Spoilers for previous seasons are fine, but not for this one. Though speculation is okay.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
Does the official comicon trailer count as spoilers?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I don't know. Straw poll?
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Friends at work have asked me not to talk about the trailer, if that makes a difference. And the trailer does give a fairly definite idea of the direction this season will take, at least in the beginning.
The new Dexter book was pretty good Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
The trailer definitely gives stuff away, but it was all stuff I was pretty positive was going to happen anyway.
I think I've just excluded myself from any conversation here for the next week, since all of my "speculation" has been confirmed as fact.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I just started on season 2 again, so I will bow out for now. Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
The end of season four was so AUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH #@$$&#$!@#$#@ It frustrated me deeply. I think he should have gotten that fellow when he had the chance because he was such an... #$@$&
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
quote:Originally posted by Synesthesia: The end of season four was so AUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH #@$$&#$!@#$#@ It frustrated me deeply. I think he should have gotten that fellow when he had the chance because he was such an... #$@$&
It is a grave mistake to watch TV drama if things going well for sympathetic characters is important to your emotional well being.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Dexter is totally hosed, though. I mean, Trinity walked into the station asking for Dexter Morgan. Everyone saw that. And Trinity killed Rita. Everyone knows that. So there's clearly a connection between them, and Dexter hasn't said so, and everyone can see that as well.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
As I said a few months ago, the only way I can possibly see Dexter getting out of this is with help. I'm guess he tells Debbie, and relatively soon.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
I hope he tells Debra. It opens the door for more interesting twists and turns this season. And since it happened in the first book, I think it's likely to occur. :-D
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
I'm guessing that an old Ranger associate of Doakes will turn up, with suspicions about what happened to Doakes.
(I like to play the long odds.)
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
quote:Originally posted by scifibum:
quote:Originally posted by Synesthesia: The end of season four was so AUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH #@$$&#$!@#$#@ It frustrated me deeply. I think he should have gotten that fellow when he had the chance because he was such an... #$@$&
It is a grave mistake to watch TV drama if things going well for sympathetic characters is important to your emotional well being.
I couldn't help it... I feel so bad for Dexter... I may have to wait until Monday to watch this as I want to see Inception on Imax for free.
Posted by manji (Member # 11600) on :
Is it okay to spoil the season premiere?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I'd think so.
Posted by manji (Member # 11600) on :
I thought it was hilarious how both Deb and Quinn quickly forgot their relationships from last season. Lundy for Deb and Christine for Quinn. Then, I remembered, "Oh yeah! This is on Showtime."
Otherwise, I thought it was a very good start to the season. Michael C. Hall is amazing.
It did make me think. If my world irrevocably changed, would I delay telling the people I loved, people who would also be directly affected by that change, giving them one more day of blissful ignorance, or would I tell them the truth immediately?
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
I was like, wait, WHAT? When they were smooching. How does that happen? Also, Dexter beat the living daylights out of that guy. Which is why dudes shouldn't be jerks ever, or chicks for that matter because you never know. Still, it was a good episode.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
I understood the sex scene -- exposure to violent death, especially someone you know, can have powerful effects on people.
Two things that impressed me:
The beating death, because you know this will come back on him somehow.
The lack of the easy out. Any other show, he would have broken down during the eulogy, enough to assuage the concerns of the people watching that he didn't care enough. It's what I expected to happen. And he didn't do it, because he still isn't really human, and because this show doesn't do anything the easy way.
Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
quote: and because this show doesn't do anything the easy way.
What, really? From it's ridiculous overuse of exposition, to the cuddly-fying of Dexter himself, to the end of season 2 - which was the biggest cop out I've ever seen on a non-network show - this show is constantly doing things the easy way.
