When are they going to release all 6 movies in one box set package so I can waste alot of money?
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
would you kill an alot made of money, or would you just keep it around to shave it every month?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I hear six disc release on blu ray next month.
Posted by RivalOfTheRose (Member # 11535) on :
Probably shave it.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
Well Lyr, why wouldn't then release the originals in Blu Ray, then release the prequels in blu ray, then release the originals in a special edition box set with special added features, then release the prequels in special edition box set, then release the originals unremastered in the original form without special features, and then release the prequels in a remastered version with additional scenes, then release the originals with new added scenes and re-re-re-remastered audio, and then....
Posted by Jeff C. (Member # 12496) on :
They might be waiting for the 3-D remakes. Lucas said he's going to start rereleasing each film in theaters, beginning with episode 1, converting each of them to 3-D. If the first one bombs, though, he's not going to do the others. It's a poor business strategy if you ask me, because episode 1 and 2 are the most hated episodes, but then again I'm not George Lucas so hey, what do I know.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
quote:then again I'm not George Lucas so hey, what do I know.
That thinly veiled racial stereo types are not as fun and funny as you might think, that awesome light saber battles don't actually make up for poorly written scripts, that just because you only introduced a couple of planets/characters in the original 3 movies doesn't mean you need those character/planets to be in every durn scene, that just because someone has a gun pointed at you doesn't mean they want you to give up, sometime, somewhere, they are actually going to shot you, that futuristic chariot races are not a good premise to hang a movie on, that adding pseudoscience about the force to prequels just hurts all the movies, that there is not such thing as a purple light saber...
I could go on, but I'd just get mad.
Posted by odouls268 (Member # 2145) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: Well Lyr, why wouldn't then release the originals in Blu Ray, then release the prequels in blu ray, then release the originals in a special edition box set with special added features, then release the prequels in special edition box set, then release the originals unremastered in the original form without special features, and then release the prequels in a remastered version with additional scenes, then release the originals with new added scenes and re-re-re-remastered audio, and then....
This is likely the most accurate prediction of what is to come.
On a related note, I still have not seen the lion's share of Episode 3. It was so unbearably god awful I can't even force myself to see the whole thing out of obligation to finish the set. I did see the very end one time, and it almost made me vomit. It should've ended when vader took the first breaths. And AI should've ended with the kid trapped under the water wishing to the fairy statue.
Posted by Jeff C. (Member # 12496) on :
quote:that there is not such thing as a purple light saber
The only thing that made that OK was the fact that only Sam Jackson had one.
And episode 3 wasn't that bad, Odouls, at least not to me. I actually enjoyed most of it, aside from the cheesy dialogue near the end. Still, the fights were amazing and Yoda vs Palpatine was pretty cool.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
quote:The only thing that made that OK was the fact that only Sam Jackson had one.
No! Samuel Mother F***king Jackson did not make it okay, Samuel Mother F***king Jackson made it ten times worse!
Now reach into the Mother F***king bag and take out my Mother F***king light saber!
Which one is yours?
The one that is purple and has Mother F***king Jedi Master written on the handle!
Posted by Geraine (Member # 9913) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jeff C.:
quote:that there is not such thing as a purple light saber
The only thing that made that OK was the fact that only Sam Jackson had one.
And episode 3 wasn't that bad, Odouls, at least not to me. I actually enjoyed most of it, aside from the cheesy dialogue near the end. Still, the fights were amazing and Yoda vs Palpatine was pretty cool.
*ahem* maybe Lucas is waiting until he (finally) works on episodes 7, 8, and 9 like has promised for years.
Or the live action series. I'll take either.
Posted by odouls268 (Member # 2145) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jeff C.: And episode 3 wasn't that bad, Odouls, at least not to me. I actually enjoyed most of it, aside from the cheesy dialogue near the end. Still, the fights were amazing and Yoda vs Palpatine was pretty cool.
Sorry bro, I didn't see a single fight. Couldn't get past the wretched "banter" between Anakin and Obi-Wan in the beginning. It wasn't even laughable. It was offensively horrid. As if Lucas was saying, "I already got your 8 bucks, I dare you to walk out." Guess what? I did.
I say this as a person who vehemently defended episode 1, and was even able to look past Yoda's cringe-inspiring "Around the survivors a perimeter create" in Episode 2.
