Wow, look at all the disgusting little "Graemlins" that appear in a big cluster under the posting box. It's enough to make someone sick. Okay, what was I going to say...oh yeah.
As the topic header would indicate, this is a thread devoted to finding out what you all think of me.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Um...
Posted by Sibyl (Member # 10079) on :
quote:Originally posted by Survivor: As the topic header would indicate, this is a thread devoted to finding out what you all think of me.
I'm too much of a newbie to have any idea who you as an individual are from experience, but from the lowness of your member number, lower than some of the Card family (who appear to use their own names as nicks), you've been here a long, long time. You used that particular quotation for your subject line, which implies one of two things: either that you have an ego amounting to megalomaniacal, or you're simply Biblically oriented and rational about it. Since I'm reading back in the oldest threads that interest me, I guess I'll find out who you are, but probably not until I've interacted directly with you more. But I guess that I'm one of "all".
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Given your shall we say 'flamboyant' post in the Carter & Jews thread, all I can say about you for the time being is that I believe you're attempting to manipulate people into a bad reaction, and a negative opinion of you. Doing so rather crudely, too. As well as with your post in this thread, you're obviously trying to provoke people.
With that, my opinion of you is to be mildly curious as to why you'd want such a reaction, and distaste that you'd use such a method (even given its likely intent).
Beyond that? I don't think anything of you until after doing a search on your member name. 13 posts in over a year's time isn't really much to base an opinion on, but you've said some strange, distasteful, and potentially alarming things in that time. So I guess my further reaction would be a desire that you spoke more plainly in the future, without attempting to jerk people's chains so deliberately.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Given my respect for your sister, I will keep my opinion of you to myself.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
I can only quote from Ron Burgundy: "I get it, they're Survivor, and I'm not."
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
You seem to act like a very insecure, needy 12 year old who demands attention by being as rude as possible as often as possible.
I have never run across you here before, but that is how you seem today.
Posted by James Tiberius Kirk (Member # 2832) on :
Honestly, my first reaction is: you OK?
--j_k
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Given my respect for your sister, I will keep my opinion of you to myself.
Who is his sister?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
If she wants to volunteer that information, she will.
Posted by Will B (Member # 7931) on :
Why do you ask, Survivor?
Posted by TL (Member # 8124) on :
Are you the same Survivor from the writer's workshops?
Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :
You're a secret member of the Ultra-Ornery OSC Cabal bent on turning our fellow citizens into show-tune-singing communist robots!!!!!! I knew it!!!!
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
I know you. You have gotten thornier than before, and haughtier, and more contemptuous of humans, and less open to our thoughts and words and seemingly less aware of our divine status as children of God.
There's quite a bit of your poetry that I posted on the original potry thread from a time when you were younger and seemingly more alive.
I remember your first posts were intriguing and thought provoking, and very truthful, also I remember your devastating intelligence. Also your wisdom. But this harshness is not wisdom.
You say this is a cesspool. Is that because of us? Or is it a quality that you bring with you inside your own heart? Are you still trying to herd the rocks of your dream? What ever made you think that insulting and belittling people was the correct way to love them? That is a mistake, my friend. One that you are too intelligent and too wise to be making.
You know that I think very highly of you. And I wonder why you are asking this question here. I also wonder why you try to act so superior to us when your Master was born in a barn, and is a lamb.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Well this has to be the most obvious attempt at a "Look at me look at me!" thread that I've ever seen.
Kudos.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
In all fairness, I recall a thread actually called "Look at me! Look at me!" from a few years back.
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
Yeah, I'm Survivor from the writer's workshops. But it's okay if you want to regard that as a separate "persona" (it's really not, but that's beside the point). I'm more interested in what people think about my posting here and in other "unrestricted" forums.
rivka doesn't know any of my sisters all that well if she means what she said...but then, I already knew that much. The main issue is that the sister in question and I have different attitudes towards revealing personally identifiable information online. Since I have no interest in hiding my name, and she does, it causes the odd conflict when we tromp each other's pastures (so to speak).
I'm asking out of curiosity, mostly. I came here (as I mentioned before) to check out a particularly blatent troll surge against the writer's forums. Didn't find anything definite, though the final troll (before all the trolls were banned) was very...suggestive. I'm quite interested in finding out anything that might have been behind it (I'm pretty sure we already know who was behind it). But, sadly, I simply lack the patience to deal with all the inane crap that makes this forum the "lovely" place it is.
So I ask a direct question that should have some minor bearing on the issue. I'm not afraid to ask directly whether anyone knows anything about the recent trolling, but I doubt that easy answers would be forthcoming. So put that aside. I am, for reasons independent of that incident, interested in finding out what you all think and or know about me.
I'm rather astonished that PJ saw fit to edit my post about the Carter thing, by the way. Mostly what I said was that it wasn't anti-semitism because both sides are semitic, and the world would be better off if both sides started playing by the same rules. Perhaps I was a little too clear about which set of rules I would prefer, but that's hardly new information for anyone that recognizes my membername.
Anyway, if anyone wants to refer to what they thought about events of Oct. 2005, I'd be quite interested. I'm open to information about how my latest incursion is regarded, but I don't expect most of you to have really noticed it. Still, if you have, feel free to let me know your perspective on the matter.
P.S. Twelve, huh? Ah, to be young again...wait, I think we have run across each other.
Tatiana...you know it causes me pain. But I should humble myself before God rather than man. I cannot deny what I am, even though I do not fully understand why such an existance is necessary on this world. If you think my words are harsh, I have little comfort to offer you concerning what must soon come to pass.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I don't know who pissed in your little world, but if this in any way resembles what passes for thought for you, they deserve a cookie.
God himself waits until we are dead before passing judgment on us.
Too bad you haven't been able to follow his lead on that.
Posted by Will B (Member # 7931) on :
Survivor, I don't know what made the troll go a-trollin', but "that's what trolls do" is a pretty good answer.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Survivor,
quote:I'm asking out of curiosity, mostly. I came here (as I mentioned before) to check out a particularly blatent troll surge against the writer's forums. Didn't find anything definite, though the final troll (before all the trolls were banned) was very...suggestive. I'm quite interested in finding out anything that might have been behind it (I'm pretty sure we already know who was behind it). But, sadly, I simply lack the patience to deal with all the inane crap that makes this forum the "lovely" place it is.
So you're what, investigating an attack on your own forums? Investigating it how? By perpetrating trollish behavior here? Your claims and your methods don't match. Furthermore, you're not really being very remarkable with this "I'm not afraid to tell the unpleasant truth" angle-it's been heard before, from people more respected around here in the past. Perhaps if you offered some reasons, it might be taken seriously.
quote:I am, for reasons independent of that incident, interested in finding out what you all think and or know about me.
This seems rather self-important to me. Why should anyone know or care who you are and what you think about things? And furthermore, why should you care enough to post a haughty question/insult thread about it?
quote:But I should humble myself before God rather than man. I cannot deny what I am, even though I do not fully understand why such an existance is necessary on this world. If you think my words are harsh, I have little comfort to offer you concerning what must soon come to pass.
I seem to recall some suggestions within Christian doctrine (I'm presuming that, from Tatiana's post to you, and your response to it, that you're a Christian) of the value and importance of humility, even for good, honest, Christlike people and especially for the rest of us who fall far short of those excellent goals.
As for the rest...speak plainly and be done with it, please. Your words about "what must come to pass" lead me to think that you want people to jump through a variety of hoops for you, guessing your meaning and perhaps gaining wisdom from understanding your perspective. What makes you think you merit that sort of consideration? I'm not even saying that as an insult, but as an honest critical question: instead of asking us what we think of you, show us why we should think of you.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
If we are a cesspit, why do you care at all?
It can't be because of trolling.....you are too familiar with trolling yourself to mind it much.
Wait....let me guess.
If YOU care about it, trolling about it isn't a good thing. Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:Anyway, if anyone wants to refer to what they thought about events of Oct. 2005, I'd be quite interested.
Sophie wore a purple unicorn outfit and carried a tiny, fist-sized wicker pumpkin basket. We also went to a local harvest festival. It was a good year for apples, although not quite as good as the year before it for the specific varieties I prefer. We put up our first server with SQL 2005 that month, too, although I'm pretty sure it didn't go into production until November.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
I was writing a set of piano pieces. It went rather well.
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
Good one, Tom.
The plain truth...am I allowed to post that here?
I'm on this planet to assist in the extinction of your species pursuant to making it a fit habitation for truly sentient life. Is that sufficiently clear? I usually talk around this point because it upsets humans to hear about this, but that is the truth. Sometimes I throw in a bone or two about transcending your humanity and joining the celestial society that blah blah blah...but only when I'm talking to people who I know are seriously open to pursuing that course. Some Christian religions teach a compatable message, but most don't.
A further question, just what is "trollish" about my behavior here? I've been honest in my statements and as polite as is compatable with stating the truth. I've declined to comment on a number of subjects where I felt there was nothing meaningful I could contribute, even though I do have opinions. The fact that I don't bend over backwards to agree with statements I don't agree with makes me a troll? Or is it the fact that I don't post often enough, and thus don't "belong" to the "community" here?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
My bad....you aren't (just) a troll.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Be straiter. How do you plan on extincting us? Biologically? Some sort of a infertility/bubonic plague type deal? Are you going to kill us with your mind? And I'm also interested in this "truly sentient life". I want to know who's going to be replacing me.
