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Season six is exciting because they throw a LOT of new plot elements at you. SPOILERS: I mean they get ships, the inform more nations of the Stargate, Daniel comes back and you find out about Atlantis, they find the first actual Ancient,

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I think that the content in season six is better.

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I'll wait until you've finished the series before we chat about it again. Some of the best individual episodes for me are in seasons two, three, four and five. Six through nine have some good content too, though a lot of people think the show jumped in season six, or season nine when RDA left.

But we'll talk again when you finish, maybe seeing the whole thing in retrospect will give you a different view. I'm curious as to which season is KQ's favorite. She's the only person on Hatrack I can think of that might be as rabid a fan as I.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Season 2 and 4 have my favorite stand-alones and some of my favorite arc episodes. I think S4 is my overall favorite, although there are great eps. in every season. Actually, season 1 is when I was hooked, I've been watching ever since, so I think it was good from the beginning, even if (I'll admit it) RDA's hawtness was part of the initial draw (hey, I was a teenage girl! I'm allowed to watch shows for the hotties!)

And I think quid is probably as rabid a fan as we are. rivka's a fan, too, but I'm not sure how "rabid."

I actually am not much of a fan of S1 of Atlantis. I think it took a while for the writers to get it right. It was better when I watched it straight through on DVD; the commercials broke it up too much. Season 2, though, is good (what I've seen of it) and Season 3 I think was really starting to get awesome.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Atlantis had a slower start, partially I believe because it never really felt like it was going anywhere, and I never felt like they were making any progress. Season Two helped kick it into high gear, and three has been really exciting.

I don't watch my Atlantis DVDs nearly as much as my SG1 dvds, but then, there's a lot of episodes I'd watch in season two of Atlantis if I had them. Thankfully it's coming to DVD soon (March 6th).
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Season 6 has my all-time favourite episode: Abyss. But I do love Jonas, and I think he's underrated as far as characters go.

Overall, I think seasons 3-5 are where the show's the strongest, both in terms of overall story arc and individual episodes. 7's fun because of Evolution, parts I and II, wherein Daniel is dirty and sweaty (and in a wifebeater) in the jungles of Nicaragua, but that could just be me...
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
'Scuse ME!

I'm every bit as rabid a SG fan as any of y'all!

Now, as far as Lyrhawn's analysis of S2 and S3, I agree for the most part. Except for "Urgo," which should be burned. Twice, just in case he escapes the first time. (Ok, it's really not that bad. I even find it amusing when I'm in the right frame of mind. But one of the best episodes??? NEVER!)

I love season four. Partly because it's the first season I saw, partly because it has several spectacular episodes . . . and largely because while I think Sam and Jack would actually make a lousy couple, there is an unsquashable shipper part of me that loves together-but-not-together angst.

I like Jonas, but given the choice between him and Daniel, guess who wins hands down? But season 6 is not bad.

Now, I have to go watch the two most recent SGA episodes. Bye!
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Urgo? BURNED?

Surely you jest. That episode amuses me to no end.

Stupid having to wait until April for more episodes!
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
You know that site that was linked to in the Scrubs thread earlier today? They have the recent SG-1 and SGA episodes too. (I have another source, but they're not currently accepting new people.)
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Yeah, that site's now in my bookmarks.

And I knew you really liked the show, but I didn't know if you were out of your mind over it. Now I know.

I wouldn't list Urgo among my favorites, but I do enjoy it. It's a fun episode of the comedy variety, and I am a big fan of Dom deLouise (he is just as fun and funny in person as on screen.)
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Y'know, you know that you are far too rabid a fan of Stargate when your new niece is named Morgan Lynnea, and your first thought is "Wow, they named her after two Stargate characters!" (In reality, they probably just liked the names, which are historically for the mythical figure Morgan LeFay, not the Stargate character, and the twinflower, also called Linnaea, named after Carolus Linnaeus, creator of the system of scientific nomenclature for species. Knowing my in-laws I know more about the history of the names than they do, and they have no clue that they chose two Stargate names.)
 

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Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
Re Jonas:

**** SPOILERS ****

See, here's the deal: I never cared for Daniel Jackson much. I wasn't sad to see him go, and I am not looking forward to seeing him come back.

**** END SPOILERS ****

[ January 22, 2007, 07:44 PM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Ohhh, well that explains a LOT.

Daniel Jackson is tied with O'Neill for my favorite character, and no one else even comes close.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
mph, SACRILEGE!
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
He was a lot hotter before he buffed up. But that's no reason to want to see him dead.

SPOILER

Not that he EVER stays dead.

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Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
I didn't say I wanted him dead -- just that I don't really care for the character and am not emotionally attached to having him on the show.
 

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But we'll talk again when you finish, maybe seeing the whole thing in retrospect will give you a different view. I'm curious as to which season is KQ's favorite. She's the only person on Hatrack I can think of that might be as rabid a fan as I.

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*poke*

The only *bad* season, IMO, is S8. Which is kind of sad, because it also has some of my favorite episodes (most notably, Zero Hour). I think the writers did the show a real disservice when they didn't add a fourth member to SG1 and tried to concentrate on Earth-based storylines.

Will B -
If what you like are the long story arcs, then you'd probably do best to continue w/S2. Without too many spoilers, S2 introduces the Asgard (for real) and the Tok'Ra.

Edit: mph, if you don't like Daniel, you'll have a hard time w/seasons 9 & 10.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I know. I just had to make the joke, sorry.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
No spoilers, I promise. But I'm watching Sunday (to distract me from waiting for the gol-darned locksmith), and I had to stop and say this.

*swoon*
Oh, boy. Dark, wavy hair. Beard. Smart, funny, and likes strong women. Self-confident. Good sense of priorities.

*swoons again*

(He's wrong about Annie Hall, but that's ok.)
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I don't mind S8 so much, but it isn't my least favorite, I don't think anyway.

"Lockdown" is one of my favorite episodes. It's also I think the first episode I ever saw completely. (Yeah I know, I didn't get into it until Season 8).
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
The first four episodes of the season (that includes 'Lockdown') are great. After that, it's all filler of varying quality (ok to bad) until 'Reckoning'. And then Moebius tops it off *shudder*.

Out of curiousity, what is your least favorite season?
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Moebius is FUN!

Besides, no Moebius would mean no nerds!
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
I know. Didn't I show you that vid?

Still, 'Moebius' was painful to watch.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Season Nine probably is my least favorite. I think seven starts strong, ends strong, and is filler of medium quality in the middle. Same thing for eight, except I love "Prometheus Unbound."

Season nine has a couple excellent episodes as well, but it has the smallest number of my favorites, and as a whole it's just my least favorite. With the exception of "Babylon," "Ripple Effect," "Crusade," and "Camelot", I could have done without almost all the rest of the season and not felt I was missing anything.

Ten on the other hand is great so far. I think they got a great start with it, which only makes me more sad that there won't be an eleven.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Probably.

It's my current computer-alarm-clock music.

I'm allowed to enjoy Moebius. Lyrhawn likes Urgo!
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
I can see where you're coming from w/S9. It'd probably be my second least favorite. Not bad, just not the best. It probably helps that I had really low expectations coming into the season.

Ack! Why'd you have to edit and mess me up?

I'd add 'Beachhead', 'The Scourge', 'Arthur's Mantle', and 'The Fourth Horseman' to your list. Otherwise, I agree.

Rivka - Urgo was mid-season filler. It's allowed to be funny crap. Moebius was an end-of-the-season, last-O'Neill-episode, two-parter finale. We deserved more.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I would remove "funny" from your description of Urgo.

And Moebius made all the Sam/Jack shippers (including me, darnit!) very, very happy. Anyway, I know no true SF fan is supposed to say this, but I like time-travel episodes! Especially SG time-travel episodes.
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
"Row, row, row your boat..."
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Miro -

Sorry about the edit, I wanted to be more specific.

Riv -

"Urgo" was hysterical, it's one of the best filler comedy episodes. riv, you'll love the second Stargate movie then, it's all about Baal and time travel.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 

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Same thing for eight, except I love "Prometheus Unbound."

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Yeah! I dislike Vala as a regular character, but I absolutely love "Prometheus Unbound."
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I liked her as a regular character to START with, but her same ole same ole is grating on my nerves a bit. I still like her, and I love the interaction between her and Daniel, but I'd like to see her character expanded a lot.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
BIGTIME HUGE SPOILERS

NOT KIDDING!

If you haven't seen Sunday and don't want to see SPOILERS, this is your last warning!
















[rant]

I didn't much like this plotline when they killed off Dr. Frasier in much the same way. Yada yada, in the line of duty, brave doctor putting themselves in harm's way to save their patient, yada yada. Emotionally manipulative tripe. (And I am NOT going to cry! *sniffle*)

And much like that episode, Sunday tried to pretend to be about something altogether different right up until the death. Which just means that some really sweet, enjoyable scenes that I really liked have become ones I may never be able to watch again.

So much for, "Dr. Beckett won't be killed off, but instead will disappear in the second half of the current season. Though McGillion will not be a regular in Season Four, he may return for future episodes"!!!

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I killed the thread with spoilers. Go me!

>_<
 

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Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
Is that like blinding someone with science?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Thanks for the notice about that site having all the episodes on it. I've been catching up. Why is there tons more Atlantis than SG1 though?

Have to say though, two things:

1. Atlantis has gotten a lot better.

2. Rodney is getting on my nerves.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
I think there are more current-season episodes out of Atlantis than of SG1. At least, the numbers are way ahead - "Sunday" is something like 3x17, whereas the last SG1 episode shown was 10x12. Or something. At least that's all I could find online... not that I'm waiting frantically for the episode entitled "The Shroud"...
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Heh, I love the part in "Irresponsible" when Lucius Lavin makes the "Back to the Future" and the "Princess Bride" references.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
SPOILERS - PERTAINING TO WHAT RIV WAS TALKING ABOTU EARLIER!


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How else was he going to go? Either they die doing something heroic, or they die what, from a heart attack? or he just unceremoniously leaves the show to go into the void where people who leave the show go.

When Janet died, there was another quality about it that I liked, the fact that, for all the Red Shirts we constantly saw getting hit with staff blasts, one of the main characters can get snuffed out just as easily. The casual way in which throwaway characters are killed off is totally different when it's someone we've actually grown to care about who gets so casually snuffed out.

And on a day just like any other, on a day off even, the same thing happened to Carson. Besides, Janet died, and she still came back from a cameo in another episode. It's sci-fi, if they want to bring him back, they will. I think he bowed out with some style.
 

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Is that like blinding someone with science?

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Thanks for the notice about that site having all the episodes on it. I've been catching up. Why is there tons more Atlantis than SG1 though?

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Because Atlantis came back from Hiatus (in Canada, anyway) two months before SG-1 did. Why?

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Heh, I love the part in "Irresponsible" when Lucius Lavin makes the "Back to the Future" and the "Princess Bride" references.

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Yeah. Richard Kind is fun.



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How else was he going to go? Either they die doing something heroic, or they die what, from a heart attack? or he just unceremoniously leaves the show to go into the void where people who leave the show go.

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I choose door number three, please.
 

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SPOILER continuation below!!
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Several people have left by the third door rather than the third. Jack, General Hammond, Aiden Ford (sort of), Jonas. Jacob Carter left by the second door. Daniel left by the first door, but came back, which really only leaves Carson and Janet as semi-main characters that died in the line of duty. Lots of minor characters have been killed off, but really, when you look at the near misses these people have accumulated over so many seasons, having one of them die in the line of duty is believeable in the extreme. Though it's odd that both characters who died like that were doctors, who'd you'd think would be the LAST people to die, since they are the ones who are seldom in harm's way.

How, specifically, would you have had him leave? Not being confrontational about it, I'm honestly curious. Whenever a fan favorite leaves a show, the reason is almost always unsatisfactory. If he had gone back to Earth, knowing how much he loves being a doctor on Atlantis, it would've felt unbelievable to me. And it was a nice moment there at the end between him and Rodney. I know they were violently, deliberately tugging at my heart strings, but I like seeing the characters close like that, we don't have that sort of feeling on Atlantis yet I think, not like we do on SG1.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
STILL SPOILERS!












If the episode had not been so deliberately DIFFERENT, if it had truly been a day like any other on Atlantis, I think I wouldn't be objecting nearly as much. A big part of my complaint is that the whole thing is so artificial -- and made up a whole bunch of pieces that just don't fit. Like that hunk who was there for the first 10 minutes or so (with a brief glimpse later when Rodney spotted them), and who had nothing to do with anything! And they're cute/sweet little bits that I liked (Branton & Weir, Rodney & Katie, Shepard & Ronon), and which would have been good additions to an episode. But an entire ep packed full of them?

The jumping back and forth in time was annoying as hell. And manipulative too -- and obvious about it to boot! And the last two minutes were cheesy AND manipulative.

So I guess a big part of my objection is not just to the details of how they killed him off. (Oh, and I wasn't saying all SG expats get killed off. I was saying all SG expat doctors get killed off. Heroically!) But if they had to kill him off, did it have to be while he was doing something incredibly stupid (but, if you buy the line they were selling, incredibly brave)? At least Janet was simply doing her job -- he had to die while defying orders!

Who does he think he is, Spock?

True, they would have had to have good reason to have him leave. Some kind of family emergency -- maybe something to do with his mother -- would have done the trick, sort of like how Radar left M.A.S.H. Works for me.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Instead it was more like how BLAKE left MASH.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Yeah, I was actively avoiding that comparison. Anyway, that happened offscreen. No huge fireballs.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
SPOILERS...yadda yadda yadda

I wouldn't have made it if you hadn't brought up MASH. You know no matter how it would have left, there would have been a cheesy heartfelt goodbye scene. I think they are virtually inescapable when a character leaves a show, well, unless he's disliked, like Frank. But when Radar and Blake left, it was emotionally, and in the last episode, when EVERYONE left, it was an emotionalsplosion.

I didn't mind that they tried so hard to make it look like it was a day off, but I too was annoyed by the chronological skipping. They could have let the incident play out like a normal day and just skipped to the different story lines, like they would have done anyway.

Watching Ronon play golf was hilarious.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Yeah, the whole golf bit was great.
 

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Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
 

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I'm curious as to which season is KQ's favorite. She's the only person on Hatrack I can think of that might be as rabid a fan as I.

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Y'know, you know that you are far too rabid a fan of Stargate when your new niece is named Morgan Lynnea, and your first thought is "Wow, they named her after two Stargate characters!"

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When I hear Lynnea, my first and only thought is "Killer of Worlds". What, her name means something else?


I've been avoiding this thread - and other Stargate threads - because we don't have the latest seasons. They're not accessible here, so we have no way of watching them. And it has me immensely sad. Sad. Mad. Bad sad. Mad. Not glad. *twitch*

Yeah.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
The probably was "irony", quid. Look it up.

And did you check out the site linked on the Scrubs site? 'Cause I saw some pretty recent episodes on there.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 

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When I hear Lynnea, my first and only thought is "Killer of Worlds". What, her name means something else?

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Ditto. I mean, it sounded vaguely Swiss (turns out it is, kind of) but my first thought was "Linea, Killer of Worlds."

I will not be sharing this information with my in-laws.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 

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Lyrhawn, what? I don't even count as a passing remote thought?

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A thousand apologies! From now on your name will be first in my thoughts whenever a discussion of rabid Stargate fans arises.
 

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Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
 
Much better!


Apologies accepted on one condition. Send me all the seasons I don't have...


kq, yeah, my irony meter is broken today.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
But I just finally got my collection back up to date! Until March anyway.

What seasons are you missing?
 

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Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
 
We're missing season 8 and after and all of Atlantis.

Think you can manage it?
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Lyrhawn, what? I don't even count as a passing remote thought?

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A thousand apologies! From now on your name will be first in my thoughts whenever a discussion of rabid Stargate fans arises.

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Originally posted by Lyrhawn:

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Lyrhawn, what? I don't even count as a passing remote thought?

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A thousand apologies! From now on your name will be first in my thoughts whenever a discussion of rabid Stargate fans arises.

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HEY!

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Say you love Jonas and hate Daniel.

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Well THEN my problem is deciding who to bequeath my DVDs to, which puts me in the same trouble spot!

KQ -

Agreed
 

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Well THEN my problem is deciding who to bequeath my DVDs to, which puts me in the same trouble spot!

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That's easy. quid and rivka both already have some (I think rivka does, anyway), and I have none. Plus quid can't get DVDs in Sri Lanka anyway (see her posts elsewhere about them being "confiscated" on the way in), and Emma loves Stargate and is much cuter than rivka. And we'd even share with rivka if she wanted us to. So I'm the obvious choice.
 

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Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
Can't quid get all her (bootlegged) DVDs for like $1.00 each?
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Yeah, but only the ones that are available there.
 

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Posted by Will B (Member # 7931) on :
 
Well, I ordered Season 2 tonight. I believed the advice that things picked up in Season 4, but I had to resolve Season 1's cliffhanger. And see Thor and the Tokra debut.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Rivka has all the Stargate DVDs that have been released in the US, and has SGA S2 on advance order (and has since Amazon started taking them).

Rivka also likes Jonas, and would have been perfectly happy to have him stick around as a continuing character -- as long as we still got Daniel back. Rivka's feelings for Daniel as best described as Barista-like.

Rivka also has no idea why she is speaking in the third person, although it could be a result of too much Lois&Clark fanfic. It's kinda fun though. She may continue indefinitely.













. . . nah. I'm done.
 

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Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
 
$2 each, and yeah, only what's available. Stargate seasons 8 and beyond being on the Not Available Yet list, along with Atlantis season 2+.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Sunday SPOILERS again. This Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! [/announcer]


















Upon a second viewing, I withdraw some of my objections. It flowed much better and more organically than my first impression. And knowing where it was going meant I was not distracted by red herrings (like being sure Mike was a Wraith spy who caused the explosion and was making sure Weir was out of the way).

I'm still not happy about the last few minutes, but I no longer hate the episode as a whole. And I really, really liked the follow-ups from Duet and M&MM. I hope we see more of Katie -- I like her. And did you catch that now Rodney insults underlings by comparing them to Maddie instead of to Jeanie?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I DID catch that. I thought it was a nice change.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Yeah. Not to mention hysterical.

I hope they bring back Jeanie. I really liked her. M&MM is by far my favorite SGA ep to date.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Mine too.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I keep forgetting to burn a CD so my dad can see it (well, at least the first 3 minutes).
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
New SGA: 7 out of 10. Maybe an 8.

New SG-1: 9.5 out of 10.

And yet they're cancelling which one?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I'm pleasantly surprised by the high quality of both shows this season. I think they both REALLY kicked it up a notch.

And you still might get your SG1 fix a couple times a year if the movie franchise survives.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Yeah, and Amanda (who had almost all the screen time in this episode, and was a big part of why it was so good) will be on Atlantis, so all is not lost.

Atlantis just keeps recycling the same plot. "The Ancients abandoned this project, but we're gonna make it work!" You'd think that blowing up 5/6 of a solar system back in season 2 would have quashed that tendency.
 

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Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
 
Hey, it wasn't their star system.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
They're only human, and members of the Stargate at that. They NEVER learn their lesson.

Plus it's RODNEY. I'm surprised his ego even FITS through the gate.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
SPOILER ALERT!


No, really!


Well, okay, it's not that huge, but I just caught "The Road Not Taken" and thought the end was super-cute. The episode overall was quite good, though I really did want to see Vala in jail.


END SPOILERS.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
That's actually one of the things I took off the .5 of a point for.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
WOOHOO! The Shroud gets a solid 10!

SPOILER ALERT! SPOILER ALERT!
















Yay! Daniel's back. And even bigger YAY! Jack! The Jack and Daniel scenes were AWESOME. (There was almost no Sam-Jack interaction, and what there was was completely platonic, with no underlying unresolved angst at all. Works for me. ) The Teal'c's third degree bit was great. Vala sitting on Daniel's lap was hysterical and sorta sweet.

And Daniel was just all-around spectacular. Michael Shanks is such a great actor, with incredible layers to his performance, depth, nuance . . . ! Superb.

As for the Ori, I don't believe they're entirely dead. That was way too easy. Moreover, I'm afraid of a Tinkerbell affect -- their followers' belief will revive them. Adria's probably not dead either. Just really, really ticked.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Where did you see it at?
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
*twirls mustache*
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Ditto on everything about "The Shroud." That's the sort of Stargate I've been missing.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
::shakes fist threateningly at rivka::
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Meh. Vengeance gets a 6.

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And it would have been a 4, but I like Trip. I mean, Michael. Connor Trineer, anyway. Although not as much in this episode -- he was just banging away at the one note, with little of the depth he showed in previous episodes.

And I'm with Shepherd. I hate those bugs, and freakin' don't want to SEE the dreadful little CG-created monstrosities, or their larger cousins. And they had entirely too much screen time. In fact, the whole episode played like a horror movie, and I hate those.

One redeeming feature: Ronon was great. He's right about the retrovirus (mostly, anyway), and his response to Shepherd's plan was awesome.

One more episode left of season three. Think First Strike will manage to be any good?
 

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I was hoping the Apollo would be a new type of ship, rather than another Daedelus-class ship. I mean, where're the phasers?
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
The SGA finale was...interesting. It felt more like a prequel for season 4 than an actual episode. Not a whole lot of fun.

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 

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Finales in the Stargate franchises are kind of hit-or-miss, IMO. They either rock, or do just what you described.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
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I liked it. Fancy effects, typical race against time with a plan that should have worked but didn't quite and then there's another plan, and then the last ditch effort that works! And then falls short. It's the Stargate episode recipe basically, especially for season finales. But we keep coming back for more!

And I wanted to make a special note that while it is a bit odd to see Jewel Staite in an uniform on Atlantis, I already love her character.

Shepard won't take over for Weir, the IOA would never go for it, there needs to as least be the illusion of civilian control.

But this, well, it's a new development, and they were right when they said that it opens up a whole new bag of tricks and possibilities for the show, but it also sort of depends on how they resolve it. Quite frankly, why they didn't just lift off from the planet and fly right to earth as soon as they got the three ZPMs to begin with boggles the mind. The Wraith can't get to them, they can still fight them with ships, and from their bases there, it makes little sense to stay in constant danger.

Anywho, it'll obviously be resolved in the first episode of next season, but I'm really curious to see what happens next. I thought something like this might happen, the bit about the stardrive being fixed seemed a little convenient, but who am I to argue.

As for last week's episode of SG1, "Shroud", first off, I don't like Teal'c anymore. He rocked for so long, but for the last couple seasons he's been like a wooden board. He has two modes: Mode 1: Foil for a joke. Mode 2: Insanely melodramatic deep throated grumble voice. I just don't care about him anymore. Some of his Jaffa struggle stuff was cool TEN SEASONS AGO, but I'm a little more picky in Season 11, and a few seasons of stagnant character development and what not later, he could be killed off without me really being that sad about it. It's near the end now, and I want him to make it to the end, but him going back to the Jaffa after we defeat the Ori wouldn't bother me in the least.

Good episode for plot advancement. I don't think we've necessarily seen the last of Adria either. For all we know, the Ori killer weapon has absolutely no effect at all on the physical world, which means her, and her ship, are perfectly fine, but the Ori themselves are dead.

Either way, there's like seven of those ships flying willy nilly around the galaxy now. Where the hell are the Asgard in all this? Their replicator threat is gone. Where are the Nox? Surely their cloaking, dead reviving thing could come in handy. Where are the Ferlings? There's a lot of questions I want answered before the next few episodes come up. Somethings gotta give though if they can deal with basically twice the threat they had previously, even if the Ori are dead. Their followers are still the biggest threat to date.
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Sunday is growing on me. Listening to various (non-bagpipe) versions of Dark Island is helping with that. The original title of the piece (spoilers, kinda) is pretty cool too.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
We never actually saw it get squashed, personally I think they ran away. Regardless, they have tons of super advanced ships, with weapons much stronger than anything we have, and shields MUCH stronger than what those Jaffa ships have.

Nox shmocks. They need to get over themselves.

And we still don't exactly know what happened to the Furlings, but I refuse to believe they are all just dead, or at the very least, that something they might have left behind has part to play in the future of one of the Stargate series'.

And where are the friggin tok'ra? Where's the tok'ori? It just seems like a whole lot of our traditional allies, or at least the framework for the last ten years of SG exploration doesn't matter a whole lot anymore. The Asgard are our go to guys when we get into trouble. Other than having an Asgard on our battleships, and having a single, token Asgard ship at the battle of the supergate, I haven't seen a whole lot from them. And after all we did for them, frankly, I think we're owed a bit.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS!
For SGA Season Finale First Strike AND for SG-1 The Bounty











I was pleasantly surprised by SGA, especially given some of the spoilers (here and elsewhere). I thought the pacing was good, the plot made sense (nice change, that), and the follow-up on previous episodes was excellent. Yes, can we please acknowledge that Carson is dead, three episodes later? And finally, the whole drilling platform makes sense. The full-circle of submerging the city was cool, although it would have been better without the characters banging us over the head with it.

Jewel was pretty good. Michael Beach was quite good (much more likable than as Al Boulet, neh? ) -- is he supposed to be a recurring next season?

The Lost In Space bit was far more amusing than I think it was meant to be. (We're lost in the middle of nowhere, far from any planets or stars or stargates and we have only 24 hours of power! Oh noes ! )

Some definite flaws, but a solid season ender, IMO -- call it an 8.5.



The Bounty, OTOH, was another excellent, nay, almost-perfect SG-1 episode. Kansas!!! Well, naturally. Loved Cam's parents. Vala was great. And the various bounty hunters were awesome . . . even if we did have to use a Mack truck plot device to get Daniel away from the sexy one! And while I did see both "surprise!"s coming with the holoprojector, it was well done anyway.

Man, am I going to miss this show!!!
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
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Yes, Michael Beach will be a recurring character next season, but I'd expect to see him as much as, or much less than, Colonel Caldwell's character. Frankly, I like Caldwell more, he's just as much of a prick as Colonel Ellis is, but at the same time you can feel that maybe he and Weir really do respect and maybe even like each other on some level. They've worked together long enough to trust that the other isn't incompetent. Ellis just marches in, just got his command, and procedes to act like he's in charge when Weir has been there for three years. It's the same mistake Colonel...Sumner(?) made when he came in during the defense of Atlantis last season, and it got HIM killed.

Still, I like Michael Beach, and his character will be good, and they will use it fairly often. They can rotate amongst the three captains now. Personally I was sad to see the Russian colonel go when the Korolev was destroyed, but of the ships, his was the more expendable, plotwise and characterwise. The colonel on the Odyssey is the only one who doesn't act like a smug, arrogant jerk all the time (though he exudes a certain smugness even then. Must be a prerequisite for commanding a ship in America's Space Forces .
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
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Yeah, Colonel Chekhov was a favorite of mine for a long time. And I really, really liked Emerson . . . but he's dead. Lucien Alliance shot him, neh? And Caldwell gets under my skin.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
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Oh I forgot about Emerson, you're right. Caldwell gets under my skin too, but he's grown on me over time. Odyssey currently has no known commander. I wouldn't mind seeing Major Lorne promoted and given command of the ship, I've always liked Lorne. We'll probably see a new ship next season too. It looks like they pump out two a year, and that was BEFORE they shifted 80% of the SGC's funding over to ship production. I bet they can do three a year now. Still, won't make much of a difference if we can't get some more serious weaponry going. I find it hard to believe they haven't made further progress on building more drones.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
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Well, if we're going to talk about commanders of ships long gone, I miss Pendergast. And yes, I was actually somewhat surprised that they made the Prometheus blow up - I blame the Cylons.