I haven't been this flummoxed by the popularity of a pop culture artifact since Harry Potter.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
Have you kept watching since season 2, Foust? If so, tell me again why you can't understand the popularity. If not, I'm not sure how much sense this will make:
The TV series has, in my opinion, tried to walk a very fine line with Dexter's character. He's meant to be as *thinly* sympathetic as possible. We're meant to constantly question whether he's human, and want him to be, and hope that he will decide to be. And to constantly be frustrated, and occasionally horrified/revolted, without closing the question entirely. I do not think there is ANY easy way to do this.
Cuddly-fying him to the extent that we might root for a serial killer was probably the ONLY way to make this a popular show. Season 5 significantly de-cuddly-fies him as he brutally murders a random dude [and his dark passenger claps him on the back for it]. In a previous season he killed an innocent guy through error. They're trying to narrow the margin. He's getting harder to root for. I think this is probably what Chris was calling out as not doing it the easy way.
The exposition is probably the only reliable way to keep us clued in to Dexter's motivations in a way that keeps milking the sympathy. Glowing Ghost Harry is waaay overused, I'll give you that.
I can't disagree with you about the ending to season 2.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:Glowing Ghost Harry is waaay overused,
I was so sad when they brought him back at the end of the episode. I do not believe I've ever hated a narrative device more than dead Harry.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
To me the show is basically Death Note in live action, hence why its awesome.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
If you notice, Michael C. Hall as Dexter barely shows any emotional response to anything. His main facial expressions are 1) utterly and worryingly blank, 2) overly cheery, 3) honestly confused, 4) cold and calculating, and 5) starkly menacing. If he's not murdering someone, he's almost not there unless he thinks to put on what he supposes is the appropriate mask.
We need the voiceover precisely because you can't tell what he's thinking.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Double posted, but I'm leaving it anyway so Blayne doesn't become a non sequitar.
[ September 29, 2010, 10:52 PM: Message edited by: Chris Bridges ]
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Double post!
I love the voice overs, they're almost Kyon-ish.
"I will not murder my sister, I will not murder my sister..."
Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
quote:Have you kept watching since season 2, Foust?
I skipped season three and watched season four.
quote:He's meant to be as *thinly* sympathetic as possible. We're meant to constantly question whether he's human, and want him to be, and hope that he will decide to be. And to constantly be frustrated, and occasionally horrified/revolted, without closing the question entirely. I do not think there is ANY easy way to do this.
I know this is the intent, but I don't understand why people think the show pulls this off, except in the occasional isolated scene. To make my point: when was the last time anyone was even vaguely horrified or revolted by anything Dexter did? He's only killing people that no one in the audience has any sympathy for. When was the last time Dexter ever did anything that the audience could not accept, with the exception of capturing Doakes? And even then, Dexter got away with essentially clean hands.
quote:Season 5 significantly de-cuddly-fies him as he brutally murders a random dude [and his dark passenger claps him on the back for it].
Ah, I haven't seen anything from season five yet. This does sound like a step in the right direction.
quote:We need the voiceover precisely because you can't tell what he's thinking.
Even if this was all the voiceover was used for, it isn't. It constantly points out things we already know, and it's used for exposition.
If the show really had guts, they would drop the voice over and let Dexter be as alien to the audience as he is to himself and the other characters. That is the fundamental problem: the show does not trust Dexter enough to let him fly on his own. Too many crutches.
To put it another way, if the writers really wanted to test the limits of audience sympathy, Dexter would be more like Vic Mackey from the Shield or Tony Soprano. Instead, we get a safe, nice guy who occasionally does stuff that provides tiny little shocks.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
I kind of feel like the events of ep2 were sort of an easy way out of the family strife issue.
However, I'm sort of relieved. I don't like the family strife storylines.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I think Ghost Harry shows what an abusive f*** Harry was. Rather than try and help Dexter learn to emote normally, he assumed from the start that Dexter was a psychopath and basically fostered that.
quote:Originally posted by scifibum: The TV series has, in my opinion, tried to walk a very fine line with Dexter's character. He's meant to be as *thinly* sympathetic as possible. We're meant to constantly question whether he's human, and want him to be, and hope that he will decide to be. And to constantly be frustrated, and occasionally horrified/revolted, without closing the question entirely. I do not think there is ANY easy way to do this.
