Have fun CR 1558 I think.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
quote:hp 200626 (6144d10+166834 HD)
Damn, that's gonna take a hell of a time to roll out. Better start now.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Monsters get average hit points, actually, so that's no problem.
But I don't understand the basis for making Lavos this powerful. At the bottom of the entry they discuss varying power of nuclear weapons, illustrating how even nukes measured in teratons wouldn't be enough to destroy him. This simply doesn't jive with what happens in Chronotrigger, where three tough warriors/magi/robots are able to chew up Lavos and spit him out.
It seems like a ridiculous exercise in Big Numbers™, without any real logic or rationale to back it up.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
But I believe he used Immortals Hand book to come up with the numbers considering its size in relation to the world map, that even crashing into a planet wasn't enough to hurt it.
As for why a Samurai, a Engineer, a Robot, a Princess, a frog, a cavegirl, and a Mage were able to defeat Lavos (with these stats) I don't know, maybe there were all super high level and could in the course of a complicated DnD paper battle actually crack the shell and go in? Maybet he sword was adamantine?
I think largely though it is a thought experiment much like Pun Pun.
For exmaple here we have a creature with CR 84,500,000.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
I believe those nukes are rather underestimated.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
I'm familiar with Pun Pun, but that's got nothing to do with Lavos. One is a game breaking loophole exploitation, the other appears to be an arbitrarily powerful monster.
However, I haven't seen Immortal's Handbook. So, there you go. That probably explains it all to a satisfactory degree.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Seems if Im reading right there could be a number of ways to kill something that huge even with low level characters.
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
Ever try using an online translator multiple times through multiple languages on one block of text? This seems very analogous.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
That makes sense in this reality.... in what way?
Posted by dantesparadigm (Member # 8756) on :
I think he's implying your previous statement was a little garbled, though still understandable.
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
Nah, more that It sounds like the creators here took a video game creature, scaled it using real-world size comparisons, than tried to render it in D&D rules. The multiple translations have led to something totally different than what was originally intended.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
I think that's a very accurate assessment, Juxtapose.
Posted by manji (Member # 11600) on :
Perhaps Chrono Trigger is on the same scale as the action from Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children. I seem to recall Frog using the Masamune to split a mountain.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
My daughter skunked Lavos in ping-pong.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
I'm very glad Blayne did not heed my suggestion to keep all of his D&D junk confined to a single thread.
No, wait...what's the opposite of 'glad'?
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by manji: Perhaps Chrono Trigger is on the same scale as the action from Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children. I seem to recall Frog using the Masamune to split a mountain.
I don't recall that at all.
Posted by swbarnes2 (Member # 10225) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by manji: I seem to recall Frog using the Masamune to split a mountain.
I don't recall that at all.
It's more of a hill, really. Frog gets the sword, and splits open a hill, and that's the entrance to Magus's castle. Then you fight Magus as he's trying to summon Lavos, and the botched attempt opens a portal, and I think you end up in the Ice Age...etc.
Plotwise, it's the reason that you can't fight Magus in 600 AD without going through the Masemune forging sub-plot.
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
quote:Originally posted by swbarnes2:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by manji: I seem to recall Frog using the Masamune to split a mountain.
I don't recall that at all.
It's more of a hill, really. Frog gets the sword, and splits open a hill, and that's the entrance to Magus's castle. Then you fight Magus as he's trying to summon Lavos, and the botched attempt opens a portal, and I think you end up in the Ice Age...etc.
Plotwise, it's the reason that you can't fight Magus in 600 AD without going through the Masemune forging sub-plot.
Actually you go to 65,000,000 B.C. after you fight Magus, but that's a minor point. Everything else is correct. Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by swbarnes2:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by manji: I seem to recall Frog using the Masamune to split a mountain.
I don't recall that at all.
It's more of a hill, really. Frog gets the sword, and splits open a hill, and that's the entrance to Magus's castle. Then you fight Magus as he's trying to summon Lavos, and the botched attempt opens a portal, and I think you end up in the Ice Age...etc.
Plotwise, it's the reason that you can't fight Magus in 600 AD without going through the Masemune forging sub-plot.
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CR 1558 I think.