At the scene where Kevin gets taken by the Exlorer person Carl's decision to bring his House to the Falls is somehow implied to be Selfish or morally "wrong", JustBugsMe, I can understand the kid y'know not understanding but that the movie seems to give the impression that this is the Aesop is supports disturbs me, he has every right to feel more for the memory of the love of his life whom he was married to for decades then a random prehistoric bird.
This really bugged me, the movie is "fun" but this part tarnished it for me.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
He promised the kid he would help the bird.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
It seemed like Flawed delivery.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Dunno...seemed pretty straightforward to me.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
The scene makes sense to me. It wasn't just the bird, he was forming a connection to Russel, it wasn't just about holding on to the memory of his wife, but something bigger. So that's why he went off to save the bird and help Russel out. Plus he sort of was a kindred spirit anyway, kind of like his younger self. His wife wouldn't have wanted him to just hold on to the house and miss her after all.
Posted by lolcats (Member # 12060) on :
It makes perfect sense to me. Up portrays Carl's grief heartrendingly (especially in the first 20 minutes--I full out cried) and then shows how he lets go of it. His wife is dead... Russell and the bird are in the present. Realizing he has to live in the present and put that first--that's healing.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
*nod* Blayne, what the movie counts on its viewers to understand is that Carl's wife would be horrified to learn that he kept an essentially meaningless (as we see from her scrapbook later) promise to her at the risk of a child's life and/or happiness.
Posted by daventor (Member # 11981) on :
I'm probably just repeating what everyone else has stated but, yeah, I think the movie makes you (or at least made me) feel Carl's attachment to his house and objects as symbols of his life with his wife and makes you sympathize with it, but in the end teaches an important TRUTH: material things are just material things, whatever personal sentiment you attach to them; what is MOST important is the relationship you have with the living right now.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote: I can understand the kid y'know not understanding but that the movie seems to give the impression that this is the Aesop is supports disturbs me
I don't understand this.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
"I can understand the kid, y'know, not understanding -- but that the movie seems to give the impression that this is the Aesop (moral) it supports disturbs me."
Posted by Sala (Member # 8980) on :
Thanks, Tom. I was having difficulty parsing that sentence as well.
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
I kind've agree with Blayne's point, though I liked the movie. Aside from when the "choice" is presented to the character, it's not a straight-up choice; he arguably has the power to save his house (and with it the ability to survive in the wilderness and travel about, at least for a limited time), whereas saving the bird means actively taking on a better-equipped foe in their home territory.
That the scout presents it as "you gave her away" is more than slightly unfair. I think Pixar recognizes this, though.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Blayne, this recent thread for "Up" already exists. Please take the time to look for existing threads. You've been starting a lot of threads lately, please reserve your threads for stuff that's more original.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: "I can understand the kid, y'know, not understanding -- but that the movie seems to give the impression that this is the Aesop (moral) it supports disturbs me."
Its like I own a walking universal translator!
Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
I really need to see this movie.
Posted by Magson (Member # 2300) on :
Yes Jenny, you do!
I don't give it all the plaudits it's seeming to get from most people. I'd actually put it in the bottom half of my personal "Pixar movies ranked from best to worst" list.
But it's still an amazing movie that I enjoyed both time I saw it, and it will be in my DVD collection when it's released.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenny Gardener: I really need to see this movie.
YES YOU DO! SEE IT RIGHT NOW! Drop everything and SEEEE THIS WONDERFUL MOVIE!