I find Dexter to be incredibly sympathetic. But that's probably because I see a lot of myself in him. Not that I've ever killed anyone, but the alienation and the feeling of complying with social strictures because they're social strictures.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
I just got caught up. I watched Six Feet Under and seeing Dexter at the funeral home just struck me as... funny. The set looked really similar to me. Does anyone know if they used that set? Or it could just be that all funeral homes look pretty similar. I still felt that there was a slight homage happening.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I was looking forward to the whole raising his own kids as serial murderers thing from the book
I like analyzing Dexter of a Nietzschean PoV of the ubermensch, his collegues and the people around him are "The Last Man" people completely content with their lot in life and society's structure, Dexter rejects traditional conventional morality and society and implements within himself a new rigid set of ideals to live by.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
I'm still annoyed that Season 5 is basically ignoring the huge ramifications of Season 4 so far, but I'm finally liking the plot that we're getting on its own merits. I'm liking that Dexter may finally get a friend (romantic interest?) that knows what he is and is (at least sorta) okay with it, but isn't a raging psychopath.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
I agree on all accounts. I love Julia Styles and I think that this is a great plot for the show. If nothing substantial happens on the Kyle Butler front though, I'll be pretty disgusted by the complete cowardice of the writers.
I also really wish that "Harry" would go away. He doesn't even make sense now. He used to be a reminder of Dexter's code, but now he just seems to be there to annoy me.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
I'm 70% sure (I'd say 99%, except I've heard that people who say that are only right 70% of the time) that Harry is specifically intended to represent Dexter's "Dark Passenger" now. In the books I think it eventually turned out literally to be a demon, I suspect here they're gonna have him just be some subconscious dark side, but anyway he's going to end up being the final "big bad" that Dexter must face when the show nears its end.
Posted by MattP (Member # 10495) on :
These book spoilers are getting bothersome. :/
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
Apologies. In general, the show seems to be going in very different directions than the books so I wouldn't be to worried. I also felt that knowing Harry is probably an actual antagonist with motivations instead of a random lame plot device made him more interesting or at least tolerable.
Posted by MattP (Member # 10495) on :
Well, I've read the first book and plan to read the others so it's the books I'm worried about being spoiled. I understand knowledge of the book plots can add to the discussion about the show, but warnings would be nice.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
Okay, fair enough.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
Man I hope Lumin doesn't die by the end of this season.
I do still feel like ditching Aster and Cody was lazy of the writers, although there's plenty going on without them.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
I think this is the first episode where things really felt as awesome as they did in Season 4.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Lumen rocks.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
Completely agree. I wish she could become a permanent part of the show. Knowing that there's likely a cap on how many episodes Julia Styles is interested in doing though really limits the possibilities for her character.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
I actually think there's a better than 50% chance that she'll stay on for at least the next season. I'm basing this off the whole "Take It" subtheme. I could see that culminating in an end-of-season decision where Dexter/Lumen are at a crossroads, with her leaning towards leaving, but with Dexter's internal monologue echoing the various statements that the motivational guy has been making about how he needs to find something to make him whole again. And he ends up saying to himself "know what? Screw it, I want this" and taking the leap in asking her to stay.
The guest star usually doesn't stay on for more than a season, but this season also wrote off one major character (Rita) so replacing her with another is a little more likely. And since there's only 12 episodes a year, it's not like Julia Styles is locked completely into the show without having time for anything else.
On a similar note... how wrong is it me (presumably all of us) to be GLAD to Lumen is so emotionally scarred that Dexter actually looks like a decent guy?
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
I actually get the feeling that Lumen is being corrupted by Dexter.
The name is probably symbolic, though, so the influence might inverted at some point.