As for trollish, I define it as being deliberately hurtful or detrimental to the community the majority of the time. So a part of it does have to do with community, yes. If someone who posts here very often has a bad week, its easier to understand. If you just jump in after a year or two of absence and post insensitive (regardless of honesty) statements, it's going to be received badly. I'm sorry, that's how we inferior forms of life do things. Deal with it.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Survivor,
Are you serious? And please, don't tell me anything about not being 'open-minded' or not. That's a very unusual statement you've just made, and it would inspire anyone who hadn't heard it before to at least think that question I just asked.
quote:I've been honest in my statements and as polite as is compatable with stating the truth.
What makes you think honesty and trolling behavior are mutually exclusive? They aren't.
quote:The fact that I don't bend over backwards to agree with statements I don't agree with makes me a troll? Or is it the fact that I don't post often enough, and thus don't "belong" to the "community" here?
You aren't some sort of martyr, boldly telling the truth and to hell with the consequences, like I've said before. While you may be stating your opinions truthfully, and I take you at your word that you are, there are many methods of communication. Surely you must have known that choosing to phrase your ideas in the way you did would incite irritation, annoyance, even anger...and very likely you did not imagine that your statements would change anyone's mind or cause them to think seriously about what you were saying.
In other words, whether speaking honestly or not, you were baiting people, you were posting in a trollish way. I don't know whether or not you belong to this community, since I'm not its spokesman. There isn't a spokesman for this sort of community. But despite your scare-quotes, it is a community.
Posted by RunningBear (Member # 8477) on :
What type of ascetic do you lay claim to be?
You are definitely not gnostic, or taoist, or benevolent buddhist, yet I get the impression you are trying to pursue an eastern lifestyle, so what are you?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
People, before you give Richard a hard time for being all emo, I just want to remind you that facilitating the extinction of the human race does not in fact violate the User's Agreement.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: People, before you give Richard a hard time for being all emo, I just want to remind you that facilitating the extinction of the human race does not in fact violate the User's Agreement.
LOL
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
+ =
( You shouldn't beat yourself up about past mistakes. Admit them and move on.)
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I'll answer your question, by the way, since I've now posted a few times on your thread without doing it and feel a bit bad about ignoring the topic:
I think you're a reasonably talented writer, although weak at dialogue. I think your "freedom fighter" proposal for personalized militias was interesting but flawed, in that it solved two problems while creating two more; I suspect that it appears less flawed if you share many premises with someone like Heinlein. I also think you pretend to be profoundly broken as an excuse to avoid working on the ways in which you're mildly broken.
It's my opinion that you have a great deal to offer, but are incredibly wary of emotional risk and therefore have come to embrace your masks in a way that does not permit you to acknowledge that they are masks. This makes it incredibly difficult for you to interact with people in unfocused social situations. When you are frustrated by events, you appear to be consumed briefly by self-loathing that you then redirect externally, acting out until people feel compelled to "stop" you in some way.
I've always been interested in knowing you better, because I suspect there's real depth to your character.
Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
After reading your profile, I see that we've met. I was in your home ward for several years, and I know some of your family. I don't know if you'd remember me; we certainly weren't on any more than a "hello" basis. My name is Kristina and I was in my mid-late 30s when there.
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
So, what do you think of me? And why?
I didn't claim to be an aescetic...though I suppose that I am, when you come right down to it. I do follow Tao, and I suppose that I have a few odd bits and pieces of gnosis that I'm keeping in reserve. I'm also quite serious about the catastrophic extinction of the human species. Unfortunately, I cannot divulge further information about what role I play in that, partly because I'm not privy to every detail myself. I'm actually quite a low-ranking fellow, you see
A world of beauty, and love, and truth. It is coming...I wonder how many of you are determined to do what is necessary to partake. But that is not my calling. I've gone as far as is permitted me in sounding the warning cry.
A martyr...if only. But you are closer to death than I.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
And further from sanity as well, obviously.
One way or another what happened to your screen name wasn't cool, though.
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Hahahaha...just kidding.
"Poster boy for megalomania" is my final answer.
Posted by Euripides (Member # 9315) on :
Survivor, when you posted stuff about transcending humanity in my landmark thread, I thought you were trying to be funny.
You're low ranking... in what cult?
Edit: On second thought, goodbye.
[ January 29, 2007, 04:26 AM: Message edited by: Euripides ]
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
Okay...you're not Peter, and you're not a rock. And...are you drunk? Wow, so the "spirits" really did reveal that unto you, eh?
quote:Sanity? I don't remember having something worthless like that in the first place.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
I think you're an attention hungry instigator who sort of bores me and that's upset about something in their life. For some unknown reason, you seem to be projecting that feeling onto Hatrack.
Posted by airmanfour (Member # 6111) on :
I think you might be an insomniac.
Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :
quote:A world of beauty, and love, and truth. It is coming...I wonder how many of you are determined to do what is necessary to partake. But that is not my calling. I've gone as far as is permitted me in sounding the warning cry.
Ha, what a crock. What are you, Ellsworth Toohey or something?
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
quote:Originally posted by Survivor:
quote:Sanity? I don't remember having something worthless like that in the first place.
Have you been diagnosed with a mental illness, Survivor?
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Edited to add: I ask directly because if you have been diagnosed, it would help us understand why you are acting out here, such as writing that you wanted to "take a knife to this #*^!^er's jewels" (regarding a young member of Hatrack) for something you read into his posts -- something which, by the way, wasn't actually there.
You are also speaking delusionally. Mental illness would both help explain this and help us know how to interact with you more effectively.
I have read some of your posts on the Writer's Forum and they are thoughtful, most interesting, and very intelligent. You strike me as a thoughtful, interesting, intelligent person who may have a mental illness that may currently be making it more challenging to deal with his life and us.
[ January 29, 2007, 10:19 AM: Message edited by: ClaudiaTherese ]
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:A world of beauty, and love, and truth. It is coming...I wonder how many of you are determined to do what is necessary to partake.
It seems to me that if helping facilitate the destruction (murder) of humanity is part of what is necessary to partake of this glorious future, then no, I'm not prepared to "do what is necessary". I'm happy to be unprepared to do what is necessary, actually.
But that's all the conversation I'm going to give you about this subject, Survivor. Clearly, you are badly deluded or at least want people to think you're badly deluded. If the latter, I cannot speculate as to why. I don't know what's happened in your life to lead to either thing, but you need help. Professional help. You should seek it out quickly, and move past this nonsense-the sooner you do, the happier you'll be.
Might be good places to start. Like I said, I think you're badly deluded, or want others to think you are. In either case, I don't think it's a good idea to continue feeding either thing by talking seriously with you about it. I suggest that others do the same.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
You're William Magill From Candleton Hill and filled with skill of chisel and drill but ill is your will when giving a bill to millers named Gil for a quarter a mil
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Other than that, I have no idea who you are or why I should care.
edit: I caught Rakeesh's post from above and now I read the rest of the thread. I'm going to add my voice to the people telling you to look for help. You sound like you are suffering from delusions or are trying to play it off like you are. Either way, it is unhealthy and you may become a danger to yourself or others.
Posted by Will B (Member # 7931) on :
Survivor, I think you were upset by the personal nature of the trolling attack in the other forum, and you're looking for reassurance that people don't hate you. Is my guess correct?
I mean, I wouldn't put up a thread asking what people think of me. I'm afraid what answers I might get! But you did. What are you really after here?
If my guess is correct, you'll get a few serious answers (as you have), but you'll mostly get reactions to your post. If it's rude, you get hostility back. If it's nice, you might still get hostility back, because people often react from what's inside them rather than what's inside you.
What I think of you: you are incisive and insightful regarding what goes wrong with people's writing. You say off-the-wall things like that you aren't human, and you're crusty. But even these aren't things about _you_, they're things about how you express yourself on these forums. For us to know you, you'll have to let down some barriers. What I mean is speaking authentically about what's right now (like I'm trying to do, myself, right now). I think it would be good to know you a little better, and I expect you'll get better answers to your question.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
I'm not trying to be mean, but I actually haven't really noticed Survivor's posts on this forum. Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
quote: I'm on this planet to assist in the extinction of your species pursuant to making it a fit habitation for truly sentient life. Is that sufficiently clear? I usually talk around this point because it upsets humans to hear about this, but that is the truth. Sometimes I throw in a bone or two about transcending your humanity and joining the celestial society that blah blah blah...but only when I'm talking to people who I know are seriously open to pursuing that course. Some Christian religions teach a compatable message, but most don't.
I would assume he is kidding?
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
In this thread, Survivor has stated he is not kidding and has apparently made similar statements elsewhere. So, he does not say he is kidding.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
Eh, I think he's kidding. I think he sees all the negative assessments of his character as being somewhat over the top and responding in a similiar over the top fashion.
Of course, if he's not kidding, I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords and would just like to point out that there's a lot of free real estate out Utah way.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
You are an 'agitator.'