Caught up on Atlantis S3 last night. Oh, dear Carson! I thought, overall, the second half of the season started off fairly strong and ended rather weakly. I agree about the "Vengeance" episode - just not done well. Interesting idea, pathetic execution. The finale was... mediocre. I was expecting somewhat of a stronger hook, but I suppose one can't have everything.

Looking forward to catching SG-1 - I've been almost as excited for "Bounty" as I was for "The Shroud," which continues to be my favourite episode of the past few seasons.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Lorne is great, and I miss Pendergast too.

I don't think the cost of the ships comes from the SGC's budget. It's part of the Department of Homeworld Security budget, not the SGC's. Neh?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
No, it doesn't come from the SGC's budget, but, they stole 80% of the SGC's budget and gave it directly to the 304 construction program. Remember that episode? In "The Ties That Bind," some guy came and told Landry that 80% of their funding was being yanked to totally support the Atlantis mission, since that was where everything was happening. When they argued the point to Senate Appropriations, the senator said they should be putting all the money into the 304 program, which is probably why we got two ships during that season, in Odyssey and Korolev.

And I'm pretty sure, though not positive, that the SGC's budget is IN the Homeworld Security budget.

To be honest, if this were real life, I don't blame them. Area 51 and 304 construction are vital to homeworld security at this point, we need a fleet. I wouldn't have slashed their funding by THAT much, but to get an extra ship or two, I don't blame them.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
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Anybody else get a Mitchell==Clark Kent vibe?

Seriously, SG1 has been getting better and better this season. If this quality continues through the season and to the two movies, I'll be satisfied w/a proper ending for the series.

The one thing missing from the episode is a reason for why the SGC is bothering w/the Lucian Alliance's drug trade when the Ori fleet is knocking at the door.
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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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YES! And that would be fine, if it weren't a Smallville CK.

Also, take a good look at the signs on the walls of the halls of the high school.
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
You mean Peter DeLuise? I noticed that.

Also, there was a female DeLuise in the credits. I wonder who she was playing.

Edit: I just looked her up. Ann Marie DeLuise (Peter DeLuise's wife!) was playing Amy.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
I'm curious as to thoughts on this last episode. I've read mixed things about it, and fully disagree with half of them.
 

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Posted by Will B (Member # 7931) on :
 
**SPOILERS for Season 5/6**
I'm in season 6 (season 5 cost too much on half.com; I'll get it later), and

I don't get the Jonas thing. He's an alien, but he sounds like he's from Ohio. He doesn't seem to have any customs or idiosyncracies that relate to his home world. He betrayed his government, and he can't go home, and the only thing he seems personally concerned about is whether SG-1 will let him be one of the guys. What gives?

Teal'c has a similar story, and his Jaffa-ness comes out all the time.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Will, Jonas does have a few alien-quirks, but not many. And most of Teal'c's have more to do with the differences in his physiology and Jaffa culture. Jonas' world is distinctly reminiscent of early-Cold-War-era Earth.



Carrie, if it hadn't completely ignored the current story arc AND not had Carter, I'd probably have been much happier about it. Given both those things, it's only because I've always enjoyed Joshua Malina that I give the episode 7.5 -- and seven-and-a-half-points doesn't mean a heck of a lot.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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You mean Peter DeLuise? I noticed that.

Also, there was a female DeLuise in the credits. I wonder who she was playing.

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There were two sets of signs.

And I swear, is there an adult DeLuise who still has NOT been on one SG or the other?
 

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Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
 
I thought the latest episode was great as a standalone... but feel shafted that, in light of the pending finale of SG-1, they are wasting precious episodes needed to finish the story on filler standalone episodes.

I hope they tie it in to the main story arc somehow.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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That's pretty much my feelings on it.

Which likely means I will like it more . . . eventually.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
I agree with the half who say it was hilarious. I don't so much mind that they left the Ori story behind for a while, because I've never actually liked the Ori story to begin with.

Besides, the movies have to be about something - can't tie up all the loose ends yet!
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Heh, okay that was hilarious. Man this has been a great season so far. I'm glad they are still making room for these little non-arc nuggets of fun.

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By the way, next week is a non-arc story focusing on Teal'c and a former pupil of his. It's called "Talion," which is a reference to Lex Talionis "The Law of Retribution." Basically Teal'c's former student is a big fan of Origin now, he bombs a Jaffa Council meeting and Teal'c goes on a one man vengeful quest to find him at all costs, leaving a trail of bodies in his wake. But all is not as it seems... Chances are I won't like this episode. Teal'c standalones lost their magic four or five seasons ago.

But, the week after THAT, we get "Family Ties," which I think will be a great episode. We FINALLY get some play out of the fact that General Landry's daughter is on the base and they have a rift, which seemed like it would be a big deal at the beginning of the seasons but hasn't resulted in much yet. Landry's ex-wife and the doctor's mother makes a visit to the base. And we also get to see Vala's father, played by Fred Willard, who can be hysterical. I think we're going to get a good mix of drama from the Landrys and comedy from the..Mal Dorans...Her father is supposed to be there to help organize a defense of the station.

That takes us into the final two episodes. In "Dominion," SG1 hatches some sort of plot to capture Adria using Vala as bait, but everyone's favorite Goauld, Baal, gets in the way. Frankly I'm just sick of this guy now. But he's there to muck things up, and at the end of the episode Vala is supposed to have some big unthinkable decision she has to make.

Our series finale is "Unending," which I think I've already covered before, but here it is again. They get trapped on a space ship in a time dilation field and we see them 20 years in the future, then 40 years in the future, and then they go back in time again. Originally this was supposed to be a cliffhanger, but they've had to rewrite the whole thing to end SG1 and keep Stargate alive. Anyway, from what I understand, it's basically an homage to 10 years of the team, and they live out their lives together, and then they undo the whole thing at the end.

That takes us to Stargate: The Ark of Truth, which will be released early Fall 2007, around the time Atlantis will probably be going on it's midseason break. It has sadly been confirmed that Richard Dean Anderson will NOT be in the first DVD movie. I know, it's crappy news, but it's confirmed. The movie will be the climax of the arc, as the SG1 team finds out more Ori ships are coming through the Supergate to make a final assault on Earth. Daniel thinks he knows where some superweapon is, but it's in the Ori galaxy, so they hop in the Odyssey and take off for it. But the IOA will do something to muck it up, and they'll end up in a distant galaxy fighting two powerful enemies at once. Neither Beau Bridges nor Morena Baccarin have signed onto the project yet. It starts shooting in April.
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You guys can probably expect more information on next season's Atlantis and possible news on the third Stargate series in the coming months. And hopefully news on Daniel Jackson's continuing involvement .
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I'm with you on Ba'al. He was my favorite Goa'uld for a long time, but now I just want him (and every single clone) GONE.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
But... he's HOT.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Yes, yes he is.

Hot is unfortunately NOT incompatible with incredibly, teeth-jarringly annoying.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Never said it was.

"Summit" was on the other day, and I reveled in the first time we ever saw Ba'al. "Abyss," though... mmm...
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
What, again?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
When did they get together before? I know Ben Browder was with Claudia Black in Farscape, and Daniel MIGHT have "gotten with" her in "Prometheus Unbound" or some point in between, at Vala's insistence, but I doubt it. The gist I was made to understand was that they'll get together in an actual relationship.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I don't like Farscape, so I'm certainly not talking about that. It was pretty definite on Prometheus Unbound. And they came pretty close a few times since.

I just don't buy them together. *shrug*
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
You just want Daniel, don't you.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
*LAUGH*
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Yeah, but she wants Season 2 Daniel, when he was starting to fit in a bit but before he buffed out.
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
That's what the DVDs are for.
 

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Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
 
Lyrhawn, is it me or does "Unending" sound very similar to ST:TNG's last episode, "All Good Things..."?
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Yeah, but she wants Season 2 Daniel, when he was starting to fit in a bit but before he buffed out.

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
*Spoiler*





I thought the relationship TPTB were trying to set up was between Mitchell and Dr. Lam. Granted, we've not seen her for, oh, five episodes, but I thought the secret little in-joke in "Ripple Effect" was that the AU relationship had happened.
 

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Apophis is after us *again*!

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Astronomers are monitoring an asteroid named Apophis, which has a 1 in 45,000 chance of striking Earth on April 13, 2036.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 

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Lyrhawn, is it me or does "Unending" sound very similar to ST:TNG's last episode, "All Good Things..."?

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
As long as they don't stink it up like the "X-Files" series finale. Ick. Talk about a suck-fest.
 

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Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
 
The second coming of Apophis is at hand!

I just love seeing stuff about Apophis in mainstream media. Apparently the guys who discovered the asteroid are Stargate fans, though of course Apophis, being a real mythological deity of destruction(heh!), is very much an appropriate name apart from Stargate.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Yeah, that cracks me up.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
To be more accurate, they should have named it Naquedah Bomb.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
O_o

Do you know something about the real-life asteroid that we don't?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
::forms a cage with hands::

Let's just say you really don't want to shoot any explosives at it.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Dangit.

*packs to leave for Alpha Site*
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
2036, kq. How long does it take you to pack?!?
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Hey, if someone's shooting explosives at a NAQUEDAH BOMB, I'm leaving TOMORROW.
 

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Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
 
I thought the gravity tractor was the popular solution. All we have to do is drive the Daedalus over to the asteroid and let it hang there until we alter the orbit so it doesn't hit us. No explosives required!

Also, if it does have naquadah, clearly the solution is to dispatch a mining operation! Just think of all the energy we could get out of that.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Or we just expand a hyperspace window around the asteroid with the Odyssey.
 

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And would it be SO hard to choose ONE pronunciation of Arkad and bloody STICK with it? (Isn't it weird how the different groups of Jaffa have accents almost exactly like certain Earth regions? Uncanny, really.)

Pretty sure John Tench has played an oddly similar character before. And on The Outer Limits, no less. What, they weren't just running out of plots, they ran out of original characters???

If this is what an Ori-arc episode looks like, give me last week's stand-alone again. Although I have to say, I rather like bitter-and-jaded-Daniel. And the little Jaffa girl was sweet.





Oh, and I found something useful. Google "stargate piggymoo."
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
*growl*



Oh, there was some interesting (casual but a bit odd) touching happening between two characters early on. I wonder if that has anything to do with this supposed getting-togethering.
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
Yah, I was thinking that myself. Ack! I hate spoilers.


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"Stargate piggymoo"? I'm a little worried.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I would link directly, but I believe direct links to that type of site are frowned upon here.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Thanks for the piggymoo, rivka! Teh awesome!
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Nice site riv Probably not good to link it here, but it's handy, and quite extensive.

Here's some news for everyone:

Claudia Black will be guest starring on The Dresden Files at the end of March as a rival investigator.

SG1 has been nominated for the Saturn Award for best Syndicated/Cable TV show. It won in 2000, 2004 and 2005, and lost last year to Battlestar Galactica.

I don't remember if I got into specifics before, but Amanda Tapping will be be in 14 of the 20 episodes next season for Stargate Atlantis. Jewel Staite will be in eight of the 20 episodes. No word yet, that I know of, for how many episodes Dr. Weir will be in, but I'd guess she'll be in at least the first two, maybe three episodes of the season.

Two more bigish announcements:

Stargate Atlantis will be starting in the Fall and not the Summer as Stargate has for the last decade. Filming starts in March, which means I'm betting we won't have anywhere near the kind of break we had to endure this year, and we'll get it around the time of the SG1 movies.

This was in a press release from the Sci-Fi Network:

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promises to up the ante this season by introducing a powerful new race, welcoming new cast members and mourning the loss of some beloved friends

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People complained that [in the past] there were a lot of McKay-centered stories. This year, when we went into Season 4 planning, we wanted to have a story for each character, something that explores their backstory and personality, with things that had not been revealed in previous episodes. We’re also doing a little more in terms of setting up extended, season-long arcs

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On the new race in Season 4: “I want to keep it somewhat vague, but they are a race of beings that are atypical of the Pegasus galaxy. They’re a type of people we’ve encountered before in ‘SG-1,’ but we’ve yet to encounter [this type of race] in the ‘Atlantis’ universe.”

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People complained that [in the past] there were a lot of McKay-centered stories.

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People actually complained about that?!? McKay is the reason to watch Atlantis. The more McKay, the better.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Exactly!!!
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
From what I've read, some SG bloggers are saying we'll have to see a new batch of Rodney episodes with Colonel Carter joining Atlantis. I've also seen some guesses that a romance will blossom between the two of them, like we've seen in alternate realities.

Frankly I don't get as much out of the interactions between Rodney and Carter as apparently others do. I like Rodney's reactions and banter with the Atlantis crew, especially recently when they've toyed with him but made it clear that he's actually part of the team, and that they are all friends. Especially with the Rodney building episodes like "The Tao of Rodney" and "Dr. McKay and Mrs. Miller," (which is by far one of my favorites), he's become a much more team oriented player, despite the gruffness of his attitude, he's much different than he was in Season One.

I hope we see just as much Rodney as before, but I wouldn't mind seeing some building episodes for other characters. I thought Ronan's "Sateda" was a fantastically dark, grity episode. And I'd like to see more exploration on him and on the other characters as well.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
I wouldn't mind a few more Sheppard episodes...
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Frankly I don't get as much out of the interactions between Rodney and Carter as apparently others do.

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Ditto. They're not nearly as much fun to watch sparring as Rodney and Zalenka are. And while I secretly adore Sam/Jack shippy eps, I really see her with someone like Pete. (I still can't believe she broke things off with him.)
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
I love the McKay/Carter interactions. They're my favorite part. I don't, however, want to see them get together. That would ruin everything. And Lyrhawn, that was one alternate reality.

I really don't get the Sheppard-love. He's pretty much a non-entity to me. Just a filler.

rivka - There's a snippet of the next Assistant up.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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I really don't get the Sheppard-love. He's pretty much a non-entity to me. Just a filler.

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rivka - There's a snippet of the next Assistant up.

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YES! Thankyou, thankyou!






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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
Mike Branton?

Anyway, as far as gorgeous, intelligent, and amusing go, I'll take Lorne over Sheppard every day of the week.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Dr. Weir's bearded admirer.

Lorne is cute. But he's too smooth.
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
Ah. I still prefer Lorne.

Smooth? As in he doesn't have a beard?
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
LOL! That too. But I meant personality-wise.
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
That's just bc we haven't seen enough of him to know all his flaws.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I don't think so, but maybe.
 

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Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
 
I agree with Rivka on Sheppard. Nice to look at, good sense of humor, smart and not afraid to show it on occasion (I love the part at the beginning of Season 1 where he says that six symbols mean 120 possible combinations and McKay says something along the lines of "I knew that, but I didn't expect you to know." And him telling McKay he passed the Mensa test. Priceless!). I was worried at first that he'd just be an O'Neill clone (not literally, though I hope they do bring the clone back sometime--I want to know what happened to him!), which would be too cliche.

I like McKay episodes. I think he's an interesting character. He seems a lot more flawed than many other Stargate characters and it's nice because it gives him room for growth. I also find it interesting that he's an outspoken naturalist, something you don't see too often on TV. It's funny...I wasn't pleased when I found out he was going to be the chief scientist on Atlantis, but they did change his character just enough that he's more endearing than obnoxious.

I'm glad that Carter's going to be on Atlantis. She's one of my favorite characters. I'd vote for Daniel, too, if only because it makes sense for him to be there if SG-1 is breaking up. I do not want Carter to get together with McKay. That would completely spoil all the hilarious interactions between them, and I really don't think they would make a good couple.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Is anyone else annoyed by Daniel's continual mispronunciation of "Myrddyn"? He's supposed to be all language-y but he says it with a "d".
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
How is it supposed to be pronounced?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
How is it supposed to be pronounced?
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Aren't two D's supposed to be "th" or something?
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
Jinx.
 

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Jinx.

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Actually, the double "D" should be a guttural "L." Kind of like "HWL", but more from the back of your throat, with the "HW" part as kind of "air", or "wind."

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I'm trying, but I don't quite understand your description.

Still, if Daniel pronounced it w/an 'L' sound, then we wouldn't get all the

"Myrddin!"
"Who?Wha?"
"You know, King Arthur and the knights of the round table - Merlin!"

moments. And it wouldn't be Stargate w/out them.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I suppose.

Lyr, can you give me some texts? I'm not finding much "Merdinus" stuff.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I think, upon reflection, what bugs me most is when he says that TO MERLIN'S FACE. Okay, so either call him Merlin, Myrddyn, or whatever his name is in Ancient. Not some weird bastardization.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I'm off to work right now, but I can look later.

If you want somewhere to start, look for Gastin Paris and Geoffrey of...somewhere, Monmoth? Geoffrey used Merlinus when writing the Britainae Historia Regium, but I think it was Gaston who suggested he changed it from Merdinus.

I'm going by memory from a class I took last year, so I might be off a bit on some of the names above.
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
Wow. You guys know a lot about this stuff.

Happy hunting.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I've been thinking about the "dd" thing. If you can't pronounce the sound the way it is supposed to be, the closest approximation, and what English-speakers usually use, is "th". I think that's why it bothers me so much. He could say "Merthin" and still get the jokes about "Merthin? Come on, Merlin!" going, as well as not bugging the heck out of me every time he talks to him and calls him "Merdin."
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
(Of course I just thought some more and realized that maybe they're working from Welsh and not from one of the older languages. In which case the "d" sound would make more sense.)
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
"Family Ties" was interesting, for being the last of the non-arc episodes. Fred Willard, as suspected, was pretty funny. Poor Teal'c, I saw it coming, but even then I still felt bad for the guy. And he looked so excited to be there.

The last two episodes of the season, as I said before, will now be arc stories. Next week we get our last taste of Ba'al, and I suspect we'll finally found out the results of Daniel's efforts in "The Shroud."
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Oh, I laughed at poor Teal'c's situation. "The Virginia Monologues," indeed.

I don't think I'm ready to say goodbye to Ba'al.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Well, it pretended to be an arc-episode. And at least this time there were only TWO warring pronunciations of Arkad's name.

Fred Willard was less amusing than usual. I wanted to see much less of him, and much more of Kim. But the Daniel-Vala bits were good.

Oh, and the first minute was absolutely awesome.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I too felt he was a lot less funny than I was expecting. I almost said so in my post, but felt a little funny saying a Stargate episode "wasn't funny enough."

I thought he said the "Virginia Dialogue" but either way I picked up on what it was supposed to be.

I too wanted to see more of Kim, it seemed like a bit of a lackluster way to tie up the Landry Family Squabbles story line. After the buildup and the muted answer, I feel a bit let down by that.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Just finished watching "Dominion."

I have to say, I know that isn't the end of Ba'al, because he's the villain in the second SG1 movie coming this fall, but dear God I wish it was. I've just zero interest in him anymore.

Somewhat bigger spoiler, though at this point, I can't imagine anyone is reading this not expecting spoilers.
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So as per usual, they wait until it's just too long to act, and the bad guy gets away. The didn't kill Adria when they had the chance, though Ba'al tried to do it for them. So instead she ascends. Two major plot holes in this episode. First of all, why didn't they have the anti-prior device in the medical bay? Second, why did they try that ridiculous surgery when they could have just used symbiote poison on her!? They had JUST seen it used, I mean get a clue!

So Adria is dead and ascended, and likely has taken up personal control of all Ori power. And yet still the Ancients refuse to do anything. If they end up dead, it'll be their own faults by far. Other than Morgan Le Fey, Oma and the guy who helped Dr. Weir in the Atlantis episode where she went back in time, I care very little about the Ancients anymore, and I think if they aren't willing to fight for themselves, they deserve whatever they get.

Next week is it. We see their lives play out over time, we see some romance, supposed to see a big, big fight scene where one of our battlecruisers gets severely maimed. And then it will end in a cliffhanger, to be resolved by Ark of Truth, which is basically Season 11 only one tenth the size.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
We've given up the spoiler tags, right? If not

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER !!!






Lyr was right, and more surprisingly, I not only bought it, I cheered. He was SO cruel (too cruel, actually, IMO). And she cried. REALLY cried.

Ok, so I'm easy. I don't care -- it was awesome. Especially the "I just want you to know--" "I know," bit later. The silhouette was perfect. *sniffle*



Overall, quite good. No actual cliffhanger, but I'm really okay with that. A lot of "for the fans" little moments (yay!), an answer to where the heck have the Asgard been (*sob*), and Mitchell got to bust up the joint again. (He really should look into anger management classes, mm?) Oh, and Sam with long hair again. Yay!
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
*disclaimer: I haven't read any of the most recent posts, to avoid spoilers (and won't, until I watch the finale).*

I don't want to watch the last episode. I'm putting it off. Once I watch it, it's over.

I considered a Stargate marathon, but I really don't have that kind of time (rough estimate: 154 hrs of SG1!). Or I could do just a S9/S10 marathon, to encompass the recent storylines.

I just don't want it to be over.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
I was watching it - and it disappeared! I'm missing the last eight minutes! AAHHHH!

Suck!
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
That's AWFUL!
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Thank Christ, I found it.

*goes off to watch the end*
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Oh, man, glad you found that. That would be el stinko.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Phew!
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
(The kids are finally both down at once, I think I'm going to watch it myself.)
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
So*...









*SOB!* It's over! The Asgard! Wait, the core stayed intact, right? I really really hope so, or else that would be extraordinarly unsatisfying. I was expecting the whole Daniel and Vala thing, but I kinda really liked it when he went off. It did feel a bit like a "Hire me on other shows!" spiel, though...

Yeah, I definitely shed a few tears during that episode.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I think the core stayed intact, but the whole we-can't-use-this-because-it-screams-find-me-find-me! is still a problem.

I really hated how nasty he was. I mean, I know that Daniel has evolved since S1. I even think it's a good thing, for the most part. But the version we got for most of S10, Angry!Daniel (with occasional spells of WhimsicallySilly!Daniel) just bugged me. *shrug* No more of him, anyway.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I'm through the first third. Did anyone get Star Trek vibes before they hit the


time dilation field?
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I'm gonna have to agree with Rivka on the Daniel thing. She told him she didn't want to hear it, and then he stood there and shouted really mean, hurtful (even if true) things at her back while she was pretty obviously upset and hurt. And then he pretended he hadn't thought it was really going to hurt her.

You don't say that kind of thing without WANTING to hurt someone, on some level (even for their own good.) At least not the way he was saying it.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Okay, finally got to see the last 10 minutes.

As much as I wasn't thrilled with EVERY SINGLE PART of the episode, and as much as I think they jumped higher than they often do on this one, I loved the last scene. Loved it.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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And then he pretended he hadn't thought it was really going to hurt her.

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Actually, I don't think he was exactly pretending. But I don't care for Lunkhead!Daniel anymore than I care for Lunkhead!Clark.

Then again, if they were trying to make sure I miss Daniel a little bit less . . .
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
First off, this will be my first post-SG1 news report. It brings me great sadness to say that, as I love the show so very much, but it is what it is, and I think the sendoff was marvelous.

Stargate SG1 Movie news: Spoiler alert for this one: details have been releasead on the plot of the Ark of Truth, the first direct to DVD movie. It will take place some time in the future, uses the storyline originally meant for Season 11, but in a much abbreviated form. Tomin, Vala's husband defects from the Ori to earth. Apparently they have been searching for the Ark for some time now but could not find it. Tomin tells him about a ship over Dakara that has some meaning, and they kill the prior, but another ship is on the way so they can't take it with them, and can't destroy it without killing everyone aboard.

They return to Earth with Tomin, who is questioned hard by an IOA representative (Not Woosley, he's apparently occupied). They blame Mitchell for not destroying the ship, and Tomin informs them that a new fleet of Ori ships is coming to destroy Earth. Vala gets very pissy about how Tomin is treated at the hands of the IOA rep. That's all the details for now, but I'm sure more are to follow.

Details for the SGA episode Travelers: A group of space faring nomads kidnaps Sheppard after finding out that his ATA gene controls Lantean technology. They've found an Ancient battleship, which apparently dot the Pegasus galaxy like spots on a dalmatian, similar to the Aurora Class, and are using him as an interface to control it.

Michael Shanks news: Shanks has been confirmed for a recurring role on the tv show "24" which is sure to get him some major exposure. His exact role is unknown, but if I have to guess, I'd say he's going to play a suit from Division that comes in to take over and ruin the work that the people who actually know what they are doing...are doing.

Stargate: Continuum News: This is the second direct DVD movie. The news is that they are currently headed up to Alaska to do some arctic shots, and that a US Navy submarine is going to be taking part in the action.

For anyone who reads them, there's a few new SG books, for both Atlantis and SG1 coming out in the near future. No further news yet on the untitled third series, but I think we'll hear details on it in the next two months, as production wraps for the DVD movies, and Mallozzi and the others get serious on it. They're already working out plots and such, and I think we'll start to hear word on who is being cast and what the plot is like by May. Expect a report.

That's all the news!
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Darn, I thought Tomin was dead.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I wanted to do a separate post on what I thought of the finale.

It was a mixture of emotions. It took 10 years but we FINALLY GOT PHASERS!!!! WOOHOO!!! When I heard that, and then actually saw them mow down that Ori ship I damn near dropped my laptop I was so excited! It was friggin' awesome! It's sad that the Asgard died, and so abruptly, and literally killed their entire planet to stop others from getting their technology. It's an incredible gift and responsibility for humanity to be the Stewards of the Asgard race. I'll miss them, and I imagine I felt a bit like Carter in how sad their demise is. But on the other hand, we got all their stuff! All the stuff they refused to give us for a decade, and suddenly it's like an Asgard bazaar. It's bittersweet. And wow, they REALLY made some kickass improvements in their weapons from a year ago. A year ago they had those pansy disruptos, now they have superphasers that fire multiple times and cut open Ori ships. That's some serious work for a year.

I have to wonder what happened to all their ships. Did they self destruct them all? Why not pass them over to us? I suppose that can be a plot line for a later episode or something.

The core didn't appear to be destroyed, so the knowledge of the Asgard is in tact. I think they just have to keep it offline, which is fine. They can study the hell out of it, upgrade all the ships, then turn them all on at once and mow down the Ori fleet. It's just so sad the way we had to get that knowledge, and how horribly ABRUPT it was. Talk about your deux es machina, I mean jeez. While I don't think we'll see it much until Ark of Truth comes out, this should have HUGE, H U G E consequences for the Stargate Atlantis crew. We should be able to totally beat the crap out of Wraith ships now. We were virtually one on one with them using nukes, now we totally have the upperhand. It changes everything.

On to the non-plot, character stuff. Daniel was insanely hard on Vala, but I understand his thought process. He thought she was just jerking him around, and he was so callous because he really, REALLY does care for her, and he likes her, and thinking all this time that she was just screwing with him hurt him, and he wasn't ready to be hurt again. What he said, he didn't believe to be callous, because he considered himself to be Vala's victim, and the moment he learned he was horribly mistaken, he decided to go for it. To be honest, I like them together. I guessed they were the pair getting together, mostly because it made the most sense, but also because I love their chemistry, and I'd be thrilled to see them star in the third series.

Seeing Mitchell crack wasn't really a surprise. He's the kind of person that needs to be DOING something. Sam had her research, even Daniel studied while farmer Landry tended to his chlorophriends. I loved seeing them all laughing together and enjoying just the company of their friendships. It was sad, after 50 years to see them dour and defeated, but they endured, as friends, in incredible circumstances. I wonder if that was really Amanda Tapping playing the cello. I doubt it, as they never showed her face, but on the other hand, why would they both adding the scene in if they had to fake it?