I'm pretty pleased that La Guerta is still evil. Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
BTW, Raymond, I think you are right to be annoyed that Season 4 was essentially treated like ancient history. Shouldn't Deb be obsessed with finding Trinity?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by scifibum: I actually get the feeling that Lumen is being corrupted by Dexter.
The name is probably symbolic, though, so the influence might inverted at some point.
I'm pretty pleased that La Guerta is still evil.
I hope Deb destroys her.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
quote:how wrong is it me (presumably all of us) to be GLAD to Lumen is so emotionally scarred that Dexter actually looks like a decent guy?
Ha ha! I'm in total agreement. And I hope you're right about Lumen staying around another season.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Well ima bit mixed with la Guerta, yes shes still a bitch but then again she's come along way and does seem good at the job and much better alternative than her boss whose even more of a careerist.
She deserves a good slap and a lesson in humility but nothing so drastic that it forces some unfortunate unforseen consequences.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
I'm betting (with real imaginary money) that La Guerta dies this season.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I don't want her to die. I want her to retire in disgrace.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
OMG OMG OMG!
This episode makes up for everything that bothered me. Great to see Aster, glad to see her interacting with Lumen in a way that established a (relatively) positive relationship between the characters, glad to see the tension stepping up.
I'm hoping that the season finale cliffhanger involves Debra figuring out Dexter's secret.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
quote:I'm hoping that the season finale cliffhanger involves Debra figuring out Dexter's secret.
That has been my fervent hope for a couple of seasons. I hope it really happens this time. It would just seem cruel if they dangle the possibility again and then deny it- again.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
See! La Guerta does sorta have something akin to a heart.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
It does not make sense for me why she threw Deb under the bus on the club shooting. Somehow her tearful "don't be mad at me" speech seemed to persuade Deb that it wasn't a horrible thing to do, but I didn't really understand why. Maybe I need to watch it again.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
quote:It does not make sense for me why she threw Deb under the bus on the club shooting. Somehow her tearful "don't be mad at me" speech seemed to persuade Deb that it wasn't a horrible thing to do, but I didn't really understand why.
I think Dexter has started relying a little more on the "Idiot Plot" technique which I'm not thrilled about. It's not nearly as bad as a lot of other shows but still. I always hate it when situations (in any show/movie) get set up that would be resolved if the characters just explained themselves (and most of the time they're given the chance that any rational person would take) and then wont for no good reason (often "pride", but not realistic pride).
Her speech was actually kind of the opposite. It was clearing up the idiot plot problem. She explains that doing what she did will get Debra a few weeks (?) time filing and then everything will have blown over for everyone. It doesn't sound very realistic bust since it's a TV show and apparently it already has blown over I guess it works.
Hobbes Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
My take was that Deb still thinks that La Guerta's betrayal is horrible. But Deb felt that not pursuing a murderer for political reasons was crossing beyond horrible. When La Guerta changed her mind, Deb was appeased- but only on that issue.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
I honestly wasn't that clear on Deb's reaction (she's written so unstable I can never really figure out when she'll be set-off be something five shows later) but I was confident enough about La Guerta's meaning to post something. Doesn't mean I wasn't wrong though ...
Hobbes Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
Someone on the internet theorized that Lumen is going to end up taking the fall for the murders, allowing her to get written off the show and Dex to maintain the status quo. This has the frustrating ring of truth to it. I really hope she stays on for at least another season.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
It relies on Lumen not saying anything about Dexter. Which, if Dexter allows her to take the blame, doesn't ring true.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
I forget, does Dexter's code make exceptions for murderers that he likes? Or is he allowed to kill Lumen?
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
Hmm. I think the conclusion of this episode came a bit too early. Wasn't exactly unreasonably, but I'd have preferred them waiting a few episodes and requiring a little more effort on Dexter's part. Also seemed like Lumen should have at least some mild hangups about sex in general. Dunno.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
I was happy with them getting together. I think Dexter's lack of effort was pretty reasonable given Lumen's history. He didn't want to push for it- it had to be extremely clear the push was coming from her. I expected her to have hangups about sex, but I could also see her initiating it showing her taking back over control of that part of her life and taking it away from her rapists.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
I guess that does make some sense. It worked, but I do kinda feel like her character was written too conveniently to create a love interest for Dexter, rather than be the sort of character who is written for their own purposes. I'd have liked to at least pretend to keep it ambiguous for a while.