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Like this? Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
You agitator, you brought'er.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Misogynist.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
I like that one. The...sexual overtones are a little...okay, not going there.
I'm also a bit interested by the repeated suggestion that I might be suicidal. I don't know whether that's just wishful thinking or a really clumsy attempt at soft-soap brainwashing. Like that one episode of Arrested Development, that was pretty funny, eh?
I've been checked out by the mental health police plenty of times, but they never were able to figure anything out. Probably due to their fundamental assumption that I was human. I'm sure that some of the humanistic traits I've picked up over the years could be considered neurotic patterns if anyone who understood my kind were to check, but I often find them quite useful. You know, since usually I don't make a big deal about how I'm only on this planet in the first place to assist in "human telophase procedures".
But hey, somebody asked. And I'm not in the habit of lying or evading an honest question. You can all ignore it as a joke or a delusion if you like, I'm not particularly impaired by it and there's nothing you can do to change it, so chalk it up to eccentricity if that makes you more comfortable.
The original point was to figure out what you would say about me, not to tell you anything about myself, after all.
Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 5108) on :
quote:Originally posted by Storm Saxon: Eh, I think he's kidding. I think he sees all the negative assessments of his character as being somewhat over the top and responding in a similiar over the top fashion.
Of course, if he's not kidding, I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords and would just like to point out that there's a lot of free real estate out Utah way.
You're just sucking up because you hope our new overlords will let you pilot the ship. On second thought, I second your sentiment. Only good things can come from their enlightened rule. Plus, when they let ME pilot the ship I can pretend to be Wash.
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
I'm sort of wondering whether I should say anything in response to that...I think I'll simply caution you that you might not want to count on being allowed to pretend you're Wash while piloting the ship.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
That's because Richard's already called dibs. You can be Zoe.
Posted by Ecthalion (Member # 8825) on :
eh, who wants to be a leaf on the wind anyway....
we all saw what happened to the last guy who went that way.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: That's because Richard's already called dibs. You can be Zoe.
Hey! I called Zoe! Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 5108) on :
I don't think it would happen again. I mean, it's a proven fact that lighting absolutely never strikes the same place twice, right?
Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 5108) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: That's because Richard's already called dibs. You can be Zoe.
Hey! I called Zoe!
You can have Zoe. I call River.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
I want to be Spock. We're talking about Star Trek, right? (Just kidding)
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Survivor,
quote:I'm also a bit interested by the repeated suggestion that I might be suicidal. I don't know whether that's just wishful thinking or a really clumsy attempt at soft-soap brainwashing.
I'm afraid you don't understand human beings nearly as well as you might think you do if you believe it's wishful thinking, or an attempt at brainwashing. Both would require intent, and no intent for either suicide on your part or brainwashing to you exists.
quote:The original point was to figure out what you would say about me, not to tell you anything about myself, after all.
This probably has much more to do with the general lack of in depth responses than do your other claims about humanity and lack thereof.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
What the hell is going on here? I've been trying to figure this through seeing a few scattered posts of Survivor's, but I can't put it together. I'm hesitant to pronounce crackpot status and consider the case closed, if only because this much oldbie interest usually warrants patience to see what's coming.
Anyone care to explain?
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
quote:Originally posted by erosomniac: I'm hesitant to pronounce crackpot status and consider the case closed,
-pH
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
erosomniac, just because a troll is old doesn't mean he's not a troll.
Think about it. Even murderers get old and some of them are grandparents. Doesn't make them any less a murderer. Which is not to equate that to Survivor, but to clarify a point.
Going by Survivor's recent posts (I don't remember him prior to his recent spate), I would call him a troublemaker and disturber. I get the distinct impression that he cares more for his own entertainment regardless of the cost to others, or perhaps the entertainment value increases in relation to the emotional cost to others. I think he's egocentric and angry and is taking it out on Hatrack.
The fact that he's been around for a while means nothing to me. He's still a crank.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Ask Survivor...he is the soul of discretion, after all.
Don't worry about him, seriously....it doesn't matter if he is cracked or if he just wants us to think he is. Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Hey, Survivor. I just realized who you are. We've actually met in person a couple of times. Sorry for not remembering.
Most of my interaction with you has been on another forum. I must admit that I didn't understand you there or the circumstances surrounding you leaving any more than I've understood you over her.
But then, I don't understand your sister half the time either, so that doesn't really mean that much.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by erosomniac: What the hell is going on here? I've been trying to figure this through seeing a few scattered posts of Survivor's, but I can't put it together. I'm hesitant to pronounce crackpot status and consider the case closed, if only because this much oldbie interest usually warrants patience to see what's coming.
Anyone care to explain?
He's the same one I saw in that landmark thread, where he was all like "I have shed tears for humanity and wonder if I in all my benevolence ever really gave your species a real chance, but that wasn't my choice to make; I do not have authority with my (INSERT WHATEVER CULT/ALIEN COLLECTIVE HE'S KNEE-DEEP IN) to be allowed to save your 'kind', but I do like to wander about and be bemused with what you silly little humans do!" etc etc etc so the theme is very consistent. If he's being honest then he's totally cracked! If it's a play, then he's very good at playing a total nutball.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
Please let us know what religion, cult, splinter group, or other secret organization you're part of, so we can learn more about their crazy ways Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
More like which one(s) to avoid. The details I don't need.
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
Question:
What's the deal with you guys and anal probes?
Follow-up question:
What's the craziest thing you guys have found in there?
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
'The truth is in there.'
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
quote:But then, I don't understand your sister half the time either, so that doesn't really mean that much.
I think this means that I was right about who his sister is then.
eros, I don't have any clue as to who this guy is. I'm guessing that, based on the pattern of people responding, that he is active on other forums, which is why he's getting more attention here than a random nutjob.
quote:What's the craziest thing you guys have found in there?
I'm telling you doc...I mean alien guy...it was a million to one shot.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
quote:Originally posted by MrSquicky: eros, I don't have any clue as to who this guy is. I'm guessing that, based on the pattern of people responding, that he is active on other forums, which is why he's getting more attention here than a random nutjob.
If you read his posts from 5-7 years ago on the Writer's Forum, you will see some excellent critical work.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Hey, CT-- You just hit 10500 posts!
That's wonderful!
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
And you hit 9868, you little achiever you!
*licks a gold star* *pastes it on CT's forehead* *licks another gold star* *pastes it on Scott's forehead*
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Can I have a gold star? Please? Pretty pretty pretty please with a cherry on top?
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Hey, wait a minute now. If CT is getting a gold start for 10.5K posts, should Captain Apathy be getting a gold star for his piddling 9868 posts? I think not!
*rips off gold star* Disgraceful example of unfair rewards, Storm Saxon! Shame...SHAME! Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quid, does it have to be from Stormy? Because I have some too (and mine don't even need licking, they come pre-stickified), but I wouldn't want to step on any toes.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Giving Captain Apathy a gold star is OK (although in my humble opinion, horridly misplaced) but giving him the same gold star as CT got for a much lesser achievement, now that...that's shameful.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
So you're saying that every poster must meet precisely the same guidelines to receive rewards? What is this, No Poster Left Behind? Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
Guys...guys...wait up. My little post count can't keep up with you....guuuuuuuuuuyyyyysss! *whimper*
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
*licks quid's forehead* sticks a gold star on* *pinches cheek*
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by MrSquicky: Guys...guys...wait up. My little post count can't keep up with you....guuuuuuuuuuyyyyysss! *whimper*
*surreptitiously slips Squick 200 posts*
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
quote: Giving Captain Apathy a gold star is OK (although in my humble opinion, horridly misplaced) but giving him the same gold star as CT got for a much lesser achievement, now that...that's shameful.
*sings*
He's Captain Apathy He's Mr. Glum He's Captain Apathy He's Mr. havin' no fun
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
quote:*surreptitiously slips Squick 200 posts*
No fair! Cheater! I'm going to get you expelled! And rescind my recommendations! And, and. . .
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*slips ElJay 300 posts*
*and gives her a gold star*
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
Incidentally, rivka, I couldn't find an email from you and you shouldn't be hitting any of my filters now. Could you resend?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*laugh* Sure.
*goes to dig up the original*
Thanks for remembering.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by MrSquicky: Guys...guys...wait up. My little post count can't keep up with you....guuuuuuuuuuyyyyysss! *whimper*
*surreptitiously slips Squick 200 posts*
*sidles up*
Can you slip me 3000?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Weeeell. That'd put me below 20,000. And I landmarked at 20,000, so someone might notice. How about 1000?
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
A gold star, eh? You think I can be bought off that cheaply?
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
If you take off the gold foil, there's chocolate inside.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:So you're saying that every poster must meet precisely the same guidelines to receive rewards? What is this, No Poster Left Behind?
Hardly! I'm simply saying that giving two posters the same award for different achievements is shameful. Shameful, I say!
Oh, and of course awarding Captain Apathy for anything at all. Hmph!
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Dark chocolate?
*suspicious
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
I'll take 1000. And the gold foil from the chocolate.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
63% cocoa
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
Mmm...chocolate....