I think this was a good sendoff for the show, and I just can't believe it's really over. Given this development, Season 11 would have been so cool! We'll just have to take out all our SG1 love on Atlantis, and buy the crap out of the DVDs to ensure more Daniel.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 

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And then he pretended he hadn't thought it was really going to hurt her.

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Actually, I don't think he was exactly pretending. But I don't care for Lunkhead!Daniel anymore than I care for Lunkhead!Clark.

Then again, if they were trying to make sure I miss Daniel a little bit less . . .

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What he said, he didn't believe to be callous, because he considered himself to be Vala's victim, and the moment he learned he was horribly mistaken, he decided to go for it.

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Typical. Soooo typical. Men.

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clorophriends

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Awesomest. Made-up word. Ever.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Typical. Soooo typical. Men.

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True. Made my point for me, though. The one I was going to make in response to your post one up.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Oh come on, it IS Vala. The woman is so full of sexual double entendre and double crossing, he's not sure what to believe. And he still misses his wife. He didn't seriously believe that she had feelings for him. But he did care for her. I think he was callous as a defensive measure, because he didn't want to let himself believe what she was saying, as it was too big a risk for him.

But seeing her obvious emotion, he knew that he was horribly wrong, and thus he could induldge in his feelings, and with her having already thrown the door open, he stepped through.

Certainly wasn't the best way he could have handled himself, and I thought it was rather excessive on the Vala bashing, but given her prior behavior, I can excuse his conclusions, though not his behavior.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 

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Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
Oh come on, it IS Vala. The woman is so full of sexual double entendre and double crossing, he's not sure what to believe. And he still misses his wife. He didn't seriously believe that she had feelings for him. But he did care for her. I think he was callous as a defensive measure, because he didn't want to let himself believe what she was saying, as it was too big a risk for him.

But seeing her obvious emotion, he knew that he was horribly wrong, and thus he could induldge in his feelings, and with her having already thrown the door open, he stepped through.

Certainly wasn't the best way he could have handled himself, and I thought it was rather excessive on the Vala bashing, but given her prior behavior, I can excuse his conclusions, though not his behavior.

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• Shar'ae - His wife
• Chick he hooked up with in the Broca Divide when he was a caveman
• Hathor, when she had him under her control via pheremones
• Shyla, chick he got with initially to get his team mates out of a naquadah mine but eventually became attached to because of the sarcophagus in "Need." After the link was broke, so too was the relationship
• Ke'ra, ended up being Linea, the evil "Destroyer of Worlds" chick who he sort of developed feelings for, but after he found out who it was, any and all romance evaporated between them. In the end he ended up leaving her with no memories of him.
• Sarah Gardner, okay, this is the only real argument I see for a romantic entanglement. But before they had a chance to get ANY sort of relationship going, she was taken for a host, and after she was freed they never spoke again. Again, nothing more than a crush that went nowhere.
• Reese, some might call that a romantic relationship, but quite frankly it always had more of a father daughter tilt to me.
• Leda, woman he spends a lot of time with on a planet when he's left there for months. But she has a husband, and though she develops feelings for him, nothing actually comes of it.
• Vala in Prometheus Unbound, assuming they did have sex, I don't think it was consensual.
• Adria, obviously not a relationship, even if they got together. He used her.

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Thanks riv. I like the allusion they made to having to wait a year to see the hits that missed during the staff fights.

I hope that means we'll get to see some outtakes in the DVD where Teal'c and Mitchell are really beating up on each other.

I find myself really lookin forward to the movies next September, and for the next season of Atlantis. What I really want is a huge battle of Daedelus ships with the Asgard weapons blowing the crap out of some Wraith Hive Ships, but we'll see. I can't imagine they will let the legacy of the Asgard die on the Odyssey.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I just rewatched Unending, and I have one question.

What the heck is the deal with the little tiara Valla's wearing in the final scene?
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Tiara? *goes to look*
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Dangit.

*has to find it somewhere else*
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I don't want to post a link here, but the aforementioned piggymoo has had their link yanked, but you can find it by searching the OTHER site that was mentioned on Hatrack for viewing television shows. It's still there, and was just added.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Yeah, that's on my bookmarks too. First link I tried was broken. Second works and even has captions-- suh-weet! (I prefer to watch everything with captions.) But this one, you can't fast forward very efficiently. So it will be a while till I get back to you on "tiara thing."
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
And it keeps freezing when I get to a certain point.

I'll try tomorrow morning. If it's still up.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Yeah the captions annoyed me a bit, they weren't even right! And it kept stopping for me when Carter was talking about .86 seconds.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Well, I didn't get to the point where the captions were wrong. And I'm used to much wrong-er captions on some things, anyway, so it probably wouldn't bother me (as I said, I like captions. I can watch things while Ems is asleep with the sound down to 1 or 2 and keep it that way a little longer.)
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Well that's helpful

I used to watch tv shows all the time with the French language option turned on, and the English subtitles (or vice versa) when I was studying for French classes.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
It is helpful. I can also watch things with words like "stupid" and "dork" that I don't want her picking up.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
What's wrong with dork? I mean, you watch Stargate. You ARE a dork.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Yes, but not-yet-three-year-olds are not known for their discernment of when usage of certain words is appropriate.

We've already gone through a phase where she called everyone "jerk" for a week. And when she really wants to be rebellious she looks at me, looks studiously away, and then mutters, "Stupid." under her breath.

So we're trying to curb her exposure to even the words that have legitimate usages if we don't want her repeating them.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Oh I was just kidding.

I can only imagine if I had a kid and he/she called me stupid what my reaction would be. Or how embarassed I'd be if he/she said it to a strange or another adult in my company.

You're a good mom.

I've actually been having strange dreams lately where I have a daughter and I'm married. Every time I have the dream, I'm fiercely protective of the kid and overjoyed whenever I'm holding her, and then I wake up with a "What the hell was that?" feeling. On the surface it would look like I want a kid, and when I'm older and married, I really do look forward to being a dad, but certainly not now. Anyway.... [/random musing]
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Awwwww.

Maybe your biological clock is starting to tick. Go call a girl and ask her on a date, you!
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Eek! Men aren't supposed to have biological clocks. It's one of the benefits I was told about when I was given my Man Card upon hitting puberty.

I remember it clearly, they said "No biological clock, no periods, no worrying about your makeup, you're all set! You just have to put up with women complaining all the time about you not taking out the garbage, but we invented baseball for that, which lasts forever. Enjoy life!"

Still. In all honesty, I'm starting to like the dream. If I could stop being so picky about the type of girl I want, I could probably have that dream made into a reality sooner rather than later. But where are all the smart, bookish, at least semi-attractive, geeky early 20 something girls of the world?
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
That's so sweet. I know some nice girls if you want their e-mails...
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Heh. If I lived in Cali, I might take you up on that. If ever there were three words of the English language that could best be described as sorrow, they are "long distance relationship." I've found at least one girl who is everything I want and more, but she's too far away.

On the bright side, I'm only 22, and my whole life is ahead of me. And I expect those geeky girls I'm attracted to, who are avoiding the bar scene right now (as am I), will be flocking to Match.com and similar sites in the next couple years, at which point I'll be on the electronic prowl.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
*dated a guy who lived halfway across the country and married him at 20*
 

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Hi there
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Get a thread, kids.
 

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Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
Question about SG1:

So, I'm in season 9 now.

Does anybody know why Anderson left the show when he did? If they were going to get rid of him, why not do it at the end of season 7?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
They didn't do it to get rid of him. He wanted to spend more time with his daughter who was back in LA, and the show films in Vancouver, which cuts down on father daughter time. Besides, had they done that, we wouldn't have gotten season 8, which would have been a travesty. They didn't want him to leave at all, but he said it was time to go, so off he went.

His guest appearances in 9, 10 and maybe the movies are all done, seriously, with the permission of his daughter. He only agreed to do guest appearances after she gave her okay (and apparently even forcefully told him to go do it, as she loves the show).
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
And FYI, he is almost never referred to as Anderson. It's Dean Anderson (I don't know why), or RDA.

It actually took me a minute to figure out who you meant.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Hello yourself.

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I call him "Rick." You know, when I hang out with him and stuff.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
He let's ME call him Macgyver when we're hanging out.

Guess he just likes me better.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Yes, well, my buddy Rick is going to be in "Continuum."

And he likes me best - he told me so.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
He answers to "love slave"...

Oh, wait, that's not real.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
What are you kids drinking/smoking?

And can I have some?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Update to confirm:

RDA WILL be in the second direct DVD movie Continuum. He's going with a small crew to film at an ice station in the Arctic next week.

The crew is making a big to do about the fact that this is apparently the biggest such production in the Arctic, and with the full cooperation of the US Navy, who among the other branches of the US Armed Forces, Stargate has always had a great relationship with, they're all excited to be able to use the USS Alexandria, a real life nuclear submarine in active service. Apparently our nuclear sub fleet doesn't have anything better to do
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
I watched the finale...kind of disappointing. Nothing happened! I know that the movies are supposed to wrap up the storylines, but still. It was fun, though. And not nearly so cringe-worthy as Moebius (despite its disturbing similarity).

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At the end, when Vala tried questioning Teal'c about who she 'hooked up' with, she asks if it was Teal'c, then Mitchell, then Landry...I really wanted her to list Carter, too.

Also, when they were in the time bubble, trying to figure out how to escape the blast, why not just use the sublight engines to move out of the way.
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Knowing Jack is coming back makes me happy.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 

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Too slow-- the eventual solution involved a fix to let them do that, I think.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
The problem was coming up with a way to immediately jump to hyperspace AND take the Asgard core offline at the same time, otherwise they were going to be dead the next time they came out of hyperspace anyway.

edited to add:

I've spent some time reading back entries of Joseph Mallozzi's blog. There's a lot of answers and not answers in there for the SG1 movies and for the next season of Atlantis. He makes Atlantis S4 sound VERY exciting, so I'm actually looking forward to it a bit more than I was before.

Also listed was a potential fun story for Firefly fans. They started doing table reads for Atlantis at the request of the actors, which they've never done before. Mallozzi said that partway through one of them, David Hewlett (McKay) said to Jewel Staite (New Doctor) "You're not a real doctor." to which she replied "I'm a mechanic, not a doctor."

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
<---Not a guy.

Just think it would have been a good laugh. We are talking about Vala.

I still don't understand the rationale. If the entire ship is in the time bubble (and the time bubble is based on the ship), they would have had all the time in the world to move the ship a few hundred yards while the rest of the universe is still essentially frozen.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I didn't say you were a guy-- just acting like one!

(My husband said the same. Exact. Thing.)
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
bu bu bu bu...... *cries* I keep rewatching that scene, the Asgard dying is probly one of the most tragic experiances yet the episode in all ways possible is awesome, and I don think we could have a better season finale.

Any news on the next spinoff? Like maybe its name?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
SPOILER FOR ANYONE WHO HASN'T SEEN "SUNDAY"

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Thursday in Vancouver there will be a peaceful protest, including a pipe band to bring attention to the travesty of Paul McGillion's character Caron Beckett being killed off Stargate Atlantis.

No idea how big it will be, but if anyone wants more information, though I don't think any of you live in Vancouver, I can give you more details.

END "SUNDAY" SPOILERS

A lot of the chatter I'm seing about the future of Atlantis seems to be to get away from the ships that were used apparently too much in SG1. The producers and directors don't so much like the ships or beaming technology, and while they won't disappear entirely, they want them downplayed, so we'll see less of them this year.

But a few quick things for those who like the ships, and who like the Asgard weapons on Odyssey:

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Thor94 writes: “ 1)You say that in first movie, SG1 will go in ori's galaxy. Will we see space-battle with earth ship(oddyssey,F302) and ori mothership and especially ori-hunter?
2)Will we see the asgard weapons acquired in "Unending" in SGA season4 to fight the wraith. 3) Will we find real ally with advanced technology (…) beause there are ever 3 season and all people with advanced science was enemy(assurans,wraith,olesian) or destructed(ancient,people of "the ark")?”

Answers: 1) Now that you mention it, you may see a space battle or two. 2) Wait and see. 3) Yup. Check out Travelers.

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Ah!!! I knew I had seen a shot of SOMEONE on SG playing a cello, and now I remember it was him. Thanks!
 

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Posted by orlox (Member # 2392) on :
 
I live in vancouver. In fact, I am friends with a cameraman on SG1. Not much of a fan though so I never think to ask him juicy questions.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
What is he going to do now that SG1 is cancelled? Work on the movies or go over to Atlantis? Or work on the new series?
 

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Posted by orlox (Member # 2392) on :
 
The movies from what I understand.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Okay guys, TONS of news for you all.

Let's start with SG1 Movie News:

Amanda Tapping has written in her blog that she's filmed her first episode of Atlantis and is loving it. She also reports that as of Thursday she is in the Arctic shooting for Continuum. The temperature there Wednesday was -83 with the wind chill, and they are on constant polar bear and frost bite alert. Our actors seem to be working hard for us Filming on Ark of Truth is already complete.

The Save Carson Beckett campaign in Vancouver apparently garnered a LOT of press. Jason Mamoa, Rachel Luttrel and David Hewlett (Ronon, Teyla and Rodney) all came out to support the effort and shake hands with the hundred plus fans that showed up in the pouring rain to support it. Martin Gero, producer of the show came out to interview fans for a DVD featurette, and the every noisy Joseph Mallozzi came out too. He promise organizers that if they manage to get the press to a major US news outlet, such as Entertainment Tonight or Access Hollywood, that he would write Carson back into two episodes on the back half of Season Four. The even was covered thoroughly by Vancouver media, as well as the CBC and other major Canadian news outlets. I'd be surprised if it worked, but I have to give a lot of credit to the fans for trying, the actors for supporting, and Atlantis production staff for actually offering to bend to their efforts. It's a great collaboration.

The 10th annual Stargate Convention circuit started this weekend in Vancouver. A number of past and present actors were presnt to talk about the show and thensome. If you can't make it to Vancouver, there are other SG events planned throughout the summer and fall in Chicago, Illinois (August 24-26), Secaucus, New Jersey (November 2-4), and Burbank, California (November 16-18). Michael Shanks will be headlining every show, and a smattering of other actors and staff will be at each event. If you want more info (I know KQ at least is in SoCal) I can direct you where to go as it becomes available.

Let's see, that leaves a little bit of SG: Atlantis news. The role of Larrin, the female leader of the space nomads in "Travelers" (a fourth season episode) has yet to be cast, but Gina Torres of Firefly is under consideration for the role. She's pregnant, and with a nice movie career on the rise, she may not be available, but her name is being tossed about. She would be, I believe, the fourth Firefly character after Adam Baldwin, Morena Baccarin and Jewel Staite to have a role on the show. Here is some production art, I think from "Travelers." That ship might be the ones the space nomads are supposed to be using. Supposedly during this season we may see Mrs. Miller (Kate Hewlett) again, and Major Lorne is supposed to get a much meatier role than he has in the past.

And finally, I saved perhaps the best for last, I have some news on the third SG series. The news is cryptic but informative. The working title of the show is Stargate Universe, and currently exists as a one page summary of major characters and plot. It was originally convceived (much like Atlantis was) of as a stand alone movie, but instead they gave it some legs and are going to make it into a show. Rather than summarize the great news, I'll give you the bulk of the story.

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The new series has been conceived to be "a completely separate, third entity," Cooper said in an interview -- "much more so than Atlantis was. Atlantis was much more of a spin-off seires of SG-1 and was sort of born out of SG-1."

"We were thinking, 'How do we create a third arm to the franchise that is very connective and that fans will feel is born out of the material that has come before, but at the same time is very much something that stands alone?'

"I'm not a big fan of prequels," he said. "I don't think that really works, and I don't really understand people who do think that works. One of the things that we love about Stargate is that is us -- it's our military, it's our scientists, it's our people -- and we're going out into the galaxy and the universe to discover all the wonders that are out there, and dealing with our own limitations versus things that are far more advanced than us.

"That's identifiable. It's what we deal with every day, in terms of medicine and science and astrophysics. We're just babies in all that. And we would always want to maintain that in anything that is Stargate-related."

In spite of being quite distinct in identity from SG-1 and Atlantis, the new series will be unmistakably Stargate. "It certainly plays into the mythology that has been pre-established," Cooper said. "But it doesn't directly relate to anything that has been in either series."

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They expect to seriously get into work on it when the movies are finished with in June. If shooting were to start in August or September on it, we could expect a premiere I think by the following June '08. From what they said at first, I was worried that Stargate Universe would take place somewhere other than SG Command, something akin to making the next Star Trek show about the Klingons, but they also said it will be rooted in what we know, and then listed the SGC and Earth as something we know, so I think that precludes it being a ship based show.

I eagerly await more information. I think it won't be a lost in space type thing like Atlantis is, but at the same time it won't be just another team based thing like SG1 was. We don't have much to go on yet, but it's still exciting to know that it will take place in the same era and with familiar sights and sounds. Thankfully it will be neither a prequel or sequel series, but will take place concurrently.

Edit to add: Michael Shanks will be playing the role of Michael Bishop in an upcoming arc on "24." I know I mentioned it before, but now I have the character name.

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I am seeing a Stargate get-together with at least us and Rivka (do we have other Stargate fans in L.A.? Or maybe San Diego?) Anyone in?

The third series stuff is intriguing, to say the least.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I would love to get to the Sunday of the Burbank con. (And Lyr, I have been in SoCal considerably longer than kq!!!) I see no obvious conflicts on my calendar, but it's hard to predict this far out.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
More info on the Burbank convention: It will be headlined by Michael Shanks, and at the very least, guest star Cliff Simon (Baal) will be there as well. No word yet on who else, if anyone, will be there. You have to buy tickets beforehand, I don't know yet how much they are. All the stars will answer questions during their on stage time, and will be available to sign autographs. It will be held at the Burbank Airport Marriot Hotel.

Let me know for sure ahead of time if you go KQ, I'll buy one of those SG1 patches ahead of time while they are on sale and send it to you to get autographed!

Apparently there's also a LOTR Convention in 2008 in Burbank. That's far enough in advance and depending on what is there, might be cool enough for me to fly out for a weekend maybe if I could get a good ticket deal and a couch to crash on.

Anyway, I apparently posted too soon with my update on the third season because my sources have already turned up more news!

The third series will deal with the Ninth Chevron. Now you may be asking "what ninth chevron?" Which is exactly what I asked too. We saw the eighth chevron introduced in the Fifth Race, briefly, and then again when Atlantis was found to be in the Pegasus. And frankly, I never actually looked at the gate while these things are going on, but, there ARE nine chevrons on the gate, the bottom two are just usually embedded in rock or whatever platform is holding the gate up. You can tell if you look here and here and much more clearly in this diagram.

Now I never even knew that a chevron officially lit up on the gate itself whenever the eigth chevron was used, either it was never visible, or I never looked, but this ninth chevron will play a major role in the third series. This information was revealed on the first day of the convention in Vancouver in response to a fan question. Apparently there's been fan speculation on what the ninth chevron does for years now, and why the Ancients would build it with no real purpose. I guess I don't read enough SG forums. The first and most obvious calculation is that it will be a time coordinate, so people can literally travel anywhere in space and time in the Gate Network. I don't know how I'd feel about a show based on time travel. But they also confirmed that the show is set for an early 2008 release. The movies are the only thing holding it up, and once those are done they will turn all focus to the new show.

MGM is currently putting financing together for the show, and it is considered to be in "very active development" which makes it look like a series reality, so long as Sci-Fi actually orders the episodes.

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Whatever form the series takes, viewers can definitely expect the same familiar from that has made the franchise a 10-year-old success. "There will be a Stargate, and a team on adventures," Cooper said. "I can tell you what it won't be, which is it really won't be as much of a spin-off of SG-1 as Atlantis was. And it won't be a spin-off of Atlantis. It's going to be a third arm of the franchise that will really stand alone and I think be an entirely new flavor from what we've done before."

Just what the Stargate's ninth chevron does and how it might relate to working title Stargate Universe (story) fans can only speculate.

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So that settles some of it then, it will be based around a stargate and a team, in the same flavor of the other shows, but will deal probably with none of their enemies, characters, or basis. I like this, and the ninth chevron is a brilliant way to utilize what before was an inert plot device and make it the basis for a new show. Now I hope they don't muck it up by making it goofy.

riv - Sorry, I guess I must like KQ more. Can ya blame me?
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Burbank Airport Marriott Hotel

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I was there for a seminar just the other week.

Parking is expensive.

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 

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Sorry, I guess I must like KQ more. Can ya blame me?

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Little more news, but nothing big.

First of all, Ben Browder let his hair grow long into what I'd call the Tom Cruise hair cut.

Joe Mallozzi has said that it's possible, maybe even likely that SG1 and Atlantis characters could guest star on the new third show.

Atlantis is supposed to be much, much darker this season. Specifically, several characters are going over to the "dark side," whatever that means. We're going to have at least one Ronon centered episode where we learn more about his history, and more about Sheppard's history as well. Mallozzi also made a reference, when someone asked about having a pet on Atlantis as like a show mascot, to maybe having a Furling. Foreshadowing or joking? Impossible to know. There's also plans to try and get Goran Visnjic (Dr. Kovatch on er) for an episode of Atlantis this season. They tried to get him for SG1 but schedules never matched up right.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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OY! Dark seems to mean ooky gooey oozy stuff, and I'm incredibly tired of that.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Define "ooky gooey oozy stuff."
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 

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Force choking?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Juding from the abilities of Lanteans, that's not necessarily out of the question, but I think they mean it in a more figurative sense.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Dripping ooze. Things bursting out of walls. Anything reminiscent of Alien, Aliens, et al.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I don't think that's the direction they're hinting at. I think we're going to see a lot more questionable decisions made by the Atlantis crew, and a lot of borderline grey area choices made.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
*waits patiently*
























Are we there yet?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Okay, just a little news tidbit.

It's been confirmed that Colonel Carter (a full bird colonel now, she's getting a promotion) will be in charge of Atlantis for sure. She'll be replacing Weir, though Weir will still be around here and there. Producer Robert Cooper more or less told fans of Tori Higginson to get over it, it's a done deal, and it's a change that had to be made. Frankly, I've been over Weir since the second season. I liked some of her interactions with Sheppard, and I liked the run ins she had with the military leadership, but I think her character has plateaued, and I'm glad to see a familiar face as well as a change of pace. It'll be a new dynamic for Carter.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Yeah, agreed. I liked Weir, but it was time for a change. And I have wanted to see Carter run things for a long time.

Hey, does this mean that they can get Weir and that yummy scientist guy together?
 

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Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
 
Woohoo! I love Carter! I was mad that Mitchell got command of SG-1 instead of her. Now she gets to run a whole city! And they'll pretty much have to make her a regular on Atlantis if she's running the place.

Maybe they'll put Daniel on Atlantis, too. Goodness knows with all the Ancient stuff around, it makes a whole lot of sense for him to be there. I suppose it might be fun to contrive a reason for Jack and Teal'c to be there, too, but I guess it wouldn't be fair to turn Atlantis completely into SG-1.

Go Carter!
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I have a feeling you won't be seeing much of Weir. They still haven't scheduled or cast the back half of the season yet (not entirely anyway), and as of this moment in time, she is only contracted for four episodes, and at least one of those has to be the Season 4 opener. Tapping's episode number is fixed already, and you'll be seeing plenty of her, something like every other episode on average.

There are currently no plans to bring Daniel to Atlantis, though I wouldn't be surprised to see him there at some point, or to see him in the new SG series, despite it not being a "spin-off."

Teal'c it has been confirmed will be in a single episode next season, and Tapping will be in the same episode. I know of no confirmed plans to get Jack into any Atlantis eps this season, but I believe he will be in one of the SG1 movies this fall. The second one I think, though I would have rather him be in the first.

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I just checked some of my sources, and many of you may be pleased to know that the "Save Carson Beckett" Campaign has garnered results. Paul McGillion has signed on for a two episode story arc in the back half of Season 4, with a possible third episode in the works. It won't be a dream sequence or hologram, it will actually be him. Carson is back! (at least temporarily).

Michael Shanks' role on "24" has apparently been trimmed from four episodes to two, possibly three at best due to editing and time contraints. Maybe you'll see him in the DVDs next year if you're a watcher of the show.

Little bit more casting news, someone from "LOST" will be on Atlantis in Season 4, but we don't know who yet.

There will almost definately be some follow up to "Common Ground" and "McKay and Mrs. Miller." I'm not sure whether or not that means Kate Hewlett will be coming back, as the producers might have meant the ZPM energy creation storyline is what will be tied up, but I'd like to see her return for sure. Sadly, with the mention of "Common Ground" I think that means we're going to get at least one more Genii story, and I can't tell you how utterly sick of those I am. Get over it! Or at least bring Colm Meany back! If I'm going to be forced to watch the deadest plot device in the series, I should at least get to watch it with Chief O'Brien.

As a teaser though, the ninth episode of the season is called "Miller's Crossing." Might that be a reference to Mrs. Miller? Don't know yet, but I'll try to find out.

That's all for now.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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It won't be a dream sequence or hologram, it will actually be him. Carson is back! (at least temporarily).

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I think that means we're going to get at least one more Genii story, and I can't tell you how utterly sick of those I am. Get over it! Or at least bring Colm Meany back! If I'm going to be forced to watch the deadest plot device in the series, I should at least get to watch it with Chief O'Brien.

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Hear, hear!
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
*does a little dance*

Happy newses.
 

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Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
 
I'm hoping that the follow-up to Common Ground will be about the Wraith part of the storyline. I found it fascinating, and I think that left a lot more loose ends than the Genii half of the story. I would love to see more about the Wraith that Sheppard met. I do not wish to see more of the Genii. Um, there was a Genii episode in the second half of the third season, which hasn't exactly aired yet in the U.S. Any chance that's the follow-up, or are we maybe getting another nifty look at the Wraith in season four?

I want to see Rodney's sister again! I hope that they are in fact bringing her back. I also am happy to hear that Carson will be back. I'll be interested to see how they pull that off.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Supposedly there is a hint as to how Carson will be brought back somewhere in the back half of Season Three. I wasn't really looking for it, so I don't know what it is.

I too hope that is the part of "Common Ground" they focus on, and considering there is supposed to be a LOT more focus on Wraith this year, that just might be. We're supposed to find out a lot on Wraith culture, including how Wraith babies are born (seriously).
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Raise of hands, who really wants to know that? *keeps hands down*

Toldja, ooky gooey oozy stuff! bleh.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I'm mildly interested. I have a feeling there's, like you say, ooky gooey egg sacks that burst open, much like what we saw in the episode where Michael's Iratus bug warrior things hatched from similar eggs. But wouldn't it be a surprise if they had live births and nice caring family structures?

I could go without though, and frankly I could go without the Wraith entirely. I just don't like them as bad guys. What I'd like is a more sympathetic, complicated bad guy for once. The go'auld were the very embodiment of evil. You didn't sympathize with them, there was no wriggle room, they were just plain EVIL.

The Wraith are just a tick more complex, in that what makes them evil is necessary for their survival, and some of them seem somewhat understandable, like Michael or the Wraith that Sheppard met in "Commong Ground." But by and large they are just a bunch of goons. Hell, 90% of them are played by just two actors! The Asurans are just Replicators 2.0, I'm sick of them too. Being led by Major Winchester is only a slight improvement, though frankly I think it would have been more entertaining if they were led by Jamie Farr or Alan Alda, so long as we're picking MASH alumni.

