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Posted by Johnmac1953 (Member # 3118) on :
 
First a confession. I have not read any books in 8/9 years, I'm one of those strange beings who think reading will 'influence ' my own work in a detrimental way
Since joining the Hatrack I've read that my stance could actually be wrong!
Decision - go to library and try and get into reading again.
Result, I did bring out two books but most of the books put me off thanks to the 'intros' either on the back or the inner flap...they were awful in my eyes! Even so called established writers...I hope they didn't write them!
I almost gave up, it was that bad. I thought maybe I'm too critical - looking for faults? Some of the covers...
Why should we read them? How can a book grab you?
I've been a victim of the 'first page has to hit the reader hard enough to keep them' people. I was rejected and one of the main crits was the opening, they suggested I opened with what was the start of Chapter Three (an erotic episode) so in its latest incarnation I have - as suggested, ready for my next bout of confidence (after I have finished editing it AGAIN)
How about giving one suggestion for me to read folks? I love Fantasy/SF!
 
Posted by Silver3 (Member # 2174) on :
 
Grr. I'm going to be pretty controlled about the "reading will influence my work", but I'll just say that if writers don't read, who can we hope to sell our stuff to? I'm sure others will point out good reasons to read read read.

First off, writers don't have any control on writing either the back or inner flap. Those are controlled by the publisher, and I have since long suspected the guys who write this have read at most the first twenty pages (or at worst, the first paragraph of the synopsis).

A book does not grab me. That's for short stories. I give books more of a running chance: if I don't see a reason for reading within the first chapter, I chuck the book (well, I would, but few are the books which I've actually set aside).

And as to the first page: yes, it has to at least pique the reader's interest. Unfortunately the name of the game is that you are competing with many, many other things to hold your reader: television, computer, movies, God knows what.
 


Posted by pantros (Member # 3237) on :
 
My reccomendation would be ... well anything. Surprisingly those publishers are very picky about what they print so if its in print, its a fair bet (but not a guarantee) that it is a good read.

Avoid series books, especially if the series is not finished.

Robin Hobb is the exception to that rule. She is consistently good.

Some of the better stories will be found in the authors that only have one book. You know they didn't get published based on just their name.

Charles D'Lint has a good reputation of writing far more good stories than bad ones.

 


Posted by wbriggs (Member # 2267) on :
 
I don't read much fiction these days outside workshops. Why not? I've gotten picky. I'm still waiting to come across something that will bowl me over. But I notice these problems:

* In fiction, brand names are author names . . . and the authors I used to like have gotten awful, or at least less good. Niven, LeGuin, Asimov (during his later period), McKillip. I only know one author that I think *improved* with age: Vance. Anyway, I can't use the brands we usually go with.

* I pick up a book and think: the mechanics here don't work. de Lint: someone recommended Ghost in the Wires. Six paragraphs in I finally found out the gender of the narrator (and in paragraph 4, it seemed to be going the other way!), and I still didn't know if the narrator was a spirit, or a neurosis, or a program, or what. She didn't seem to be human. I read on a while in confusion, then gave up.

...and then something wonderful will happen, like Connie Willis publishing another book.
 


Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
Check out the thread on recommended books if you just want to get an idea of what people are reading these days. It might make your next foray to the library easier.
 
Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 1655) on :
 
Speaking of book flaps, has anyone else noticed a disturbing trend whereby the flaps cover the entire plot point for point?


 


Posted by Survivor (Member # 213) on :
 
If you don't read a lot, then you won't be able to keep a feel for what readers want out of a book. If you're even able to go years without reading a book, you're completely out of touch with the mentality of someone who'll pay money to read fiction.

There's a grain of truth to the thought that artists should create for themselves. An artist needs to be a member of the audience, first and foremost.

Now, most books will not please most readers. In fact, I don't believe that there are any books that will please most readers. You need to read a lot of books to find the authors and stories that appeal to you. And when you find those authors, and those stories, you need to learn from them, not from any of the books you didn't like.

To learn from them, you need to find them. So start reading.
 


Posted by Susannaj4 (Member # 3189) on :
 
I'll be honest about this one. I have someone who 'reads' for me. I pick this person's brain about each book she's reading at the time and what errors she as a reader found. I don't read these books because, even though they would interest me as a reader, I'm not into vampire romance right now. She can't read the things I read for research so she asks me questions as to why the vampire character did this or that and I 'll tell her if it's off the spectrum or not. My husband reads and if he finds something interesting he'll tell me and he'll pick out things about it that I'd find interesting. Maybe this sounds strange but I have a tendency to inadvertently incorporate things I see or hear into my manuscripts so that is the one part of my recreational life I can let go of and so I did. These two people read totally different things. My husband reads sci/fi and she reads mainly fantasy. So I have a few bases covered there.

