Drizzt Du'Orden, Samurai Jack and Ruruuni Kenshin (from OVA).
I would pay real money to see that fight if well done.
Now why would they fight? Well my fan fiction of it stems from Aku Resurrecting Drizzt and Kenshin inorder to battle jack only for Jack through nobility of spirit to break Aku's control over them.
My brain thinks up some interesting things sometimes ^-^
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
I only know who Samurai Jack is, so I can't answer. Interesting question though. Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
And here I thought this was going to be pr0n...
Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
European: Inigo Montoya, Zorro, and Will Turner
Fantasy: Aragorn, Benedict of Amber, and Conan the Barbarian
Sci-Fi: we've already seen it-- the duel of the fates from Ep. I.
Asian Martial Arts tend towards dissimilar weapons so I couldn't really pick... (which is an excuse for "I don't know enough fictional asian swordsmen to pick the three best")
and @ Pix
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
D has got to be on the list.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
D?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote: Fantasy: Aragorn, Benedict of Amber, and Conan the Barbarian
There's no contest on that one.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Drizzt Du'Orden is a Drow Ranger/Fighter who specializes in Two Sword Scimitar fighting style. Also possesses magic bracers that increase speed instead of using them on his arms he uses them on his feet to give him a speed advantage.
Kenshin is the Ronin-Assassin Archetype Japanese tragic hero who masters Battojutsu and Kenjutsu eventually in an effort to regain his humanity forgoes his sword and replaces it with a reverse blade sword, but for the sake of a more interesting sword fight lets give him back his kickass Man Slayer personality and a normal sword.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
Blayne, I am 100% sure you're a bigger fan of Drizzt Do'Urden than I am, and have read more books about him (since I haven't read any). So are you really going to make me correct you on the spelling for his name? Is it that hard? I mean, that post wasn't even all that typo ridden.
Also, MPH: I don't know who Benedict of Amber is, but I'm curious who you think the obvious winner is.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Also, MPH: I don't know who Benedict of Amber is, but I'm curious who you think the obvious winner is.
That's why you don't already know. Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
What about Nameless from Hero? Also, Scott MacCleod should really be considered.
And although Jim-Me covered for you, the fact that you initially left out ANY jedi is criminal.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I'd say Li Mu Bai while in possession of Green Destiny would be a top contender.
Dag: D is definately a tough dude, but he does not hold a candle to Janemba of Dragon Ball Z fame.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
*scoffs*
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
Miyamoto Usagi from Usagi Yojimbo should be included.
Also Aerin Dragon-Killer from Robin McKinley's Damar books.
And Boy Blue from Fables.
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
I thought about mentioning Boy Blue also, but he's really less "swordsman" and more "man with a sword." That sword just happens to be Jabberwocky's Bane. That fight would end way too quickly to be interesting.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
How so, Juxtapose? Before he became Char's secret agent, he was an expert soldier and swordsman. Even when he didn't have ol' Snicker-Snack, he's proven himself a Dread Pirate Roberts-level combatant. Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dagonee: *scoffs*
Don't try your legalese mumbo jumbo, it won't work here!
Also are we talking about D after the first or second movie?
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
"he's proven himself a Dread Pirate Roberts-level combatant." Really? If you're just talking the battle at World's End Keep, then I agree he distinguished himself, but I'm not sure that qualifies him as one of the greatest of all time.
Then again, this may have happened in a part of Fables I haven't gotten around to reading yet, in which case I'll have to unceremoniously flee this conversation.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Why are we even talking about this?
Groo would handily defeat every person mentioned here, indivdually or en masse.
Granted he would also inadvertantly kill the people he was protecting, but that's neither here nor there.
Posted by Fusiachi (Member # 7376) on :
Here's a matchup I'd like to see:
Bronn from ASOIAF vs. Duncan Idaho from Dune vs. Zatoichi the blind swordsman.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I included "Goodly" swordsmen from animes or novels that displayed some sense of realism in their combat styles. And not DBZ Hadokens.
*edit* that I know of.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote:Originally posted by Juxtapose: What about Nameless from Hero? Also, Scott MacCleod should really be considered.
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I'd say Li Mu Bai while in possession of Green Destiny would be a top contender.