Even the Genii are stupid, petty, annoying bad guys. They're one dimensional. We're going to attack you because, well, we're Genii, and that's just what we do. We don't need reason, or cause, or anything resembling realistic hope of getting anything valuable out of the situation. They're bested EVERY time by Atlantis, usually in pretty dramatic fashion. They lose materiel, personnel, and usually their leaders whenever they try. The first time was stupid, they were going to get what they wanted anyway. Then Atlantis offers them a deal, which they take and they backstab on, even though the best thing for them was to work WITH Atlantis to begin with. I understand being angry for Atlantis waking up the Wraith all at once, but come on, is it really in your best interest to attack the ONE powerful ally you might have in the entire galaxy? It's not that their motives make no sense (because they don't, they border on insane on the rationality scale), it's that they are so STUPID. They're just not very good at what they do. Look at the Ori in SG1. Now they're again, evil just for the sake of being evil. There is some complexity however when you get into the lives of their followers. They believe Origin to a fault, but some of them question whether or not the death and destruction they are causing is really in keeping with the spirit of the teachings. They're fighting inner demons, of whether or not to follow, most notably the in the case of Vala's husband. It's not much, but THAT is the sort of complexity I would like in a Stargate villain.

Mr. Freeze to me is a good bad guy. He's bitter because of what happened to his wife, and the accident that caused his condition, but really he's in love, and he'll do anything to be reunited with her. Once he gets her back, he gives up crime, as mayhem was never really the reason why he committed crimes to begin with. In Batman Beyond, he helps Batman by fighting off the new Joker, and even forces Batman to leave in order to protect him. He's complex, you know his motives and his emotions are complex, and he's far from one dimensional.

Why can't we have a bad guy like that? Or like Thrawn? Thrawn was evil, but he was cool and calculating. He was intelligent, cold, meticulous. And with Palleon at his side, you got a lot of insight into his way of thinking, the particular lens through which he viewed the universe. But bad guys in Stargate rarely get that sort of treatment.

Much as I love Stargate, Atlantis has let me down there I think. I'm not as loyal to Atlantis as I am to SG1, mostly because I fell in love with SG1 before I started demanding more from my shows, but I would love Atlantis until the day I die if they'd just give me a formidable opponent. I want someone that they can't beat just because the Asgard gave them shiny new toys for their ships, or because the go'auld are stupid and leave the exhaust ports on their Death Stars unprotected everytime, or because the Ori have a magic ex deus machina to kill them all in one fell swoop.

Maybe the third show will answer my wished.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Yeah, those queens were so loving and maternal.

They're insectoid. Live births are unlikely, and caring family structures even more so.

I'm with you on the unidimensional evil guys. It's what made the Jaffa interesting -- they were not unidimensional. At least some of the time.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
The Jaffa were half and half. The Jaffa warriors they killed all the time were like Stormtroopers. They couldn't hit the broadside of a barn and they got mowed down like tall grass in the summer.

Individual Jaffa however, the ones who actually got names, actually had issues and a measure of complexity, some of the time. I'd like more of that plase.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Individual Jaffa however, the ones who actually got names, actually had issues and a measure of complexity, some of the time. I'd like more of that plase.

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I could go without though, and frankly I could go without the Wraith entirely. I just don't like them as bad guys.

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The Jaffa were half and half. The Jaffa warriors they killed all the time were like Stormtroopers. They couldn't hit the broadside of a barn and they got mowed down like tall grass in the summer.

Individual Jaffa however, the ones who actually got names, actually had issues and a measure of complexity, some of the time. I'd like more of that plase.

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Double A-men!
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
*eyes thread title change and waits*
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Okay, more news already. I'm checking my Stargate news sources more often these days cause I feel like news is popping up by the hour.

Season 10 DVDs will be released on July 24th. It's the fastest DVD release in Stargate history, considering the back half of the show won't even finish airing in the US until June. Also for the first time in SG DVDs there will be deleted scenes with commentary from producer Joseph Mallozzi. I really liked S10, had some really, really great episodes on it. MSRP is like $49.99, and they mentioned it will be a "box set." I wonder if that means no thin pak DVDs, but I doubt it, and I bet it debuts on Amazon for $39.99, maybe even $32.99. The dvds will be in widescreen and have 5.1 Dolby Digital surround sound. So high quality.

There will be a teaser trailer for SG: Continuum in the DVDs.

We're going to see Asuran warships in S4. I don't know if I mentioned that before or not, so I guess we didn't get them all in "First Strike." That could make for some really sweet space battles, the kind I haven't seen since Stark Trek DS9. We should have a half dozen ships by S4. I still want to know what happened to all those damned Asgard ships. It's been hinted at that someday we might find out, I think they are saving it for a later plot device. There must be some Asgard parking lot out there in deep space, Katana Fleet style (SW EU reference there, sorry).

Update: I checked out the Asgard thing, as I don't remember posting this before, but when asked "Where did all the Asgard ships go when the planet blew up?" Producer Joseph Mallozzi answered: "That remains to be seen." So pretty much they are saving that for a rainy day. I just hope they don't star finding random Asgard ships like they have been with Ancient ships. I think that would be stupid. The Asgard planned their deaths, there wouldn't be random ships wandering space.

Sorry it took me a bit to post after I changed the thread title, I try to change the title when I can to make it more relevant to whatever announcement I'm making. Anticipation just makes it more exciting.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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I bet it debuts on Amazon for $39.99, maybe even $32.99.

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The other seasons are currently selling for $35-36, so I'd guess this one will too.

*waits for Amazon to list it for pre-order*
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Amazon usually does what, two month advance pre-ordering on average? Look for it in mid to late May, I'll bet you see it.

You're probably right about the price. Usually on Amazon you can get a bit more of a deal when you pre-order, but you're right, probably around $35. If you average my two prices together, it equals yours.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Amazon usually does what, two month advance pre-ordering on average?

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Depends on the manufacturer. Pretty sure I pre-ordered S2 of Atlantis with lots more lead time than that. And I *know* the first season of Lois & Clark was a preorder months and months in advance.

HP7 was a preorder over a month ago.

[ April 12, 2007, 12:05 AM: Message edited by: rivka ]
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Good point. My pre-order experience is limited to Frasier and NCIS DVDs, yay for seasons 9 and 2 respectively!
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Little bit of news today.

First off, if anyway wants to, they can view a "blog" type entry from APLIS in the Arctic where SG1 is filming for Continuum here. All are made by the project manager for APLIS, but Amanda Tapping pops in for a quick word in one, and it sounds like she's having an amazing time. There's also some wintery pictures of Tapping and Ben Browder. Quick reads, and quite interesting.

Joe Mallozzi, producer for SG has said a great deal is riding on the ratings for the back half of season three. It is entirely possible, that should the back half of three get poor ratings, there will not be a season five greenlit by Sci-Fi. I think if that does happen, part of the problem is such a huge amount of time in between airings, which is stupid since they've had the episodes ready for weeks. Furthermore, everyone in the US with an internet connection, a brain, and a love of the show has already watched them via the various illegal streaming video platforms. Now we all have to watch again to support the show, but I guess there's an argument for how piracy hurts legitimate shows. I'm not a Nielson Family, so I don't know how my watching effects the show or not, but I plan to buy the DVDs, which is how I both support the show and get my fix. I'll watch the really good ones over again. I think it's sucky to base Season Five's greenlight on the back half of a disjointed Season Three. They should judge it by the first half of Season Four (and maybe not make the break so long).

Currently they aren't even planning on a Season Five, which I think is smart, planning too far ahead gets you the mashed together plot fix at the end of SG1 S10. And it looks like Paul McGillion will be in three episodes now, and not two. And there will be reprecussions from his time away and the circumstances of his return.

When asked if we'll see more depth to McKay in S4, Mallozzi had this to say: "Martin’s top secret script, Miller’s Crossing, offers a glimpse at a much more sympathetic, vulnerable McKay." I think that's a more pointed hint to his sister coming back for an episode. So that looks like good news to me. Maybe "Miller's Crossing" is what they are calling the energy bridge that her math proof allowed them to create? Just speculation at this point, but I can't imagine they would title the episode that way and NOT have it be about her.

Good news all around it seems, but I have to say that thing about S3 ratings being the determining factor in a S5 has me very, very nervous. I don't want to see the show cancelled, it's gotten so much better recently, and the rumors have me excited for this season. Plus I worry about what that might do for the third series in development.

I wonder how Stargate would do if they self released it and sold individual episodes on the internet for cheap, with just a few commercials, almost like a sponsorship, and then released the DVDs a bit cheaper at the end of the year for those who bought every episode. I wonder if it would be enough to pay for the show. Moot point anyway, it'd never happen. I fear for the future of television.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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And there will be reprecussions from his time away and the circumstances of his return.

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Something big is going to happen with the gate bridge between galaxies in Season 5. No news on what yet.

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Yes. It will be mine.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
You're taking over the bridge?

Are you going to charge some sort of toll?
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Will there be a bell involved?

Or a goat? No, wait, Lyr said toll.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I almost went for the troll joke, but this late at night couldn't think of anything more funny than a very dull snicker inducing snippet.

I had a turnpike joke I was going to make, but when I have to resort to highway humor, I know I've already failed.
 

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Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
 
Phooey! You tell me my favorite SG1 character will probably make the move to Atlantis and now you tell me I have to watch it in its still crappy form to get Carter? I'm not sure how I feel about that.

On the one hand, Carter is one of the most interesting powerful women on tv. Only BSG gives me as high a caliber of female characters. So keeping Sam on air would be a good thing.

On the other, I hate the characters on Atlantis. Taila and Ronan don't do anything. Ronan is a warrior who doesn't talk. Taila is an amazon and a healer beloved by her people. But that's all I get. I never connected with Weir, not sure why. I like Rodney (when he's not in anti-religious rant mode *eyeroll*) and Shepherd, but I don't feel they have anyone to balance them. I don't know if it's the actors, the characters, or the writing, but I never felt Atlantis had a balanced cast.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Ratings are in for the premieres of SG1 and Atlantis in the back half of both seasons.

SG1 and Atlantis did a respectable 1.5 and 1.4 (respectively).

The S10 and S3 premieres for both of these six or so months ago did 1.4 and 1.5 respectively, which means SG1 bumped up a notch and Atlantis had a slight dropoff. Considering almost zero advertising was done outside of Sci-Fi Channel, this is considered a fairly good showing. And despite the fact that SG1 did better than Atlantis, it's still gone.

Dr. Lee will be making a guest appearance next season, as will Col. Ellis and the Apollo, and someone from the SG1 family (who isn't Christopher Judge) who is thus far unnamed. Colonel Carter will be in the very first episode of the season, "Adrift." All of the characters (sans Carter) will apparently be getting their own focused episode in the first half of the season. By which I mean, the episode will focus on and revolve around them and character exposition. At the very least, I know that McKay will get it (in Miller's Crossing), Sheppard (in Travelers), Ronon (in Reunion), and Teyla though I can't remember the episode Teyla gets hers in.

The writers are of the opinion that this is their best season of writing to date, and they've only completed like seven or eight scripts.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Bad news on this week's ratings. They took a 30% dive for SG1 and 15% for SGA. The later reruns, that show later in the evening did a .8 and .9 respectively. Not good.

S4 is still being created, but I think unless we see a real upswing in ratings, a massive upswing in S4 ratings...or some root change in how the show is released (format related), I think Season 5 is in jeopardy. Personally I'd like to see the show go 7 years and then I'd be okay with an exit. What I'd really like to see is a fundamental shift in the third series to be. Atlantis is SG1 Reloaded and it is NOT working out over the long haul, despite the fact that the show has gotten better, I think it may have taken too long to click.

In other news, Michael Shanks has finished his "24" episodes and they will air starting next week. He has no immediate plans on what to do after the SG1 movies and "24." He says he will take jobs as they come to him, and that Chistopher Judge has a pilot written and the two of them may executive produce it together. But he doesn't want to stop acting.

Any rumors before about him being a lead character on the new SG series are beyond false. They haven't casted the show, but it's going to be all new, which I think means a total break from past SG teams. And I think if Shanks was going to be in it, he would have given at least some indication that a major portion of his acting time would be taken up.

One more little tidbit. When asked if the Asurans and/or Wraith would be defeated by the end of Season 4, Executive Producer Joe Mallozzi said "Hmmmmmm...." which I hope means "YES!!!"

He also said that we may get to see Ronon and Teal'c in a fight, which I would absolutely treasure forever. And I'm totally rooting for Ronon.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I'm so frustrated right now that I was out the day Nielson knocked on my door in Dallas. *mutters*

The lady next door was home, so they became a Nielson family instead of me. I might have had an impact.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 

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He also said that we may get to see Ronon and Teal'c in a fight, which I would absolutely treasure forever. And I'm totally rooting for Ronon.

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Blasphemy!
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupdate!

As previously stated, July 24th is the release date for the S10 of SG1, and it is now up for pre-order on Amazon for $34.99.

The guy who played Merlin in Part 2 of "The Quest" is up for a Leo Award for his role. I mean, he was good and all but, a Leo?

Really that's it, sorry if the thread title update made it seem like more, I'm just happy to have my Stargate News thread back! Shooting wraps for Ark of Truth on Tuesday, then begins for Continuum I believe. More news on SG Third Series and Atlantis to follow in the coming weeks.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Thanks for the heads-up. Order placed.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Christopher Judge's new show "Rage of Angels" has been picked up by MGM for a pilot, and hopefully a production run after that. It will be directed by Brad Turner, of "24" fame, and will also star Michael Shanks as the bad guy, who plays literally the devil, while Chris Judge more or less plays the Archangel Gabriel. The gist I've understood so far is that Gabriel is sick of the rules of heaven not allowing him to interfere on Earth, so he is breaking them by going to Earth to search for the angel Michael, and the two of them together will battle Shanks' Lucifer.

Shanks' Lucifer is supposed to be a misunderstood bad guy with daddy issues. I'm hoping it's a comedy. I'm also hoping that Judge isn't Teal'c with wings and a sword in this show. My opinion of his acting isn't very high given he's played the same character with rather nil character growth for the last few years, so I'll be impressed if he can do something else. That could very well be the fault of the writers however for not giving him better material to work with.

Michael Shanks has also said of Stargate that it's time to "close the book" on that chapter of his life. He also said that MGM is talking to companies about airing the direct to DVD movies on TV, but Sci-FI is not part of those talks. So it looks like they are hoping to capitalize on robust DVD sales and just release them by themselves.

RoA sounds like it could be pretty good, and I'll post more information about it as it becomes available. I still consider it Stargate news considering the main actors
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Have you seen the interviews with Shanks and Judge up on Skiffy? They're mildly entertaining.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I read an interview with Shanks on...somewhere, but Judge wasn't there. Can you link me?
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Easily done

Chris Judge

Michael Shanks
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Well, Judge calls RoA "dark, sexy, violent." Which is...maybe a bit offputting. I was hoping for a comedy, or at least a serious show with comedic elements, because I know the two of them are so good at it.

And it was nice to know that Judge more or less agreed with me on the lack of Teal'c development. He thinks Teal'c peaked in Season 7 or 8, and didn't have much dialogue at all for four or five seasons.

Shanks makes the DVD movies sound pretty cool. I guess his character is going to have some new things happen in the second movie, which is refreshing given the second movie looked rather unappetizing to me. I mean another Ba'al time travel movie? Ugh! But he made it sound much better, and there were a couple sneak peak scenes from what looks like Ark of Truth that were neat.

Thanks for the links Carrie, good stuff.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 

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I guess his character is going to have some new things happen in the second movie, which is refreshing given the second movie looked rather unappetizing to me.

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Know what would be new for the character? If he DIDN'T die!
 

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Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
 
kq

I liked Chris Judge in the episode where he thought he was a firefighter. He felt like a guy. I have no idea what kind of range he has, but I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that he could play cool and angry but not Teal'c.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 

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I guess his character is going to have some new things happen in the second movie, which is refreshing given the second movie looked rather unappetizing to me.

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Know what would be new for the character? If he DIDN'T die!

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Or if he stayed dead.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
For longer than a year, you mean?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Paul McGillion has been downsized from 3 back to 2 episodes for Season 4, his third episode is shelved for now.

Currently work is being done on "This Mortal Coil" and "Be All My Sins Remember'd," which Joe Mallozzi believes will win the "fan favorite" award next year for best episode.

Over the next week or so, if you guys want, I'll post some spoilers about what the plot is on some of these episodes. I've already posted at lease twice what the plots are for the first four or five episodes. I'll get to the others as I come across the information.

One big one here though, I don't remember if this was covered or not at the end of Season 3: Teyla is pregnant, and we find out who the father is part way through Season 4.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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I don't remember if this was covered or not at the end of Season 3

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O_O

NOT.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
We hear more about it in an episode in Season Four called "The Seer" when a blind man who can see things named Davos comes to Atlantis. He warns Atlantis of an impending Wraith Hive ship fleet, and he knows Teyla's secret. Probably episode seven, eight or nine, don't know the order yet.

Rachel Luttrel is pregnant. So it was either this, give her an eating disorder, or bump her off the show for the better part of a season. Sorry if you didn't want to hear that particular spoiler, but look on the bright side, we can spend the next three or four months positing crazy theories on who the father might be! I'm guessing most people's odds on favorite will be Colonel Sheppard, but I think they're going to try and do something totally ridiculous like making it a Wraith child. In fact, that's my guess, it will be a Wraith child.

"This Mortal Coil" and "All My Sins Be Remembr'd" are a two-part episode at the mid-season. They're supposed to be a big one-two punch of group exposition for the whole team. The enthusiasnm of the production crew's blogs is starting to rub off on me. They really think this is going to be an awesome season.

PS. you think I should go back to more obvious and easier to see spoiler warnings, or are you okay with sticking with the spoiler-rama?
 

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Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
 
I'm cool with spoilers as long as you don't ruin the ending on SG1's last season for me. DVD and Atlantis spoilers can only get me interested in stuff I'm not watching now.

I've decided part of the problem is just that I'm up too late for Atlantis alone. I'd stay up when I was waiting for BSG, but I haven't bothered to watch any Painkiller Jane. Basically, I watch SG1 and go to bed. Last night's "war game" episode seemed cool, just not cool enough to keep me up past my bedtime. If they move Atlantis to the 8pm slot next year, I might start watching it, especially with Carter there.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Originally posted by AvidReader:
I'm cool with spoilers as long as you don't ruin the ending on SG1's last season for me. DVD and Atlantis spoilers can only get me interested in stuff I'm not watching now.

I've decided part of the problem is just that I'm up too late for Atlantis alone. I'd stay up when I was waiting for BSG, but I haven't bothered to watch any Painkiller Jane. Basically, I watch SG1 and go to bed. Last night's "war game" episode seemed cool, just not cool enough to keep me up past my bedtime. If they move Atlantis to the 8pm slot next year, I might start watching it, especially with Carter there.

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I hope you skipped the last four pages of this thread then, as we've discussed the ending a lot here. But don't worry, while there are a couple BIG surprises at the end, it's still a cliffhanger.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Not John! NO!!!!!
 

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Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
 
I'm not sure when I jumped in the thread, but if I saw anything about the ending, I've blocked it out.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Little bits of news here:

Season 10 DVD cover art has been revealed. And it looks like a snazzy, much brighter than usual, effort.

Michael Shanks has started a new blog on TV.com. He has some bad things to say about "Bad Guys" which I thought was pretty funny. But apparently there was 22 minutes of the 44 minute episode cut out, so maybe we'll see a director's cut on the DVD. Supposedly, some of what was cut makes the episode as a whole make a lot more sense, which might explain Daniel's somewhat silly outburst on the hostages. Should be interesting.

Martin Gero, who is Joe Mallozzi's partner in crime for SGA, has said there are no filler episodes in the first ten of Season Four, they are all hits. Take that with a grain of salt, but considering he openly admit that much of S3 suffered from bad writing, it's a promising sign.

Apparently, every three episodes or so we're supposed to get a BIG episode, because with SG1 gone, their episode to episode budget has increased, allowing more massive episodes on a more regular basis. Gero says the end of S3 was a soft reset for the series, and they'll get back to equilibrium in S4.

That's all for now.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Atlantis will be a much better platform for a crazy mystical pregnancy than SG-1 would have, I have to admit, so I'm cool with them having the character be pregnant. (I did spot when Amanda Tapping was pregnant even though I didn't know it at the time and had to look it up afterwards to confirm my suspicions, but I'm betting that the majority of fans who didn't know that already probably did not notice. Mostly only pregnant women and women who have been pregnant a couple of times have preg-dar that acute, I think. I know Jeff didn't notice until I pointed it out. I thought they did an okay job of that, better than some other shows I've seen.)
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
She stood behind a lot of stuff.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, and I really I hoped this day would never come, but, here it is:

From Gateworld

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Indeed there is an idea for Davi's (he plays Acostus Kolya) return being bandied about the writer's room, GateWorld has learned. But "unfortunately, the episode in question had to be put on ice and possibly pushed to Season Five," executive producer Joseph Mallozzi told us.

The character was introduced in the first season two-parter "The Storm" and "The Eye," in which he led a Genii strike force to capture the city of Atlantis. He returned in "The Brotherhood" to thwart the team's efforts to acquire a valuable Zero Point Module, and again to torture Sheppard in this season's "Common Ground."

Many fans expressed dismay at the quick death of the favorite villain in "Irresponsible."

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I mean, it's great that they bumped it back to S5 (if there is one), that'll make S4 better. But what the hell? I thought we had FINALLY gotten rid of this guy! He's the worst, most annoying villain in all of Stargate, and people COMPLAINED when he was offed? They're insane! That guarantees at least one wretched episode in S5, unless in the episode he declared the Genii are wrong and now want to be friends, except it's the Genii, who are genetically STUPID apparently, and it'd be a doublecross that'll get half of their team killed and leave Atlantis unscathed as a result. ::shakes head::
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I actually liked him initially. Him showing up a second time was ok. By the third time I was thoroughly sick of him, and relieved to see him dead.

I agree that having him back AGAIN is an atrocious notion.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Yeah, I'm with rivka on this. He was okay as a villain at first, but he gets progressively more annoying.
 

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Posted by School4ever (Member # 5575) on :
 
I just hope it is not another miraculous child who grows up extraordinarily quickly.


KQ - I am a little insulted. I have never been pregnant (except for one loss), and I have the best preg-dar of anyone I know. Ask Mary Cate. If she remembers who this screen name belongs to. By the way, I always do the same thing. Hmm. she is pregnant, and they are doing a terrible job of hiding it. I will check online just to be sure. My husband could not even tell Amanda Tapping was pregnant after I pointed it out to him.

Just for clarification, I have not seen Mary Cate or mph since February of 2002, so I have not had knowledge of her later pregnancies until she has announced them on Hatrack.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I said most, allowing for exceptions. You obviously have acute preg-dar; some pregnant-at-the-time friends of mine didn't even spot her pregnancy without prior knowledge!
 

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Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
 
Lyrhawn! You scared me with that title change. I thought you were going to announce something really bad like cancellation. Kolya coming back is bad, but not quite that bad.

Also, they did say that the actor was returning. Maybe he'll play someone else.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
What, Kolya's twin no one knew he had? *winces*
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
They may as well move the show to daytime - mysterious pregnancy, a long-lost twin... all they need is a bit of backstabbing amongst the main cast and they could SWEEP the Daytime Emmys.

Kolya... yeah, don't care too much either way. You can bank on any Stargate series season having one extraordinarily bad episode - if we have to waste it on him, oh well.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Atlantis' writers are wackos. See: Floaty women.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 

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Lyrhawn! You scared me with that title change. I thought you were going to announce something really bad like cancellation. Kolya coming back is bad, but not quite that bad.

Also, they did say that the actor was returning. Maybe he'll play someone else.

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Sorry I didn't quote the whole article, but they specifically referred to Kolya.

And sorry Shig, I have a wicked sense of humor sometimes But it IS a horrible thing.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Lyrhawn! You scared me with that title change. I thought you were going to announce something really bad like cancellation.

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Yeah, me too.

Then I remembered: Nah, it's Lyr, and he's a tiny bit of a drama queen.

*flees*
 

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Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
School4Ever -- I do remember you, and I just talked to Beverly, and she does confirm that you came up to her and said that she looked pregnant before we told anybody that she was.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 

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Then I remembered: Nah, it's Lyr, and he's a tiny bit of a drama queen.

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I prefer drama KING.

In fact, my best friend made me a mixed cd last year entitled "Songs For a Drama King."

Get it right or face my royal wrath.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Little bit of news:

S10 DVD -

The aforementioned 22 minutes of "Bad Guys" will be shown at least in part (I don't know how much of it) in the special features section of the DVD. It will not be spliced into the episode, and will be available for separate viewing. Better than nothing.

S4 News -

Michael, nobody's favorite Wraith villain, will be back in the back half of S4. Frankly I would rather see a return of the Wraith that worked with Sheppard last Season, the one who returned his life to him and gave us a bit of a more fleshed out take on the rather tired, boring Wraith.

Major Lorne and Dr. Zalenka will be getting some major face time this season. Zalenka, while not getting his own episode, will get to save the day, at least once. Lorne will get more exposure, a first name, and even some backstory.

Jason Momoa got a new tattoo and didn't tell anyone. The writer's belatedly decided to write it into the plot somehow.

More news in the coming days.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Wait a second. Lorne's first name isn't "Major"?

Whoa.

I love Michael, FWIW. This is mostly because I love Trip, but I do enjoy seeing Connor Trinneer having a job.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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I love Michael, FWIW. This is mostly because I love Trip, but I do enjoy seeing Connor Trinneer having a job.

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It has been confirmed that Miller's Crossing, a Season 4 episode will feature McKay's sister, Jeannie Miller.

It will be an Earth based episode, using the intergalactic bridge. Rather than bringing Mrs. Miller to Pegasus, they will go to her. It's slated to be the ninth episode of the season.

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Oh, and it is now possible to preorder S3 on Amazon.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Are you sure? I just checked and all I could find was Preorder S10 of SG1, buy S1 and S2 of Atlantis, and the Companion Book for S3 for Atlantis, I couldn't find the preorder for the third season DVD.

Could you link me?
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Given that I ordered it last night and got a confirmation email, pretty sure.

Here ya go. (Ignore the fact that somewhat at Amazon doesn't know which actors are on which series.)
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Thanks

It's just weird that they both don't know the actors in the show, and that it didn't show up when I searched for it.

I'm still not sure if I'll be able to afford this when it comes out, but I do have S10 of SG1 preordered.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I have had issues before on Amazon with finding the right thing to preorder when it first goes up, and with it having weird info. My guess is they have some kind of automated widget or feed or something that is buggy.

I've always ended up with the DVDs I wanted, though.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I'm waiting for the Ultimate Boxed Set of SG-1. Maybe by the time it comes out I'll be able to afford it.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
By the time that comes out I'll probably be wasting my money by buying all the thinpak sets because my collection is a mix of the big boxed sets and the little thinpaks and it's driving be insane (I'm a LITTLE OCD about stuff like that).

At which point, I'll sell you my giant boxed sets, Seasons 1-8, if you want them, for like $10 each.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
But I won't want them.

No, just kidding, I'll hold you to that.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Okay, first off, David Hewlett's independent movie A Dog's Breakfast(with Paul McGillion, Rachel Luttrell, Chris Judge and Kate Hewlett ) is on pre-order right now at Amazon. It's about $20, and amazingly has cracked the top 20 in sales. Pretty good for a movie that only SG1 fans have probably heard of in any real numbers. It comes out in late September, so you have plenty of time to save up for it.