Then again, since she's probably getting written off in two episodes (cry) better make the most of it.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
Ha ha. I'll share a box of tissues with you when her time on Dexter comes to an end.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
I watched the scene again and was actually really impressed with the acting subtleties. The first time I watched it I was trying to do something else at the same time and didn't get to really pay attention, but you can really see a lot of conflicted emotion in both Dexter and Lumen's face. While I still think Lumen's character is a bit contrived, once you accept the fact that her character exists, I think the way the sex scene played out made a lot of sense, and touched upon all the issues it needed to.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
GAHHH!!!!
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
Alright. I am annoyed that they chose to keep the status quo, but confess that the way in which they maintained it made sense.
The part with Deb was particularly great. The suspense was real, because if there was EVER a time that Deb could have found out and been able to accept it, that would have been it. But her decision not to look behind the curtain was beautiful in its own way and I'm okay with them doing it.
Lumen leaving.... eh... okay honestly that was the right, healthy thing for her to do, and certainly better for Dexter than her getting killed. Oddly, it's a sort of GOOD version of the CDC from Walking Dead. (Spoilers if you haven't seen Walking Dead. I think if you like Dexter you'll probably also like WD, and there's only six episodes so far)
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I hated the CDC in Walking Dead for being suddenly introduced and then destroyed in one episode, and for providing no new information at ALL (seriously, the dude couldn't even figure out if the plague was fungal? What the hell kind of scientist are you if you haven't at least rule OUT some disease possibilities?)
The one thing the episode DOES, but in a lame, heavyhanded manner, is it removes all hope from the show. The brightest minds in the US studying the plague were unable to come up with a cure. It creates an atmosphere of total desolation, which is important.
In this case, Dexter thought he found his soulmate. He literally is never, ever going to find a woman who can come close to Lumen's ability to look him in the eye and understand him. And even understanding and loving him, Lumen STILL could not stay with him. Rita's death left him alone, but Rita never truly understood him. Lumen gave him enough genuine hope for the future that losing her means basically losing everything. It was incredibly sad and poignant.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
quote:The part with Deb was particularly great. The suspense was real, because if there was EVER a time that Deb could have found out and been able to accept it, that would have been it. But her decision not to look behind the curtain was beautiful in its own way and I'm okay with them doing it.
I am not okay with it. I'm not even sure why I watch this show. No genuine risks are ever taken and the status quo always remains. What's even worse than the Deb thing, is the Quinn thing. He's got to know Dexter killed this guy and was Kyle Butler and yet he's going to keep his mouth shut and be cool with it? Ludicrous.
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
I'm kind of sick of them dangling the whole "is Deb going to find out" nonsense. Can she please just figure it out already!
I think the show is doing a decent job with storytelling and developing Dexter's character, but it feels like they're missing so much potential. Its like the writers are putting forth 70% in their efforts, and while its not bad, it could be so much better.
I went into tonight's episode hoping Deb would find out, waiting for the whole Quinn thing to explode, and looking forward to the showdown with Jordan Chase. But Deb didn't find out, Quinn was arrested and then released almost immediately, and Chase was ridiculously easy to kill. Yeah, the scene with Deb and the plastic sheet was intense, Lumen on the boat was a lovely scene, and Michael C Hall had some amazing scenes as Dexter, but it was a finale that played out with a fizzle when I usually expect them to go out with a bang and an amazing cliffhanger or something.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
It comes down a lot to expectations.
I DO strongly prefer shows that have strong, forward moving dynamic storylines. Most of my favorite shows are like that. And most of my favorite shows have another quality: they have been cancelled.
quote:No genuine risks are ever taken and the status quo always remains.