I may point out that these two kind of highlight why this debate is rather ill-defined. The genre we're talking about is "Wuxia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuxia Nameless and Li Mu Bai are merely two examples of characters from these movies that have been targeted at Hollywood audiences. However, these characters in the process of changing their appeal to meet an international audience have been toned down a lot. In a process similar to that done on Batman in Batman Begins, where the more exaggerrated and over-the-top characteristics have been toned down, the same has occured in Chinese wuxia. There is also the issue that many of these actors are much older by the time they make it to Hollywood.
Jet Li is a good example, if you compare Nameless with one of his earlier "realistic" characters, say Wong Fei Hong, he's obviously in much better shape when he's young. Here is an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHi3izaoi_A For historical amusement, I might note that this is the scene that Yimou pays homage to in the opening fight of Hero (note the same actors) (duel-wield lightsaber fans may also appreciate the section starting at around 3:00)
But consider Jet Li, same actor, in a "classic" wuxia film, say Swordsman II. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNtEDM2sol0 Note the supernatural powers, crazy swordplay, and sheer over-the-top wackiness that comes up. Keep an eye out for Brigitte Lin
Now we can try to divide a line, but its really arbitrary. Are Jedi powers more "realistic" than supernatural powers? Is flying as in Crouching Tiger more realistic than superhuman strength and superhuman strength? Meh.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
Oh, and don't get me started on the Stephen Chow parodies of wuxia films such as "Forbidden City Cop" or (no joke) "Royal Tramp" Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
Obi-Wan Kenobi? I was always a big fan. I have a firm belief that Obi-Wan Kenobi as played by Alec Guinness could have destroyed anyone if he really felt the desire.
And, of course, Yoda shows off some pretty sweet moves in the prequels and video games.
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
Actually, if I had a choice, I'd rather have Nameless from the comic book adaption of Hero. I thought the ending, and what it implies about the character, was much better done.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:And, of course, Yoda shows off some pretty sweet moves in the prequels and video games.
No he doesn't. Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
My biggest problem with the entire Star Wars saga is that Obi Wan goes from bonzer badass jedi in EpI as an apprentice to a completely useless, whiny, Dweeb taken out by *one* of the guy the FRICKIN' STORMTROOPERS were based on in EpII and who only survives the murder of the Jedi and his climactic Duel with Anakin because his opponents are moronic.
If they had kept the Obi Wan from EpI, I could have probably enjoyed all three Star Wars prequels a great deal.
... and Nameless is not a great swordsman. He merely has one astounding technique.
Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:Also, MPH: I don't know who Benedict of Amber is, but I'm curious who you think the obvious winner is.
That's why you don't already know.
Of course Corwin did manage to beat him, Eric, and Borel all three... Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
No one has mentioned Hiro Protagonist, world's greatest swordsman? Come on, it's right on his business card!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Corwin didn't beat him in a swordfight, did he?
quote:No one has mentioned Hiro Protagonist, world's greatest swordsman? Come on, it's right on his business card!
Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
Benedict? yes he did... although, as usual, he cheated. Great line about Hiro... Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Refresh my memory. How did he cheat?
Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
The grass by the black road... he knew about it, Benedict didn't. So he led Benedict into it. It's in Guns of Avalon while Corwin and Ganelon are fleeing with the jewler's rouge.
I'm not sure that's not my favorite book in the series.
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
quote:... and Nameless is not a great swordsman. He merely has one astounding technique.
In the story, they pretty explicitly state that Nameless achieves the highest mastery of swordsmanship through his decision not to kill the king.
Posted by Darth_Mauve (Member # 4709) on :
no,no,no.
Yoda Elric
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Least Known--Zatoichi (from the original movies, not that recreation of a few years ago)
Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
quote:Originally posted by Juxtapose:
quote:... and Nameless is not a great swordsman. He merely has one astounding technique.
In the story, they pretty explicitly state that Nameless achieves the highest mastery of swordsmanship through his decision not to kill the king.
Philosophically, yes. That's why he's a hero.
But all three of the others could have kicked his ass were it not a setup.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Guys, you're talking about swordsmen who have indeed fought mighty battles.
Groo fights entire armies. For fun! Posted by Fusiachi (Member # 7376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fusiachi: Here's a matchup I'd like to see:
Bronn from ASOIAF vs. Duncan Idaho from Dune vs. Zatoichi the blind swordsman.