Some of you may remember the discussion we had here awhile back about "Unending" and the rather vehement words that Daniel spoke to Vala before they got together. Michael Shanks let us in on his thought process for the scene here:

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"He understands the animal that she is," Shanks said of that particular scene. "There's always been this underlining, keeping her at arms length because of the fear of getting too close. ... But they've never dealt with each other in a head-on kind of way. We've never seen her truly vulnerable to Daniel, and we've never seen him be absolutely truthful and direct in terms of is own baggage that he carries in relationships, as well as what she represents to him."

Why was Daniel so mean to Vala in the scene? "I think that there's an innate testing that's going on through the course of that, and he's expecting a certain response," Shanks continued. "He's expecting a more sort of playful, more sort of 'How dare you' [response]. He's expecting her walls to go up, because it's almost like a poker match. He's waiting to see if she's going to be vulnerable first before he is -- and because she's so vulnerable, and he didn't expect it, that we see that resolution, that turn around with him.

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On the Stargate SG-1 front, FOX tells us that Stargate SG-1: The Complete Tenth Season (coming July 24 - pre-order) will come in special metallic foil packaging with a three-dimensional, embossed Stargate. The company wanted to do something special to mark the end of television's longest-running cable drama.

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In the new show, now in preliminary stages, “we figure out what the ninth chevron is for, and it sends us somewhere very interesting,” Wright says.

Will it send us there with anyone we’ve seen before?

“It’ll be by and large a new cast, but whether or not a familiar face is in there is to be decided.”

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Ben writes: “Any plans for a "Future" episode of Atlantis, akin to SG1's "2010"? A kind of "What if?" episode, those are always interesting.”

Answer: Heh. Funny you should say that…

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Season 6 is the Jonas season, and it's the best so far (I have one more episode in season 6 to watch).

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I'll wait until you've finished the series before we chat about it again.
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But we'll talk again when you finish, maybe seeing the whole thing in retrospect will give you a different view.

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GW: Is there any news on the third series yet? Have there been any developments? I know you guys are obviously busy doing other things.

RCC: Brad and I have written up basically a one-page document that outlines the concept and the characters for the series. That's being used as a sales document to put together the financing. It is definitely very, very high on the agenda of things for MGM to get going. They're asking us. Basically, MGM is saying to Brad and I, "When can you have it ready? When can you physically, actually write the script and start production?" These things take time. They aren't just born and grow on their own, unfortunately.

And we're kind of busy right now. That's really the big problem. Brad and I are very much in the world of Ark of Truth and Continuum. Our intention is, when we're done [with] that, in mid-June [2007], to jump on a script for the pilot of the third series.

In [the] typical Stargate world, it's not really a pilot. It's a premiere. We generally sell and proceed with a full season of television. The real question is: "How is it going to get to viewers?" And the answer to that is unclear at the moment.

GW: That's a big question.

RCC: Yeah. And it's not so much a problem as it is a choice for MGM at this point. It's not like they're scrounging around to try and find someone to take it. It's more what makes the most sense going forward into the new age of content distribution, shall we say.

GW: Would the new series, content-wise, have anything to do with the events of "Unending?"

RCC: No.

GW: Because a lot of fans are wondering, "Hmm ... a space-age Stargate story, perhaps?" After all, the Asgard technology has basically been handed to us on a silver platter.

RCC: You know, that may factor in in a small way. What I can tell you about the third Stargate series, conceptually as we've conceived it, is that it is a completely separate, third entity. Much more so than Atlantis was. Atlantis was much more of a spin-off series of SG-1. It was born out of SG-1.

The idea for this -- this is going to sound like a broken record -- but it started as a movie idea. We originally were sitting around talking about this. We were trying to come up with ideas for a Stargate feature. Not an SG-1 feature or an Atlantis feature, but a feature that would fit into the Stargate franchise that we feel we've created. Because the studio, if they're going to spend whatever X millions of dollars on a movie, it needs to appeal to a broad audience. Maybe even a bigger audience than is loyal to the show.

Although mathematically, if everyone around the world who watched the show went to the movie, it would be a tremendous success! Still, the studio is thinking bigger. And I think we were thinking bigger too. We were thinking, "How do we create a third arm to the franchise that is very connective, and that fans will feel is born out of the material that has come before, but at the same time is very-much something that stands alone?"

So when it became clear that a third series was a more realistic possibility at this point, from the studio's standpoint, we figured out how to tweak that idea and give it a little more legs than it would have had as a one-off story. We always, in the back of our minds, even in coming up with that concept, felt it could launch a third series. The idea was we do this big movie and then use that to launch the series. But now that story has become the core idea for the new show.

GW: Is it separated from SG-1/Atlantis to the degree where there might not be cross-over? It's maybe even set in a different era?

RCC: No. I'm not a big fan of prequels. I don't think that really works and I don't understand people who do think that works.

One of the things that we love about Stargate is that it's us. It's our military. It's our scientists. It's our people. And we're going out into the galaxy and the universe to discover all the wonders that are out there, and dealing with our own limitations versus things that are far more advanced to us. That's identifiable. It's what we deal with every day in terms of medicine and science and astrophysics. We're just babies. We would always want to maintain that in anything that was Stargate-related.

It certainly plays into mythology that's been pre-established, but it doesn't directly relate to anything that has been in either series, SG-1 or Atlantis.

GW: Does it have a working title at all that you can share?

RCC: I guess there's no harm in talking about the working title. It is just a working title. "Stargate Universe."

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You're a Buffy fan? What city do you live in?

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Yeah, I'm a Buffy fan. Why do you ask?

Dallas. Why do you ask?
 

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[edited: Color me slow. ]

[ July 09, 2007, 01:23 AM: Message edited by: rivka ]
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 

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Ok... how in the hell are they gonna make a Stargate show that has what they say they want it to have, that is consistent with the Stargate universe... and yet doesn't connect to Atlantis or SG-1?

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Voyager and DS9 weren't shows in the traditional Star Trek sense, but both were successful, and in the cast of DS9, some of the best sci-fi to that point and until now.

There's still a lot of universe to be discovered out there.

Mph -

Well if you're a fan specifically of the episode "Once More With Feeling" I thought this might interest you. I went to the Detroit show and I had a blast. It was seriously the most fun I've had at the movies in ages, and the crowd was awesome and a riot. If you check the upcoming shows section, they are planning a show in Dallas in the Fall, should you be interested in going. It's maybe two hours long including the actual episode. I can give you a bigger description of what it is if you have questions beyond what the link answers and you are interested.
 

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Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
 
Yeah, but Stargate isn't like Star Trek in the sense that there are a bunch of different ships out there, so they can just go with a different ship or station. And he gave me the impression that they're gonna be sticking to roughly the same time period. Pretty much anything they choose with the Taur'ri as the protagonists is going to have SG-1/Atlantis cross over...
 

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Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
Lyrhawn -- when you asked what city I live in, I assumed that you already knew that I live in Oregon.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Oh my bad, it totally slipped my mind when I asked. I'm extremely absent minded sometimes (sometimes?).

Forget I said anything!

Alcon -

There are at least three Earth ships out there, the Odyssey, Daedelus and Apollo, and we have multiple bases out there in the Alpha, Beta and Gamma sites, so say nothing of mining operations and research stations.

Probably what I think might happen will be that it'll be another SG team, maybe even based at the SGC on Earth, but we won't see any of the other characters, except maybe cameos from General Landry and the occasional SG1 character. Just because it is still set, even part time, at Cheyenne Mountain (if it is), doesn't mean that it's still based off of SG1. Atlantis was a direct spin-off of SG1 one, using themes and material derived directly from the first show. SGU will be its own thing within the SG verse.
 

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Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
 
See now, I'd still call that a spin off. Cause if your gonna connect it right, you're at the very least gonna have to refer to some of the events of Atlantis and SG-1. And you're still using the material directly set up by SG-1.

Personally I think a show like that would be awesome. I just can't figure why they're claiming it wouldn't be a spin off or another cross over. That doesn't make sense to me.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Might just be a terminology issue then. I'm not entirely sure where they are going with this, but if it's in the direction I think, I'd be okay with not calling it a spin-off either.

A spin-off in Star Trek to me, would have been if a series was based around Kassidy Yates traveling around on her ship. But I don't consider Voyager to be a spin-off of DS9. I think you can create a show set in the same universe as the original without it being a spinoff. If they don't use any of the same characters, settings or plot, then really it's a whole new show. Atlantis was based directly on finding a the City of the Ancients, which was established at the end of Season 7, and used a character, Dr. Weir, who was established in the same season, as well as Dr. McKay, who had also been used before. Their mission had pretty much been established before it was even concieved of as a separate show.

Now SGU, from how it looks, will have nothing to do with searching a lost city, or fighting the Goauld or Ori, it will be a plot set up entirely on its own with no backing from the original show. There might be occasional interactions, like any concurrent show might have (Star Trek has had crossovers), and those will be crossovers, which they haven't ruled out, but it won't be a spin-off in the traditional sense. It will be a show set in the same universe, the same time period, using established technology and history, all perfectly fair, but it will have its own unique plot.
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 

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Originally posted by ketchupqueen:
I'm waiting for the Ultimate Boxed Set of SG-1. Maybe by the time it comes out I'll be able to afford it.

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S10 just arrived in the mail yesterday.

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I ordered mine through Amazon with the free super saver shipping thing

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Ditto. Mine's showing a not-available-before Aug. 2, and an approximate arrival date of the following week.

*shrug* No biggie. It's not like it's HP7 or something.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Shipped!
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
Bad news - Amazon bumped the price up to $275. This is the second time in as many months that waiting to purchase a product from Amazon has cost me money. *sigh*

I wish they would release the extras as a separate set. Or bundle them with a season 10 set.
 

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Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
 
Do you have anything on Stargate: worlds?
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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I wish they would release the extras as a separate set.

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Do you have anything on Stargate: worlds?

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Finally, here you can find a two minute trailer for S4 of Atlantis.

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I still hate how Carter's hair looks in most of the new shots. However, I can now see that it's not chopped really short -- it's just up in a ponytail. My 8-year-old makes a better ponytail, though.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Little bit more news...

Lexa Doig and Michael Shanks (husband and wife team, as many of you know) will be guest starring separately on two episodes of Eureka this season. Lexa will plan a biologist who gives sexual harassament seminars, and Shanks will play a "sexy artist" who creates a metal sculpture that turns to gold.

And here's a special SG1 edition of "Where are they now?"

Chris Judge - Has sold "Rage of Angels" to MGM as a 2 hour direct to DVD movie, which he hopes to flip into a series if it does well.

Ben Browder - Working with a Farscape director on a six hour miniseries called "Going Homer." He will also reprise his role from Farscape in the 10 webisodes of Farscape being made. He is trying to get something going with MGM on a project called "Black Mountain" about a homicide detective.

Claudia Black - Was going to be on the new NBC show "Life" but dropped out due to scheduling issues. They don't know yet if she'll be in the Farscape thing or not, her baby is due soon.

Beau Bridges - Nothing much. Nominated for an emmy for his work on "My Name is Earl" but the show he was working on for FOX wasn't picked up for this fall.

Lexa Doig - Made for TV movie for Lifetime called "Killer Eyes."

Amanda Tapping - Working on Atlantis, and hoping to do more work with her online show "Sanctuary."

RDA - He did a stint on Continuum, and now he is traveling and plans to have foot surgery in the fall. Other than that nothing.

What's really sad about all this? Only three of the names I just mentioned are original cast members.

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The 14th episode of S4 of Atlantis will be a Sheppard backstory episode. It's called "Outcast" and will have Shep going back to Earth where we see into his past and even meet his ex-wife. It's based off an idea that Joe Flanigan put forward.

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Some good news perhaps. I think I may have mentioned this before, but there will be no hiatus this year for Atlantis. The season will start on September 28th, a Friday, and will be at a new time slot, 10pm. The midseason finale will be on December 7th, "This Mortal Coil." There will be a short break for Thanksgiving, and then that break for the December holidays, but supposedly it will start up again with "Be All My Sins Remember'd" in early January and then play through to the end of the season. Shooting for the whole season ends in October.

On an interesting note, the Wraith that Sheppard sort of made friends with, the first episode that we discovered Wraiths could both take and give life, will come back this season. There's supposed to be an Atlantis/Wraith alliance this season that I am dreading. Personally I want the Wraith, the Asurans, and almost everyone else in the Pegasus to just GO AWAY! Even the Goauld went away after awhile. Insert here my rant from a couple pages ago about wanting a newer better enemy that is more complex.

And here is the new internet storefront for Stargate goodies. And though overpriced, there's some cool stuff in there.
 

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The 14th episode of S4 of Atlantis will be a Sheppard backstory episode. It's called "Outcast" and will have Shep going back to Earth where we see into his past and even meet his ex-wife. It's based off an idea that Joe Flanigan put forward.

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The day after ABC is starting practically everything else I care about this season. I would be annoyed that everything is starting on the first two nights of Succos, but since I mostly watch everything online these days anyway, it doesn't matter much. And anyway, Fridays are Fridays every week.

Hooray for not having to watch TV "live" anymore!
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Here's your tentative Stargate Atlantis schedule:

Sept. 28 - "Adrift"
Oct. 5 - "Lifeline"
Oct. 12 - "Reunion"
Oct. 19 - "Doppelganger"
Oct. 26 - "Travelers"
Nov. 2 - "Tabula Rasa"
Nov. 9 - "Missing"
Nov. 16 - "The Seer"
Nov. 23 - No new episode
Nov. 30 - "Miller's Crossing"
Dec. 7 - "This Mortal Coil" (Mid-season finale)
Dec. 14 - No new episode
Dec. 21 - No new episode
Dec. 28 - No new episode
Jan. 4 - "Be All My Sins Remember'd"
Jan. 11 - "Spoils of War"
Jan. 18 - "Quarantine"
Jan. 25 - "Outcast"
Feb. 1 - "Midway"
Feb. 8 - "Trio"
Feb. 15 - "Harmony"
Feb. 22 - "The Kindred, Part 1"
Feb. 29 - "The Kindred, Part 2"
Mar. 7 - Season Finale (Untitled)

It looks like an interesting season. There's a few filler episodes that might have some nice exposition, but from what I've read of the spoilers, there's a lot of potentially great episodes in there.

For Stargate SG-1 The Complete Set, there's a bit of news. Here is a preliminary shot of the cover art for the set, which comes out in October.

Look here for a complete listing of the special features that will be on the four discs of bonus stuff for this set. Amazon, I believe has this for preorder for $280, which puts it at $28 a season, not a bad price with the bonus discs and fancy packaging.

I'd settle for being able to purchase the thin packs to put my discs in, and being able to buy the bonus discs separately. But I don't think that's very likely.
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
Price for the set is down to $230.99.

I'm ready for Atlantis S4 to start. I can't wait to see McKay's face when he finds out Carter's his boss.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
"McKay and Mrs. Miller," a fan favorite from last season, has been nominated for a Geminii Award for script writing.

Michael Shanks has stated that if Atlantis is renewed for a S5, he would be excited to guest start on the show, just as Joe Mallozzi has said a priority of his would be to get Shanks on the show in the fifth season. So it looks like Shanks is a lock for a Daniel Jackson appearance if the show is renewed. Expect news on that by this fall.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Little bit of news.

The season finale of S4 has a title now, "The Last Man," and it is planned to be a cliffhanger, which may or may not be changed depending on the news over whether or not there will be a S5, which Joe Mallozzi is confident there will be (of course, they were all expecting a S11 of SG1, so who knows?).

But if there isn't, he expects the same DVD direct to home movie deal that SG1 has.

And here is an interview with Andee Frizzell, the woman who plays all the Wraith Hive Queens. She has some interesting answers, and questions, many that mirror my own lamenting of the simple mindedness of the Wraith as an enemy. She wants to know more about the Wraith as a people, and to do away with their status as a bad guy who is evil just to be evil.
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
So...who watched it?

Not the best episode, but decent. I liked Sheppard throwing Zelenka. And 'Asteroids'.

It seemed slow-moving for a big season premiere. Lots of standing around and talking, not a whole lot of doing. I hope Dr Keller gets more interesting as the season moves along.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I fell asleep and totally forgot about it, but I'll either catch it this weekend or watch it online.

Keller will have quite a bit of face time this season, I'd expect some decent character development.
 

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If you want to email me I'll drop you a line on where I go to watch stuff online, if you don't want to pay for iTunes. But I won't post it here, as our host has expressed a negative view towards such behavior.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Okay I just watched the Season Opener.

Not bad.

Pros - The effects were pretty stellar. I don't think they had that many special effects in all of season three, and they were all crisp and cool looking.

Cons - Walking. Talking. Problem. Walking. Talking. Problem. Yeah I know that tends to be how some of these episodes go, but jeez, I felt like I was watching Bob Villa's Home Again: Atlantis Edition with all the damned repairs they kept having to make. Frankly I think it was a bit overwrought.

But, I've VERY excited for next week, it was a great way to end the episode.
 

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Posted by steven (Member # 8099) on :
 
"I felt like I was watching Bob Villa's Home Again: Atlantis Edition with all the damned repairs they kept having to make."

or "The New Atlantis Yankee Workshop".
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Now I was GOING to say "This Old Spaceship," but I wasn't sure how many people watched HGTV on a regular basis.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
First off...South Park did a mild parody of Stargate last night, it was funny (they also ripped on a half dozen other things too, including orcs from the Rankin Bass Hobbit, Khan, and Snarg from Thundercats, it was pretty messed up).

Next...

So here's some news. First off, the BIG ONE, despite dropping syndication ratings and live ratings, Atlantis has been RENEWED for SEASON FIVE!. They will celebrate their 100th episode as the last episode of S5. This means we are almost sure to see a Michael Shanks guest starring role in the fifth season. Despite the lower ratings, it is still one of the more watched shows in cable television. This also bodes well for the third series, which is still in development.

Now, Arc of Truth news. It is planned for release on March 11th, 2008. The budget for the film was something like $7 million, pretty big all things considered. There will be 240 visual effects, which is pretty big by 90's movie standards, let alone direct to DVD movies. They're also using an orchestra for the original music. One cool thing, Sarah Strange will reprise her role as Morgan Le Fat, which is cool, not only because I think she's hot, but because what small bits we've gotten of her have been cool I think. I would've liked to see her as a more regular character.

More news to follow. Is everyone keeping up on this season? It hasn't been bad so far.
 

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Alternately, an alternate universe. I mean, where else is there to go?

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I think that would be fun, although it would be tough to do right. If that is the case, I hope they take a look at Sliders to see how the concept has both incredible promise but can also go horribly wrong.
 

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Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
 
Go horribly wrong in the sense that the series was dragged out way too long, and as a result all the original characters died and you're left wondering why they're even bothering to keep going?
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Well, Stargate has a bonus in the way that they would presumably be able to come back.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
If I had to guess I'd say it's some sort of dimensional travel, but the evidence against that is that they already have Ancient devices that push thing through different dimensions AND realities.

That leads me to believe it is some sort of measurement of distnace. 8th chevron is for another galaxy. Maybe the 9th takes you to a different cluster of galaxies? Seems like a much too simplistic measurement to make, but I think time traveling Stargate would be WEIRD. Are they going to do a combination of Enterprise's Temporal Cold War and Sliders' Cromags as the bad guys? I think it'd be odd unless they've come up with some sort of hook. It'd have to be good.
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
S4 isn't quite living up to S3, IMO, but I still like it. Last week's episode was fun, though I definitely got flashbacks from the crystals-Sheppard interaction.

I think MEC's right about time travel. The failed device in Window of Opportunity makes it pretty clear the Ancients didn't have time travel when they built the stargates.

One possiblity I just thought of (though I doubt this is it), is maybe the 9th chevron acts as a security measure. Maybe there's a set of planets scattered throughout the galaxy (or galaxies) that have been hidden by the Ancients for some secret-but-very-important reason. They can only be reached by successfully dialing a nine-chevron address. Researchers (or one of the SG1/SGA teams) stumble across one of the addresses and the exploration begins. Just an idea.
 

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Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
 
Teshi essentially got what I was hinting at, although they should also avoid the MEC thing too On that note, sometimes I wonder if Atlantis is killing off way too many people.

An alternate universe concept can suffer just as much from "universe of the week" as Stargate itself can suffer from "planet of the week". Sliders had it especially bad since they (and I'm going to limit my discussion to seasons 1 and 2) could not go back to a planet and always had to scramble for the timer at the end of an episode. Any sense of continuity and consequences really suffered.

Also, creating new universes is a hard creative task and eventually the whole thing devolved into "movie parody of the week".

It is actually a bit heart-breaking if you read about the behind the scenes shenanigans that occurred since the writers knew about many of the problems but were overruled in their attempts to fix anything...
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Recent interviews with producer Joe Mallozzi reveal that work will already begin on S5 of SGA in early 2008, which means we can hopefully look forward to a S5 with little to no break, much like (thankfully!) this year.

He also spoke about the problem with ratings. SGA according to research is the MOST DVR'd show on all of television (that might be a diss, it means everyone loves it, but they've got something better to watch until they can get around to it), and that Sci-Fi Network is the most DVR'd network on television. But Nielson ratings don't account for any sort of alternative viewing format. Market research has shown that their ratings might actually be 78% higher than they are currently when you account for alternative viewing formats. I guess the Sci-Fi likes those numbers if they ordered another season.

Mallozzi also said that SGU (Stargate Universe) has NOT in any way shape or form been put in the backburner by this decision, and that Brad Wright and others (the guys who helmed SG1) are moving full steam ahead on it, and that we'll be hearing a lot of details in the weeks to come. Considering I believe they are looking at it being released in the 08-09 season (and since it's filmed in Canada, I wonder if that exempts them from the current strike fear that is looming over Hollywood), I have to imagine that means casting and writing will start in early 08. In other words, I'll hopefully be getting plot and casting news to you guys in the next couple months.

Ratings for SGA for S4 have been holding steady, and for the most part I think they've got some quality TV going up there.
 

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Stargate Universe is the working title for the third Stargate TV series and is being created by Robert C. Cooper and Brad Wright. According to Darren Sumner of Gateworld, Cooper and Wright recently pitched the new series to the Sci Fi Channel, and according to Mallozzi, it was a “revised pitch”, meaning that some things have changed from their initial outline. Early versions of the new series’ premise included its taking place in the present and offering chances for current Stargate characters to cross over. Whether or not the ninth chevron premise still applies is also unknown, since we don’t really know what parts of the pitch were “revised”.

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
It's been a little while since we've done some SG1 news, or anything not really Atlantis based, but here you go:

First of, Joe Mallozzi, of SGA, has called Michael Shanks and asked him if he would like to guest star on an "episode or two" of SGA at some point in S5. Shanks agreed, as he'll be somewhat free, being only a recurring guest star on fellow SG1 cast member Chris Judge's show "Rage of Angels." Shanks' only condition was that he not die while guest starring. Apparently he doesn't want Daniel to come that close to double digit deaths.

You can follow this link for some production photos of "Ark of Truth."

The other big news, also dropped by Shanks, was that there is already a third SG1 DVD movie being talked about. Brad Wright and Robert Cooper, who were the show runners on SG1 and will run SGU (if it gets made), have already pitched an idea for a movie to MGM. But while they can still produce, they are WGA members, and will not be allowed to write ANY script for the movie, or for SGU episodes. They join SGA's Carl Binder in being hamstrung by the strike, whereas all the other writers are actually Writers Guild of CANADA members, which I just found out. Either someone else will have to write the scripts, or production will have to wait.

It might be a bit premature to start a third movie before the state of the franchise is really assessed with all the recent changes. I bet a greenlight will depend on sales of the AoT. If it does well enough, the next one will be justified. SGA is seeing a slight rebound in their ratings, and if things keep up the way they have been lately, I'd say it's well deserved. I'll be watching Friday night for sure.

Even with them not being able to write, I still expect more SGU news in the coming weeks from Binder and Cooper.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Some more news. Sorry I didn't get to it earlier, but the complete series was on sale on Amazon on Tuesday for $179.99, for anyone who caught it. The price I think now is something like $229.99.

July of 2008 is the set date for the release of Continuum, and it's been revealed that while at the end of most alternate universe stories, the situation is not only usually set back to zero, but the characters don't usually remember what happened, in this story, they will remember everything, and there will be small changes that we'll see at the end.

From the sound of it, the special effects are going to be pretty sweet too. There will be battles between Gliders and Strike Eagles over the Atlantic.

It's sounding better than I thought it would. Also from the sound of things, Brad Wright is progressing on his pitch for Stargate Universe, though there are still no words on what the changes were from the original idea.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Here is the first video promo for the Ark of Truth. Clearly it has some clips from "Camelot" in it, but there's some new stuff in it too, plus it looks all dramatic.

Word is that Jewel Staite is going to get a LOT of screen time in the second half of this season, and she will play a very prominent role in Season 5. The writers and producers absolutely love her, despite some negative fan reaction.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Okay, I promised to come back with more recent answers on the Asgard questions in that other thread, and going back in time (looking back at Joe Mallozzi's blogs from six months ago) I found two very short answers to two questions.

Question: What happened to Asgard ships when they died?

Answer: That remains to be seen

Question: Will we see Asgard weapons from SG1 in SGA to fight the Wraith?

Answer: Wait and see.

Generally I've found when he's vague like that it's because he doesn't want to offer up a flippant answer, knowing that they'll probably do something on the show to answer your questions. Wait and see especially looks like they have something planned for some point in the fourth season, so I'd wait, I bet you're going to get an answer to your question at some point this season. So far as I know, there isn't any other information, even rumors, out there with more of an answer than that.
 

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Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
 
I haven't yet caught up on SG-1, so I was pretty shocked when you said they died. So I looked it up and saw they all committed suicide and I was even more shocked.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Sorry, I don't bother with spoiler warnings anymore because this thread is beyond rife with them.

And I'd call it less a suicide and more a...strategic withdrawel. They were on the verge of dying anyway, and decided to go out the best way they possibly could, or at least, the most advantageous way to preserve what they felt were the most important things to them.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
That's still suicide. Just like a "mercy killing" is still murder.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
True.

New details on the mid-season finale "This Mortal Coil," and it looks pretty cool. I think SG1 actually did something like this, when that Harlan guy (comtriya!) made machine duplicates of the team and they discovered they weren't real but then went out on missions later. Still this is cool, and it I think will explain the explosion they saw in "The Seer" so the city will remain undamaged.

I watched "Miller's Crossing" last night and thought it was awesome. Maybe not as good as the last time Kate Hewlett guest starred, but still very good. This season as a whole has I think been an impressive turn for the series as a whole.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Alrighty -

Michael Shanks has been contacted on doing an episode or episodes of Atlantis for Season 5, and he is okay with it, they just need to get the scripts passed around. Season 4 is supposed to end in a huge cliffhanger that will be wrapped up in Season 5, but apparently a big focus of Season 5 is going to be the introduction of new races, both friend and foe. New friends should be cool, we already have enough bad guys (though maybe new bad guy means getting rid of the Genii, the Wraith and the Replicators? PLEASE!!!!), but it's been awhile since we've had an Asgard type race to deal with, especially now that our technology has really come a long way, we aren't helpless anymore.


Here is an extremely long recap of the Burbank Stargate Con. It's chock full of information, some of it spoilers from new stuff coming, and some of it some funny looks back at SG1 and SGA stuff from previous seasons. I won't recape it, you'll just have to read it, but there's some fun stuff in there.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
"Miller's Crossing" was pretty good. It was a fair bit darker than I'm used to associating with SGA, which is not a bad thing. At all. John looks a lot better when he's all dark and tortured.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
"This Mortal Coil" was a good mid-season ender. Well done, good dialogue, nice plot and scary ending.

