a single, named, character. Cast everything as that character's observations. Presto, it is the character that is given to semi-nonsensical rambling, not the author.

POV.


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I could do that... I usually have a hard time writing in first person because I don't do it very often at all. Typically I write third person limited and just switch speakers or thinkers as a new chapter or section comes. It's a fade in and out thing... I'm working on it from reading Joyce.

This time I was going for something not hooked on any particular person, but it seems as if it's unanimous that this sort of connection is necessary. You guys talk a lot about editors not liking this or that but I sort of intended on just... writing it to write it...

Anyway thanks a Survivor, you're kind.

Kolon I was thinking more of The Cast of Amontillado or The Black Cat, which open as someone, the protagonist, talking to you directly.

Like in The Black Cat, a good Halloween story if you want to sit around explaining all the words to the kids:

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For the most wild, yet most homely narrative which I am about to pen, I neither expect nor solicit belief. Mad indeed would I be to expect it in a case where my senses reject their own evidence. Yet, I am not mad-- and very surely do I not dream. But tomorrow I die, and today I would unburthen my soul...

Or somewhere roundabouts... I couldn't remember it all so it could be messed up... well that's the gist.

Or in the The Cast of Amontillado:

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The thousand injuries of Fortunato I had borne as I best could, but when he ventured upon insult I vowed revenge. You, who so well know the nature of my soul, will not suppose, however, that I gave utterance to a threat. At length I would be avenged; this was a point definitively settled-- but the very definitiveness with which it was resolved, precluded the idea of risk.

Hmm… lucky I had the book for that one.

Anyway, I think I'm going to work on this some more or create a new project entirely. I'm really interested now in exploring first person and perhaps trying out imitation until I can get the hang of all this. I usually prefer to make the environment invite the character to act, not the character to act independently. Like I would put them in an insane situation (storm) then see how they would react. Well… because I think reaction tells you more or at least as much about a person as action.

I don't think I'm going to write as dated as Poe did, though. The point that Poe did not spend a lot of time with wrestling adjectives is well taken, but I am sort of fond of metaphors.

I must find a balance. But first… to bed.

[This message has been edited by angelo (edited May 12, 2004).]


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Yeah, a first person narrator might work well. About Poe's first person narrators, I don't really find them all that obscure. Really, more often they have a somewhat appalling clarity of perception. Poe does use methaphor and allusion more freely than we are accustomed to seeing in modern writing.

This illustrates one of the great dangers of imitation. We tend to exaggerate the importance of that which we find most unfamiliar and difficult, and thus think that we are imitating the greats when really we're only reflecting those elements that make them inaccessable to modern readers.

The error lies in thinking that it is the abtruse and unintelligible that made their writing great. In fact, the opposite is the case. They remain great because of their accessability, because the mere decades or centuries intervening have not rendered their works into gibberish.


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That's a good point because as Joyce's writing progressed it got harder and harder to understand for critics and his fan club. So those later works lost the backing of his readers. It just didn't... click.

I probably should focus on the stuff that I actually like about Poe and others not whatever style they wrote in. But then again why not look at all of them... Sometimes there's just not an answer to every question, I figure.


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