There was a previous incident a little over a year ago, I was wondering if anyone remembered it. Well, I know some people remember it very well. One member in particular has made it clear that he has a nearly erotic obsession with me. I wonder if he might actually have felt...abandoned. That is certainly not what I would have expected, but hey!
Anyway, I was wondering if the incident had any long term effect on the forum or if it was a deeply buried secret of the past. I can see that, since it didn't exactly put a lot of the forum in the best light. I think now I'm leaning toward the "long buried secret" view. So, question answered. That was kinda what I had imagined, frankly.
Oh, and mph, I was there to play mafia. The game got delayed for a really long time, and I was banned as soon as my character got killed. JB may have been afraid I was hacking the forum or something (I wasn't, though--honestly, does that sound like the sort of thing I'd do?). He was definitely afraid I was going to drive...what was that guy's name? Anyway, someone who kept losing arguments who wasn't used to it. That guy later got kicked off for being a total flaming @@@hole, which made it all the funnier.
You can probably learn more by asking my sister. Oh, and I should probably tell her that the schedule for the destruction of humanity has been moved up. I mean, I've been telling everyone that it's a couple of decades away, and it's not. From the content of my current...um, call them orders, I'd say that things are very close. I'm not really unhappy about this, since I now fully agree with all aspects of the operation, but I wanted to go ahead and call a warning.
You can ignore that, since this is the internet, after all. Everyone posting on this forum is, pretty much by definition, a crackpot. Even Card, when he posts here (which only happens when he's sleep deprived or otherwise lacking in normal judgement) is a crackpot. So you have no compelling motive for taking me seriously. Which means I can tell the truth all I want, except for the bits that I really can't reveal
Anyway, return to your regular post-whoring.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Gosh you're annoying.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by imogen: I'll take 1000. And the gold foil from the chocolate.
Would that be the chocolate that you, as head of my fan club, are planning to lay at my feet?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
You know, I'm almost curious what might have happened in October of 2005 that Richard thinks was important. But not enough to try to look it up.
(Edit: having racked my brain, the only thing I can come up with was that I'm pretty sure that was the month Frisco was temporarily banned for posting under Katie's username. But I can't think of a reason why Survivor would care.)
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
quote: One member in particular has made it clear that he has a nearly erotic obsession with me. I wonder if he might actually have felt...abandoned. That is certainly not what I would have expected, but hey!
Well, that certainly casts these sentences in a different light.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka: quid, does it have to be from Stormy? Because I have some too (and mine don't even need licking, they come pre-stickified), but I wouldn't want to step on any toes.
No, no, I'll take gold stars from you, too.
quote:Originally posted by Storm Saxon: *licks quid's forehead* sticks a gold star on* *pinches cheek*
Aw, thanks, Stormy. Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by imogen: I'll take 1000. And the gold foil from the chocolate.
Would that be the chocolate that you, as head of my fan club, are planning to lay at my feet?
*pauses with mouth full of chocolate*
Good point.
Chocolate, rivka?
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Wait, don't I get chocolate? I mean...
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*stickifies quid*
quote:Originally posted by imogen: *pauses with mouth full of chocolate*
*wonders what happened to the Hatrack principal*
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
We have a principal? *hides spitwad*
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Survivor: Oh, and mph, I was there to play mafia. The game got delayed for a really long time, and I was banned as soon as my character got killed. JB may have been afraid I was hacking the forum or something (I wasn't, though--honestly, does that sound like the sort of thing I'd do?). He was definitely afraid I was going to drive...what was that guy's name? Anyway, someone who kept losing arguments who wasn't used to it. That guy later got kicked off for being a total flaming @@@hole, which made it all the funnier.
I banned you because you were being a destructive force on my forum. You make it sound like I waited until you were out of the game to ban you, which is not true and doesn't even make much sense to me. As I remember it, your death in the game made you flip out, and since you had already been so destructive and were apparently getting worse, not better, I decided it was time for me to stop putting up with your behavior.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shan: *wonders what happened to the Hatrack principal*
The poster whose alt that was has not posted in many a moon. Alas! Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Rats. That was a fun one. *sniffs*
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka: *stickifies quid*
quote:Originally posted by imogen: *pauses with mouth full of chocolate*
<--- he's placing chocolate everytime he goes down.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
That's one of those phrases that just sounds dirty, even though it's not.
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
But you did wait till I was out of the game...I'm very sure of that.
Hey, it's your forum and you have the right to kick whoever you want. And to make up whatever excuses you like for it, though that really isn't necessary or anything. I was just giving my version to mph because he asked, and I can be funny that way. He should have asked you, probably.
Speaking of which...
I'm very curious, now that you brought it up, as to what exactly I did that was beyond the pale. I do recall being a "grammar atheist", and I can see how that might have yanked your chain a little. But...come on. "I don't believe in grammar" is somehow a bootable offense? I say that on the writer's forum all the time and nobody has a problem with it.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Oh my stars, I just remembered who Survivor was on GC. Good grief, that's a twisted version of the events. I don't remember specific events - just an impression of someone with poor impulse control, no respect for other posters, and a deep need to "win" every conversation.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
You can be very sure of something without it being the truth.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:You can probably learn more by asking my sister. Oh, and I should probably tell her that the schedule for the destruction of humanity has been moved up. I mean, I've been telling everyone that it's a couple of decades away, and it's not. From the content of my current...um, call them orders, I'd say that things are very close. I'm not really unhappy about this, since I now fully agree with all aspects of the operation, but I wanted to go ahead and call a warning.
You're such a benevolent nutball. Thanks!
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Survivor: I'm very curious, now that you brought it up, as to what exactly I did that was beyond the pale. I do recall being a "grammar atheist", and I can see how that might have yanked your chain a little. But...come on. "I don't believe in grammar" is somehow a bootable offense? I say that on the writer's forum all the time and nobody has a problem with it.
Actually, you brought it up.
I don't remember any specific offenses, and I had completely forgotten about the "grammar atheist" thingthat certainly wasn't the reason. I think katharina summed it up pretty well, actually. As I said before, you were a destructive influence on my board. You were making it an unpleasant place to be for all those who had invested anything in the community.
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
How? Because I argued with Grimmer? He was always arguing with everyone anyway. Because I had a cool animated avatar? I'm sure other people made animated avatars, mine was only three frames long. Because I RP'd my mafia character? Okay, I'll admit, my role-play was way more awesome than anyone else, but isn't RP'ng the character the whole point of "themed" mafia?
I think that it's interesting that you can't remember any specific offenses. I find that's often the case when people turn against me, they can't remember any specific thing that I actually did wrong, just that they don't like me and want me to go away.
Don't worry, though. I've now officially supplied you all with a specific offense, my active participation in the extinction of your species. Enjoy!
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Oh, you talk a big game, but you're full of hot air. When was the last time you actually walked the walk, Mr. Genocide?
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
You ask what we think of you, and you don't listen. You probably won't listen to this either, but I'm going to say it anyway in the off chance you do.
I think you're damaged. You mentioned in Saephon's thread that you had been beaten by your parents and that they made death threats to you. Based on this and some things your sister has said about her childhood, I'm fairly confident that whatever abuse you suffered changed you for the worse.
I think you have been miserable for so long that you don't know how to deal with positive emotions like love, empathy, excitement, joy, and hope. You also don't know how to act toward other people because your main role models taught you only how to intimidate, how to show anger and condescension toward others. Maybe I'm exaggerating things, but that is my impression.
I wrote a poem about you the day you were banned from GC. I won't post it here because it wasn't very good, but it was therapeutic for me. In it, I said that you'd lived in darkness for so long that you'd come to believe it was a special brand of light you'd made yourself. You think you're superior to those of us who actually enjoy the sunlight, to the point where you refuse to believe there's anything to be desired about light or warmth. Beyond that, you see those who like being in the sunglight as being weak and stupid.
I'd like to say it's not all your fault you're the way you are, but your sister also lived in the same home growing up, and she shares none of your rudeness. You are an adult, and so you can make decisions about who you are and what you do. You can go get help from a professional to deal with the mental monsters that make you what you are. Maybe you already have but haven't had success. I don't know.
Anyway, I also think you are either delusional or a compulsive liar because you can't deal with the truth: that you are damaged but still human and in pain. Instead, you'd rather believe that you are the way you are because you have a special mission and are not one of us. If that helps you feel better about yourself, it may not be entirely destructive to believe that. But if it prevents you from dealing with your pain honestly and becoming a more whole human being, I think you should ditch the fantasy immediately.
So, that's what I think.
Oh, also, when my eyes started going bad, I thought they were getting better, that the blurring I was seeing was the air particles between me and the objects I was looking at. It was nicer to believe that than to believe my eyes were weak. I was really young then, but the principle is the same: sometimes we'd rather believe that our deformities and deficiencies are actually strengths, but that doesn't mean they actually are.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
quote:Originally posted by Survivor: I think that it's interesting that you can't remember any specific offenses. I find that's often the case when people turn against me, they can't remember any specific thing that I actually did wrong, just that they don't like me and want me to go away.
I think that it's interesting that you bring it up how many years after the fact on a whole other forum and expect JonBoy to be able to - or willing to, for that matter - cite chapter and verse of your offenses.