Reports have it that Jason Momoa (Ronon) has cut off his dreadlocks. He said they weighed almost seven pounds and literally hurt his neck during fight scenes. But, he saved them and the makeup department turned them into a wig that he'll wear during shoots. It'll be a two day process to get it attached to his head, but he said it's worth it to save both Dex's image, and his neck during the hiatus from shooting.

Atlantis comes back in early January.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
First and foremost, Ark of Truth is available for pre-order on Amazon for 30% off, at $18.99. The firm release date is March 11th.

Now for Atlantis, and I'm going to post the rare spoiler warning for spoilers about the end of S4:
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In "The Last Man," the final episode of the fourth season, the SGA team will return to Atlantis from a mission to find the city abandoned and the ocean gone, replaced by sand dunes as far as the eye can see.

Writers have already started to work on S5, and so far the first episode of the season is titled "Search and Rescue" but Mallozzi is keeping mum on who is searching and who is in need of rescuing.

The cliffhanger was planned even before they got the pickup for Season 5. Mallozzi and the others figured that even if they didn't get the nod, they'd find another way to get the story told, much like Brad Wright and the SG1 team are getting the Ori arc done.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Okay!

So I have a bit of news that will probably be well recieved here. I'll start with the Atlantis news. In "Be All My Sins Remember'd," the next episode when Atlantis returns in early January, we're going to see some slambang CGI fights

Now that they are able to track all the Replicator ships in the galaxy, they'll be busy trying to evacuate worlds in the path of Replicator ships. Faced with a vast fleet of bad guys, The Apollo and Dadelus return to the Pegasus galaxy loaded with Asgard technology and weapons, prepared to face down the enemy fleet. Complicating or maybe helping matters, is the arrival of Larrin, leader of the Travelers (I still haven't seen that episode). McKay meanwhile thinks the best way to defeat the Replicators lies elsewhere, not in ships and weapons.

It looks to be a SWEET episode, and we'll finally see Asgard weapons in the Pegasus, as requested by many who participate in this thread.

New pictures have been added to the photo gallery of Ark of Truth. Nothing special, but you can see Doci, who was in the first episode with the Ori. I like the actor, and the character, little of him though we've seen. Something about his archaic language and accent is appealing.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Kate Hewlett will briefly guest star in the last episode of S4 of Atlantis. Kate describes it as a "blink and you'll miss it," cameo.

There's some fun information here in an interview with Joe Mallozzi on S4 and upcoming plans for S5.

Atlantis returns I think next weekend (or this weekend?) with Be All My Sins Remember'd, which is described as a tearjerker, and is supposed to have amazing effects.

They go back to the studio to start shooting S5 in late February.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Sweet sassy molassey! Did anyone else see Be All My Sins Remember'd? It was awesome! That was the best space battle I've seen on tv since the last season of Star Trek DS9! I didn't see the tearjerker angle to it that was described, but the effects were amazing. There were alliances between foes, a massive battle, cool...stuff, and an interesting twist at the end. I won't ruin it for now, you all can bring it up after you see it, but it's an interesting new dynamic.
 

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Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
 
I haven't been watching this season (I've been trying to catch up first), but maybe I'll make an exception for the episode you just described.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Watch This Mortal Coil too, it's a three parter that finishes up next week, so you'll want to know what led up to Be All My sins.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I didn't get the tearjerker, either. And I'm pregnant. But it was a freakin' good episode.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I'm still startled in general by how much better I think SGA has gotten this season. I was, well maybe not ready to write them off, but I had serious concerns at the end of S3. With a few exceptions, it was all one dimensional plot lines, lack of character development, run of the mill non-arc episodes. It was stale and boring.

But they've REALLY turned things around. Interesting plot twists, neat looks into the characters, the new characters are a lot of fun, the effects are blowing me away, especially with all the shiny new toys they have. I'm really looking forward to the second half of this season, to the movie that's coming out soon, and to the Fall. Heck I'm even excited for news of the third series.

Then again take that with a grain of salt, I get excited pretty easily.
 

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Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
I've been startled by how little I've like Sam as the commander of Atlantis.
 

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Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
 
To be honest, I thought the episode was overrated. The battle was fun to watch, but the best since DS9 ended? Meh.
We've had many battles in BSG which are both more stylish and more interesting on a tactical level and even on Stargate itself we've had a variety of fun battles including my personal favourite, the various bits of Atlantis in The Siege or the battle over Antarctica.
I'm just not a big fan of battles where big ships just show up, get in close, and start bombarding each other with no real sense of tactics. Also, the only way the plot works is that fact that the enemy is rather incompetent. They should have access to lifesign detectors just like Atlantis does and should certainly have had them setup after the last trip to the homeworld. The enemy vessels should have been destroying ships left and right with drones given that we've seen Aurora class vessels, even recently repaired and not fully operational, destroy a Wraith hive ship in one salvo....but yet, only one dinky ship on "our" side was destroyed?

Despite all this, I did enjoy it and thought it was a fun popcorn ride. But I'm not *that* impressed with it.

I guess that the tearjerker angle was the replicator android that sacrificed itself there? Maybe we were supposed to sympathise with it more and maybe there were some cut scenes there due to the amount of stuff they had to pack in the episode?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Considering how little I was liking Weir, Sam is alright as a replacement, just nothing special.

The BSG battles were cool, just never BIG. I've always liked BSG battles, they're cool conventional battles, nothing flashy, good on tactics. I just like the flashy stuff I think several of the ships on "our" side were destroyed, but we only counted the one Travelers ship as a real loss. Who cares if we lose a Hive ship?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
So I saw Ark of Truth. Yes, I know it doesn't come out until March or so, but, I saw it. It wasn't quite finished (some of the effects were unfinished, but the story and music was all there).

I liked it. It did have the feeling of being a whole season crammed into an hour and forty minutes (which is exactly what it was), but it was a GOOD 100 minutes of television. I'm almost sad that the 11th season never got done, because I'd almost forgotten how much fun SG1 was. It would've been 100 times better with RDA. I'm glad they didn't get bogged down in the moral issue, which was important don't get me wrong, and I think would have been fun to see drawn out over a couple episodes in a season, I think it would've eaten up too much time in a movie.

There weren't as many graphics or shoot 'em up slam bang effects as I thought there'd be (the Odyssey didn't even shoot anything!), but I get enough of that on Atlantis.

I'll go into a spoiler laden review here:

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Okay, the dumbest part of this? They found yet ANOTHER way to bring the Replicators back. The gist is that they take the Odyssey to the Ori galaxy, but when they get there, the IOA rep on the ship creates a replicator, in the hopes that it can be sent to the Ori ships to destroy them. Instead, OF COURSE, it starts to eat the Odyssey, and soon they have a full blown infestation. So they fight it off, and while they do that, Vala, Daniel, Tomin and Teal'c find the Ark of Truth (which amazingly everyone before them somehow missed, but hey, it's TV!). The four of them then get captured, with the Ark, and brought before the Doci and Adria (she's back and better than ever!). They get rescued, more or less, by Morgan LeFey (I really DO like Sarah Strange, even in small snippets), who distracts Adria and sets up a situation where they can convert the Doci with the Ark and in that way, change the entire Ori galaxy so that none of them believe in Origin, which weakens Adria and allows Morgan to take her on like Oma Desala did to Anubis. That part was pretty cool, and not just because of my schoolboy crush on Sarah Strange. So then they win, come back to the Milky Way, and they use the Ark on a Prior they'd recently captured (a familiar face) and thereby turn everyone against the Ori in the Milky Way. Quick finish, but it was supposed to stretch over some 800 minutes instead of 100, so, not bad all things considered. I liked it. I'm looking forward to Contiuum as a story that doesn't have quite so much riding on it plot wise and can maybe take the time to enjoy itself a little more, as clearly the writers aren't out of somewhat decent story and the actors still click. Plus there's supposed to be a cool fight scene in it

All in all? Hardcore fans will want to buy this one, somewhat fans will want to rent it. It's worth it.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
And hardcore fans short on money will want to Netflix it and watch it repeatedly for three months before returning it.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Sorry, I forgot that middle ground category.
 

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Or they could probably borrow it from someone.
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
Lyrhawn - Are you really not going to tell us how you got to see it?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Well, my brother called me the other day and said "hey, when's that Stargate movie supposed to be coming out?" And I said "Well, March I think." And he said "well yeah, cause I've got it, wanna see?"

To which I said, "No! That's an illegal bootleg and you stole it and I refuse. I'll wait until March."

And then he said "yeah but, it's Stargate."

To which I said "....yeah okay!" And then I watched it. I consoled myself by saying that I plan to buy it anyway, so it's not STEALING, it's..some sort of early borrowing.

I wish I had a cooler story, like, the Stargate people, realizing the support I've given the show over the months since I started this thread, decided to let me be an early reviewer of the movie so I could spread the word or some such. But nope.
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Aw! I really liked this week's episode. It was a great example of how simple character exposition, just people sitting in rooms talking to each other can be more entertaining and rewarding than the episodes where crap gets blown up.

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On the other hand, what happened with Katie and McKay was really sad. I got the impression at the end that when she said goodbye, that was it for them. I liked the two of them, what little we saw, even though after dating for so long, and apparently that close to marriage, they still seemed fairly awkward around each other. I didn't see them getting married for real, but I think Rodney's character growth in response to their relationship was good, and funny as he is being a bit of a prick, I liked cool Rodney "McKay and Mrs. Miller." I'd like to see him slowly move towards that, keeping some of his little foibles.

So while I don't think they should have gotten married, it's sad that he lost everything there, especially when I think he was making a really responsible choice when he said they shouldn't get married. And it seems like he's been punished for it. Sad.

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I predict next week I will rail against the episode. It features, wait for it, the Genii, my LEAST FAVORITE MOST HATED villain in the Stargate universe. What the hell is wrong with those guys?!
 

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I hated Keller and Ronon. It came out of left field and should probably have stayed there. I can see them as friends, and I can't really disagree with Keller wanting to jump Ronon (let's face it, he's pretty hot). I suppose my main beef with it is the sudden onset (which, tangentially, is why I hate Ginny Weasley). The pairings were obvious (and really, Zelenka was adorable with Carter, if misguided and entirely hopeless), and for the most part they worked. Rodney and Katie was almost heartbreaking and very nicely played.

This was a somewhat fun episode. I, too, dislike the Genii, but I'm always a fan of the "John 'n' Rodney Show," so I'm not too worried about it.

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I really like these kinds of episodes-- all about the characters, just enough drama to keep it interesting. And yes, I'm a realationship junkie, so I love to see developments in that line.


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I liked Keller and Ronon, more for the development of Keller's less-explored character than anything else. As for Rodney and Katie, well, I winced when he said "Why?" Because it's such a Rodney thing to say, and I knew the exact "right answer" the one that, even if he decided later he wasn't ready for marriage right then (which, let's face it, he already knew-- "I'm not ready to set a date") would have saved the relationship and allowed it to grow. He can be such an idiot about interpersonal stuff.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I winced too, it was just totally the wrong thing to say, ESPECIALLY in light of how her face lit up when she realized he was going to ask. I can totally believe he bungled that so badly, but it seems sucky to lose the relationship after so little on screen time was spent with them.

But still, character growth for Rodney, so, I guess it still served a purpose, a good purpose.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I don't know that it's totally gone. Definitely not the hottest thing going right now, but there could be hope for them.

The way it ended, well, I wouldn't be surprised if we see (or rather, hear of, since Katie's not a big-time main character) her dating other people and then them getting back together at some point in time.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Oh, and I was so glad I wasn't drinking or eating anything when she was stroking that cactus, or I would have choked and/or spit it all over myself.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I know! Oh my god I laughed SO LOUD during the cactus thing.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Totally!

It sure looked like she was LEAVING at the end of the ep -- she had a cart full of her favorite plants, neh?

And guys, I think the ship has probably sailed on the whole spoiler thing.

I thought the four male-female pairs setup was both odd and telegraphing something. Ronon-Keller was only a tiny bit more believable than Sam-Radek -- better off without any romantic pairing (other than the Rodney-Katie one, natch).

Overall, good episode. Even if Teyla has experienced the same she-looks-10-times-more-pregnant-than-last-week! thing that my coworker keeps doing.

Also, Rodney is 4 years younger than me? GAH! >_<

Loved the 42 bit, though.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
So some changes are in store.

First off, the main core of Ronon, Sheppard, and Teyla are confirmed coming back, and though no deal has been announced for David Hewlett, it is believed he is back too, so the main team is in.

Amanda Tapping will no longer be the commander of Atlantis. Word is, though it will not be a member of the main team, it WILL be someone we're familiar with. Favorite speculations include Col. Caldwell and Richard Woolsey. Tapping will be leaving Atlantis entirely, though might be back for a few episodes next season, and will be in the season premiere.

There will be a new recurring (possibly regular cast member) named Captain Allison Porter. We don't now who is playing her yet. She will be a member of the military contingent.

There should be a big press release tomorrow to discuss some of the changes to the cast.
 

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Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
 
I'm hoping for Assistant Director Skinner
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 

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It sure looked like she was LEAVING at the end of the ep -- she had a cart full of her favorite plants, neh?

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I didn't think it was that easy to leave Atlantis.

I was thinking she was just in the middle of her work and he interrupted her-- typically-- and it was metaphorical of her now moving on from their reltionship, at least temporarily, maybe. But that doesn't mean "no hope."

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I TOTALLY do that every time, too.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Either McKay's girlfriend or Major Lorne are going to have a majorly increased role for Season 5.

There was a rumor that both of them would have a bigger role, and Joe Mallozzi said it was half right.
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
Please let it be Lorne. Pretty, pretty please?

Edit: Gateworld has a list of confirmed cast changes, though no mention of Lorne or Katie.

Apparently, Woolsey will take command. That should be interesting. Also, both Beckett and Daniel will be guest stars.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Good. I like the Doctor. Crap, I mean Woolsey.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Eh, I'm not fond.
 

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Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
 
Hum, I don't really see the wisdom in the choice, but I'll have to give it a chance I guess.
Hopefully we won't get too many generic "Woolsey needs to learn to trust Sheppard's unique leadership style", "Woolsey butts heads with Ronon's lack of respect", or "Woolsey sees Teyla's friends as a security risk" episodes...
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Not to mention, "Woolsey has a stick up his butt. Watch everyone jostle it!"
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Woosley has spent the last couple seasons mellowing out and in general joining more often I think with the SG team than with the IOA. Considering he started out as the VP's hack, he's come a long way.

Still, I'm not sure how I feel about him as the leader. He's too political, and I think too rigid to take the kind of risks Carter or Weir would've taken. I can almost see the episode where the team acts against his wishes to save the day. I guess the bright side is tension can make for good television, but I think I'll find this annoying unless they quickly move his character forward.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Yeah, and part of it for me is that he's just not an ENGAGING character. We've seen him evolve some, meh. We've seen him be a butt. Meh. We've seen him go to bat for the SGC. Meh. I just don't like the character.
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 

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Not to mention, "Woolsey has a stick up his butt. Watch everyone jostle it!"

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Oh, the imagery.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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It sure looked like she was LEAVING at the end of the ep -- she had a cart full of her favorite plants, neh?

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I didn't think it was that easy to leave Atlantis.

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I didn't, actually.

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it's not that easy to just say, "I don't think I want to work here anymore." I'd think they'd question that, and you'd be a security risk... It just seems like it would be more involved than that.

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Maybe. Plenty of people do seem to come and go all the time, though.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Yeah. I've known enough folk in high-level security-clearance type jobs over the years to know you often don't just walk away. But I suppose I'm expecting tv to be too much like real life-- because you're right, a lot of people do seem to come and go for plot convenience on that show.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Right -- they let Kavanagh leave! Talk about a security risk!
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Indeed. I never understood that...
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Well, that answers that-- she's put in for a transfer but is not gone yet, and now he knows what he did wrong... I still think it could go either way.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
I must say, "Trio" annoyed the heck out of me.


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It was pretty much an annoying and juvenile episode. It didn't really develop any characters, as we found out that Sam's better at physical things than Rodney (gasp!), Rodney's really just a junior high boy, and Keller, when she's not cowering, is suddenly cool (though I am totally using that bar trick ). And what was with the Zelenka-bashing? Totally unnecessary. Sure, he's a bit odd, but aren't they all?

I am looking forward to seeing Teal'c again, though I'm a bit worried lest the episode be as craptastic as this one was. Wraith + Ronan usually equals goodness, though, so I'm cautiously optimistic.


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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Okay, I totally liked that episode. So there.

Of course, I'm also a fan of "Urgo", so, you know, obviously my tastes are different from some's.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
"Urgo"... maybe has some redeeming qualities? I'll admit it's pretty low on my list of favorites, but the unabashed glee at the defibrillator amuses me.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
KQ must be my secret Stargate soulmate. I love Urgo.

"Is it, defibrillating now?"
"Can you resist this?"

"He's didn't mean it!"
"It was not his intention."

"Me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me."

Hehe, it just cracks me up. I like a lot of the sillier episodes. I appreciate Stargate more for the comedy sometimes than anything else.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Yeah, the one thing I really wanted to see in this episode, even though it would have been out of place, was

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Carter going in and making sure those kids got the butt-whooping of their lives from their parents.

Maybe in a future ep.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Okay, I totally liked that episode. So there.

Of course, I'm also a fan of "Urgo", so, you know, obviously my tastes are different from some's.

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Well, that answers that-- she's put in for a transfer but is not gone yet, and now he knows what he did wrong... I still think it could go either way.

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Nah. Keller seems to like him. And a relationship with one socially inept person has a much better chance than one with two.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Amanda Tapping is making some hints that Continuum could provide the reason for Carter's exit from Atlantis. There's some question that the timeline could be a bit screwy with her coming back for Ark of Truth and Continuum but supposedly still being in charge of Atlantis.

Paul McGillion will be reprising his role as Carson Beckett for five episodes in Season 5.

Tori Higginson has decided not to return to Stargate Atlantis for the fifth season, despite having been offered a few episodes. She's apparently upset at how her role has been changed recently, and from how she phrases it, I'm sort of on her side. She originally signed a six year deal and moved to Vancouver, only to find her role more or less done away with after three years. She's decided to move on. It's unknown whether or not the Replicators will be heard from again any time soon (yay! GET RID OF THEM!)

Leela Sevasta has been cast for the recurring role of Captain Alicia Vega, originally Allison Porter. She's to have no official designation when she arrives in the opening episode "Search and Rescue" but will eventually be leading her own recon offworld team. I guess in Atlantis a Captain can lead a team. She previously played a doctor in the "Tao of Rodney" and has a recurring role in the upcoming season of Battlestar Galactica. And she's cute as a button (by which I also mean hot as the sun, too).

Carl Binder is back on the writing team now that the writer's strike is over, and has already turned in his first script for "Ghost in the Machine," a S5 episode. Speaking of S5 episodes, we have more titles for S5 episodes, other episodes beyond "Search and Rescue:"

2. "The Seed"
3. "Broken Ties"
4. "Whispers"
5. "Ghost in the Machine"
6. "The Daedelus Variations"

No word yet on plots, except that a subsequent script not yet named is supposed to have a lot of Sheppard being beaten up, and that they won't "leave us hanging" on the Replicators, we'll get more on that. The funny thing is, they said it like they were reassuring fans. I was happier when I thought they might let it die.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Maybe they'll kill them in a 3 episode blast that the rest of us will never have to watch again and then let it go. That would be nice.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I'm okay with a big sendoff. Bring in new bad guys. Better bad guys. And I never want to see those useless little tinker toys ever again!
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
An update on the Ronon Dex hair situation, including a picture of the newly dedreaded Jason Momoa.

I think he looks good without them, but they are sort of a defining physical trait of the character. Mallozzi has more or less left the decision of whether or not to keep them up to him. He'll have to go through a lengthy process to have them reattached whenever shooting takes place. The scene has already been written where it will explain the haircut, should he choose to lose the dreads.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Man alive, is he hot.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
That's what Amanda Tapping said on Infanity. (Man, did that make me giggle.)
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
I like the commentary for "Evolution, Part I" where Amanda Tapping says much the same thing about Michael Shanks when he's all dirty and sweaty and in bondage...

... mostly because I was thinking it too.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
In this interview, they asked different main actors who they would want to be if they could be any character on the show. Tapping said (slightly paraphrased), "Ronan, because he's so hot. I would like to just walk around being that hot for a few days." It was just the way she said it.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
I'm not entirely sure I'd want to be him... maybe I could just follow him around all day?
 

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Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
 
Mmmm, new bad guys...

Find new villain, villain kicks ass and is more fearsome than ever, villain pushes heroes right to the edge, albeit not affecting life on Earth all that much (if people even notice), heroes manage to find crazy new superweapon which eliminates villain (in some cases, possibly committing genocide in the process), rinse and repeat.

Star Trek popularized the first three steps with the Borg. Stargate extends that formula with the "superweapon" step.

Who wants to take bets on the next killer superweapon. Human, ancient, Asgard, Wraith, Ori, what will it be?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I still hold out hope for a different kind of bad guy. I've given my speech here before, but I want a complicated bad guy who is obviously on the wrong side of the spectrum, but isn't just evil for the sake of evil, he has other issues, and he might even seem sympathetic at times. We've never had that really. All our bad guys are just incarnations of evil, the Ori, the Goauld, the Replicators, and everything near and in between.

I also wouldn't mind if they expanded the show to actually give some air time to this new bad guy. Rather than just seeing him through the eyes of the heroes, I wouldn't mind him getting his own air time to really flesh the character out. It'd be a big change from the traditional format, but, we've had 13 and a half seasons of different kinds of Stargate, maybe it's time for a fundamental change.
 

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Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
 
I did like that Baal was at least somewhat of a departure from that. I mean, he's still evil, but he has more of a personality beyond that. He's not way over the top like the other Goa'uld. We've even seen some amount of sympathetic portrayals of Wraith (after all, they do need to kill humans to survive).

I wonder what the Tok'ra are up to these days.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
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CARSON!!!!!! I mean, sure, we knew he was coming back, but it's just so wonderful to see him!

This last episode ("Kindred, Part I") felt a bit mashed together, with almost every possible major-ish story line coming together - we were only missing Ford and the replicator Weir. But it was mostly amusing.

(end spoilers)
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Pictures from the season finale of SGA - "The Last Man"

SG1 - Continuum is now expected in July, not the fall. I don't know if I already announced that one.

Michael Shanks has signed on for the mid-season two parter next season. Details and episode titles forthcoming. It will be written by returning writer Martin Gero.

Paul Mullie and Joe Mallozzi will continue to run SGA, and Brad Wright and Rob Cooper will continue to spend the bulk of this year working on Stargate Universe, the ever changing unconfirmed second spinoff. Oh, and S5 of SGA has officially started filming.

Robert Picardo will be in a surprising 14 of 20 episodes next season as Richard Woolsey, the new leader of Atlantis. Likely he won't be in the very first episode, which will be the resolution of the finale from this season, but we'll see. Much as I find him annoying at times, I think having Woolsey in charge will shake things up, potentially for the better, it just depends on how many boneheaded decisions he makes that really piss me off.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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This last episode ("Kindred, Part I") felt a bit mashed together, with almost every possible major-ish story line coming together - we were only missing Ford and the replicator Weir. But it was mostly amusing.

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It won't be a dream sequence or hologram, it will actually be him. Carson is back! (at least temporarily).

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Hrmph.



It was very ultrasound-like. But then again, Michael did say he has to adapt it -- from what, who knows. As to whether or not Wraith carry babies, I guess that depends on whether they are being more human-like or insect-like this week.

I guess if we get 5 Carson episodes next year, the Miracle Drug will indeed be getting synthesized.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Can we kill the frickin' Wraith this season? I'm so sick of them.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
There will be new major bad guys and new major allies introduced in the fifth season (at least one of each, high tech races, the good guys I think were described as a sort of Pegasus Asgard). The replicator storyline isn't dead yet, though I'd say it's on life support. They'll explain what is going on with Weir's survivor Replicators, even if they don't actually show Weir again. And I've seen no signs of the Wraith being killed off yet. It took eight seasons to beat the Goauld, hell, even those useless Genii still get a cameo episode here and there, though thank goodness, far less screen time than they used to get.

I think the Wraith have gotten a tiny, tiny bit more interesting recently, but they still bug me (heh). I think they are fundamentally flawed as bad guys, in that there is almost no way for them to not be utterly annoying and bothersome, though "Todd" was a slight departure. I found him amusing and a formidable opponent at many points. I missed last week's episode, I'll catch it on Friday, but, thus far I haven't been impressed by him.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
But the Goa'ould were COOL bad guys. Please let's not have eight seasons of the Wraith...

I know, I know, they're better than the Replicators (whose idea was it that the Replicators were just so great we needed them in TWO galaxies?) but I get so bored with them. Like you said, they're just so one-sided. Michael was interesting for a while but now he's just getting boring too... Boring and confusing.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 

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But the Goa'ould were COOL bad guys. Please let's not have eight seasons of the Wraith...

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And they had the potential to be hot. The Wraith, not so much.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Oh, one more thing about Kindred, part 2.

The "like a dog's breakfast" comment was AWESOME!
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
One more one more thing. I hadn't realized that Christopher Heyerdahl plays both "Todd" and Halling.

I am very amused.
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
I so want to see Christopher Ecclercson on the show, just one pretty please....
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
So. Tonight's episode, thoughts?

I thought it started out kinda meh, I don't usually like those kinds of episodes, but ended up pretty awesome. And I really liked the Ronon alternate history.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Ugh, I've missed the last two episodes now. I'm fallin behind.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I agree with Lyr on AoT and with kq on the last episode of SGA.

And AoT has some great extras.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 

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Totally? That means you have a crush on Sarah Strange too.

What were the extras? I'll have to Netflix it now.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
It'll be a while 'till you get it then. I've had it at the top of my queue since before it was released and it's gone from "short wait" to "long wait."
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Totally? That means you have a crush on Sarah Strange too.

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You betcha. I'm thrilled she's on Men in Trees.

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I dunno, I liked "200" but "Window of Opportunity" is soooo funny...
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
It's definitely a close second.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Which is second?
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
WoO, for me.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Ah. I'm the other way around-- but it IS close.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
One more thing about AoT: Zombies are overdone. Bleh on the zombie.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Oh it's so hard to say. I've loved WoO for years. 200 was clever and funny, but WoO is old school Stargate hilarious. I think I have to side with WoO, but 200 is a close, CLOSE second.

MEC, they spent the year or two after that battle making newer better weapons. I don't think the Ori were invading them, they were just following the Stargate team there.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
"RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF MY BACKSWING???!!!???" has to be one of the funniest moments EVER on television. To me, anyway.

I should go watch that again.

Well, really, I should sleep while I have a chance. But you know, I don't see that happening. So WoO it is.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
So. Just finished AoT.

There was good and there was bad. And there was cheese. Lots of cheese.

Overall I enjoyed it; I'd say 3.5 stars out of 5.
 

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Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
 
Was there a separate thread for Ark of Truth? I can't find it.

I agree that Window of Opportunity and 200 were terrific episodes. I like The Lost City, too.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
There was but it didn't really last long-- the starter was directed to this thread, where discussion was already happening. So most of our discussion was here.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
There are details for two more episodes of Atlantis' season five: Whispers and Ghost in the Machine.