In spite of watching and enjoying star wars movies, I will never see Episode 3 without restraints and threats of death being involved.
And if they try to make me watch that ludicrous and pathetic Darth Vader temper tantrum at the end again, I very well might choose death.
Posted by Jeff C. (Member # 12496) on :
That sucks, because the fights were what made the movie. Yoda vs Emperor = awesome
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I'm sorry, but Yoda vs. the Emperor = objectively lame. Both Yoda fights in the prequels sucked. Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
The problem with the Yoda fights is that they are fan service. There's no real reason to have Yoda dueling anyone, as he works better as a source of wisdom (which is to say, plot). But no, he's the most awesomest lightsaber fighter ever! I would much prefer to have seen him show his true power not in flipping and flying like some parkour-ninja tree rat, but in truly matching Palpatine in power and driving him off. I mean, wasn't he able to deal with the force lightning without a lightsaber?
The fights in the original trilogy were important, there was dialogue and plot being moved forward that made them feel integral to the movies. The prequel trilogy fights were 'look at this cool shit!' with a plot point tacked on at the end to try and make them relevant.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Sorry bro, I didn't see a single fight. Couldn't get past the wretched "banter" between Anakin and Obi-Wan in the beginning. It wasn't even laughable. It was offensively horrid.
Wise. You avoided the larger tendency of the star wars fan to go totally stockholm syndrome and pretend that even one element of the movie was 'redeeming' or even remotely compelling enough to justify the prequels.
By the time 3 rolled around, I was beyond any temptation to go through the whole theater song and dance routine. Yet I still saw it anyway. Was it like Plinkett said? Was it just to get it all over with, put the whole sorry thing to rest?
Or was it to get closure so many years later?
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by odouls268: Sorry bro, I didn't see a single fight. Couldn't get past the wretched "banter" between Anakin and Obi-Wan in the beginning. It wasn't even laughable. It was offensively horrid. As if Lucas was saying, "I already got your 8 bucks, I dare you to walk out." Guess what? I did.
I say this as a person who vehemently defended episode 1, and was even able to look past Yoda's cringe-inspiring "Around the survivors a perimeter create" in Episode 2.
In spite of watching and enjoying star wars movies, I will never see Episode 3 without restraints and threats of death being involved.
And if they try to make me watch that ludicrous and pathetic Darth Vader temper tantrum at the end again, I very well might choose death.
Have you seen the Red Letter Media review yet? It's more entertaining than the movies themselves, and does a pretty good job critiquing what went wrong.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
Samp, that video is pure gold!
Posted by Geraine (Member # 9913) on :
Looks like September 16th. There is a deal right now through woot to get all 6 movies on Blu-Ray for only $83. Not bad!
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
I didn't like the Yoda-vs-the-Emperor fight (neither Yoda nor Palpatine should be spending that much effort moving around to fight each other, and the Emperor's silly laughter ruined it regardless), but I did like various shorter fights that Yoda was in. They felt more natural and less fanservice-y.
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
George Lucas isn't getting any more of my money. In fact, I didn't see the newer three movies in the theater.
Posted by umberhulk (Member # 11788) on :
RotS is probably my least favorite movie ever and I'd rather watch Star Wars Christmas Special no sarcasm.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
If they release a version of the original movies on Blu-Ray, I'd probably buy it. I don't see why they can't just offer an option to play as original without the extras, it wouldn't be that hard, but it would engender a lot of fan goodwill.
Not that Lucas cares what fans think, though, he IS a pretty good sport about making fun of himself.
Posted by Jeff C. (Member # 12496) on :
quote:Originally posted by umberhulk: RotS is probably my least favorite movie ever and I'd rather watch Star Wars Christmas Special no sarcasm.
OK, this is just being unfair. Did you see Star Wars: The Clone Wars? I'm not talking about episode 2. This was that hour and a half cartoon that somehow made it into theaters which served as a kind of introduction to the TV show...
IT WAS HORRIBLE!
Posted by Geraine (Member # 9913) on :
The cartoon show, from what I have heard, is pretty good.
Of course, the same person that liked that show also likes the Sci-Fi made for TV movies, so.......
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
I DVRed it...saw the first five min of the episodes and then deleted the setting and all episodes.
I prefer to think of Star Wars as the first two movies + the third - ewoks. Everything else is bad fan fic and not part of the "real" cannon.