If you had a problem with what happened at Galactic Cactus, you should have discussed it with him at the time. Not two or four years later.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Survivor: How? Because I argued with Grimmer? He was always arguing with everyone anyway. Because I had a cool animated avatar? I'm sure other people made animated avatars, mine was only three frames long. Because I RP'd my mafia character? Okay, I'll admit, my role-play was way more awesome than anyone else, but isn't RP'ng the character the whole point of "themed" mafia?
I have no idea who Grimmer is, but it's safe to say that your banning had nothing to do with any of those things.
quote:I think that it's interesting that you can't remember any specific offenses. I find that's often the case when people turn against me, they can't remember any specific thing that I actually did wrong, just that they don't like me and want me to go away.
You were hurtful to my community. Once you were gone, I tried not to waste too much of my thought on youwhat would be the point in remembering your list of offenses? And I'm certainly not going to gratify your pride by rereading your old posts and compiling such a list now. In fact, I'm through talking with you about it. If you want to dwell on it, I certainly can't stop you. But I'm not going to let it bother me.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:I have no idea who Grimmer is
I think he's misremembering JohnL's screnname.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
When I grow up, I want to be as nice as Brinestone.
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
Sorry, I would have discussed it with you all if anyone had warned me before I was banned. Like I said before, that's your decision and my character had already died, so I saw no point in contesting it (though I did have some fun at the time...um, it's okay if I say that, right?). You don't want to talk about it now, and I can see that it was a painful experience for all of you, so there is no need to rehash it. mph was right not to ask you, and I should have followed his lead.
To be fair, I didn't know how you felt about it because you never chose to attempt to discuss it with me. Or, if you did, I might have forgotten, since it was a pretty long time ago. mph shouldn't have asked me, since I only have my own memories to fall back on.
Only one of my parents ever made death threats, and it never bothered me all that much, which is probably why he felt the need to get physical so often. But I did spend a lot of time believing that I was "damaged" and needed to be "fixed". Then I found out that everyone who'd ever said this was a moron...which sometimes provokes me to act rather arrogant and prideful. Sorry.
I'm puzzled by the notion that I'm a compulsive liar, though. What part of "your species is going extinct" do you find so difficult to believe? Anyway, if you think I'm just lying about it, then ignore it, say it's completely harmless pretension for playing around on the internet or something like that. Heck, as a joke it's a funny conceit, right? So laugh it off, nobody is forcing you to take me so seriously.
I mean, it would be different if I had access to a lab full of engineered supergerms, but I don't. I don't even have anything to do with the primary species reduction method that's going to be employed (well, other than knowing a couple of things about it, but anyone that cares can find out that much). I'm an assistant. I'm not going to kill more than...well, I'm not saying any specific number, but I'm not going to wipe out humanity by myself.
And the final telophase operations are really nice. You'll even like them, if you survive that long. I agree that the initial stages are messy and rather...well, messy, but so is the day to day existence of your species as things stand now.
Oh, and for Tom. I'm already assisting. I get little metaphorical gold stars and glowing (semi-literally) performance reviews and stuff like that. So don't worry about my qualifications. I be walking the walk. Well, actually it might be more of a butt-wiggling swagger...whatever.
Anyway, keep it coming. I missed Brinestone's earlier post but her latest one was pretty good, if rather overwrought. Don't take this so seriously, folks. I'm just asking a question, I'll not extort any information if you'd really rather not tell me. It's not like the fate of your species hangs in the balance or something, I think I've made it clear that I have no authority to change a decision at that level. I don't think I'm even authorized to spare individual human lives, which kinda sucks, now that I think about it.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Brinestone,
quote:In it, I said that you'd lived in darkness for so long that you'd come to believe it was a special brand of light you'd made yourself. You think you're superior to those of us who actually enjoy the sunlight, to the point where you refuse to believe there's anything to be desired about light or warmth. Beyond that, you see those who like being in the sunglight as being weak and stupid.
This is an idea I respect quite a bit-to be clear, the idea I think it's clear you're conveying, that this way of thinking is wrong. It's not something that's ever stated or thought so clearly by people in my experience, except in creative moments, fiction, poetry, that sort of thing, but I still think it's true: while living a life of deprivation may well make one stronger, smarter, more durable, I believe like Mal, "All you need is love," in order to be strong and fight the good fight.
He had his (much) darker moments, of course, but Mal was strong because at the bedrock of his character, he was devoted to others before himself. Whether it was a whole lot of people he'd never met, or a small group of intimate friends. Of course, the Agent was also devoted to a whole lot of people...except his devotion was in a fantasy, something that didn't exist. It's just a story, of course, but I believe that's why Mal won-that, and having that pesky nerve cluster moved Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Know what? I've decided that if my species is going to become extinct - then I'd better live it up while we're here. I'm not going to waste time worrying about it, since you're clearly not willing to give any information away as to how to avoid it. The way I see it is, if it happens - I'll be in a 'happy place' anyway...
But thanks for the heads up, Survivor.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:Only one of my parents ever made death threats, and it never bothered me all that much, which is probably why he felt the need to get physical so often.
Highly doubtful. Extremely doubtful. Double plus doubtful, even. I'm very sorry that happened to you, Survivor, no matter what you say about its impact.
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
I'm not sorry about it. I...I think that it's a good thing that my dad totally deserved to have a son like me. It saves on all kinds of guilt. And I'll always treasure the time when he came in an regaled me with the story of a local chapel collapsing on top of the volunteer workers trying to fix it after a big storm. He was so happy, and so wicked, and I realized that I really do love him. Not the way a child should love a father, true, but I never really thought of him that way anyhow.
I don't know if I could have learned to love humanity, or myself, if I'd had some ideal father figure for a dad. Maybe. I'd like to believe that I'm some superbeing who could just automatically overcome all the natural obsticles between our species by virtue of my intense virtue...but I can't really buy it. Even as it was, I was always being crushed when humanity disappointed my expectations again.
It's okay for you to be flawed and inherently evil. It would be good if more of you could accept that without getting all defensive and crap, but that's part of what you are. I do worry about you, sometimes to the point of being quite silly. After all, no matter what it cost, I have learned affection for your species, with all of your peculiarities. I'm genuinely sorry that the coming time will be so difficult and involve so much suffering, but I'm also confident that this is for the best. Those who survive to the final stage will bless the fate that brought them to witness the end of humanity. And those who don't survive...we're not so wasteful as all that. I'm here, all the other assets are in place. It really will be wonderful.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
I think I need a tinfoil hat for this thread.
-pH
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
*snaps fingers*
That's what I've been missing, pH. Thanks!
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
I think that every forum needs a token character who talks and acts like a schizotypal coming off of a bad psilocybin trip.
Yes, yes, we know, it gets really rather chippy when the forum is blathered at intermittently by fellows who speak in an odd affect about their imaginary magical roles in important hallucinated schemes and paranoid ideation. It gets old fast, especially the latent condescension. But seriously, is it worth missing? These are the stories you tell at parties, which are very hard to come by on the internet. You can't say 'oh I had this totally awesome argument on the internet about Keynesian economics' unless you have incredibly boring friends.
BUT
what you can do is take a drag off the narjeelah, lie back, and begin spinning a tale about all the profound forms of crazy that people are willing to let loose behind the relative comforts of a computer veil. "D'ya remember that forum I talked about that had the Pelegius fellah? Well, they've brought me some new joy."
And then you start talking about Survivor. You build up the anticipation, you describe the quirks in affect, and you slowly work towards the most lurid quotes, which should be recalled verbatim. It doesn't matter if they're not completely implausible as long as it's sufficiently incredulous. And it might be an act -- there's always a chance that they're playing a game with themselves and others -- but it doesn't matter; intent is unimportant in regards to the end result, which is essentially everyone ending up thinking that they're crazy as a sack full of gerbils.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Well, like I said, Survivor: your claims about not being human, or the coming extinction, or not being bothered by death threats from your father, all that other nonsense, I'm still sorry your he was awful. Perhaps someday you'll be able to get past that, and perhaps not. I don't know. But I'm still sorry, I still grieve that it happened, and I'm sorry that as a result your perceptions of life and humanity have become so twisted.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
It started out kind of interesting, in a megalomania/conspiracy theory sort of way, but the details really aren't that interesting, and the megalomania has gotten rather boring and trite.
Should have quit while you were ahead. Sorry Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Crud, I lost a really long reply I was putting together with a lot of quotes from various people. Well, I guess I still have this one.
quote:I'm on this planet to assist in the extinction of your species pursuant to making it a fit habitation for truly sentient life. Is that sufficiently clear?
I actually find this quite reassuring.
Nice as I supposedly am, I'd let a few brainfarts over the years that you'd think were going to burn this place down, the way people reacted. When we focus on the most ill-considered thing anyone has ever done, of course they are going to seem like a devil.
quote:Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. -James 2:19
In much the same way real people can act as angels in the lives of others, I know I have been a devil at times. Anytime I am acting of myself and not under the headship of the Lord, I am a devil.
Posted by monteverdi (Member # 2896) on :
Fall. A young man in the park plays a game, hes brought his chess pieces. A gust upsets the pawns of his endgame, pigeons pirouette, implacably, one must destroy oneself to end the game: Septembers nostalgia for everyone back in their places, the park full of emptiness and your hair you should've cut spidering shadows over the squares, but first to end games.