Stargate Universe, the potential third series, has been pitched to MGM, along with an unnamed third direct to DVD movie. MGM is currently not commenting on either, and has not made a decision on what to do. Sales continue to be strong for Ark of Truth, and they even broke into Amazon's top 10.
 

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Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
 
I saw AoT last night. I would have liked them to have elaborate on the moral issues they spent so much time raising at the begining, but it was a lot of fun. I thought it was a satisfying ending that tied back to their earlier storylines with out being derivative.

I also liked the zombie.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
News! News everywhere! As far as the eye can see, and about every single prong of the Stargate series that there is!

We'll start old school, SG1 News

The makers of Stargate are going to be giving the first episode of SG1 (Children of the Gods) the Star Wars treatment. It'll get new graphics, some scenes (including the full frontal scene) will get the axe, and some scenes will be added. The music will also be rescored. The producers fell it wasn't their best effort and that the writing was weak in some areas as well.

Other SG1 news includes news on Continuum. It will be released on July 29th. That's confirmed. I have some plot details, but I'll leave those out for now, it's nothing Earth shattering.

Now for your Stargate Atlantis news.

July 8th is the release date for Season Four of Atlantis on DVD. Also, the Fifth season of Stargate Atlantis will begin in July, not in the fall.

The sixth episode of S5 will be "The Shrine of Talus" which is being described as a "David Hewlett tour de force," that made Jewel Staite cry. The last time Brad Wright wrote an episode called a "Tour de force" he won a Leo Award.

The mid-season cliffhanger will be the episode where Michael Shanks will guest star (in parts one and two) as Daniel Jackson, and will be called "First Contact." Jackson will arrive at Atlantis looking to research Janus, the guy who froze Weir in isolation back in S1 and gave her the gate addresses to the ZPM worlds. While there, they'll meet one of the new major races to be introduced in S5.

Joe Mallozzi said we will definetely see new alien warships this season, and would not confirm or deny a rumor that a major character would be killed off this season.

Now, DRUMRRRRROOOOOLLLLLLLLLL please!

Stargate Universe news!

Huzzah! And the peasants rejoiced! Long awaited and now it commeth forth, we have early plot details on Stargate Universe, a discussion of where it stands, and what direction we might be going in:

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The experiment is "to send a ship across the universe, and to send one ahead of it to seed the galaxies with Stargates, and that they would one day use the ninth chevron to get there [to the ship]. And that's what Stargate Universe is."

Millions of years ago (before their conflict with the Wraith and possibly even before they moved Atlantis to the Pegasus Galaxy), the show would reveal, the Ancients sent out two ships: an automated vessel to place Stargates throughout multiple galaxies in our universe, and a second ship to follow up and explore.

A standard, 7-symbol gate address allows for travel within the same galaxy. Use of the Stargate's eighth chevron allows for travel to a different galaxy. And the ninth chevron will allow the team to reach this second, still unmanned Ancient ship.

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"Internally, Robert and I are a little bit torn, because we had such a great time making The Ark of Truth and Stargate: Continuum. Making one or two of those a year would be a damn fine thing to do! Honestly, it takes up a big chunk of time writing it, a big chunk of time making it, and then the post on a movie is more than twice as complicated as post on the biggest episodes. So it's not like you can just knock one off while you're making a television show. It's just too much."

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The makers of Stargate are going to be giving the first episode of SG1 (Children of the Gods) the Star Wars treatment. It'll get new graphics, some scenes (including the full frontal scene) will get the axe, and some scenes will be added. The music will also be rescored. The producers fell it wasn't their best effort and that the writing was weak in some areas as well.

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We saw the Ferlings. SG1 blew up their planet, remember?

In seriousness, I'd also like to know what happened there. I've assumed they're extinct, but there ought to be ruins somewhere.

As for SGU, I think that makes sense. The ship is preprogramed to go to certain worlds in a certain order. An SG team gets stationed on the ship and sees where the Ancients meant to go each week. Disaster ensues but is easily solved in 44 minutes and punctuated with witty banter. Lather, rinse, repeat. It could be fun.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 

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Originally posted by ketchupqueen:
I agree. I think there's, like one or two eps in the first season that I would list among my favorites; other than that, meh.

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There are a lot more from S1 that I'd count among my least favorites...
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Amazon is offering four Stargate episodes for free for North America for a limited time.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Dude, and one of them is WoO!
 

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Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
 
Damn you Amazon!

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You must be in the US when you download Unbox videos. You can only download Unbox videos while you're in the United States, even if you're a US citizen overseas. Sorry!

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Excellent episode choices.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Details on "Tracker," another S5 episode.

A look at Stargate Continuum. Which is now available for preorder.

Also available for preorder is S4 of Atlantis.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
*sticks both in cart to await next book order*
 

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Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
 
Will there be any explanation in SG: Universe why the Pegasus stargates are different from the Milky Way and Asgard stargates?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Different in what way?
 

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Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
 
The Pegasus gates have symbols that light up, rather than carved symbols.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
If I had to venture a guess?

The Pegasus gates are newer. The Ancients went to the Pegasus after the Milky Way had long been established. I believe we saw stargates in the Ori galaxy that looked similar to the ones in the Milky Way, which fits because the Ancients came from the Ori galaxy to the Milky Way, and then went to the Pegasus, and I'd imagine the galaxy of Ida where the Asgard were, though I can't remember what the Asgard gates look like, or if they are different.

The symbols are obviously different because they are in different networks, and the symbols refer to different points in different galaxies so, that makes sense to me. But if I had to guess I'd say that the Pegasus gates are newer, so they bumped it up to the new light up versions that don't actually have to spin, they just light up. It's Gate 2.0.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Some fun news and some spicy casting news today.

First off, the next time you hit a casino, you might see a Stargate slot machine.

In my favorite news recently, I've posted before about a new recurring character, Captain Alicia Vega, who was originally Alicia Porter (I think), well the other character has been brought back as Dr. Alison Porter, and she will be played by Ezri Dax, I mean Nicole de Boer! Boer played the second Dax on ST:DS9 and played a recurring role on The Dead Zone.

Vega's role will be as the leader of a new recon team, an ALL female recon team, an all female recon team that happens to be pleasantly attractive. The team sounds like a nice mix of funny, hard knuckled, geeky, and very hot. I think it'd get goofy after awhile if they were the lead team we saw every week, though I think I'd get over it, but they could be a very cool addition to the larger team.

The "Shrine of Talus" has been renamed "The Shrine" apparently for copyright reasons. And the second half of the Mid-season two parter is called "The Lost Tribe." That will of course come after the episode, I think, where Daniel will meet the new race for the season. Exciting stuff before I even see plots for the episodes!
 

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Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
 
I'm a Stargate SG-1 newbie, and I've been working my way through the episodes. I'm up to 3.08, "Demons," and for the first time I want to throttle Daniel. The only way I can continue to believe anything is by telling myself that Daniel is only an archaeologist, and an Egyptian archaeologist, at that.

Because he's talking crap the whole episode. The inscription at the beginning? I highly doubt it's pre-Chaucer. I didn't even see any thorn! The letter forms are all wrong. And the "witch tests" wouldn't have been present in a "pre-Chaucer" society. Not to mention Daniel's lack of math skills: a society from ~998AD would not have Middle English.

Can we go back to ancient myths now, please?
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Don't worry. He'll die later as penance.

Seventeen times.
 

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Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
 
Nah, he's already died a couple times. A few more won't be much penance.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
"Few" nothing.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
It ain't Stargate if Daniel ain't dying.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Dying AND coming back to life, otherwise Season 6 wouldn't exist.
 

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Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
 
I find it amusing when certain sci-fi shows have one particular character that dies and comes back, repeatedly.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I can't find the little cartoony video of Daniel's deaths. Any of y'all know where it is? (Or have it saved somewhere?)
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Some updates,

First off, this is the current episode list and order for S5, some with recently revealed details:

1. Search and Rescue
2. The Seed
3. Broken Ties
4. The Daedalus Variations
5. Ghost in the Machine
6. The Shrine
7. Whispers
8. Tracker
9. The Queen
10. First Contact
11. The Lost Tribe
12. Amort
13. Inquisition
14-20 have yet to be announced.

Episode 4, if you click on the link is described as a "wild romp" that takes place mostly on board the ship and has a lot of special effects. The idea sounds like it could be fun.

Robert Picardo has said in an interview that Woolsey will be reinvented and will get a lot of character growth in Season Five. That ought to be interesting. Jewel Staite has been promoted to a series regular on Atlantis, so we should see a lot more of Dr. Keller.

Last but not lease, a teaser trailer for Continuum.

I'll add this about the trailer: Hot damn! On effects alone it looks pretty spectacular.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Details on the ninth episode of S5: The Queen.
 

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Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
 

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Originally posted by rivka:
I can't find the little cartoony video of Daniel's deaths. Any of y'all know where it is? (Or have it saved somewhere?)

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His robot double just died. That doesn't count.

I'd love to see the video, though.
 

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Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
 
Since no one I know in real life has ever watched Stargate, Hatrack is the lucky recipient of my thoughts along the way.

I'd love to meet Christopher Judge in real life. I bet he has a great sense of humour. If I ever hear of him at a nearby Con, I'll probably go for that alone.

And my other thought right now is wondering if anyone else noticed the lisp Michael Shanks picked up somewhere in Season 5. Where did that come from all of a sudden?
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Chris Judge was an absolute sweetheart. I met him at ComicCon a couple years ago, and he was a big teddy bear. So was Torri Higginson, for that matter (and all the other cool people I met there ).
 

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Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
 
I'm still sad that Torri Higginson wasn't given a bigger role in Atlantis. She's probably my favorite from the Atlantis cast.
 

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Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
 
EL - You should see A Dog's Breakfast. It's a rather strange low-budget comedy by Hewlett, Hewlett, and dog. Chris Judge makes a hilarious cameo.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Seconded!
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Claudia Black is guest starring on May 16th's episode of Moonlight.

Cover art for S4 of Atlantis DVD is out.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Cover art for Continuum is out.

Brad Wright, the captain at the helm of the SG movies says that RDA is a MUST for Stargate movies. The proposed third SG movie will be an O'Neill-centric movie, but there is some concern that they won't be able to get enough of the rest of the cast back together. Tapping is doing Sanctuary, and Shanks and Judge are doing Rage of Angels, which ties people up. Wright really wants to do another movie, but I guess now it will depend on people's schedules.

New episode titles have been revealed for the next season:

11: of course is "Lost Tribe" the second part of the two parter with Michael Shanks.
12: "Inquisition" which is by a newbie script writer, Alex Levine.
13: "Outsiders"
14: "Prodigal," which is like "The Other Guys," in that it's about characters other than the main characters.
15: All written out, then Martin Gero said he hated it and scrapped it.
16: "Remnants"

Robert Moloney and the actress who played Fran (Rodney's home made replicator) will be in "Ghost in the Machine," the fifth episode of the upcoming season.

Plot details have been revealed for the mid-season two parter, but frankly it sounds sort of weak. Todd will capture the Apollo, which is all dolled up with the fanciest new technology and Asgard weapons that we have. A couple people are still at large and others are trying to find a secret Lantean lab that has a superspecial device on it. But I'm fuzzy on where the new race we're supposed to meet in here comes to play. I guess we'll see.

Apparently there is some sort of audio download episode of Stargate that is read by the actors but it's really a book on tape? I'm not sure what this is, but apparently it's a book that features Vala and Daniel that takes place during the 10th Season, and it's read by Shanks and Black.

Okay, I just listened to the audio sample and I have three thoughts:

1. Claudia Black is a fantastic narrator.
2. Her and Michael Shanks are just as funny foils for each other with just audio as they are on screen.
3. It's actually fairly entertaining, to the point where I'd really consider buying it if the price weren't outrageous. Why can't it just be an audio download? Charge $5 and be done with it. I'm not paying the equivilant of almost a whole SEASON of Stargate for ONE really really well done book on tape.

Okay, I just did some more checking...apparently there is a whole series of these things all done as voice acting. The actors play narrators telling a story in the past tense with music in the background. In the first one. 1.1, Jackson is the narrator and character told from a first person point of view. Evidently after awhile they ARE available for download for $8. (Jackson does a really funny impression of Don Davis too).

The stories take place all over the place, 1.1 "Gift of the Gods" takes place during Season 3. 1.2 "Necessary Evil" is an Atlantis episode done by Torri Higginson as Weir during the fourth season of Atlantis. Then we come to 1.3, "Shell Game" in which Claudia Black is the main narrator as Vala, but it guest starts Michael Shanks as Daniel.

There's a whole series of these things planned, 1.4, "Perchance to Dream," features Carson Beckett as the main character and narrator, in 1.5 "Pathogen," it's Dr. Janet Fraiser, and in 1.6 "Zero Point," it's Zalenka. I like that they alternate between shows and pull in lesser known characters for some of these later (episodes? Bookisodes? Audiosodes? I'm going with audiosodes) audiosodes.

1.3 "Shell Game" is available for preorder now, as 1.1 and 1.2 are already out and the others are all available for preorder. When Shell Game hits the $8 download stage, I'll seriously consider getting it. I hope they do an RDA/MS one in the future. That'd be awesome.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
As an addendum, I looked up the company who does these things, and it's Big Finish Productions, which is a British company that apparently does a lot of "Audio plays" for British cult favorites and productions, and is most famous for their Doctor Who plays, for which they are most known and their download service (DRM free) is a recent thing.

There are only six plays planned for now. I guess further plays depend on how good the sales are.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Can you point us to a list of audio downloads available or something? *is kinda lazy and typing one-handed while nursing a baby*
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
My bad, I thought I linked it. Oh, you can get to it through the "Okay I just listened..." link above, but here's a more direct link to the list of episodes current and planned.

If you click on the individual episodes it'll tell you a summary, where it fits in the chronology, how long it is, and you can listen to a short snippet.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
thanks!
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Jason Mamoa has said in a recent interview that he thinks he only has one more season of Atlantis left in him. He probably means a sixth season, since S5 is almost done filming. No word yet on there will even be a S6, or even a S7, so it's premature, but if there is, Ronon Dex might not be there, and part of me thinks that might be a decent time to consider ending the show. It's really been so much better since he got there, and I start to wonder how it could be good if he left.

The episode "Inquisition" in S5 of Atlantis has been described as a clip show, where the Atlantis team is tricked into standing trial for their exploits and their role in unleashing the Wraith on the galaxy. Woolsey will come to their defense as more or less their lawyer.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Apparently Ronon's dreads will be staying in place. They came up with a sort of wig for him to wear that will consist of his own former hair, but won't be regrowing it, and they won't have to sew it back in, which he says was torture.

There might be news in the next week or two on Stargate Universe. The people in charge say doing two movies a year and two series will be impossible. Really they say even doing two series at a time is hard, but all of it is a non-starter. But now that things are back on track, MGM will be making a decision on whether to push the next movie or begin work on the new show. Apparently they didn't expect Atlantis to last as long as it has, and Universe might get pushed until Atlantis is done, which might even be at the end of this season, we'll see. But either way they'll announce their decision soon.

Brad Wright, during an interview for Continuum said that when the Air Force, long a contributor and helper for the making of SG, found out that the Navy offered the USS Alexandria, a nuclear powered sub, for help in the making of the movie, the Air Force upped the ante by offering two F-15 Strike Eagles for the movie as well. The competitive nature of the military branches certainly works out well for the viewers .

The aforementioned audio download audiosode "Shell Game" with Claudia Black as Vala and narrating with Michael Shanks is now available for order and for download.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
Apparently Ronon's dreads will be staying in place. They came up with a sort of wig for him to wear that will consist of his own former hair, but won't be regrowing it, and they won't have to sew it back in, which he says was torture.

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Ah, the Gates solution.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Don S. Davis passed away.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Aw that's horrible. He'll be sorely missed.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 


I knew his health wasn't great, but this is till rather a shock.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Not to take away from the respect to DSD...but there's some news to report from the show (which is only a week and change away from it's fifth season premier).

The episode list for the season has been mostly set.

From the brief synposis's of episodes, this season looks pretty cool, including a two episode run from Michael Shanks, a new team being introduced, an increased role for Major Lorne, the new team members getting some big screen time, Paul McGillion returning as Carson for five episodes, and my favorite, Kate Hewlett will retun as Jeannie Miller (McKay's sister) in The Shrine, the sixth episode of the season.

The downside for the season? The Genii are back! Gyah! Just when you thought the worst was over! I'm looking forward to the new races, and some of the Star Trek like twists on the episodes that are being done. It looks like this season more that many previous ones is a lot of stand alone episodes and not much plot arc stuff.

All in all, I think we're in for an exciting season. From what I've been reading, showrunner Joe Mallozzi is pretty hopeful about a renewal for Season Six. Apparently their ratings in "key demographics" are really good. Personally I'm ready for the show to start winding down to get on with the movies and the third series. I like plot arc shows, and SGA only spends a token amount of time on advancing a prolonged plot. I might sing a different tune by the end of season though.

Enjoy, 8 days to go.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I like stand-alones. I love Jeannie and Carson. But I hate the Genii. Blech.
 

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Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
 

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Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
Personally I'm ready for the show to start winding down to get on with the movies and the third series.

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Third series?

Oh, and I'm glad we'll see more of McKay's sister!
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Stargate Universe, Corwin. They'll hopefully be announcing its immediate fate in the near future. I think it's likely that it's going to be pushed for a year or two in favor of more directo to DVD movies, but I can always hold out hope.

Like I said though, this season of Atlantis looks a bit different than what we've had in the past, and I'm ready and waiting to be pleasantly impressed by it.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Spoilers


I like happy endings.

But. I am so NOT enthused about Woolsey, I just don't like his smarminess. (And as KPC said, "But Amanda Tapping is so much hotter than him!" I agree, FTR. )
 

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Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
 
I finished watching continuum a couple nights ago. I thought it was pretty good, the last movie definitely felt as if they had a ideas for a season and wanted to put them all into a movie, and this felt more like one of the classic two or tree part episodes. The one thing that I just can't get out of my head though is...

[spoilers]

What happened to Anubis in the alternate time line?

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Can't answer your question, MEC, as I haven't seen it yet.

I just wanted to pop in here and say how big of a Woolsey fan I've become since he took charge of Atlantis. He, in commanding Atlantis, just works for me, in a way that Carter never did.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Hmmm. I'm liking him more-- but because they did allow the character to change some. I still do not like him, but I dislike him less, I guess.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Brad Wright, who was at the helm of the Stargate series and now the movies has hinted that the next Stargate movie could be about revealing the Stargate program to the world.

He says the idea has been in the back of his mind for years and that he thinks it is big enough for a movie. Sounds awesome! Especially if they could deal with the fallout either in the next series or in episodes of Atlantis.
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 

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Originally posted by MEC:
I finished watching continuum a couple nights ago. I thought it was pretty good, the last movie definitely felt as if they had a ideas for a season and wanted to put them all into a movie, and this felt more like one of the classic two or tree part episodes. The one thing that I just can't get out of my head though is...

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What happened to Anubis in the alternate time line?

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Scoop!

This season of Atlantis is the last.

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NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Doctor Who will be back for another series next year, yes? That will help fill that hole a bit...
 

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Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
 
Actually, Who is taking 2009 off and will return in 2010.
 

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Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
 
Who will have like 4 episodes though.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Oh, that's right. Got my dates mixed up.
 

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Posted by Sachiko (Member # 6139) on :
 
There's a New Who?

^^--been without cable for three years and gets her shows from Netflix

How did I not hear about that? I watched Dr. Who all the time as a kid.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Hold onto your hats people, I've got news aplenty!

As has already been said, Stargate Atlantis will be done after this fifth season. They were a little surprised given their ratings were so strong this season thus far, but they feel like they are going out on a high note, and it's hardly the end. Joe Mallozzi has said that contrary to what the press releases have been saying, Atlantis will NOT be ending on a cliffhanger, to be cleared up with the 2 hour movie. He said Atlantis will get a clean ending at the end of this season, and they have some great ideas for the movie, which will apparently be a standalone movie.

SG-1 will be getting a third movie for sure, and it's again rumored that the plot of the movie could be that the Stargate program is revealed to the world, and I've already said that I love that idea but I'll say it again.

That leaves us with the big news obvously: Stargate Universe is a go!

Here's the press release

Or you can read below for the most important parts:

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SCI FI Channel and MGM Television Entertainment have reached an agreement to extend MGM's Stargate brand with a new series for the Channel. Production on the first season of Stargate Universe, a weekly series based on the popular Stargate franchise, will begin in early 2009, with the show targeted to premiere that Summer. Brad Wright and Robert Cooper, co-creators of Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis and who both currently serve as executive producers on Atlantis, will serve as executive producers and writers on the new series.

After unlocking the mystery of the Stargate's ninth chevron, a team of explorers travels to an unmanned starship called the Destiny, launched by The Ancients at the height of their civilization as a grand experiment set in motion, but never completed.

What starts as a simple reconnaissance turns into a never ending mission, as the Stargate Universe crew discovers the ship is unable to return to Earth, and they must now fend for themselves aboard the Destiny.

The crew will travel to the far reaches of the universe, connecting with each of the previously launched Stargates, thus fulfilling the Destiny's original mission. Challenges will arise though as the ship comes into range of Stargates placed centuries ahead of the Destiny and the crew is unable to control the ship's navigational schedule. If someone is left behind, there is no way to go back for them, adding to the drama of encountering new races, enemies and adventures.

Stargate Universe will debut as a two-hour movie event on SCI FI. Following its premiere, Universe will assume a regular hourly slot in Summer 2009.

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Now there seems to already be some confusion on a major plot point. Read more here, and here if you want. But they say that the Destiny is a massive Ancient vessel that was sent out to the far reaches of the galaxy to seed the planets with stargates, and that a second ship would follow to explore them. The problem with that I think is that they are supposed to be on the seeding ship, not the exploring ship, unless millions of years later the ship is just looping back around for another lap?

The plot sounds neat, but has a ton of potential plot holes in it. A couple other things if you skipped the links, but, they want a big name actor a la RDA via SG-1 and then fill out the roster with smaller named actors. And they want this to be a show geared more towards younger viewers to bring in a new generation (which to me means more explosions and battles in space).

But wow so many plot hole possibilities. I mean how many people are going to be stuck on the ship? It can't stay away forever, is it going to be like Voyager? How will they form lasting relationships if gates keep going out of range? The whole "omg they're going to be lost out of range!" seems silly when one gate can zip anyone across the galaxy. They only need more power for extra-galactic travel. So is the ship constantly moving between galaxies? It's going to be interesting to see how this is all worked out, and this is the team that made SG-1, so I have faith, but sooo many potential pitfalls. I'm intrigued. I'll certainly watch. I feel like Atlantis was an awesome idea that maybe went sour kind of fast (mostly because the Wraith and the Genii were AWFUL villains). I think Universe is a cool idea, and I fear a similar fate. But if they can get a rapport going like Daniel and Jack had, I'll be hooked from the start. They said they wanted more focus on characters and relationships and less on plot so much, so maybe we'll get just that.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
I feel like it's really just going to be Stargate: Voyager. And really, I'm a bit confused by the ninth chevron thing - if it reaches this ship that the Ancients constructed "at the height of their civilization," what did it do beforehand?

Maybe it'll be okay.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Well, for all we know, the gates were invented at the height of their civilization. Besides, it's possible that the ninth chevron in general allows for travel to other spaceships, maybe just like with the galactic chevron that you can change to take you to Ida or Atlantis' galaxy, you can go to different ships all over the galaxy by programming the gates the right way.

I'm worried about the Voyager thing too, but remember Atlantis was trapped for a whole year. I'm sure they'll figure out a way to at the very least contact home quickly. Earth Battlecruisers are pretty hardy too, they can travel across galaxies in a couple weeks, I'm sure they could dispatch one to rendezvous with the Destiny. I think it'll just take a season or two to happen.

Besides, so long as the characters are better than Voyager's, that'll make all the difference.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 

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Originally posted by Sachiko:
There's a New Who?

^^--been without cable for three years and gets her shows from Netflix

How did I not hear about that? I watched Dr. Who all the time as a kid.

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I really don't know how you missed it. I grew up on the Fourth Doctor (reruns on PBS) and I adore the new Doctor Who.

You can watch all of season 1's episodes (but not special features) on Watch Instantly on Netflix and seasons 1-3 are available for rental on Netflix. Torchwood is a more, ahem, adult spinoff and seasons 1-3 are also available on Netflix. (Language and sex. I'm in the middle of it now. It reminds me of a cross between the new Doctor Who and the first few seasons of The X-Files, so far, but with more swearing, lots of sex-- not necessarily on-screen SEX but allusions to it-- and of course, in Wales.) The Sarah Jane Adventures isn't on Netflix yet, but you can save it, it's another spinoff of the new series.

Also, may I recommend you find the thread where we all listed the e-mails we've signed up for Netflix under, so we can friend each other? I know my whole Netflix Friends list is filled with folks from Hatrack, we'd love to have you and send/recieve Movie Notes to you.

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Oh I also forgot to mention, about the Atlantis movie, Joe Mallozzi mentioned a gaunt, pallid guest star, which I took to mean that an Ancient would be making a guest appearance on the show.

Fingers crossed, but from the way he said it, and his excitement, I'm hoping that means Sarah Strange will be coming back as Morgan Lefay. I'm hoping she'll have beat Adria or something and come back for a victory lap

Edit to add: I just got caught up on the first few episodes of Atlantis, since I'd only seen "The Seed" so far this season and wow, not bad. I just finished watching "The Shrine," which I think just easily worked it's way into the top 10 all time for Stargate episodes, and that includes SG-1. Amazing episode, and not just because my favorite guest star Kate Hewlett was there. Well written, well executed, well put together, well timed, fantastically acted, and I even got a little misty eyed at the end. Usually I'm more drawn to the episodes that have great plot advancement, or cool battles, or the really funny ones, but this was sad and sobering for the most part, and it's my favorite in recent memory.

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Sci-Fi Channel's Dave Howe talks about the direction of Stargate Universe

It looks like they aren't just planning on reaching a younger demographic, they're looking at it as some sort of Stargate/Battlestar Galactica hybrid to take up the slack from both shows going off the air. I think it could work, in a way. I don't think Stargate being more dramatic a la BSG would hurt anything, but they can't lose their sense of humor. I'm sure there's a balance they could find that would be very cool.
 

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Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
Did anybody else notice the name of the new doctor played by the 2nd Dax from DS9?

Cutest. Porter. Ever.

[ September 09, 2008, 11:04 AM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I can't remember her name Nicole Deboer or something like that?. Is her role on The Dead Zone over? I would've thought that show had been cancelled by now, which would explain the move.

I missed last week's episode. I was all caught up too.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
New Atlantis villain to be debuted on the midseason two parter. What's going to suck is if they FINALLY get a halfway decent bad guy, only to end the show. Plus we were promised a new ally too.

Stargate Universe is to begin filming on February 4th 2009. They are already working on the sets, casting and scripts. So it's actually far ahead of where Atlantis was at this point.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Hmmm. I'm liking him more-- but because they did allow the character to change some. I still do not like him, but I dislike him less, I guess.

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Almost caught up (everything but 5x08), and I agree. I still like Carter better, but I'm getting to see more of the Picardo I like, and Woolsey is growing on me a bit.

Plus the doors-shutting-in-his face bit never gets old. He actually is a pretty good sport.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Not that I've ever been a huge fan of the SGA intro, but what's the deal with yanking it?
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
(Because two posts in a row from me just isn't enough.)

After watching 6 episodes today, I'm not terribly sad about SGA going away. Only one of the six was really good; a couple were fairly good; a couple more were ok; and one was truly AWFUL.

