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Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Let's say I have a manuscript that is almost ready to send out (sadly, this is not true, yet)

I realize the next step is to send it to a publisher, or to query agents, in any case I have to send it out eventually. If I find an agent who wants to represent it he/she will likely want to read the entire manuscript.

Has anyone else felt any kind of fear that someone else could easily steal all of your work and there is nothing you could do about it?
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
I realize I am flattering myself, so please excuse the egotism...err optimism.
 
Posted by ChrisOwens (Member # 1955) on :
 
I'm no expert. But, by going by what I hear, that's quite rare. Nobody legit would risk the legal liabilities and the subsequent loss of business.
 
Posted by lehollis (Member # 2883) on :
 
I've seen a few blogs from agents and authors about this. The consensus is always that yes, it does happen, but it is so extremely rare that you don't need to worry about it.

What I've heard is that an agent has much more to gain from a good book by representing it than stealing it. The same with editors.

My understanding is that part of US copyright law involves access to the work, and in the case of an agent or editor, access to the work is easy to prove.

I've also heard that the common tricks, like mailing the manuscript to yourself, copyright registration and so forth are next to useless if a problem does arise.

My sources on that, from memory, are John D. Macdonald, Evil Editor and I think one or two of the agent blogs I read. I can dig up some links if you'd like.

So the short answer is don't worry. The slightly longer answer is, don't worry, but do your research and send it to legit, good agents or editors.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Okay, good advice. And just because I'm curious to get more details I would like to check out those links, but thanks for the answer.
 
Posted by Elan (Member # 2442) on :
 
My impression from reading agent blogs is that to imply, even slightly, that you are worried about someone stealing your ideas/work, etc. is not only a major insult to those people who are professionals in the industry, it marks you as such a rank amature that the agents either 1) don't want to deal with your imagined paranoia, or 2) figure since you don't know squat about the industry, it shows you haven't done YOUR homework.

You only have to worry if you send it to a shyster. Do your research, select only legitimate publishers/agents, and you'll be fine.
 


Posted by Zero (Member # 3619) on :
 
Sounds like agents are arrogant bastards then
 
Posted by JeanneT (Member # 5709) on :
 
Yeah. And?
 
Posted by lehollis (Member # 2883) on :
 
Been a busy couple days, but I did find some of Mrs. Snarks comments on various Plagiarism topics.

http://misssnark.blogspot.com/search?q=plagiarism

This isn't exactly on topic, but I thought it was an interesting take.

http://bookendslitagency.blogspot.com/2007/07/idea-versus-execution.html

I'll look for more later. I couldn't find any by Evil Editor, so I must have imagined it
 


Posted by TaleSpinner (Member # 5638) on :
 
I think there are two aspects to this question.

First, this is what copyright law is for, and it's why as the originator of the work, in law, you own it. (BTW copyright law applies to technical writing and to software designs and code, which is why I went into this a long while ago.) I've read that you don't even have to write 'Copyright My Name (c) 2007' although I still do. As long as both you and the agent are in countries that have copyright law (most do, China's the only one I'm not sure about) you should be okay.

Second, agents rely on the fact that their contacts in publishing houses know and trust them. That's how they skip the slush pile and get the work read. It would only take one proven example of plagiarism to ruin an agent's reputation. He or she would never trade again as an agent. Why risk a reputation that has taken years to establish for a new, unknown writer that might or might not sell? -- Let's not forget that no matter how good the work, when the publisher decides to buy it there's no guarantee that the costs will be covered, let alone that there will be a profit.

Just 2c,
Pat
 


Posted by JamieFord (Member # 3112) on :
 
( What I've heard is that an agent has much more to gain from a good book by representing it than stealing it. The same with editors. )

Ditto. It's kind of naive to even worry about this.

[This message has been edited by JamieFord (edited October 13, 2007).]
 


Posted by InarticulateBabbler (Member # 4849) on :
 
If it's a good story, they'll (publishers) want to contract you do write more good stories. Agents don't publish stories, they sell them. Nobody profits from stealing your work.

Agent and publisher make way more money selling works of myriad authors than it would be worth to sully their reputation by stealing one 1st-time author's work. It would also gain them a bad reputation, which is hard to live down (harder than making a good one).
 


Posted by Pyre Dynasty (Member # 1947) on :
 
China is part of the Berne Convention, but they don't really enforce it. (among the few nations in the world that aren't are Iraq, Iran and North Korea).

[This message has been edited by Pyre Dynasty (edited October 13, 2007).]
 




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