[ February 01, 2007, 03:03 PM: Message edited by: monteverdi ]
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:Anytime I am acting of myself and not under the headship of the Lord, I am a devil.
Really? Why?
Posted by monteverdi (Member # 2896) on :
When you were left behind, did you
watch them march away, over the edge of the skyline
then disappear? And later, did a small fire flicker
there, on the unimagined hillside, across the impossible valley,
did it burn out for you: single star, inexorable one,
out there, in the inhuman firmament?
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
quote:Really? Why?
Because the natural man is an enemy to God. Man, being evil, cannot do that which is good, and because of the fall of our natures have become evil continually.
I know you (Tom) don't believe all that, though. I guess the part where I explained that a devil is nothing more than a spirit that pridefully resists the rule of God didn't make it into my final draft. You have to understand that my definition of evil is almost entirely pride.
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
I think I'd say that wickedness was almost entirely a matter of pride. Evil doesn't require such a personal characteristic. It's even a common phrase, "impersonal evil". When did you ever hear of "impersonal wickedness", though?
Something can be evil, or at least an evil, without having any qualities of ego as we understand it. But wickedness seems very much like an egotistical thing. Even looking at the roots of the words, "wicked" comes from "witch" and "evil" comes from...uh, not good enough, or something like that
Like I know off the top of my head.
It isn't like chess, where you can just figure out where all the pieces were. It's English, where the pieces could have come from anywhere and might mean the exact opposite of the original word.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
But it is like chess in that the meaning and power of a piece has to do with its properties as well as its situation. Only it would be like a really big chess game where pieces from prior games get left on the table and the ghosts of dead pieces haunt the squares of their demise.
quote:O.E. yfel (Kentish evel) "bad, vicious," from P.Gmc. *ubilaz (cf. O.Saxon ubil, Goth. ubils), from PIE *upelo-, giving the word an original sense of "uppity, overreaching bounds" which slowly worsened. "In OE., as in all the other early Teut. langs., exc. Scandinavian, this word is the most comprehensive adjectival expression of disapproval, dislike or disparagement" [OED]. Evil was the word the Anglo-Saxons used where we would use bad, cruel, unskillful, defective (adj.), or harm, crime, misfortune, disease. The meaning "extreme moral wickedness" was in O.E., but did not become the main sense until 18c. Evil eye (L. oculus malus) was O.E. eage yfel.
Checkout BAD. Gives a whole new meaning to the song.
quote:bad Look up bad at Dictionary.com 1203, mystery word, no apparent relatives in other languages. Possibly from two related O.E. derogatory terms: będdel and będling "effeminate man, hermaphrodite, pederast." Originally "defective, inferior;" sense of "evil, morally depraved" is first recorded 1300. A rare word before 1400, and evil was more common until 1700. Ironic use as a word of approval is said to be at least since 1890s orally, originally in Black Eng., emerging in print 1928 in a jazz context. Badder, baddest were used as recently as Defoe (18c.), but yielded to comp. worse and superl. worst (taken over from evil, ill), from P.Gmc. *wersizon, comp. of *wers-.
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Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
Ooo, he's bad!
I never got around to the various things I wanted to do in this thread, because people started asking me who I was rather than saying who they thought I was. Tsk tsk. Still, I've been reading the thread and there's some really fun stuff here. I particularly liked the "choice irony" posts, like:
quote:I don't know who pissed in your little world, but if this in any way resembles what passes for thought for you, they deserve a cookie.
God himself waits until we are dead before passing judgment on us.
Too bad you haven't been able to follow his lead on that.
That one was particularly good. I wish it were a bit shorter, cause then it could be a cool sig. Unfortunately, it seems that a lot of people who did have opinions didn't give them for various reasons. Oh well. I suppose that seeing how some of the opinions made their posters look might have scared people off.
So, how about opinions based on Chiu Chun-Ling over at Ornery? Or are there many people that have ever heard of me there?
As a last resort, you can post a guess as to what other membername I've used on this forum. That could be a fun game.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Oh, I'm afraid I already mentioned that on the "Hatrack Gossip Thread" at sakeriver. Sorry. I was simply saying there was nothing worrying to me about your posts, and mentioned that as a historical referent.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Survivor, you seem singularly unable or unwilling to understand that people are not just going to start dancing because you've called a tune. Such as guessing what other member names you've held in the past. That's only fun for you. We're not here so you can have fun.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Well, I am. But it is Groundhog Day.
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
Oh...well, anyone else is free to try guessing...I guess the people that have been around that long pretty much all know about sakeriver, huh?
I guess I've found out most of what I came here to find out. I'm still open for questions, within the limitations placed on revealing my sources, methods, or future activities.
One thing that might be interesting...so far almost all the posters to this thread have assumed that I must be either lying, or insane. Is it really so hard to examine the third possibility, that I might be telling the truth? What evidence do any of you have that I'm not? I'd honestly be interested in finding out about it.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I know, but I found out over there so I won't guess. I do remember you as that over here though.
If you want it as a sig, try taking just the last two lines. Just make sure you attribute it. Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:What evidence do any of you have that I'm not?
Well, for one thing, your sister seems well-placed to confirm your claims. And yet she thinks you're a loony.
That said, I'm willing to bet the cost of a DNA test that you come up "human." Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:One thing that might be interesting...so far almost all the posters to this thread have assumed that I must be either lying, or insane. Is it really so hard to examine the third possibility, that I might be telling the truth? What evidence do any of you have that I'm not? I'd honestly be interested in finding out about it.
I'm sure you're either lying or deluded, but there's sure and then there's sure. I don't actually know you're wrong. Beyond a reasonable doubt, sure. But total, ironclad certainty? What way would I ever have to make such a statement? None.
But I generally make it a policy of mine to disbelieve things that appear as completely absurd as your claims do, when I have absolutely zero evidence that they're remotely accurate. And I have none, neither objective or subjective evidence. And I have quite a bit of subjective evidence that you are, in fact, either lying or deluded. One, there's what I know (admittedly little) of your biography. This knowledge, again with the qualifiers 'little' and 'uncertain' do not lead me to take your claims seriously. Two, there is your behavior in this very thread. Your claims and your behavior are inconsistent. I'm not going to go into details, because I don't wish to discuss the specifics of your deceptions/delusions.
You've offered no evidence that you are what you say, and there is subjective evidence that you are not aside from the claim's ridiculousness. The disbelief you're experiencing has nothing to do with our collective unwillingness to examine the possibilities, it has everything to do with your unwillingness to seriously give us an opportunity to examine the possibility.
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
So...you know I can't possibly be telling the truth because...I can't possibly be telling the truth?
I wouldn't mind getting a DNA test, except that I dislike human doctors and have decided to kill many of them the next time any of them try anything on me. Besides, I'm not sure what a genetic test would establish. Only a few of my trans-human capabilities are genetic, after all. I wasn't under the impression that human science would be able to verify those capabilities by genetic testing, since it seems that you haven't encountered them on a significant scale before.
I do have tastier blood than humans, but I'm not about to offer samples;)
Anyway, things will be established fairly soon, one way or the other. Once my part in events becomes a little more obvious, there will be no lack of evidence, though it will not be the kind that any of you will like. In all honesty, I find some of the details distasteful as well. It's all for the best, though, so I shouldn't complain.
I think that the first line of Kwea's post is part of what brings out the irony. I wouldn't think of omitting it. But I would certainly want to make sure that nobody thought I was the originator of it. So I'll remember that if I ever do find a use for it.
You know, I've considered it carefully and I don't believe that most or even many of you genuinely disbelieve me. Certainly you don't want to believe me, I could have told you that much (I have more experience with humans that some of you seem to credit). And I can see that openly admitting you believe me would have social costs you aren't willing to incurr. But the active denials ring a little hollow. I think that you do believe me.
Which actually surprised me a little when I first noticed it. I had naturally expected that you would just shrug it off as a joke or a pose, which is the more typical human response. Only a few people even tried for that, and the laughter was quite...brittle.
Am I so terrible? Can't we play for a while, and enjoy what time remains to you? Will you hate me for what I must do unto your species? Ah, it's very sad. Very sad indeed. I suppose that once things get rolling you'll only get worse. But maybe not Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:You know, I've considered it carefully and I don't believe that most or even many of you genuinely disbelieve me.
Sure thing, tiger. Whatever gets you through the day.
Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
You should change your name to vivor, and if you are knighted for your efforts (since you claim they are worthwile) you can be known as Sir Vivor.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:I think that you do believe me.
Richard, I waffle between believing that you're genuinely insane and merely pretending that you're insane to get a rise out of people. Either way, I still strongly recommend professional help.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Survivor,
quote:So...you know I can't possibly be telling the truth because...I can't possibly be telling the truth?
Since you weren't paying attention, I'll reiterate just one more time. I know you can't possibly be telling the truth because a) you have offered zero evidence* you are telling the truth, b) there is notable evidence* you aren't telling the truth, and c) I make it a policy to disbelieve outlandish, highly unusual, ridiculous claims, choose your qualifier, without some form of evidence* that's persuasive.