My impression of the end of the last original movie: Star Destroyer Captain to other Star Destroyer Captains: "Well, our troops were overwhelmed on the surface of the moon by stone age teddy bears, the Supper Star Destroyer and Death Star II both blew up, so, let's just surrender!"
Star Destroyer Captain 2: "You are right, only the bulk of the entire Imperial fleet including over thirty Star Destroyers, with nearly ten thousand ground troops per Star Destroyer are gathered, we are helpless against these stone age teddy bears, and the small remnant of the rag tag Rebel fleet, let's surrender immediately!"
Star Destroyer Captain 3: "Oh yes, shall we all gather for some tea and talk about organizing a surrender party?"
Star Destroyer Captain 4: "Oh yes, I'll bring crumpets."
Star Destroyer Captain 5: "Crumpets? Brilliant!"
[ August 11, 2011, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: Stone_Wolf_ ]
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
You know, they retconned that rather nicely in the Thrawn Trilogy.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
How?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
The Emperor was using the Force to bind all his Star Destroyer captains to him. When he died, chaos ensued, and with the Admiral dead after the Executor was destroyed, they all just took off in the confusion.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
Weak sauce.
I think my explanation of tea and crumpets makes more sense.
Posted by umberhulk (Member # 11788) on :
quote:Originally posted by Geraine: The cartoon show, from what I have heard, is pretty good.
Of course, the same person that liked that show also likes the Sci-Fi made for TV movies, so.......
He isn't talking about the cartoon show. I think he's talking about the cg movie.
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
Wait, I'm still a little confused. I'm stuck at the part back where we were talking about someone wanting to pay money for the first three episodes on bluray.
Posted by odouls268 (Member # 2145) on :
quote:Originally posted by Annie: Wait, I'm still a little confused. I'm stuck at the part back where we were talking about someone wanting to pay money for the first three episodes on bluray.
Conversation piece for the coffee table. "No, no, seriously, no BS, I paid REAL money for this drivel!"
Basically, anyone who's gonna pay money all over again to have those piles of idiocy in yet another format is the kind of person that Obama would refer to as "most able to afford [a tax increase]."
Posted by Jeff C. (Member # 12496) on :
quote:Originally posted by umberhulk: He isn't talking about the cartoon show. I think he's talking about the cg movie.
True story.
The TV show is decent, but I'm referring to the movie, which was basically just the first three episodes. I still can't believe they released it in theaters.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
quote:Originally posted by odouls268:
quote:Originally posted by Annie: Wait, I'm still a little confused. I'm stuck at the part back where we were talking about someone wanting to pay money for the first three episodes on bluray.
Conversation piece for the coffee table. "No, no, seriously, no BS, I paid REAL money for this drivel!"
Basically, anyone who's gonna pay money all over again to have those piles of idiocy in yet another format is the kind of person that Obama would refer to as "most able to afford [a tax increase]."
Posted by KirKis (Member # 12454) on :
I want to see Kyle Katarn and Mara Jade on the big screen plzkthx!
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
From the looks of things, there's some substantial material here. Is it worth upgrading if you already have the series? Guess part of that depends on whether or not you have a system that can really take advantage of Blu-ray, but there are so me significant extras. The part that has me most intrigued are the deleted scenes from the original trilogy.
Snippets like this one have been released before, and the guy from Digital Bits promises that there are longer, more substantial scenes to be revealed as well.
I'd kind of still like to wait for a version that has the original theatrical releases, but, that could still be another decade.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I will buy the original theatrical versions. I will buy nothing until then.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
Do you have the right kind of projector to watch them?
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: I will buy the original theatrical versions. I will buy nothing until then.
i hope you're at least stealing food till then
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: I will buy the original theatrical versions. I will buy nothing until then.
I don't think they exist anymore.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
hey guys hey guys guess how extra awesome the blu rays look
Why must he keep doing this? Why?
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
quote:Originally posted by Raymond Arnold: I didn't like the Yoda-vs-the-Emperor fight (neither Yoda nor Palpatine should be spending that much effort moving around to fight each other, and the Emperor's silly laughter ruined it regardless), but I did like various shorter fights that Yoda was in. They felt more natural and less fanservice-y.