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Posted by luapc (Member # 2878) on :
 
As far as reading, I read most anything. I subscribe to Asimov's, Analog, and The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction. For the mags, I used to just look at them on the bookstore shelf before buying, and would buy one if I saw a story that seemed interesting. I started subscribing and reading them completely when I got serious about publishing and trying to make it a career.

Like others have said here, you have to know what a publisher is buying before you can sell, whether you like the stories or not. I think that goes for book publishers too, though that's harder because sometimes published books were bought by the publisher two years before being released.

I don't think many career authors have made it unless they've studied what's in print. If you want a career at it, you have to think of it as a business and your time as an investment, and that includes reading as well as writing.

Now, that isn't to say you have to read everything in print. Do what Survivor suggests and pick the authors and publishers putting out what you like. You can be picky. Your time is an investment, but you can make bad investments too.


 


Posted by MaryRobinette (Member # 1680) on :
 
quote:
Speaking of book flaps, has anyone else noticed a disturbing trend whereby the flaps cover the entire plot point for point?

Oh, that's been around for ages. The table of contents used to tell you what happened in each chapter.

quote:
Chapter 14 - In which our hero is killed by Evil Robot Monkeys.

Now that's annoying.
 


Posted by Robert Nowall (Member # 2764) on :
 
No books at all? I couldn't possibly do that...besides, why would I write if I didn't want to also read?
 
Posted by franc li (Member # 3850) on :
 
I onced believed the same, and would only read very distinguished books. I think it was a manifestation of my OCD.

P.S. I now feel that reading and writing are like eating and cooking. You can eat without cooking but if you try to cook without eating or tasting, you are at the mercy of the quality of your ingredients and the accuracy of your recipes.

It's interesting because I do now make chocolate things which I don't eat, but I did used to each chocolate and learned which recipes and ingredients were good.

P.S. I tried to make Indian Food last night. Everyone said it tasted Mexican.

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Posted by Lord Darkstorm (Member # 1610) on :
 
I would be overjoyed if the books I read influenced my writing...and made it better. How many bands give tribute to some group or groups that influence their work. Same goes for painters, and probably every other creative outlet. So why not writing?

As for looking for only those books that stand out amoung the others? So if there is only one in 50 that meets that qualification, you have limited your selection to a handfull that might be on the shelf, and worse if you go to a library.

I read a very overindulgent book called "pandora's star", which in my opinion could have been cut from 800 plus pages to 400 and have lost almost nothing. Now, the extra bulk that wasn't necessary was not the worst part of the book...no, it ended in a cliffhanger. And a couple years later there is yet to be a sequal written. Now I could whine about the wasted time, but I learned something. There is a very good reason to cut out unimportant crap. No matter how in love you are with your creation, in this author's case his aliens, some things just don't need to be explained over three chapters of pure dull bordome. Also if you want your readers to buy book two...finish book one so it has some form of ending.

So, is reading a not so great book bad? No, there are still things you can learn to avoid in your own writing. So read, it can't do anything but help you learn more about writing.

As for what a publisher wants, I think they want something worth printing. Something that will sell, and be enjoyed by the people who buy it.
 


Posted by Johnmac1953 (Member # 3118) on :
 
Thank you all for your views, I am actaully stunned! I have almost finished reading a book - and you know what, I settled straight into 'reader' mode. I expected to crit it, compare it, nitpick...but I 'just' read it...
Influences are universal, I agree, this forum is to blame for making me doubt my stance
When I do go to the Bookshop I'll take some of the suggestions given with me.
Thanks again
Best Wishes
John Mc...
 
Posted by Clove (Member # 3125) on :
 
Read Margaret Atwood's Oryx and Crake. It's sci fi, which I'm not usually a fan of. The difference is that she's a brilliant writer, and the book is great.
 
Posted by hoptoad (Member # 2145) on :
 
Simon Schama Landscape and Memory
very cool book
 
Posted by pjp (Member # 3211) on :
 
"most of the books put me off thanks to the 'intros' either on the back or the inner flap"

I only use the synopses to get an idea what the book is about. Then I start reading the book. I'm almost always able to tell if it's something I'd like to read.

"Why should we read them? How can a book grab you?"

I may be missing something, but we read because we want to. As for how a book can grab you, what has grabbed you about books in the past?

"I've been a victim of the 'first page has to hit the reader hard enough to keep them' people."

If you're being literal regarding the first page, read a little more. If you read several pages, and still end up disappointed, then read the first chapter.

I find that if I'm not in the mood to read, even a story I was really interested in the night before can't keep my attention. I have to be in the mood, or my mind wanders on to other things.

Another option would be to read something other than what you normally do. I recently finished Blink, by Malcolm Gladwell, and highly recommend it. Over at Amazon, you can even read a chunk to see if it interests you. Another book I recommend is Into Thin Air : A Personal Account of the Mt. Everest Disaster, by Jon Krakauer. A similar book is Touching the Void, by Joe Simpson. I haven't read it yet, but have heard it was better.

--pjp

 




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