Now, one bit about the story that caught my attention. He was hunting with a .50 caliber revolver. Kudos to the 11 year old hunting with a gun that would probably break my wrist if I ever fired it.
Over all, this is a very strange story... I'm not sure what sort of impression it leaves on me (so many stereotypes, so little time).
Posted by SoaPiNuReYe (Member # 9144) on :
Wow. Props to that kid. That thing looks like it could eat me.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Poor pig.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Sick sick sick. Letting a kid torture the pig for hours when the adults shoulda put it down with a rifle shot after the first hit.
Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
I am leery of this whole thing... not straight-up saying that it's false, but some of it seems quite fishy...
killing your first deer at 5 (when typical deer-hunting rifles would be 2-3x as long as you are tall) seems a big stretch. Heck, I started shooting .22s when I was about 8, but even large .22s were too big for me at that point.
then comes the intentional hunt using a .50 cal revolver by an 11 year old. not only is this going to be remarkably silly because pistols are such short range and innacurate firearms, but one that big (as mentioned already) would likely hurt adult wielders if fired...
And the claim that the kid hit the boar 8 times with said revolver also seems fishy. professional marksmen would probably have a hard time hitting a frantic animal like that (as it would have been after the first shot) that many times...
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Okay, spin off question. If a three foot tall man with correspondingly small bone size fired a pistol, would it fracture his wrists, as Architraz suggested?
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
They're having the head mounted. Did you enlarge the picture and look at it? That thing is ugly. I can't imagine displaying it somewhere. Give people nightmares.
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
If the kid was properly trained in using the gun, his wrist should (assuming the story is true) be fine.
As for calling what they did 'torture'...I'm on the fence. It ran, they gave chase. If it was able to outrun them for three hours it doesn't seem like it was too badly injured by the first shots. I could, of course, be wrong.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
TheGrimace, I live in Alabama and don't find it odd that someone would have killed a first deer at five. People take their hunting very seriously down here.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Are there really creatures like that running around in the woods down there? That is creepy beyond reason.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
quote:Originally posted by aspectre: Sick sick sick. Letting a kid torture the pig for hours when the adults shoulda put it down with a rifle shot after the first hit.
My thoughts too, aspectre.
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
quote:Originally posted by ClaudiaTherese:
quote:Originally posted by aspectre: Sick sick sick. Letting a kid torture the pig for hours when the adults shoulda put it down with a rifle shot after the first hit.
My thoughts too, aspectre.
Mine too.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I'm more disturbed that it's apparently normal for 5 and 10 year olds to be hunting. I have no problem whatsoever with hunting as a way to get meat. And this animal will be eaten -- as sausage, apparently.
I have a big problem with trophy hunting. And it's clear that was a main, possibly the main, goal here.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote: then comes the intentional hunt using a .50 cal revolver by an 11 year old. not only is this going to be remarkably silly because pistols are such short range and innacurate firearms,
Pistol hunting is becoming increasingly popular.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
I'm not expressing a concern about hunting as a way to get meat to eat. I am expressing a concern about doing it in a way that deliberately extends the suffering of the animal for no reason that I can see other than for ego and fame.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Still bugs the heck outta me me that it took 8to16 shots to kill the animal, because the adults didn't put it out of its misery. With a 50degree barrel upswing between shots and 5shots per reload, that ain't a case of tracking the pig for three hours after the initial hit then killing it. It appears to have been as cruel as hitting it, chasing it, hitting it, chasing it, hitting it, chasing it... ...then finally killing it.
[ May 26, 2007, 01:09 AM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
I don't get the point of killing it in the first place. What's so alluring about killing exotic animals?
Posted by Fusiachi (Member # 7376) on :
quote:Originally posted by advice for robots: I don't get the point of killing it in the first place. What's so alluring about killing exotic animals?
Hunting was once necessary for survival. It has been glorified by cultures since the beginning of man. Is it any wonder that people find pleasure in a good, old-fashioned hunt?
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
The "wild"hog is a common domesticated animal turned into a feral pest, an invasive species wrecking local ecologies.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
quote:I am expressing a concern about doing it in a way that deliberately extends the suffering of the animal for no reason that I can see other than for ego and fame.
That thing was monstrous. I know it didn't deserve to suffer and all, but ... Dang, yo.