Actually, since Zatoichi is blind, I think I'll level the playing field and use Jaime Lannister instead of Bronn.
Of course, that kind of gives Duncan Idaho the upper hand. Then again, my money was on him, anyway. The Sardaukar soldiers he took out round out to at least 200 regular footmen.
Edit: And I totally forgot about Gurney Halleck. Make it a 4 man free-for-all, then.
Posted by Saephon (Member # 9623) on :
Take all of your pitiful heroes and pit them against my lover Guts, from the manga Berserk. The more the better! He specializes in chopping through legions
quote:Philosophically, yes. That's why he's a hero.
But all three of the others could have kicked his ass were it not a setup.
What makes you think so? Forgive my disbelief, but I definitely didn't get that out of the movie.
Aftter further thought, I'd also like to nominate Manji from Blade of the Immortal Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fusiachi:
quote:Originally posted by Fusiachi: Here's a matchup I'd like to see:
Bronn from ASOIAF vs. Duncan Idaho from Dune vs. Zatoichi the blind swordsman.
Actually, since Zatoichi is blind, I think I'll level the playing field and use Jaime Lannister instead of Bronn.
Of course, that kind of gives Duncan Idaho the upper hand. Then again, my money was on him, anyway. The Sardaukar soldiers he took out round out to at least 200 regular footmen.
Edit: And I totally forgot about Gurney Halleck. Make it a 4 man free-for-all, then.
Jaime after book 3? Because pre- Storm of Swords Jaime Lannister would wipe the floor with Bronn, Zatoichi, and Duncan at the same time.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jim-Me:
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:Also, MPH: I don't know who Benedict of Amber is, but I'm curious who you think the obvious winner is.
That's why you don't already know.
Of course Corwin did manage to beat him, Eric, and Borel all three...
Heh, I was supposed to post that. But I'm still torn between Benedict and err... me. I'd probably still pick Benedict if everything in the environment is known to both. Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
quote:Originally posted by Juxtapose: What makes you think so? Forgive my disbelief, but I definitely didn't get that out of the movie.
I think he explicitly states it when he proposes his plan to them, but it's been a couple of years since I've seen it.
Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
quote:Originally posted by Chris Bridges: Guys, you're talking about swordsmen who have indeed fought mighty battles.
This is very true, but it doesn't make for a particularly entertaining three-way battle... I think the key to that is finding three people who are evenly matched. Nobody else is even remotely in Groo's league.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jim-Me:
quote:Originally posted by Juxtapose: What makes you think so? Forgive my disbelief, but I definitely didn't get that out of the movie.
I think he explicitly states it when he proposes his plan to them, but it's been a couple of years since I've seen it.
IIRC, I think I recall that line too, although I think he's referring to between Maggie Cheung and Tony Leung's characters, that only the latter is a match for him, or so he thinks. Personally, I oppose this if only because this is Tony Leung
We never really know how Donnie's Yen character compares, even in terms of what he thinks.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Man, I am so old school...
d'Artagnan Zorro Galahad
Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
D'artagnan! that's who I was trying to think of...
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jim-Me:
quote:Originally posted by Juxtapose: What makes you think so? Forgive my disbelief, but I definitely didn't get that out of the movie.
I think he explicitly states it when he proposes his plan to them, but it's been a couple of years since I've seen it.
Uh oh, now I'll have to re-watch it. Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
About Yoda: With a light-sabre, he can certainly kill anyone who isn't similarly armed. Just chop their swords in half. That doesn't matter, though. He's still going to lose on points. Any rational judge will give him negative five hundred style points for a little green muppet who like this talks being.
Posted by Darth_Mauve (Member # 4709) on :
How about adding Peter Pan. He can out fly Yoda, out swash any pirates buckle, and out crow anyone.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
No one has even mentioned Red Sonja.
I'm sooo disappointed.
*grin*
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Darth_Mauve: How about adding Peter Pan. He can out fly Yoda, out swash any pirates buckle, and out crow anyone.
My memory could be shady but doesn't he always fight with a dagger, I can't remember if in the book he ever picks up a sword and fights with it.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
If anyone can break through the glass ceiling, it's Sonja.
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