Yeah, the only fight Yoda was in that I actually enjoyed was when he first walks into the Emperor's chamber, and the two red-robed Imperial guards try to stop him. He glances at them and slams them into the wall with the force.
If that was the only time in all three prequels we saw Yoda fight, I would have been much happier, because I can definitely imagine that the Yoda of Empire might actually fight that way.
I mean, the prequels still would have been horrible. But that would have at least been better.
[ August 30, 2011, 09:43 PM: Message edited by: Dan_Frank ]
Posted by Ginol_Enam (Member # 7070) on :
I don't think they "No!" sounds as bad as the article makes it out to be. I don't see why it needed to be added (if this is all real), but it fits in fairly well.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
The "Nooooo" is dumb and sounds dumb. I'm sort of skeptical that even Lucas could be this neurotic about what should be a finished product, though. I wonder if someone took the sound byte from the end of Episode 3, because this "Noooo" sounds similar.
Oh, god. Or maybe it is real and Lucas is adding this to make the end of Jedi be more like the end of Ep3.
You know, because it's like poetry. It rhymes. Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dan_Frank: Oh, god. Or maybe it is real and Lucas is adding this to make the end of Jedi be more like the end of Ep3.
You know, because it's like poetry. It rhymes.
That was my assumption. After the prequels and the various revamps of the original trilogy, though, I can't muster up any particular outrage at what Lucas does to his series. I mean, he already broke it. Now he's just stomping on the pieces.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Ugh. I mean, does it work? Yeah, kind of. I thought that the first "No!" was fine in the sense that, it makes perfect sense for him to want to shout something like that after the news he'd just received and considering his broken mental state. Dude was pretty messed up. But it SOUNDS dumb, just because it doesn't mesh well with his voice.
In this case, however, the "No!" both sounds dumb, and is considerably less powerful than the original. Seeing the cold black mask, seeing him look between son and Master, and then the sudden movement where he grabs the Emperor, that's just a powerful scene, you can see him making the choice, which is impressive considering his mask betrays no emotion.
The "No" just takes the wind out of it.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
The only Star Wars watched in our home were ripped from the old laserdisc copies.
If I'm ever given the option of buying and owning those versions legitimately, I'll take it. Until then, it's the pirated version we watch while the legitimate version sits on the shelf.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dan_Frank: You know, because it's like poetry. It rhymes.
:Condescending nod:
"Once again they're like Poetry... they rhyme... I hope it works.."
:frightened expression:
That was possibly one of the funniest aspects of the Plinkett Reviews, going back to that well, over, and over, and over again.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: In this case, however, the "No!" both sounds dumb, and is considerably less powerful than the original. Seeing the cold black mask, seeing him look between son and Master, and then the sudden movement where he grabs the Emperor, that's just a powerful scene, you can see him making the choice, which is impressive considering his mask betrays no emotion.
The "No" just takes the wind out of it.
See, George Lucas does not understand this basic concept. Honestly. I mean, it's truly impressive that these films were made so well in the first place with him involved. It's a testament to everyone who worked as hard as they could to get these things done without him screwing them up. His contribution to the films is unquestionably great. The sweep and the grandeur and the scale of them are all his. But he knows *nothing* about emotion, inflection, or human detail. If he added those sounds, it's because for him, "that" makes sense of this scene. The ambiguity and the silence of Vader's actions- his stoicism, makes no sense to Lucas at all.
I'm shocked he hasn't overdubbed the "I know" line from Empire Strikes Back to "I love you too." Because to him, that's love. Not humor, not a shared moment of understanding and irony- of a grim need to hang on to your bravado in the face of losing your loved one, possibly forever. He doesn't understand that.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
I tend to think it's a bit simpler than that. It wasn't some large miracle that the films were great in the first place, and it wasn't due to other people squeaking through the cracks of his inadequacies.
I think it's just a case of, initially, he had less confidence, direct personal involvement, and more community input. In IV, he was boss but not unquestioned dictator. He also had people he trusted-people he trusted when he was still an up-and-comer. In V, unless the various documentaries I've seen are misleading, he voluntarily gave the show over to Kershner, and when they disagreed gave his ideas a shot.
But from everything I've heard, it was always super-important to him that he be in charge of his stories. I think that over time, though, as his initial communal-stories yielded him more and more power, he kept doing what he was doing initially-exercising as much control over his stories as he possibly could.
