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Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
So I've got my ideas for NaNoWriMo going. I've got a spaceship full of quirky people, about 6-8 of them. They are a small delivery company.

I'm having trouble figuring out who the main character should be.

There is one group that usually handles the planet-side delivery but that doesn't include the captain or the pilot.

In my planning, the pilot is fast turning out to be the most interesting and complex character.

I don't think I'll be able to keep a tight 3rd person pov on any one character. The idea is somewhat episodic. Should the pov shift which each segment depending on who is most involved? Should I use a more omniscient view?

Any thoughts on how to deal with an ensemble cast like this would be greatly appreciated.
 


Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Several authors are well known for novels with ensemble casts, multiple viewpoint characters, omniscient though objective narrative point of views. Michael Crichton, John Grisham, and Tom Clancy, to name a few. I'm struck by how their novels also wind up made into movies where those features readily translate to stage and screen.

I recently read novels by Crichton and Clancy where thoughts of two viewpoint characters are occasionally depicted in the same paragraph.

Grisham has a tendency to not reveal who's the central character until well into a story, be it a protagonist or a hero.

Clancy relies on a staple character to be taken for granted as a protagonist/hero, Jack Ryan.

Crichton's stories don't typically have a strong character orientation, more event and idea oriented, so that his stories could be said to have no protagonists, though some of his characters emerge as heroes.

I think it's in Card's MICE that an ensemble cast's power is uncovered. A milieu, idea, or event oriented story can support multiple viewpoint character ensemble casts, omniscient narrators, and multiple psychic accesses to multiple characters.

However, those kinds of stories are challenging to write, to say the least, and highly advanced in storytelling craft, not to mention a narrower audience appeal than a story that has a single viewpoint character and a single psychic access limited to one character.

Character oriented stories are easier to depict a single character's internal conflict, too. Ensemble casts require more character development to depict each's internal conflict and stronger reader comprehension to keep up with who's who and what's going on with who. The Dune and Lord of the Rings series have ensemble casts with multiple viewpoint characters and multiple psychic accesses. But then, they're milieu oriented stories.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
If it helps, it is meant to be a humorous story. The cast and ideas fall somewhere between Hitchhiker's Guide, Original Star Trek and Firefly. I'm not trying to copy any of these, they are simply influences.
 
Posted by Owasm (Member # 8501) on :
 
In working with an ensemble cast on a few projects, I've found using multiple points of view allows one to get closer into the minds of the players. In a humorous book, the multiple POVs allow the reader to enjoy what's behind the interplay.

I find the toughest part of writing that way, is making sure the dialog works well. You might find you have to tag a lot more because you generally will have more scenes with more than two people.

I'd also suggest you do thorough prep work with the characters and provide as many story arcs written or just as background for each member. That helps with displaying character motivation and also can help develop specific voices for the characters. Doing the story arcs might help you determine who the strongest character will be for your main person.

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Posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury (Member # 59) on :
 
I would like to encourage you to make sure they don't sound like each other. Figure out some way to make it absolutely clear to readers exactly whose head they are in at all times.
 
Posted by Unwritten (Member # 7960) on :
 
When I read about people writing in multiple points of view, I often see things like, "The point of view character should be the person who has the most to lose" but I don't find that's usually how I write. Instead, I often instinctively choose the person whose knowledge level most closely matches the readers, so everything they learn the reader can learn too.

Now, personally, I like what I write, but I don't know if it works for everyone, if this is a good choice or a cop-out.

When you say episodic, I assume you mean there will be characters that are only in one chapter, and characters that are always there. It seems like a safer bet to have the characters that are always there be the pov characters, but with the right story, I guess it could work to have the pov character be someone we'll never see again. You wouldn't want to do this with a character story though. It would work as a mileu type story, as extrinsic already pointed out. It makes me feel good when my own rambling thoughts match up with someone who knows his stuff.
 


Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
Tonight my boyriend and I went to Carl's Jr. and sat down to brainstorm the characters a little more thoroughly. I printed up some general character sheets and filled out two characters almost completely. For the time we had, I think we did okay.
I still have to write their back stories but I have a better shape for them now. Thank you Owasm for the advice.

I know mikemunsil's post and exercises recommends world building first but I think the characters are more important for the story I am planning. I did print out some galactic maps that I will be using as a template. But since my crew is going to be changing worlds constantly I don't feel the need for extreme detail on the maps.

I have determined that three of my characters are likely to be good pov characters that I can use regularly. There are two that might get a segment for flavor and one I'm not sure I'll use for pov at all.
When I said episodic, I never meant to use a character that wasn't part of the crew for pov. I meant that some 'episodes' may feature one set of characters and another episode may not feature any of those characters. For example: One episode/section may take place on the ship and only involve the captain, the pilot and the engineer. Then the next section may be planetside with the first officer and the navigator. So I can't use a single pov character because he might not be present for all of the events.

And thank you KDW. I will make sure that all of the characters have different voices. Of course, then there's the one who can't talk at all. Hmmm.

I'm still open to suggestions.

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Posted by Cardiac_Hurricane (Member # 7835) on :
 
Rambling tip to keep in the back of your mind - Focus fanatically on Character Interactions and Character Relationships, for they are both the Yin and Yang of ensemble narratives; the keys to making such a story resonate. You're going to have a bunch of characters that will be identified on face value like Captain, cook, engineer and so on. But you also want to imply a deeper layer to them, so that the audience can identify with them on how they relate to each other. In other words, these people should take up certain roles familiar to the reader. It could be a family thing, with one character taking up the role of father, another as the oldest son, and others as youngest son, mother, daughter, etc. It could also be other things, like a school thing: you'd have the alpha male, the bully, the wimp, the "I'm too cool for that stuff," redheaded loner chick, and so on.

And you don't want to come right out and say who's in which role or what the roles actually are (characters being actual blood relatives, notwithstanding). You'll want to imply these relationships to the audience using the interactions and dialogue between the characters: Playful banter, silent and respectful nods, shouting matches, battles over who gets the largest piece of steak, and so on.



 


Posted by Crank (Member # 7354) on :
 
quote:
Focus fanatically on Character Interactions and Character Relationships

Bingo.

To prepare for my YA novel, I wrote practice scenes between every combination of the five band members. I thought this important, because many time people will act differently in the presence of one person as opposed to someone else; in addition, people tend to behave differently in a one-on-one situation than they would in a crowd.

Of course, having a solid understanding of what makes each of these teens tick made my job of fleshing out how they would interact with each other and with the band in its entirety that much smoother, to the point where some of those supposed practice scenes made their way into the novel.

S!
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Posted by extrinsic (Member # 8019) on :
 
Here are some important questions I ask as a critical reader and/or writer of a story.

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Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
As per the suggestions above I have added a section to my character profile sheets. For each one I list the other characters and their relationship to them. The revelations that are flowing out of this are great. Once I've done the bulk of the character sheet their opinion of the other characters seems obvious.

I still have a couple more characters to complete but I think my brain is done for the night. I'll leave another question if anyone cares to answer.

Do you think it's still important to work out their parents and siblings if those people may not even get mentioned in the story?
 


Posted by Kitti (Member # 7277) on :
 
My vote is yes - everyone has to have parents (or a creator of some sort) and the circumstances surrounding their birth/upbringing plays a critical part of shaping them into the person they are when your story begins. Figuring out stuff, even if you don't intend to put it into the story, will give you a better handle on your character, possibly even change your understanding of them. And who knows - the info might weasel its way into the story if it gets important enough.
 
Posted by genevive42 (Member # 8714) on :
 
I've put a couple of the characters from the Gadzook's crew in the interview section if anyone wants to grill them. I'm starting to understand them better but I could use some help in finding their voices.

Thanks.
 




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