This is why I do not believe you. It was quite clear the first time I said it, and it's quite clear this time as well. I do not, and I very much doubt others do either, harbor any secret uncertainties about this. This is also why, as I've said before, that I'm not going to go into detail discussing the smaller, more intricate portions of your delusion or deception, Survivor.
*Evidence that's subjective, or objective, or even second-hand.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
quote:Originally posted by Survivor: I do have tastier blood than humans,
Good to know.
-pH
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: Survivor,
quote:So...you know I can't possibly be telling the truth because...I can't possibly be telling the truth?
Since you weren't paying attention, I'll reiterate just one more time. I know you can't possibly be telling the truth because a) you have offered zero evidence* you are telling the truth, b) there is notable evidence* you aren't telling the truth, and c) I make it a policy to disbelieve outlandish, highly unusual, ridiculous claims, choose your qualifier, without some form of evidence* that's persuasive.
This is why I do not believe you. It was quite clear the first time I said it, and it's quite clear this time as well. I do not, and I very much doubt others do either, harbor any secret uncertainties about this. This is also why, as I've said before, that I'm not going to go into detail discussing the smaller, more intricate portions of your delusion or deception, Survivor.
*Evidence that's subjective, or objective, or even second-hand.
That, and it's a complete waste of time.
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
Well, that's probably true. Even though I'm certainly guilty of keeping this thread alive, despite the fact that it only existed in the first place to satisfy a fairly idle curiosity on my part. On the other hand, I have a better memory than anyone else here (if we're to believe what various people say) and I'm going to live longer as well, so perhaps you can think of it as a "bid for a touch of immortality" thread. I personally find that idea kind of silly, partly because I don't know what difference it makes to any of you to have me remember you.
Which is to say, even though posting anywhere else in this forum could be said to be even more of a complete waste of time, since there is less probability of my reading those comments, and thus less chance of them being remembered, that doesn't make posting in this thread any [i]less[i] of a complete waste of time.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I can't decide whether to feel deeply sorry for you or to feel angry that you're still trying to manipulate me into feeling sorry for you when I'd rather not pay you any attention at all. I think I'll redirect the whole thing towards feeling sorry for your sister, and have done with it.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
Survivor,
Yet again your stated intentions and your words don't match up.
quote:Even though I'm certainly guilty of keeping this thread alive, despite the fact that it only existed in the first place to satisfy a fairly idle curiosity on my part.
For an idle curiosity, you've certainly spent time and effort into satisfying it. More than an idle curiosity is due, at the very least.
Unless there was some sort of survey about self-perceptions of memory that I missed around here, you're talking out of what we humans tend to call our rumps here as well
If it's a waste of time, why on Earth (or the Milky Way, whatever) are you still wasting time? Don't you have an extinction-of-humanity to attend to?
Again, stated intentions and words, Survivor. Yours don't match. Why don't people take your claims seriously? You make them not take them seriously, just like you're doing now.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
I don't really care if you're human or not. I don't see why it would matter. This sort of obscenely masturbatory thread does seem to be a common form of human expression. *shrug*
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
Really? Why don't you all start them, then?
Or are you saying something about the landmark posts?
Actually, I started this thread to save time. The alternative was reading all the pointless fluff theads and such looking for the information I wanted. That doesn't mean that I'm being efficient by doing things this way. It just means that I'm too lazy to do it otherwise. Pooka pointed out the sakeriver discussion...interesting in it's own way, but I'm not about to read that kind of thread either. I know that I'm getting a biased sample this way, but I guess that laziness trumps any desire for great precision.
Hah, just noticed that Tom accused me of trying to make him feel sorry for me. Which would be funnier if I had already mentioned that I wanted to know what was going on around here because Tom had sorta made me think that I ought to be feeling sorry for him. Such a tangled web.
Well, Tom, I still love you. In a strictly inhuman, going to fry your species anyway sort of sense, you understand. That doesn't change even when I'm not posting on this forum. I even sort of like you, you've made more of an effort than most anyone else to keep this fun. And don't take my refusal to share my genetic material personally, it has nothing to do with the question.
Oh, and I love all the rest of you too. No worries there. I just thought that Tom particularly should be reassured on that point. The enumeration of specific persons who recieve my love shall not be taken to blah blah, and all that. Only, you know...worded more eloquently and without the blah blah part. But it's okay if you don't believe me. We're big on the freedom of the heart and all that.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
You sure are a big bundle of contradictions! You don't care, but invest a lot of effort in not caring. You're caring but disaffected but malevolent. You are amused by us but don't actually care. But find us funny. But find this all pointless. You love us but can't wait to destroy us, but shed tears at the thought of our destruction, but revel in the delight of detailing the sanctimonious details of your purposeful role in our destruction and your haughty position for observation and participation. But you're not even really in charge of it, but have been planning the whole not being in charge of it thing for a long time now. But were originally wrong about the timeframe, but are actually proceeding as planned, only not. By golly, you're all over the place!
Seriously, while you're busy theorycrafting your whole "I'm a laudy-gaudy superior lifeform planning the destruction of your species" hallucination, you might as well aim for some consistency in storytelling!
Where's my popcorn.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
It does all seem quite contradictory, doesn't it?
Particularly the bits about having affection for your species, when I can't come up with any good points to offset the obvious negatives. Still, it's true, you've sort of grown on me. I'm given to understand that it's fairly common with this sort of job. Almost universal. Perhaps necessary, though I'm not sure why that would be.
I suppose that, in the end, all you'll ever think about me is what you think of my reasons for being on this planet. So it's perhaps just as well that this discussion has mainly revolved around that issue. It's a little sad that most of you are so taken with your own humanity, it doesn't bode well for your future. But that is, as it has ever been, your choice to make.
Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
quote:I do have tastier blood than humans, but I'm not about to offer samples;)
Wow! I'm an alien! That explains why the fleas and mosquitoes come after me first. Thank you, Survivor, this has been very enlightening.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Aw, crap. And here I always just assumed I had sweet blood.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Not everyone is into sweet. Chocolate has a little bitterness to it.
quote:And yet she thinks you're a loony.
I'd have to say that in terms of what's really important, well, it's a toss up. I was going to say I find Survivor saner than you. But you do have a wife and baby, which are not unimportant. But I don't feel sorry for Survivor or for myself on his account. Survivor is simply not content to live a life of quiet desperation.
I was going through my hymnal yesterday to figure out which songs I think I could play if I had a week to practice them, and the martial theme is quite well established. "We wrestle not with flesh and blood, but against principalities, powers, spiritual wickedness in high places etc." What's interesting is that the principalities and powers are mentioned twice earlier in Ephesians. So are aliens.
What I don't know, and would like to know, is whether Survivor considers me human. It's possible that I ought to know if I weren't.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:Survivor is simply not content to live a life of quiet desperation.
I had told myself I was going to leave this thread alone, to avoid picking at the poor guy's scabs any more, but I thought this needed to be addressed: quiet desperation and loud desperation are not the only two options available.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
quote:Even though I'm certainly guilty of keeping this thread alive, despite the fact that it only existed in the first place to satisfy a fairly idle curiosity on my part.
I know I don't believe the second half of this sentence. The question is: do you? I wonder how honest you can handle being with yourself, and my guess (after reading this thread) is not very.
*shrug*
I hope you find what you're looking for.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson:
quote:Survivor is simply not content to live a life of quiet desperation.
I had told myself I was going to leave this thread alone, to avoid picking at the poor guy's scabs any more, but I thought this needed to be addressed: quiet desperation and loud desperation are not the only two options available.
I was going to post the same.
There is always the other one...loving life, and your fellow man.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Kwea:
quote:There is always the other one...loving life, and your fellow man.
Why'd you have to go and turn this into a homosexuality thread?
:twisted:
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by Scott R: Kwea:
quote:There is always the other one...loving life, and your fellow man.
Why'd you have to go and turn this into a homosexuality thread?
:twisted:
LOL
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
So why is the alternative to quite desperation assumed to be "loud desperation?" It could be quiet serenity, or loud serenity.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Loud desperation is what prompted this thread.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Quiet Serenity, Loud Serenity:
Just give us Serenity.
Or, barring the whole ship, give us Gina Torres.
Oh, mama.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
I guess I could post a link to my firefly/12 step essay, that only two other people read as far as I know. But I'm running late.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
I never asked for an essay.
You confuse me sometimes, pooka.
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
Well, I suppose laziness is a form of desperation. And the sort of laziness that demands everyone give me opinions because I'm too lazy to collect them on my own time is probably a louder form than some others.
I wouldn't say I'm serene. I keep trying to come up with a "kinder, gentler" vision of my role in affairs. My "how about 'catch and release'?" flirtation was particularly funny...er, well, that's probably dependent on viewpoint. Maybe desperation isn't a bad description for how I feel about things sometimes. And when I'm not feeling desperate it's not because I've summoned up some inner pool of serenity. I'm told that I do have one, though. Apparently it's quite deep
What I need more than either is determination. I thought I could pick some up on the cheap by hanging around here a bit, but while I'm certainly more comfortable intellectually with my assigned tasks, my long affiliation with humanity still leaves me conflicted. The reluctance I feel is deeper than what can be removed with a couple of hours' exposure to the worst you have to offer. Not to disparage your wickedness, certainly you have been exemplars of that quality. Even my own dad couldn't show a better example...partly because he tends to lapse into genuine incoherence at a certain threshhold.
