quote: The woman who had her pet dog cloned by South Korean scientists flatly denied early today that she was a bail abscondee accused of sexually assaulting and kidnapping a male Mormon missionary more than 30 years ago in Surrey. ... The story of Joyce McKinney is nothing if it is not larger than life. She was accused of kidnapping and sexually assaulting the 17-stone Kirk Anderson, a Mormon missionary, who had become the object of her passionate affections.
After a brief affair in the United States, Joyce McKinney, then 28, seems to have tracked Mr Anderson, then 19, to Ewell in Surrey, where he had been posted for two years as a door-to-door Mormon missionary. ... To add further mystery and zing to the whole story, Mr Anderson was said to have been wearing a Mormon chastity belt at the time. Joyce McKinney is also said to have read him religious texts and played him romantic tapes before sexually stimulating him. In her defence, she claimed that it was a bondage game played with his full consent. Legend has it that after he eventually promised to marry her she loosened his chains and he then escaped.
Is there really such a thing as a "Mormon chastity belt?"
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
LDS friends and I have been discussing it and have decided that 1) she is almost certainly the same lady and 2) the "chastity belt" probably was a police or media misinterpretation of garments, which would have been one-piece back then.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Not that I've ever heard of.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
Interesting. She forced him to have sex with her. The other way around and it would have been rape. I wonder why the author chose to phrase it that way?
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I think technically she was going to be charged with "sexual assault." Back in the 70s I hear people got a good laugh out of the story, sadly.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:The other way around and it would have been rape.
"Rape," in many jurisdictions, only refers to a single particular act that can't be done to a male.
They did use the term "sexual assault."
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dagonee:
quote:The other way around and it would have been rape.
"Rape," in many jurisdictions, only refers to a single particular act that can't be done to a male.
They did use the term "sexual assault."
That's a bit sad. men can indeed be raped. But it's underreported.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:That's a bit sad. men can indeed be raped. But it's underreported.
In strictly legal terms, in the jurisdictions I'm referring to, men can be sexually assaulted. Women can be sexually assaulted or raped.
Some states have done away with the offense of rape altogether, simply having grades of sexual assault.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Right. It's not that people are saying it wasn't rape-- but that the legal definition of the crime that occurred falls under "sexual assault."
Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dagonee:
quote:The other way around and it would have been rape.
"Rape," in many jurisdictions, only refers to a single particular act that can't be done to a male.
They did use the term "sexual assault."
I was under the impression that it is the perpetrator who determines the use of the term "rape". In that only males can rape people. A male can still be raped, but only by another male.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
Ok, that explains it. It's still really weird, but it's a good explanation.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
quote:Originally posted by MEC:
quote:Originally posted by Dagonee:
quote:The other way around and it would have been rape.
"Rape," in many jurisdictions, only refers to a single particular act that can't be done to a male.
They did use the term "sexual assault."
I was under the impression that it is the perpetrator who determines the use of the term "rape". In that only males can rape people. A male can still be raped, but only by another male.
I believe that in legal terms that's called sodomy. I could be wrong, though; I'm sure Dag can confirm.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Oh my stars.
Creepy!!! So creepy!
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:I was under the impression that it is the perpetrator who determines the use of the term "rape". In that only males can rape people. A male can still be raped, but only by another male.
Nope, at least not at traditional common law and the many states whose laws derive from it. The nature of the proscribed act requires that the rapist have a particular male anatomical feature, and the explicit definition required that the victim be a woman.
quote:I believe that in legal terms that's called sodomy. I could be wrong, though; I'm sure Dag can confirm.
Yes. It was a felony whether consensual or not at English and traditional American common law. Forcible sodomy is a separate offense in some states, a grade of sexual assault in others.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I feel sorry for Mr. Anderson, who probably does not want this dredged up after 30 years.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
I remember this being discussed when I was little, I guess I would have been 7 or so. My older siblings, of course, had lots of questions.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Why do people think it is the same person?
