Pinary Rules: 1. If a digit matches the first digit of Pi, it is a "1". 2. Following a "1" (the first "1" is the tenth digit), go to the second digit of Pi. 3. If this digit matches the second digit, then it is a "1". If not matching, it is a zero. 4. Repeat this with all "3" digits in Pi. 5. A series of "1"s is a series of digits that match the opening digits of Pi.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
I did this by having faith in God. U mad atheists?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
What do you think you did?
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reticulum: I did this by having faith in God. U mad atheists?
I'm slightly uncomfortable about how the columns don't line up very well.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
I'm so mad. What did you do?
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
I asked myself: What is the frequency that any selection of the digits of Pi match the opening digits. I call the result Li, which is an indefinite constant.
Posted by DDDaysh (Member # 9499) on :
What am I supposed to be seeing that's so amazing?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
What did that prove, other than your lack of clarity?
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Wow, I can't believe you did this!
I don't understand how y'all don't see it.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
Try explaining it?
Posted by Jeff C. (Member # 12496) on :
I'm not a math person, so I remain unimpressed until it is further explained.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reticulum: Pinary Rules: 1. If a digit matches the first digit of Pi, it is a "1". 2. Following a "1" (the first "1" is the tenth digit), go to the second digit of Pi. 3. If this digit matches the second digit, then it is a "1". If not matching, it is a zero. 4. Repeat this with all "3" digits in Pi. 5. A series of "1"s is a series of digits that match the opening digits of Pi.
An interpretation:
1. Any digit that is '3' is '1'
2. After a '1' (after being undefined as well as if the '1' is before or after translation) - wait, a '1' is always the tenth digit? Like a digit in the "tens" column, or like "after" 9 digits you get to the digit in question? I'm going with the latter, since it's the more literal interpretation, so we now know that the 10th digit is always a '1'. But wait, does that mean if there's a '1' we're already at the tenth digit? So 9 digits must either already exist or appear prior to the '1'? And what if there are more than 9 digits? I see what you mean about how crazy things are. But let's just ignore all this and note that we are "at" the second digit of Pi.
3. Now if a digit matches the second digit of Pi it's a '1'. So now if the digit is either '3', '1' or the tenth digit it's a '1'.
4. I'm not sure what we're repeating here, but I guess all '3's are again '1's. Which we already knew, but maybe we're just padding the rule book.
5. This is more a declaration than a process but OK. I guess Pi is now just a series of '1's, since we know that if we wrote out a series of '1's it would match the opening of Pi. But with no upper bounds on the length of the series I guess all of Pi is now '1's. Presumably with the decimal in the same spot.
So Pi is now 10/9. Which for, say, cosmology, isn't a bad estimate of Pi. So there you go.
Hobbes Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
No, that's not what he did.
1) Consider the digits of Pi. 2) Start with the first digit. 3) Call this starting position "A." The value of "A" at position "A" is "3". 4) Iterate through the remaining digits of Pi (i.e. those after position "A") until you reach the first digit that matches the value of "A" (i.e. the second "3"). Note the number of digits you had to skip to reach this second instance of "3" (in this case, nine). Call this position "B". 5) Now that you have found the second instance of the first digit, continue from position "B" until you find the next instance -- not technically the second, but the next from this point -- of the second digit of pi, namely "2." Write down the number of digits it took you to do this (i.e. "5"). 6) Continue for all the digits of pi. In some cases, you will have to pass more than 9 numbers to reach the next value; according to the process shown, write down the resulting number as if it were a single digit, even though it's not (at least in base 10).
If you feel like it, you can mark each iterative instance of a digit of Pi with a "1," basically as a meaningless placeholder. Any time you have repeating "1"s in your data, one or more digit of pi is being repeated sequentially -- which should happen reasonably often, since there are only ten digits and pi is infinitely long.
Anyway, the result is a number. Fourteen is also a number.
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The best assumption I can make is that someone has misunderstood Sagan's rather weak attempt at a proof of God at the end of Contact, and is satirizing their misunderstanding of it.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
quote:No, that's not what he did.
What he did and what his process is are two different things Tom, you can't conflate the two.
Hobbes Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
In honesty though, I'm not seeing what the significance is? I don't just mean the rules, but why is that number somehow related to having faith in God? Is it a special number somehow?
[EDIT: i.e. If the number that resulted was "1234567..." or "31415926535..." or something then I'd at least see why they thought the result was interesting. But I don't think the result they got looked like anything other than random digits.]
Hobbes
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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
That's why I posited the Contact parody.
Posted by Obama (Member # 13004) on :
Reticulum
Who are you trying to convince, here? Yourself, or atheists?
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
I have faith in God; I need no convincing. Science is the allusion of Math, Math is the allusion of God.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
Pick another constant for me to apply Pinary to.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
I'll do e.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:Science is the allusion of Math, Math is the allusion of God.
Do you know what the word "allusion" means?
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
I want to know what this number means to you. You've discovered a formula or process that generates a random number. Random number generators are certainly a useful thing and there's some work put into a good one. But they have to show good distribution and be computationally efficient. I don't know how your formula fares on the first but it's pretty bad on the second. But I'm pretty sure you feel these numbers are more important than examples of random number generator results.