When shows take risks, the results are often more dramatic and interesting. But "dramatic and interesting" is only one half of the equation - the other half is that a risk is an actual risk. It can cause a show to jump the shark if done wrong. And even if its done right, it can cause people to get confused and lose interest. There's a REASON most shows don't attempt to do it at all.
Dexter is fairly unique in that even though the status quo never changes permanently, each season is a single, forward-moving storyline. As far as formulas to stick to, it's not that bad. I agree that they missed out on a lot of potential this season, but the show is still among the best out there.
I think Dexter IS popular enough that at this point they can really afford to take some risks. But also bear in mind that Dexter's status quo has an EXTREMELY narrow margin of workability before the whole situation falls apart. In this case, Debra finding out probably also leads to Quinn finding out pretty quickly as well.
Right now, Quinn's actions are not logical, but they WERE feasibly in character. He doesn't actually know anything about Dexter for sure. He also doesn't want to antagonize Deb. (This feels a little off if you assume that he just started having feelings for her, but if you assume that there's been some chemistry all along its not unreasonable).
He's being deliberately delusional - choosing not to think about Dexter because he knows that if he does, he's likely to find out things that are going to ruin whatever he has with Deb. But as long as he DOESN'T think about it, he has plausible deniability, not only for the police but for his own conscience.
Rational? No. But people do irrational things like that all the time. It's a little contrived, but it's not unrealistic.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Deb knows.
Come on, she isn't stupid. She knows. She's seen Lumen, and she can see the resemblance.
"I am. I'm happy. You must be, too. Now that this is all over, I mean."
And the way Dexter looked at her, I think he may have a glimmer that she knows. And yes, that line is ambiguous. She could be referring to Aster and Cody being back in his life again. But I don't think so.
I don't think Deb has any idea that Dexter has killed anyone other than Jordan and his gang. I don't think she'd take that as well.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
Hmm. I wouldn't be surprised if they went that route. I do hope that by the end of next season, the thing with Deb and Quinn and Dex has been resolved more definitively. After the way they ended this season I wouldn't bet on it, but could see Quinn and Deb both "knowing" without really admitting to themselves that they know.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Deb knows.
Come on, she isn't stupid. She knows. She's seen Lumen, and she can see the resemblance.
But that still seems unlikely. Deb would almost certainly know multiple women who fit the type; why would Lumen stand out to her as a likely victim of the Chase gang?
I'll have to re-watch that part you quoted, about things being over now. That does seem like a clue that Deb is supposed to know. It just doesn't seem like she should.
Perhaps if I take into account that Deb found out that Dexter was personally involved with Chase, Lumen's connection to Dexter might then link her to Chase. Hmm.
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
Been watching some Julia Styles interviews. It seems like she was open to doing additional seasons. (She said "she kinda expected Lumen to get killed, but was shocked and saddened when she found out how she breaks up with Dexter, essentially rejecting him completely as a person").
I'm finding myself more and more wishing/hoping that she stayed on the show, not only to give Dexter a happy ending, but to give her some time to develop as a character in her own right, beyond being a plot device for Dexter's development. So far we've only seen her basically be portrayed as the perfect companion for Dexter, and if she's gone for good then she remains a perfect idol on a pedestal that he will always compare is life to. Whereas Rita had some plots that were unrelated to Dexter (getting a new job), or places where she was frustrated with him.
I really don't expect her to return. But since we DON'T have any cliffhangers whatsoever for Season 6, I can at least pretend for the next 9 months.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
I think the "what will Quinn do" question is sort of an interesting tie to next season, if they use it (given how thoroughly they ignored Trinity this season, maybe they won't). Quinn's own character has always been sort of shady, and now he's in cahoots with Dexter, to some degree (the two might disagree on how much). That'll provide some interesting tension.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I like Quinn. But I don't see him accepting Dexter's hobby even if it means losing Deb.
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