I mean, my husband was reading this Clive Cussler book about genetically engineered fish, and I thought it was just stupid and ridiculous that the fish could be so monstrous, but this hog is the product of centuries of breeding for maximum meat output. I'm sure the hog didn't have the murderous agression of Clive Cussler's fish (which would be moronic to breed into a farmed animal).
If hunting is a passage into manhood, why let a 5 year old do it? :sigh: Well, as long as they eat it, I guess hunting in general (excluding the prolonged suffering of this animal) is up to the person. My husband doesn't like to eat poultry off the bone because it seems more barbaric to him. One person's barbarism is another person's celebration.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Fair enough. But I call barbarism when I see it.
Killing quickly and cleanly, to eat, is one thing. Killing slowly and with unnecessary pain and suffering, for drama, is another.
Posted by BaoQingTian (Member # 8775) on :
I had to laugh at this line:
quote: His father said that, just to be extra safe, he and the guides had high-powered rifles aimed and ready to fire in case the beast, with 5-inch tusks, decided to charge.
Because when a 1000 pound monster is charging an eleven year old, he needs to watch out for those tusks. I just hope it was the reporter, not the father saying that part.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote: "It feels really good," Jamison said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "It's a good accomplishment. I probably won't ever kill anything else that big."
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Jerry Cunningham of Jerry's Taxidermy. Cunningham said the animal measured 54 inches around the head, 74 inches around the shoulders and 11 inches from the eyes to the end of its snout.... "It's huge," he said. "It's just the biggest thing I've ever seen."
A) You could cut down a big tree. B) Try going to a zoo or look up into the sky some day Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote:Originally posted by aspectre: Sick sick sick. Letting a kid torture the pig for hours when the adults shoulda put it down with a rifle shot after the first hit.
Agreed, at least they didn't call it a sport this time.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:"It feels really good," Jamison said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "It's a good accomplishment. I probably won't ever kill anything else that big."
My first thought when I saw that was "Aw, poor kid, and to think some kids NEVER get to kill something that big." Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
Just saw this story on a (very) different forum and the following amusing comment (edited for language) Also, I have a strange sense of humour:
quote: Wonder what would have happened if the pig killed the kid and the rest of the hunting group.
"It feels really good," the pig said in a telephone interview with the Associated Press. "It's a good accomplishment. Sure the kid was small, but he had this [massive] hand cannon. And the rest of them had high powered rifles."
The pig is having patties made from the rest of the group. "We'll probably get 500 to 700 people burgers," he said.
link Posted by Architraz Warden (Member # 4285) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mucus: Just saw this story on a (very) different forum and the following amusing comment (edited for language) Also, I have a strange sense of humour:
quote: Wonder what would have happened if the pig killed the kid and the rest of the hunting group.
"It feels really good," the pig said in a telephone interview with the Associated Press. "It's a good accomplishment. Sure the kid was small, but he had this [massive] hand cannon. And the rest of them had high powered rifles."
The pig is having patties made from the rest of the group. "We'll probably get 500 to 700 people burgers," he said.
Yet further proof history is written by the victors.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
It's becoming "increasingly popular" to (1) hunt with a high caliber revolver, and (2) to take an eleven year old hunting with one?
Then again, I do know of someone that, on at least one occasion, went deer hunting with an AR-15...
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
I have a problem, like CT, with the manner in which they let the child kill the animal.
I don't have a problem with teaching young children skills like how to hunt for food, though. Children are much more capable than we give them credit for; it's a cultural thing, not a developmental thing. Not much use in teaching a child to shoot a gun at animals in our culture, however, in the Canela tribe of Brazil two and three year olds are taught how to use knives and build fires. Those are things we would never do! But it is necessary for them.
All that being said, I don't condone sport hunting whatsoever and am a Red woman at heart. You only kill what you need, use everything, and give thanks to the animal that gave its life to sustain yours.
Posted by Dimak (Member # 10484) on :
Sorry if this is a bit long. Ok I'm not going to question the validity of the story (which is kind of off). But I would'nt call that "Hunting" because the kid had a .50 cal. and the pig was just sitting there ,and what is wrong with the adults they should of put it out of its misery. This is just a messed up incident. But this is just my opinion.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Welcome to Hatrack, Dimak.
You know, I've checked several times now, and there really isn't anyone behind me. Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
Apparently, the boy's been getting some colorful hate mail...
I suspected that was the case, from what I read about the "preserve" where they hunted it. Although I just figured it was farm raised, not necessarily someone's pet that their grandchildren played with. Posted by The White Whale (Member # 6594) on :
quote: The big boar was hunted inside a large, low-fence enclosure and fired upon 16 times by Stone, who struck the animal nearly a half-dozen times during the three-hour hunt.
Nearly 6 out of 16? I don't hunt. Are those good hunting figures?
If I was a 1000+ pound pig, and some brat kid kept shooting me, I'd try to trample him, or sit on him, or something.
Bizarre.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
6 out of 16? Well, I guess it depends on how far away he was when he did the shooting.
And I think that if that pig had the disposition to attack humans, it wouldn't have been kept as a pet for so long, and it wouldn't have had a chance to grow as big.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
quote: "It's a good accomplishment. I probably won't ever kill anything else that big."
It's so weird that the act of killing, in and of itself, should be seen as an accomplishment. Nevermind the "I provided for the family by shooting a deer" idea. Just "I killed the biggest pig in the world!" I mean, what?
[edit: I missed the part about 500 lbs. of sausage. Gah.]
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
quote:Originally posted by The White Whale:
quote: The big boar was hunted inside a large, low-fence enclosure and fired upon 16 times by Stone, who struck the animal nearly a half-dozen times during the three-hour hunt.
Nearly 6 out of 16? I don't hunt. Are those good hunting figures?
If I was a 1000+ pound pig, and some brat kid kept shooting me, I'd try to trample him, or sit on him, or something.
Bizarre.
There's mixed factors on whether that's good or not. A young kid... with a gun bigger than he is... with sufficient recoil to knock him on his ass... is firing at a pig... that's the size of a Volkswagen... that might be a little upset about getting shot.
How did this hunt take three hours? Look at the thing! It's not like it can simply hide under the bushes or run away at 50MPH. And, unless he's firing at it from half a mile away, it'd be hard to miss.
And I hardly considering killing an animal that's in a "low-fence enclosure" an act of "hunting".
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:It's so weird that the act of killing, in and of itself, should be seen as an accomplishment. Nevermind the "I provided for the family by shooting a deer" idea. Just "I killed the biggest pig in the world!" I mean, what?
While I don't condone or encourage it, and have never hunted myself, I totally understand the sentiment of it being frikkin awesome to be the one who killed the biggest/baddest/bestest in the world.
quote: And, unless he's firing at it from half a mile away, it'd be hard to miss.
That's what I'm guessing happened (well, not half a mile away, but from long range.) I know that if I were to kill it, I wouldn't want to get too close.
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Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
Well, if that's the case and you are firing from a distance, why use a big bore pistol which is probably inaccurate as hell?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Because it's kewler to kill it with a pistol? Your guess is as good as mine.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
That was a rhetorical question. Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
From these accounts, this sounds extremely un-sportsmanlike and plain wrong. I have several family members for whom venison is a major staple of their diet. They never hunt on preserves and they use rifles or bows. I don't think any of them has ever killed even a 10-point buck with more than 2 shots. They enjoy the sport, but would never do it other than to eat. They save a lot of money on grocery bills and keep the deer population down in the most humane way possible (the populations of predators have dwindled so much that a lot of deer would starve to death if they weren't hunted).
You know, I think I'll email my cousins to see if they heard about this.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
A weird, weird story. And a weird odd at the bottom that is strangely attractive O_O.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:That was a rhetorical question. [Wink]
What's a rhetorical question? Posted by Fusiachi (Member # 7376) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:That was a rhetorical question. [Wink]
What's a rhetorical question?
In simple terms, a rhetorical question is a query designed for effect, rather than in search of an answer.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
*stabs*
Posted by Fusiachi (Member # 7376) on :
You ask a rhetorical question, you get a ... nevermind. Back to the thread at hand.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
I'd suggest banning pig farming until the wild pigs are hunted down and sold for meat.
Posted by Pegasus (Member # 10464) on :
no need to ban pig farming, just pay the farmers not to raise pigs.
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I just hope it was the reporter, not the father saying that part.
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