But, well, what made `em great in the beginning was part that aspect of his, and part other things. And perhaps in later episodes he remembered wielding as much control as he could in the earlier episodes...and forgot that his max changed things less at first than it did later.
I was still mad as hell that the difference between the first three and the second was so stark, though, and so often deeply stupid from a movie perspective.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
The second three suffered from more than just poor dialogue. While I think they did a great job on the macro scale, of showing the galactic-political changes and how Palpatine rose to power, they never should have started with Anakin being so young, and Obi-Wan finding him as a child.
They should have started with him as a teenager. It would have given them a lot more time to develop the character and show a far more natural progression. There was one, maybe two plot points from Episode 1 that were actually important as the series went on. II and III did all the heavy lifting for the plot.
I don't even mind Jar Jar. A lot of people compare him to how insufferable C-3PO is, but, 3PO's over the top pessimism still strikes me as rather amusing. I could have done without Jar Jar, but it's not like he ruined the movie or anything.
I wonder what would have happened if they'd let Lucas do all the action scenes, and let Alfonso Cuaron do any scene requiring emotion and plot development.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: The second three suffered from more than just poor dialogue. While I think they did a great job on the macro scale, of showing the galactic-political changes and how Palpatine rose to power, they never should have started with Anakin being so young, and Obi-Wan finding him as a child.
They should have started with him as a teenager. It would have given them a lot more time to develop the character and show a far more natural progression. There was one, maybe two plot points from Episode 1 that were actually important as the series went on. II and III did all the heavy lifting for the plot.
Exactly! By the time II starts, Anakin is such a different person that the little boy in I is completely irrelevant. There's no continuity of the character at all—he went from being an innocent little boy to a smug and obnoxious teenager, and we have to be filled in on his and Obi-Wan's relationship through exposition. And little-boy Anakin is such a poor hero that he ends up awkwardly sharing that role with Obi-Wan. Luke rescued a princess and blew up the Death Star. Anakin, on the other hand, wins a pod race (hooray?) and accidentally, improbably blows up an enemy ship not through use of the Force but gee-whiz dumb luck. He's a lame, uninteresting hero.
And someone who missed Episode I altogether would need to be filled in on only a couple of points, as you said:
The Sith are back and want to destroy the Jedi.
Anakin is the "chosen one", whatever that means.
And it would be better to pretend that Anakin and Padme are meeting for the first time in Episode II, because it makes things (somewhat) more believable and definitely less creepy. Expanding Anakin's development and descent toward the Dark Side during the Clone Wars would have been far more fascinating and rewarding than a pod race and Gungan–droid army battle.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: I'm shocked he hasn't overdubbed the "I know" line from Empire Strikes Back to "I love you too."
LEIA: I love you! HAN: You're everything that sand isn't!
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: "Once again they're like Poetry... they rhyme... I hope it works.."
:frightened expression:
"In fact, this is so genius, I have a feeling George Lucas had nothing to do with it and in fact probably fought against putting it in the movie." ...
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I'm reminded of Don Bluth mentioning that when Land Before Time was mired in development hell, and there was a good chance they were going to axe the whole thing, Lucas flew out to their studio and they had an all night writers session. Bluth indicated that he gained enormous respect for Lucas as he completely reworked some of the characters, plot points, and dialogue.
Lucas is a great idea man, he conceptualizes all sorts of interesting things. Like that idea that he wanted to create scenes that echo the previous Star Wars films, that could have been very cool. Star Wars absolutely would not exist without him, but in a strange way it could only exist without him because after the initial movie, he was not intimately involved with everything. The director of the second movie was a mentor of his, and so he wrote his ideas and let the director go to work.
Look at Indiana Jones, the first movie Spielberg took a lot of Lucas' ideas, but absolutely said no to just as many as he said yes. The movie was fantastic, Lucas wanted more of a say in the next movie, and Spielberg reluctantly agreed, so we got The Temple of Doom. Finally Spielberg said I'm not making another one unless I'm directing it the way I want, and we got The Last Crusade. It happened again with Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Lucas wasn't put in check enough. Lucas simply needs a filter, somebody who can listen to him talk about all these great ideas he has, and then say, "Hey that is a great idea, or no, that idea won't work." And doesn't just get bowled over by Lucas' personality or influence.