For bonus points, guess which ones were which.
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
to me theyre all good.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 

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Casting calls have gone out for the third series' main characters, and today the short character break-downs arrived at GateWorld.

Note that while this information doesn't come from our usual source of casting sides, it does come from a source with a proven track record. But until we have more solid confirmation, it should be considered rumor.

As anticipated, the team is led by an older veteran officer, Colonel Everett Young. Young is described as "like the Jack O'Neill of ten years ago, but Young's edges have tended to sharpen over time." The show's producers are looking to cast an established, "name" actor in this role.

The rest of the cast of characters is made up of young men and women, mostly in their early to mid twenties. (Keep in mind that when Stargate SG-1 began in 1997, Michael Shanks was also in his twenties.)

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Further breakdown of what will be the full cast.

Interesting.
 

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Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
 
Tamara Johanson sounds like a fun character, but the rest come off as stereotypes. I hope the actors and writers end up with some meat to work with.
 

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Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
 
Hmmmm, it sounds like they learned mixed lessons from Atlantis.
No more token alien, but then it seems like several cast members could suffer from Aiden Ford syndrome (i.e. uninteresting young brash thing)

Tamara Johanson sounds like an inexperienced spin on Jewel Staite's character on Atlantis since that seems to have worked out ok. I don't look forward to the contrivances that would bring a US Senator (and his daughter) onto a dangerous mission to an intergalactic starship. Eli Hitchcock is like a young MacKay and could suffer from Wesley Crusher syndrome (...anything he puts his mind to... oy). Jared Nash and Stasiak could work out to be uninteresting Fords.

I wonder if they ended up picking one character from a previous show to bridge the gap, particularly someone familiar with Ancient technology.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I've read several Q&As with either Brad Wright or Joe Mallozzi and they all stress that there's a lot more to these descriptions than meets the eye, and that this will be unlike either of the previous Stargate shows. He stressed specifically that it won't be "Voyager 90210." In other words, more character interactions and development, but not in a cheesy sort of way.

I'm not worried about stereotypes. By now everything is a stereotype. What matters is what they do with them, and I have faith in the team working on it. We'll get more details I'm sure in the weeks to come.
 

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Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
 
I just finished watching "Tracker", the latest episode. I was expecting the runner they found to pretend to go through the gate by teleporting just before going through.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I haven't seen "First Contact" yet, I'll be watching that later tonight.

But I have here a major, ginormous, HUGE, GIANT SPOILER for what will happen in the second half, "The Lost Tribe."

GIANT GIANT GIANT HUGE MASSIVE SPOILER!!!!

I won't even say anything about it until people choose whether or not to view the link, but it's a WHOPPER. The title of the episode apparently totally fits.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Where is the MASSIVE JAW DROPPING graemlin? Wow, I definitely didn't see that coming. At all.

WOW.

I'm going to go watch that again.

(Also, I love the silence during the reveal. Well done, editors!)
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Second the silence, that was very well done.

I just finished watching "First Contact," and wow. They've managed to totally change the dynamic of the show very, very quickly. Now I'm wishing it wasn't ending!
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Daaaaaaaang.
 

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Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
 
Holy crap. I did not see that coming. I never would have guessed that. Hell, I would've guessed "Furlings" before that. wow.

What I'm wondering after the end of "First Contact", is Zelenka still alive? I'd be pretty pissed if we have another "Beckett Explosion Death". If I'd have to guess I think Shepperd might ascend and descend to save everyone.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
I bet Zelenka did something to the shield just in time to save him and the Colonel. He's just that good.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I think Carrie's is much more likely than MEC's. I don't think Sheppard is really the ascension type.

I'm betting Zalenka couldn't contain the blast so he moved the shield to save the two of them at the expense of the control room (how the heck are they going to fix THAT?).
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Amanda Tapping is rumored but unconfirmed to be in the last episode of Atlantis, the next SG1 movie and the first Atlantis movie, both of which are currently being written and will be filmed concurrently next Spring/Summer.

Continuum and Ark of Truth will be aired on Sci-Fi in the Winter of next year I think.

I'm expecting both plot details for the next movies and for SGU, and casting info, in the next couple weeks.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Not that I've ever been a huge fan of the SGA intro, but what's the deal with yanking it?

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I've decided I don't mind. One less thing to fast-forward through.

I caught up last night, watching both Remnants and Brain Storm.

S P O I L E R S !



Remnants wasn't great, but it was not bad. And I have to say, if they HAD to bring what's-his-name back, this was the least painful way to do so. And the line that John tortures himself every day was well done. And quite true, as were some of the other insights. And I really liked the end bit about Zelenka.

2.75 out of 5. Almost a solid 3.


Brain Storm, OTOH, was AWESOME!!! 4.5 out of 5, and that mostly because the pacing was somewhat uneven. Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson were both great. (Although when did Dave Foley become Creepy Stalker Guy? That's like the third show I've seen him on recently be weird and smarmy on. He was sweet and likable and only somewhat annoying on News Radio! Now I want him locked away, for the good of the society! )

And yay! FINALLY!


(Amusingly, while double-checking something, I found someone who hated the ep pretty much exactly for the reasons I loved it.)
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I haven't seen most of the newer episodes yet. The last thing I saw was the two parter with Michael Shanks.

I'm guessing Neil deGrasse Tyson was there as himself, which would be awesome for a couple reasons. One, I loved it when they referenced him in an earlier episode when they were playing "Who would you rather." I think that was "Trio." And because I just love Neil deGrasse Tyson. He's wonderfully engaging and brimming with enthusiasm for his work that I see few people matching. I think when people love what they do, it's much easier for them to make others love it as well. I had little interest in anything involving astronomy or astrophysics before I saw him on the Colbert Report a couple times, and then I bought "Death by Black Hole," some of which was way over my head, but I still greatly enjoyed it. Then I took an actual astronomy class in college for my science gen ed credit, which was just awesome. My mind was in a constant state of blown in that class.

Anywho, now I've really got to get caught up with this after finals next week. I need to get caught up with the latest news for Universe too. They should have some casting done by now, and more production shots of the sets. Filming starts in just a couple months.
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
Seeing Bill Nye the Science Guy on SGA blew my mind, it was the ultimate geek moment for me.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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I'm guessing Neil deGrasse Tyson was there as himself, which would be awesome for a couple reasons. One, I loved it when they referenced him in an earlier episode when they were playing "Who would you rather." I think that was "Trio."

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He was, it was, and there were several oblique references to that earlier reference.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Haven't been here in a month, but then I usually check my Stargate rumor mills more often than this.

As many of you know, the finale for Atlantis is this Friday. I'm about a year behind on Atlantis, so I have no idea what's going on, but the cast and crew are all very proud of it.

There's already talk of a double feature SG1 movie and Atlantis movie, so those will move ahead on schedule. Universe is set to start filming in less than a month. Many of the sets have already been constructed and more are being worked on as we speak.

Casting has already begun, and thus far the only actor I see being named is famed Scottish born actor Robert Carlyle. He's been in a ton of stuff, and apparently the creator of Doctor Who said something to the effect of "what? has his agent actually WATCHED Stargate?" when he found out. Maybe he's just pissed that he can't get him for Dr. Who now. Either way I remember him from a couple things, so that should be cool, he's a good actor, crazy range. There should still be another mildly big named actor to play the lead, but things may have changed since then.

I'll post more updates when I can.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I have only one word about the finale. GAH!!! >_<

As for Vegas, the second to last one, what the heck was that?!? That entire horrible thing, just to excuse the weak signal that only one Wraith ship would pick up on? Surely we could come up with something that WASN'T like a really bad CIS episode?

But the finale . . . ! Someone said, "We need to have Atlantis land on Earth, and fight off the Wraith, and someone needs to die -- only not really. And the Wraith have to be even scarier than usual, BUT not so many of them that Earth loses. Oh, and can we visit the SGC? Let's have Sam, and Major Davis, and Walter! And a teary memorial for Don Davis!

"We can fit all that in, right?"


 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
My thoughts exactly.
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 

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I have only one word about the finale. GAH!!! >_<

As for Vegas, the second to last one, what the heck was that?!? That entire horrible thing, just to excuse the weak signal that only one Wraith ship would pick up on? Surely we could come up with something that WASN'T like a really bad CIS episode?

But the finale . . . ! Someone said, "We need to have Atlantis land on Earth, and fight off the Wraith, and someone needs to die -- only not really. And the Wraith have to be even scarier than usual, BUT not so many of them that Earth loses. Oh, and can we visit the SGC? Let's have Sam, and Major Davis, and Walter! And a teary memorial for Don Davis!

"We can fit all that in, right?"

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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Going out with a bang

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That was not going out with a bang. That was a drawn-out whimper.

(Or maybe that was coming from me.)
 

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Posted by Stephan (Member # 7549) on :
 
It should have been a two-parter, explain things better and so forth.
 

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Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
 
Reminded me of the last episode of Voyager really, with the random plot developments and arbitrary return to Earth.
 

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Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
 
Wow, you watched until the end of Voyager?
 

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Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
 
Amazing, isn't it?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 

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Going out with a bang

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That was not going out with a bang. That was a drawn-out whimper.

(Or maybe that was coming from me.)

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Somehow I pictured you as more of an exasperated sigh type.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
That too.


This was so much WORSE than the last episode of Voyager (which I kind of like)!
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 

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Let's have Sam, and Major Davis, and Walter! And a teary memorial for Don Davis!

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Hey, now. I love Walter! Seeing him always makes things happier.

The only tolerable part of the last two episodes were the various Trek references that Robert Picardo got to deliver. Other than that (well, okay, and Detective Sheppard's nice tight jeans...), they felt like rather below-average episodes. The VOY finale was at least somewhat compelling (if one watched the whole series, as I did); this, I watched more out of obligation than anything else.

Ah, well. At least I've got BSG to look forward to.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
I love Walter too. If they had only gone for the part you quoted -- instead of piling it in on everything else -- I would have been pretty happy.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I'm not going to do a bunch of links, but if anyone wants to head over to Gateworld, there is a bunch of news on the cast of the new Stargate Universe, which is pretty much set now from all appearances (which is good since filming starts on February 5th!).

There is also news on the new Atlantis movie, which will be released in 2010. The plot will in some way center around what to do with Atlantis now that it is off the cost of San Fran, and how to deal with an IOA that is unlikely to want to let it go.

The new SG1 movie will also come out in 2010, and the plots are being batted around, but apparently the plot of revealing the Stargate program to the world is still in the running. The only real news there is that RDA will be a lead actor, not a guest role like on Continuum, so plenty of face time.

The only other news it that Universe was pushed back from a Summer release to a Fall release. They decided to compete with the big boys rather than secure the Summer doldrums.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
First off, I'm not sure if this was in the last batch of news I posted or not, but Lou Diamond Phillips is going to be the other lead opposite Robert Carlyle (and also Ming Na from er). A couple respectably decent big names for the show.

Casting is done now of course, and filming has been ongoing for the last month. Already there is a teaser trailer for the show, can you guess the theme?

If you said "dark" you answered correctly. Yeah, it is noticeably darker than previous shows. The showrunners have said that they don't intend for the show to be a replacement for BSG, but that they did want to take a more plot arc oriented, serious tone with it than with previous shows. I sort of see it as aiming for a BSG/SG1 hybrid, where they keep the character development (Such as it was at times) and some of the humor but add long standing plot arcs and more serious issues.

There are already episode titles and some sketchy descriptions of the first few episodes up, but I've chosen not to spoil myself beyond a very, very basic outline of what the plot is supposed to be (Lost in Space 2.0!). With BSG and Atlantis gone, SGU is my only hope for a solid Sci-Fi fix that doesn't involve watching dozens of seasons of Dr. Who to get caught back up. Besides, I want my sci-fi in space, and preferably with battles. So I'm going to try to keep up my hopes that it will be decent.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
arg.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
First episode is this Friday night.

Full length trailer of what's in store

It looks good. It's not BSG, it's not traditional Stargate, it's not Voyager (well, it's a LITTLE Voyager), it's a bit of all of them from the looks of things. I might start a new thread on Friday for discussion of the show, unless people are happy with reanimating this one.

There's tons of news, reviews, blah blah blah at Gateworld, but I didn't feel like posting all of it. Check it out if you're interested.
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
It looks pretty meh to me. Not as much my style.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
The only thing that makes me nervous style wise is them describing the filming style as being like "Cloverfield," which I'm not really a big fan of.

But I'm going to give it a chance. Atlantis started off extremely rocky in my opinion. SG1 was only as good as it was to most people becasue of the interactions between the four main characters, most especially Jack and Daniel. It was the chemistry that kept people coming back. Atlantis didn't really get good until it was nearly canceled, mostly I think due to extremely wooden acting (though I thought Jason Momoa was better than Christopher Judge in the role he was assigned, and I thought David Hewlett was brilliant). They didn't have that chemistry. It only got better when they made some big cast changes.

I'm hoping that SGU, while incorporating darker elements and a rougher (more modern I suppose) sci-fi feel to the show, doesn't lose track of the chemistry that brought people in to begin with. They say they're focusing on character interactions with the show, so we'll see.

I've read some surprisingly rave and glowing reviews for the first few episodes. To be honest, I really didn't think people would take to it that much, but a lot of reviewers are saying it'll sate old SG fans (well, not all of them are saying that) while finally delivering what the non-fans always wanted. I'm not sure what that is, but it's got it.
 

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Posted by Katarain (Member # 6659) on :
 
Waiting.....

23 minutes to go......
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
Where can i watch it streaminingly online?
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
ITS HITLER!

Seriously, the British sounding scientest guy portrayed Hitler in Rise of Evil.

This is going to be awesome.
 

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Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
 
I don't understand how this got good reviews from anyone. It's awful. These people are too stupid to live, and the characters they spent so much time on are mostly rehashed, inferior versions of the original team.

Let me know if the later episodes get better.
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
Maybe we are just giving it a massively higher standard then we otherwise would? Is it good on its own merits?
 

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Posted by Katarain (Member # 6659) on :
 
It's the younger, edgier version of Stargate! (as seen on 200.)

I think it has potential, but the shaky camera work was annoying as hell. The gratuitous sex scene was in stark contrast to the rest of Stargate, which was very disappointing. I liked how Stargate was pretty family friendly.

There are several annoying characters, and several that I liked. Eli was cool. Rush was a bit annoying, but I thought his character was believable. Interesting, at the very least. (The bit that eluded to him knowing what it was like to lose someone felt forced, though.)

I'll keep watching it, especially because pilots often really, really suck. I have hopes it will get better. I want more science and better camera direction. For now, those are my two big requests. I think the premise has a lot of potential.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I'm halfway through it. The visuals for the old school stuff, the Hatak Lucian Alliance ships, the gliders etc was really, really shiny. They certainly took the special effects budget and either bumped it up, or learned to do a lot more with it.

Thus far it's interesting. The sex scene might have seemed a little gratuitous, but it also served a couple points. Sergeant Young Guy is obviously not supposed to be having a relationship with that women, as evidenced by that and his later "wait, do I know you?" attitude towards her. That's difficult to convey in a span of 30 seconds, but I thought it was done rather efficiently all things considered.
 

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Posted by aeolusdallas (Member # 11455) on :
 

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It's the younger, edgier version of Stargate! (as seen on 200.)

I think it has potential, but the shaky camera work was annoying as hell. The gratuitous sex scene was in stark contrast to the rest of Stargate, which was very disappointing. I liked how Stargate was pretty family friendly.

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It's the younger, edgier version of Stargate! (as seen on 200.)

I think it has potential, but the shaky camera work was annoying as hell. The gratuitous sex scene was in stark contrast to the rest of Stargate, which was very disappointing. I liked how Stargate was pretty family friendly.

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I am guessing you never actually watched the first season of SG1 as it aired...... It had full on nudity and swearing. It was only cleaned up when it went to SCI-FI channel. Besides for a "racy" scene it was pretty tame.

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It's the younger, edgier version of Stargate! (as seen on 200.)

I think it has potential, but the shaky camera work was annoying as hell. The gratuitous sex scene was in stark contrast to the rest of Stargate, which was very disappointing. I liked how Stargate was pretty family friendly.

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I am guessing you never actually watched the first season of SG1 as it aired...... It had full on nudity and swearing. It was only cleaned up when it went to SCI-FI channel. Besides for a "racy" scene it was pretty tame.

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I did come late to the series, but I watched it on DVD, so it included the nudity. I don't much remember the profanity, though. I've watched it all several times, in fact. I LOVE SG1. SGA is awesome, too. But nudity, especially in the context of the SG1 pilot, is a LOT different than a moving, grunting sex scene. Once my child(ren) are old enough to not have nightmares from seeing the goa'uld and the wraith, they'll be old enough for me to handle the nudity scene in the pilot. I can cover their eyes, or if they do see it, it's no big deal. A sex scene like the one in Universe? No way.

I love Buffy, too, but there's no way I'd let my child watch Season 6!

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About an hour and a half in, it seemed like it might start to get interesting. Instead it got melodramatic and, in my opinion, ridiculous. The apprentice politician didn't get the bit about personal sacrifice for the greater good? Really?

Then the last two minutes seemed to get interesting again. Maybe when they get to a planet we can pick up someone likeable or see more of a character who turns out to be likeable. Cause the crowd they focused on did nothing for me.

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It's the younger, edgier version of Stargate! (as seen on 200.)

I think it has potential, but the shaky camera work was annoying as hell. The gratuitous sex scene was in stark contrast to the rest of Stargate, which was very disappointing. I liked how Stargate was pretty family friendly.

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I am guessing you never actually watched the first season of SG1 as it aired...... It had full on nudity and swearing. It was only cleaned up when it went to SCI-FI channel. Besides for a "racy" scene it was pretty tame.

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I did come late to the series, but I watched it on DVD, so it included the nudity. I don't much remember the profanity, though. I've watched it all several times, in fact. I LOVE SG1. SGA is awesome, too. But nudity, especially in the context of the SG1 pilot, is a LOT different than a moving, grunting sex scene. Once my child(ren) are old enough to not have nightmares from seeing the goa'uld and the wraith, they'll be old enough for me to handle the nudity scene in the pilot. I can cover their eyes, or if they do see it, it's no big deal. A sex scene like the one in Universe? No way.

I love Buffy, too, but there's no way I'd let my child watch Season 6!

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The sex scene was very tame and did not include any nudity not even a butt shot. It was also a very short scene.

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I object to the lack of morality in the scene, mainly. Not to mention how unprofessional it is for military personnel. One thing I liked about SG1 is how they never went there. They portrayed the attraction between Carter and O'Neill just fine without sinking to that level. They even managed just fine with Daniel and Vala!

You don't have to agree with me. It's just a difference I don't appreciate and don't approve of. [/QB]

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Its like a TV series about the Imperial Guard!

Okay, what is a "Kino"? Assuming thats the correct spelling? he says it after the "Russian..." etc and got cut off, the Soviet rock band or something else?

Okay Stargate wiki to the rescue, Russian word for cinema.

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Posted by aeolusdallas (Member # 11455) on :
 
By Space 1999 I mean that they can't control where they are going and have a limited time at each stop. They also are considering finding a planter to evacuate too. That was a running theme on Space 1999

EDIT My brother bought me the first season of Space 1999 for Christmas last year and it's plots are pretty fresh in my mind.
 

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Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
 
I enjoyed the pilot. Some plot holes, but I think they're doing a good job setting up a lot of conflict for further on in the series. We have some black sheep, we have people who can't get along, we have the ol' military vs. civvie, we have some potential coupling going on, limited resources, an uncooperative and damaged ship...

They aren't going to be short plot material any time soon.
 

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Posted by Traceria (Member # 11820) on :
 
I'm with you, MightyCow. On the romance angle alone, I leaned over at some point and poked my fiancé, saying, "Watch, Scott and Chloe; just you see." He says, "No way! I'm rooting for Eli!" Then we got another scene with the first pair talking about the death of her father and some suspicious looking season previews that I think showed her and Scott in some fashion together. Could be deceiving, but we'll see.

As far as the tone, it is definitely more grainy (reminiscent of BSG, which I've only seen a few eps of) and edgy, but I see this approach as better fitting for the predicament they're in than a more campy feeling one. Does that make sense?

I liked the pilot well enough, but I'm even more curious to see how the season progresses. It wasn't an overwhelming wow of an opening, but I think it's got potential!
 

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Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
 
*possible spoilers ahead.

I was fairly interested in the pilot, although I did feel that many of the characters just felt too young. The shaky cam was also very annoying.

I was immediately skeptical that even three Lucien ships would pose any threat to the Hammond at this point in time.

Also I was a bit confused about the communication devices that Dr. Smith, oops I mean Dr. Ross, used. Wouldn't Walter have been walking around the ship during the time he was using them? Also, I'm having trouble remembering, but do they get encoded to whoever first uses them?
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
Walter was asleep so he wouldn't have noticed.

They werent a threat to the Hammond but they got troop transports past the Hammond before they could stop them.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
MEC -

The youth angle was intentional. They wanted a pretty young cast with one or two older characters to cement it.

I too was very skeptical of the Hammond being even moderately bothered by three Lucian Alliance ships. Ori motherships used to mow down Hataks with one shot, and nothing we had could come close to penetrating it. Likewise, our shields could stop several Ori weapons discharges. With Asgard weapons, we could destroy Ori ships with a couple shots, and in one Atlantis episode, we saw Colonel Carter on the Phoenix blowing up Wraith ships left and right. I find it hard to believe that the weapons on the Hammond couldn't cut right through them, but that's the problem with having really powerful weapons in a galaxy with no real rivals. Minor point I guess.

Dr. Rush's devices connected to Dr. Lee back at Stargate Command, but if you'll remember from previous use of the device, it's one way. When Daniel and Vala went to the Ori galaxy, the people whose bodies they stole did not use their bodies back in the Milky Way. Also, they did mention before that stones were encoded to each user, but I thought I remember their being a way to reset them. It was covered in Citizen Joe.
 

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Posted by Traceria (Member # 11820) on :
 
Speaking of Dr. Rush and the stones, I'm a little skeptical of his claim that he really DID contact the SGC at the moment in time claimed. The way they showed it (this is from memory, not from rewinding), it seemed like it could have easily been a flashback to testing of the stones or past use.

To explain how the SGC (from previews) does find out what's going on, it's totally possible that someone else gets a hold of the stones in an upcoming episode and contacts them, but this need not be through Rush.

I can't seem to recall enough right now about the devices to say whether or not they're encoded to a specific person or people after first use. I'm inclined to say no on a whim, just because that would severely limit stone usage after the original users are out of the picture. If they do, however, that would explain why there are three stones and not just one. *ponders*
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
The issue of whether it was a flashback or not is what it is gonna revolve on I think.

However it is worth pointing out that of all of the main cast there ONLY Rush was supposed to be there so it does make sense.
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
Oh and in case noboddy noticed but....

Its Lt. General O'Neill now.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 

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It's the younger, edgier version of Stargate! (as seen on 200.)

I think it has potential, but the shaky camera work was annoying as hell. The gratuitous sex scene was in stark contrast to the rest of Stargate, which was very disappointing. I liked how Stargate was pretty family friendly.

There are several annoying characters, and several that I liked. Eli was cool. Rush was a bit annoying, but I thought his character was believable. Interesting, at the very least. (The bit that eluded to him knowing what it was like to lose someone felt forced, though.)

I'll keep watching it, especially because pilots often really, really suck. I have hopes it will get better. I want more science and better camera direction. For now, those are my two big requests. I think the premise has a lot of potential.

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Speaking of Dr. Rush and the stones, I'm a little skeptical of his claim that he really DID contact the SGC at the moment in time claimed. The way they showed it (this is from memory, not from rewinding), it seemed like it could have easily been a flashback to testing of the stones or past use.

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Eli and Scott are my favorite characters by far. Eli is great, and the actor is absolutely hilarious in his portrayal, especially the mannerisms like when he sidelong glanced the "kino" while Rush was talking. I'm expecting him to be a fan favorite. I like Lt. Scott because the actor seems to really be doing a lot with a somewhat limited role (despite ample screen time), and I like what he represents, being thrust into a command position before he's really ready for it.

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Nah, it was real-time. However, there's no reason to believe his claim that he spoke with O'Neill. In fact, I consider it unlikely. Much more likely that he got some kind of information from Lee's computer, and maybe left a message for Lee to pass along when he got his body back.

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Cool. I couldn't really remember exactly, and it was my finace who recorded it (he's a couple states away).

I agree with all you said they liked Eli and Scott.
 

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Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
 
What I meant to say about the youth angle was that they just seemed too young for me to keep an interest in the show. I did realize that they were intentionally young though.

From what I remember, the Colonel was the one who brought the stones with them, which is why I was a bit surprised he wasn't a bit more pissed off that Rush took and used them without permission, let alone doing it in secret.

Also, Eli is my fav. character right now as well.
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
Of course he is, hes an anscended fanboy. Hes what WE want to be.
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
New episode, I was at my parents so I caught it on cable, pretty good. I suspect the ancients are keeping on eye on the new crew of the destiny.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I missed it, and the repeat. I'll have to catch it on Hulu tomorrow.
 

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Posted by Katarain (Member # 6659) on :
 
I enjoyed it.

I really don't like Greer. I was hoping for him to get killed off throughout most of the episode. He's insubordinate, and I can't believe his superiors allow him to keep his weapon. It should have been taken away in the pilot when he refused to stop pointing it at Rush.

I think the communication stones have a lot of potential. I'm having fun thinking of the ways they can be used. If someone needs medical treatment from a doctor, more than a medic can provide, they can get one with the stones. The medic can go to medical school on Earth while whoever wants to visit the ship does so.

I'm glad they figured out how to use the stones so effectively, and I hope they use them to their full potential.

Did they ever explain why they didn't try to get the two people back who went to that other planet? I thought they were going to send a dialer to them, but if they did, I missed it.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
It's on Hulu now.

Good episode, for a number of reasons. I like the flashback to Scott's past. Clearly there's a lot going on with his back story, and he has some serious guilt issues (though clearly he's gotten over his problems with pre-marital sex). Not sure what the heck was going on with the Sand Angels that led him to the lake bed. Maybe it was the Ancients, maybe it was the indigenous wind aliens, I don't know, but I didn't have a problem with the deus ex machina angle.

I too think the stones add a very interesting angle to the show, and I'm glad they're using them effectively. Near as I can tell, the two people on the other planet are just gone. Good thing that one guy got shot in the arm, but it sucks that they just lost the brain power of the scientist girl.

Greer bothers me too. You can tell they're setting him up to be the one that just snaps and starts mowing people down, and frankly he annoys the hell out of me, but I guess they figured they had to create some conflict on the show, so why not. I'd like to see him redeem himself, but I wouldn't be sad if he got sucked out an airlock or something. Going back for Scott the way he did was commendable, and I was even a little surprised by it. I think Eli earned some points by staying behind too, which I also thought was commendable. Rush's reaction to Greer was a mix of what was good and bad about his character. It was just such an awkward scene when he was trying to get water from Greer. They need to fix his character. I liked it when he was ambiguously suspicious, but now he's just coming off really awkwardly weird.

One thing I'll note; the music is markedly improved from past Stargate shows. Goldsmith I think showed he had real music writing chops in Ark of Truth, and I think he's really applied himself to this new format. The pairing of the song at the end with what was going on was likewise well done. They're matching sounds to visuals in a much more dynamic way than they did with SG1 and Atlantis, where it was just background filler as opposed to a symbiotic piece of the show.

PS. What was with the shuttle detaching at the end?
 

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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
Thats what I want to friggin know!
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :