This doesn't surprise me. I'd always heard that Muhammad himself greatly respected women. The tradition of the dehumanization of women in Muslim culture comes from the traditions of the pre-Islamic Bedouin culture.
I sort of did my term paper on that in tenth grade. It was interesting.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
Good for her and good for them.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I found it interesting that the word usually translated to "infidel" (related to fidelity) she felt was closer to "ungrateful".
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
I encountered something like this in my Women In Religions class. The Quran is never officially translated, and all the "interpretations" have been made by scholars trained in the traditional middle eastern schools. This leads to many Muslims who aren't fluent in Arabic (and many who are) trusting the interpretations taught to them. And why shouldn't they?
But the prof showed us an excerpt related to marital conflict and how to appropriately deal with your wife. The same phrase had an entirely different meaning, with slightly different lexical choices.
Sometimes I'm convinced that Muslims have it right, and reading a text in the original language is the best way to go. And then I remember that even people who "know" Arabic are still translating in their heads, and trusting the lexical choices set out for them, and I get less certain.
There has to be a balance somewhere, but danged if I know where it is.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
Religious texts are always filtered through culture--class, gender, circumstance all effect how someone reads a religious text.
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
And how someone writes one.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote: I'd Really Rather You Didn't Judge People For The Way They Look, Or How They Dress, Or The Way They Talk, Or, Well, Just Play Nice, Okay? Oh, And Get This In Your Thick Heads: Woman = Person. Man = Person. Samey = Samey. One Is Not Better Than The Other, Unless We're Talking About Fashion And I'm Sorry, But I Gave That To Women And Some Guys Who Know The Difference Between Teal and Fuchsia.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
What's that from?
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
That is awesome! Why have I never seen that?
Posted by Krankykat (Member # 2410) on :
"I'd always heard that Muhammad himself greatly respected women."
Yup, all 12 wives and counting...
Posted by HollowEarth (Member # 2586) on :
Largely because the flying spaghetti monster became old and beyond annoying about a microsecond after it was invented by whatever jackass invented it.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
o_O
O...k.
Posted by 0Megabyte (Member # 8624) on :
Krankykat, why, exactly, do you insinuate that having 12 wives, most of whom were, if I recall correctly, widows who he married essentially to keep them from being put out on the street as an arguement that he didn't respect women?
Posted by airmanfour (Member # 6111) on :
quote:Originally posted by 0Megabyte: Krankykat, why, exactly, do you insinuate that having 12 wives, most of whom were, if I recall correctly, widows who he married essentially to keep them from being put out on the street as an arguement that he didn't respect women?
Widows, slaves, a Jew, and a nine year old. So says Wikipedia. It didn't say much about how they were treated in there.
I think it's interesting that the Koran puts the wife cap at four, but Muhammad was granted an exemption. By himself....?
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by HollowEarth: Largely because the flying spaghetti monster became old and beyond annoying about a microsecond after it was invented by whatever jackass invented it.
Perhaps to you. A fairly large number of other people have and will continue to find it amusing.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
And some are actually devout followers and don't find it amusing at all.
You figure they have to exist. There's just too many people in the world to not have at least one of everything, right?
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