In THX I absolutely love the idea that the bad guys stop pursuing the protagonist because budgetary expenditures had outpaced the perceived benefit of capturing him. It's a funny way of resolving the conflict, and it's a sort of jab at the movie industry which wouldn't fund an idea, no matter how interesting, if it wasn't going to make money. I don't like the rest of the movie.
Anyway, Lucas should churn out ideas, provide money for other artists to realize them, and he shouldn't direct the movie adaptation.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
From what I know of the creation of the films, that certainly fits: Lucas needs an editor.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
George should talk to Steven King...I hear he has a great editor (ever try and wade through the extended edition of "The Stand"?).
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:The second three suffered from more than just poor dialogue. While I think they did a great job on the macro scale, of showing the galactic-political changes and how Palpatine rose to power, they never should have started with Anakin being so young, and Obi-Wan finding him as a child.
The problems with the second three is far more basic. The first trilogy was an heroic epic. Its the story of a young boy rising to heroism. Its the story of good vanquishing evil. That's a story that can reasonably told well through action rather than words.
The second trilogy is a tragedy. Its the story of a young hero falling and evil triumphing over good. Tragedies are simply much harder to tell. To work, they must be character driven. The audience has to first come to care about the hero and then come to understand how the hero is draw to the dark side. That isn't a story that can be told through action alone, it's got to rely on well written and delivered words.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote:The second three suffered from more than just poor dialogue. While I think they did a great job on the macro scale, of showing the galactic-political changes and how Palpatine rose to power, they never should have started with Anakin being so young, and Obi-Wan finding him as a child.
The problems with the second three is far more basic. The first trilogy was an heroic epic. Its the story of a young boy rising to heroism. Its the story of good vanquishing evil. That's a story that can reasonably told well through action rather than words.
The second trilogy is a tragedy. Its the story of a young hero falling and evil triumphing over good. Tragedies are simply much harder to tell. To work, they must be character driven. The audience has to first come to care about the hero and then come to understand how the hero is draw to the dark side. That isn't a story that can be told through action alone, it's got to rely on well written and delivered words.
*nods head* And it's a shame we'll never get that story told properly.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary:
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: "Once again they're like Poetry... they rhyme... I hope it works.."
:frightened expression:
"In fact, this is so genius, I have a feeling George Lucas had nothing to do with it and in fact probably fought against putting it in the movie." ...
OMG WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR FAAAACCEEE??
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
Could somebody please explain for me the logic behind the ROJ Blu Ray change where Vader says "No....NOOOO!" As he dispatches the Emperor?
I mean somebody, somewhere, making a lot of money, must have thought it was a good idea, and I can't wrap my brain around it no matter how hard I tug.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
The real question is, brand new death star, and no budget for railings? You are just begging for a work place accident.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
I think it's because of how old I was when I saw it, and the Williams score, but that moment without any dialogue was and is *really* powerful for me. I understand that someone, without any editorial brakes on 'em, can fix and fix and fix until something is broken, but the specifics, such as this, baffle me.
Who on Earth said that scene was broken?
Posted by EarlNMeyer-Flask (Member # 1546) on :
More changes (link with videos) are in store for us from George Lucas, creator of Star Wars, for the Blu-Ray release. I, for one, am not enthusiastic about these changes. When you watch old movies, it can be for nostalgia. That feeling of nostaliga just won't be as strong when the movie changes.
It'd be great to watch the originals on HD Blu-Ray, but there are no plans to release them.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I think some of the silences in the original trilogy, or at least, the unusual responses, were some of its greatest strengths.
Vader tossing the Emperor over the railing with the camera focusing on his mask, that was powerful. I can think of a couple more, but in particular, I like the whole Dagobah sequence where Luke goes into the cave. The whole "what's in there?" "Only what you take with you," thing is cool in part because from the moment he enters the cave there's no dialogue, and we realize along with Luke that when he kills the faux Vader to find himself inside, what he brought in with him was his fear, rather than just his lightsaber. The shock on his face was far more communicative than any sort of dialogue was, or what a post-scene chat with Yoda would have done.
The only similar scene of silence I can think of in the second trilogy was when the Clones mowed down all the Jedi masters. That was cold, and harsh, and emotionally jarring. Talking might not have ruined it, but it wouldn't have been as powerful to me.
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