But I think that the essence of determination is to be willing to do something when you don't necessarily feel like it, not just being able to find ways to help yourself feel like doing what you ought. So perhaps I should feel satisfied with the degree of success I've had in reaching my other goals for this latest spate of posting. If I reach 700 posts I will back-date that as one of my goals...or perhaps I'll just...no, reaching 600 wasn't a goal, and I guess reaching 700 is also not a goal. But I have accomplished one, and may yet accomplish the other.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
So what action is it you want us to take? Because you're souding like you have a warning of some kind and then express sadness that we have not heeded it. Is this a general purpose "pull your head out of the BFFC" or is there something else?
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
Well, I just wanted to get a quick read on the current state of the forum, and also check Tom specifically since there were some interesting indications that he might be feeling neglected. Not that such a feeling would be unjustified, but it honestly isn't my purpose on this world to make anyone feel loved. I'm not averse to helping people that way or anything, it just isn't what I'm here to do, that's all.
I think that anyone who is concerned about what I would suggest should contact a competent mass extinction support organization specializing in assistance to your species. Other than that I think that you should fill your lives with joy, truth, and love...that probably means quitting this particular forum or at least cutting back.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:I suppose that, in the end, all you'll ever think about me is what you think of my reasons for being on this planet.
Actually, and it's a little bizarre that you are unable or unwilling to figure this out from my plain statements, the only prominent question that I have now or ever had about you is whether you're quite literally insane, or if this is all a satirical act.
I have never given any consideration to what your purpose is as a human being, as there has never been any credible tenability granted to the notion that you are not actually a human being. Occam's razor, you know. It's an insult to any rational being to assume that they're taking you seriously without proof, because that would make them pretty gosh-darn gullible.
Anyway, whether it's all an act or not, I'm pretty certain that you're quite a silly man!
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
Well, the silliness goes without saying, doesn't it?
I genuinely reject the concensus reality experienced by yourself and the predominant members of this forum. In that sense you may term me to be "insane". Relatively soon, this conflict between your culture's consensus reality will lead to open conflict, a conflict that I am prepared to decisively win, even though I'm not particularly pleased with the details of how this will be accomplished. Partly because the main effect of my demonstration of superior predictive insight into the nature of reality will be to convince most people in your culture that I am even more insane than you currently believe.
As I've said elsewhere, what you think of me is a good deal more important than what I think of you, though for different reasons than you like to flatter yourselves. And the widespread belief that I am insane will have serious implications for you in the times that are coming.
All you must do to prove me wrong is to kill me. But that is beyond the power of your species to accomplish. The only viable alternative is to believe me, but you have already chosen not to do so. And so you will cling to your deaths, because I was not sent here to save humanity.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
[quote]Not that such a feeling would be unjustified, but it honestly isn't my purpose on this world to make anyone feel loved. I'm not averse to helping people that way or anything, it just isn't what I'm here to do, that's all.[/i]
I guess you can't make anyone feel loved. If this who thing of excluding yourself from the species is to get out of loving your neighbor as yourself, I think you're mistaken. The whole point of the Good Samaritan is that Samaritans were miscengenated and all that implied to those people at that time. It's come up before and there are people who don't agree with me, by my learning was that a Samaritan was viewed as more unclean than a gentile.
Then there's the old "you have to love yourself before you love your neighbor" saw. While this is technically true, I believe there is a discussion in the New Testament somewhere about how there was never a man who did not love himself because the very fact that you are alive attests to this love. At which point we come to spoilers for Xenocide and Children of the Mind.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:All you must do to prove me wrong is to kill me. But that is beyond the power of your species to accomplish. The only viable alternative is to believe me
Ever heard of a 'false dilemma,' chummer? This here would be a perfect example. I don't have to lift a finger to not believe you. I don't have to kill you. Your logic is completely incoherent!
And taking the single most viable logical interpretation of a situation (guy on internet forum claims to be superpowerful ubercool nonhuman species involved in future destruction of mankind) and trusting it to be the likely reality (delusional) is not a 'concensus' (sp) reality. Really, for being such an amazing unkillable superbeing, you sure don't manage to understand 'logic' very well.
Anyway, what's the purpose behind continually attempting to elucidate upon how powerful you are? Does a single person here believe you, or is this simply waxing masturbatory?
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
I'm not interested in proving you wrong, Survivor. With all the conditions you impose, how could such a thing possibly be done anyway? And no, that does not automatically mean you're telling the truth.
Anyway, I've given up discussing this with you. This will be my last post on the matter. You're either delusional, or just a strange jerk who wants to appear so...but in either case, you've not wavered once from your transparent motive of tugging on a bunch of puppet strings.
I was pretty clear on that going in, but there was a very slight, faint chance that I was wrong, that that wasn't the way it'd be. *shrug* That chance wasn't realized.
Get help, Survivor. Strange jerk or deluded human being, you clearly need it. I hope your life improves, whichever is true about you.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:I'm not interested in proving you wrong, Survivor. With all the conditions you impose, how could such a thing possibly be done anyway?
At least when telling us to do something impossible he gloats about how it's impossible. You know, just so we know.
Posted by Me, Myself, and I (Member # 10003) on :
You're not by chance, planning to destroy us so you can build an interstellar highway through our planet, are you?
If so, could you please share some poetry with us?
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
Well, I'm glad that Rakeesh has no interest in proving me wrong, anyway
I was reading another landmark thread, one about "Shining Moments". I have a lot of moments like that, but all of them are too deeply intertwined with what I am for me to ever share them with anyone. I've often enjoyed using my powers to benefit others. I suppose the natural desire this feeds, to only use my powers for "good" rather than "awesome", has been one of my more persistant temptations.
I'm sort of curious about what word Samprimary thinks I was trying to spell when I wrote "consensus". Not curious enough to figure it out for myself, though
I was not made so as to be able to die from lack of love, even from myself. Indeed, while I do not need your hatred to endure, it has ever made me stronger. Will I miss it? Probably not. It hasn't turned me into a Samaritan, after all.
There will eventually be an interstellar transportation junction situated on this planet, and it is true that the destruction of humanity is necessary before that can proceed, but I'm acting for rather different reasons. As for the poetry, sorry you missed it
I hope that you will not take it amiss when I say that I fully intend to enjoy my work. Of course there will be sadness, and even pain. But the sheer pleasure of it, the joy of serving the purpose for which my body was designed...I will not deny that these attract me. Perhaps I should long for the challenges of a human existance, but I've never been willing to discard the advantages I've been given. Humanity really is better as a fictional device after all.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:I'm sort of curious about what word Samprimary thinks I was trying to spell when I wrote "consensus".
You mean when you wrote "concensus?" I assumed you meant to spell "consensus." Huh. Wonder who misses that sort of thing.
Don't worry, I won't make the easy dig at ostensibly super-amazing beings that apparently can't be arsed to spellcheck or put punctuation inside quotation marks. This sort of material writes itself and the excuse is usually 'we're too far above you to care!'
Please continue! Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
quote:can't be arsed to spellcheck
Is this a case of TomDavidson's law or a usage I don't understand?
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote:Originally posted by pooka:
quote:can't be arsed to spellcheck
Is this a case of TomDavidson's law or a usage I don't understand?
The latter.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
So it's a blending of cutting edge hipsterism and grammar nazism? How peculiar. So what exactly is the use of proofreading to rebut an argument called?
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
I did mention that I'm a grammar "atheist", right? For spelling I'm more just an occasional heretic.
Well, I never said that using human language was my strong point. I'm better at it than most of you, but the construct itself is inherently imperfect. I suppose that's what is behind that rather strange usage of "arsed".
In any case, I think that I prefer not to be "arsed" at all, even if it will result in perfect spellchecking, which I doubt Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Well, a wide open search of Hatrack doesn't show any hits for "arsed" as a transitive verb in the last 6 months. Now I know I am also guilty of nitpicking. He who lives by the red pen shall die by the red pen.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
See? He's too far above us to care.
It's like clockwork.
I can't wait for the part where he demands that we bring him Dale Arden.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
Or powdered Barry Manilow nose.
Posted by Dan_Frank (Member # 8488) on :
"Can't be arsed" is a colloquial term, Pooka. I've never heard it here in the US, and I dunno if it's popular on the 'Rack, but it's fairly common in Britain.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
There's a bit of dag, then. Dan_frank ain't no drongo.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
Fo' Sheezy.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Survivor you keep mentioning with what I would call anticipation the culmination of your purpose. Obviously you know actually stating what that purpose is leaves it open to scrutiny from us mere mortals. Not that you owe us an explanation, certainly it's not within our power to stop you, but would you be willing to condescend and explain to at least me what it is you think you were designed to do?
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
<Removed.>
[ February 12, 2007, 12:02 AM: Message edited by: Papa Janitor ]
Posted by Papa Janitor (Member # 7795) on :
I'm gonna have to lock this, at least temporarily, pending some consultation.
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