Hobbes Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:You've discovered a formula or process that generates a random number.
He's actually "discovered" the opposite: it's a process that derives a constant from another constant.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
Hold on, I'll make a blog showing the newest number I created. I derived the constant Ha (Harrison's Number from e. I'll have it up by the end of the day.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
With Pinary, all integers are 1, and 0 is also 1. Next question: Can Pinary be applied to imaginary numbers? Imaginary Pinary?
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson:
quote:You've discovered a formula or process that generates a random number.
He's actually "discovered" the opposite: it's a process that derives a constant from another constant.
Well it needs a seed number, but that's not atypical for random number generators. Then he can presumably use the result to feed back into the process and create a loop. Sounds like pretty standard random number generating to me.
Hobbes Posted by Obama (Member # 13004) on :
I can't tell if I'm being trolled here or not.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
I think you are.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
Currently patenting Pinary.
Posted by stilesbn (Member # 11809) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reticulum: Currently patenting Pinary.
I believe you wanted to say: "Presently patenting Pinary."
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
I'm writing a book called Persephone. The main character is named Scott, after F. Scott Fitzgerald and Orson Scott Card. Here's something cool;
"Canvased against the gloaming, the horizon was eclipsed by the slow climbing angle of a prairie mountain. Emanating from just out of sight were indefatigable eruptions of light and ground shaking sound. As one of the Robot warships began to pass over the top and into view, a Persephonian satellite sent forth the roar of a miles-long plasma beam. The beam, upon contact with the ship, instantaneously bathed all that could be seen in a pure white light; immediately afterwards, the landscape flashed back into observation, and a titanic sound wave reverberated outwards. The bow of the warship was decayed into the quantum vacuum and out of existence, whereas the silver remains of the metal monster began to collapse out of the sky. Its contiguous beams of colored light briefly flickered until ceasing completely, while the neutralized Robot vessel exploded into the dirt of a garden of chaos."
Posted by Wingracer (Member # 12293) on :
Oh dear me. Please read this link and understand it.
I am pretty sure he is kidding.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
Persephone: Goddess of the harvest and wife of Hades, lord of the underworld. Persephone is a farm world the size of Neptune. Robots are from Hephaestus (greek god of metalworking), 1/20th the size of Persephone. Set in 10,010.
"Beneath a sky of pitch black smog, eroded and corroded towers stood abandoned amid the planetary desert called Hephaestus. It's resources mined and devoted to total invasion."
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
"Beneath a sky of pitch black smog, eroded and corroded towers of nanotubes stood abandoned amid the planetary desert called Hephaestus. It's resources mined and devoted to total invasion."
Posted by stilesbn (Member # 11809) on :
"From the sililoquistic ramblings of the utterly bereft and transient wildlings the sound of ancient wonder could be heard atop the quintessential eco-friendly citadel of bewilderment."
Posted by Wingracer (Member # 12293) on :
quote:Originally posted by kmbboots: I am pretty sure he is kidding.
Do you mean to say "It is in my most expert opinion that this most grandiloquent individual is attempting to bestow on our humble community a jest of literary proportions."
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
Gosh, I hope so.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
"The hours grew temporarily brighter in the valley as the light of Zablaxus reflected over the afternoon. A golden halo encapsulated the passing moon."
Posted by stilesbn (Member # 11809) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wingracer:
quote:Originally posted by kmbboots: I am pretty sure he is kidding.
Do you mean to say "It is in my most expert opinion that this most grandiloquent individual is attempting to bestow on our humble community a jest of literary proportions."
I would dare to add my most meek level of agreement to your eloquently stated opinion on the matter of our fellow acquaintance.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
"Scott gazed into the stars, and his awareness split into one thousand unconscious pieces."
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
"Scott gazed into her slightly vacillating pupils; they were surrounded by an underlying light green overlaid with light patches of starry yellow."
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
"The orchard's trees were evenly spaced and equally beautiful. Scott did not see the forest or the trees; instead he observed the wind hum through their leaves."
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
Case in point: Orson Scott Card is badass.
Posted by stilesbn (Member # 11809) on :
"As Scott gazed at the humming wind his non-observance led him to overlook the oncoming hoard of undead villagers."
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
Ask The Universe anything.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
What is the inherent nature of the laws that guide the Quantum Vacuum? Is it probability? What then, mediates probability? Is there a probability particle? What mediates Particular Probability?
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
Answer: Observation:
Consciousness is the tool that the Universe uses to observe itself.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
God and the Universe
"This isn't fair, your dice are loaded." Said the Universe. "Yeah, well, your dice are certain." "Huh." "We'll played, right?" "That's a certainty."
For God, one must have faith, for the Universe, a certainty.
God does not play dice with the Universe, as his dice always read "7".
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
"Scott tried to make people do the right thing, but only if they refused to do so."
Good day to you all.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
Oh yeah. Be kind, be humble, and do the right thing. We can gut check this by swallowing our pride; continue swallowing pride until truth is palatable.
Truth alone will set you free.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
One more... Reflect Humanity.
Posted by Reticulum (Member # 8776) on :
Nothing can be stated with absolute certainty, not even this sentence.
Posted by Dogbreath (Member # 11879) on :
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