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
They have the same last name and look remarkably similar.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Really, really similar. Almost like an older version of the same lady. Plus they're similarly obssessive. And this lady goes by the middle name of the lady in the original case, and the same last name.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
Man, I love British reporting. I wasted about three hours last night just amusing myself with their headlines. They are much more straight-forward and I find it hilarious.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
quote:Miss McKinney’s own lawyer, Stuart Elgrod, has been bombarded over the years by calls from his former client. Mr Elgrod is ill but his wife, Natalie, said: “Not again! She always was a nutter. Every so often she finds us and drives us mad. Last time she wanted to know what material Stuart had because they wanted to make a film about her. Anthony Hopkins was going to play the part of Stuart.”
The woman is clearly crazy, but the British reporting is a hot riot.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
quote: Through tears, she explained that she went public with her efforts to replicate Booger, who died two years ago, hoping people would be able to focus on that story rather than the "garbage" of the past.
"I thought people would be honest enough to see me as a person who was trying to do something good and not as a celebrity," McKinney said. "My mother always taught me, 'Say something good or say nothing at all.'
"I think I gave people too much credit," she said.
Has she completely lost her mind?
--j_k
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
It doesn't look like she was ever entirely sane.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Has she completely lost her mind?
Is it possible to loose something you never possessed?
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
quote: NASHVILLE, Tenn. - A woman who made headlines by having five pups cloned and was linked to an abduction case in England is also wanted in Tennessee on charges she tried to plan a burglary in 2004, a defense attorney and prosecutors there said.
Joyce Bernann McKinney was charged in Carter County with criminal conspiracy to commit aggravated burglary, contributing to the delinquency of a minor and failure to appear in court, said attorney David Crockett, who represented her in the Tennessee case. Authorities there said she instructed a 15-year-old boy to break into a house, and Crockett said she needed the money to buy a false leg for a beloved horse.
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McKinney was arrested in November 2004 in Tennessee in a van with the 15-year-old, according to a Carter County Sheriff's Department arrest report.
McKinney, then living across the state line in Avery County, N.C., needed money to help her three-legged horse, Crockett said.
Wow. Seriously, awesomely, wow.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
LOL
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
This is all starting to sound like the Global News. All we need now is Bat Boy somewhere.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: This is all starting to sound like the Global News. All we need now is Bat Boy somewhere.
You're thinking of The Weekly World News. Or as I call it, "The Paper".
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Last night after the Olympics there was a story on the 30 year anniversary of the Immanuel David Cult murder/suicides. The 70's was such an interesting time to be a Mormon. I have a new appreciation for the efforts of the church to distance itself from even minor apostacies, which I used to see as intellectual repression.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Noemon:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: This is all starting to sound like the Global News. All we need now is Bat Boy somewhere.
quote: NASHVILLE, Tenn. - A woman who made headlines by having five pups cloned and was linked to an abduction case in England is also wanted in Tennessee on charges she tried to plan a burglary in 2004, a defense attorney and prosecutors there said.
Joyce Bernann McKinney was charged in Carter County with criminal conspiracy to commit aggravated burglary, contributing to the delinquency of a minor and failure to appear in court, said attorney David Crockett, who represented her in the Tennessee case. Authorities there said she instructed a 15-year-old boy to break into a house, and Crockett said she needed the money to buy a false leg for a beloved horse.
...
McKinney was arrested in November 2004 in Tennessee in a van with the 15-year-old, according to a Carter County Sheriff's Department arrest report.
McKinney, then living across the state line in Avery County, N.C., needed money to help her three-legged horse, Crockett said.
Wow. Seriously, awesomely, wow.
Dude. This lady has issues.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
"You're thinking of The Weekly World News. Or as I call it, "The Paper". "
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Plus they're similarly obssessive. And this lady goes by the middle name of the lady in the original case, and the same last name.