Are you out there? Members of these forums, please come forth if you have successfully pulled off the Lock and Demosthenes trick Valentine did in Ender’s Game here in the Hatrack forums. I know you’re out there… This could get really interesting.
Some reasons not to admit your slyness: You like your user names – Solution: just make a new one You like your sneakiness – Solution: Think of how sneaky WE’LL think you are!
A thought to ponder and respond to: Does OSC have more then one name on these forums?
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Valentine and Peter. Are you asking if there's a collaboration of two or more members to stage debates to make themselves look good? Or if there are people who have successfully pulled off alts without ever owning up to them?
Posted by Presences (Member # 8492) on :
Sure, or better yet, those members who try to pull off using two names themselves.
Posted by Presences (Member # 8492) on :
I guess I made a mistake on the original posting. I haven’t read Ender’s Game for years and thought for some reason it was usually Valentine using the names of Locke and Demosthenes, forgot it was both Valentine and Peter. So to now revise the question, are there any Locke or Demosthenes out there, whether you are collaborating with another, or collaborating with your alter ego?
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Well, yes, actually I used a variety of user names and tatcful arguments to make myself Hegemon of the known world.
Then the medication wore off.
I'm feeling much better now.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
I think a couple people have tried it, but it's usually pretty obvious and poorly done. Sincerity is far more persuasive.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
Yeah, I don't think it worked.
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
I have my suspicions about Dagonee and TomDavidson. Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
Maybe Presences and Dr Strangelove. Dr Strangelove only created his/her user id one month before Presences. That gives him/her a month to see how things work and to decide to make an alter ego for posts such as this one.
Presence has less the 30 posts.
Add to the fact that they are the first two people to talk on this thread and it appears they "staged" and obvious mistake to make it look like s/he really is two people.
Well done chap. I am off to treat myself to yet another cheesy-gordita-crunch for my keen observation.
*plugs ears with index fingers and sings 'la la la ' in order to not be exposed to contrary evidence that would suggest the gordita crunch is not well earned.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
*lies in wait in the bushes to snatch said gordita crunch*
-pH
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
*takes lid off of diet Pepsi and readies self to splash the eyes of anyone who attempts an ambush*
*shifty eyes*
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
*slips on protective goggles. Bares fangs. Prepares to pounce*
-pH
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
Hey what's that in the bushes?!! Stop!! No No NOOOOO.....!
*fumbles with hotsauce*
Why can't I get this open! Why???!!!!
*buries head in said gordita crunch and tries to snarf if*
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
Come to think of it, Dr Strangelove....err Presences shows up to talk about conservative talk radio, guns, and pit bulls--sounds like a cover to me on a liberal forum.
Presences then starts a thread about fooling people and Dr Stangelove initiates a banter that establishes they are separate identities.
Presences wants those with separate identities to "come out" so we will think that person is cool...which would make Dr Strangelove feel even cooler because s/he has a secrete identity that is still secrete and s/he will have got a bunch of people to admire that attribute.
To sum up: I have been listening to too much Coastocoastam while I fix computers, I watched A Scanner Darkly last night, and I need to get back to work.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Okay, I admit it. StarLisa and I are the same person.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
But you can't find StarLisa's posts anymore, right? Only mentions of a StarLisa in other posts?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
<grin> Yes. Papa was gracious enough to just change my username, so it's the same account; it just looks different on the screen.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
Sneaky!
Posted by ? (Member # 2319) on :
Since I don't post often I don't know how many people will believe me, but I'm 99% sure Presences and Dr Strangelove are not the same person. Presences is my brother, but he has never told me about being Dr Stranglove.
?
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
I'm Spartacus.
Posted by Papa Janitor (Member # 7795) on :
I'm also Papa Moose, but people figured that out before I even posted once under this name. Even if I had the inclination to create a separate persona, I don't think I'd have the energy. I think to be good at it would require oodles of work, and if I'm gonna put oodles of work into something it ain't gonna be that.
Oh, and I was Uncle Moose before being Papa Moose. Again, I fooled nobody.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
I think I might have registered the name Flamer once. It had something to do with naming some new Hatrack Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
I had two alts that I registered because I thought they would be good for a joke, but I never really used them and they appear to have been purged. Just as well.
Posted by Euripides (Member # 9315) on :
To successfully pull this off, you would have to:
1. Mask your IP. 2. Set up a false e-mail account. Probably hotmail, then use that to get a gmail account, and forward all your mail from there to your real one. 3. Use the new account without changing the posting behaviour of the original account, or providing a persuasive explanation for the change. 4. Post at different and randomized times. For me that would probably mean staying up until the early hours of morning to make it look like I was in the US. 5. Use your real IP when posting under your original name, the masked IP when posting under the new name.
i.e. a lot of work for no good reason.
You can of course skip #s 1 and 5 if your charade doesn't have to stand up to casual scrutiny by moderators.
Posted by Flaming Toad on a Stick (Member # 9302) on :
I'm Demosthenes. I have yet to find my Locke.
Posted by Euripides (Member # 9315) on :
What if we had a contest? We pair up 4 (or more) Hatrackers into teams, and let them create aliases at a website(s)/forum(s) of their choice. We measure their 'influence' by, say, the traffic they attract to the blogs they set up under their alias. The team with the most influence at the end of a certain number of months wins, and is pseudo-officially granted the title of Locke and Demosthenes...
Just thinking out loud...
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: I'm Spartacus.
No, I'M SPARTACUS!
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Originally posted by Euripides: What if we had a contest? We pair up 4 (or more) Hatrackers into teams, and let them create aliases at a website(s)/forum(s) of their choice. We measure their 'influence' by, say, the traffic they attract to the blogs they set up under their alias. The team with the most influence at the end of a certain number of months wins, and is pseudo-officially granted the title of Locke and Demosthenes...
Just thinking out loud...
Veeeery bad idea, I'd say. We had people from another forum try something like this with us, once, and we were rightfully outraged when one of them, who'd actually started to get hooked here for real, spilled the beans. Or that's how I remember it, anyway.
In any case, I can't think of any good that would come of a game like that.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by Noemon:
quote:Originally posted by Euripides: What if we had a contest? We pair up 4 (or more) Hatrackers into teams, and let them create aliases at a website(s)/forum(s) of their choice. We measure their 'influence' by, say, the traffic they attract to the blogs they set up under their alias. The team with the most influence at the end of a certain number of months wins, and is pseudo-officially granted the title of Locke and Demosthenes...
Just thinking out loud...
Veeeery bad idea, I'd say. We had people from another forum try something like this with us, once, and we were rightfully outraged when one of them, who'd actually started to get hooked here for real, spilled the beans. Or that's how I remember it, anyway.
In any case, I can't think of any good that would come of a game like that.
Horrible idea.
Also, we have had at least 4 people try that crap here in the past 6 months, and within a month they forget and screw it up. Either the posting styles are too close, or they forget to log out of one alt and post incorrectly......
Gotta love when that happens, huh? Posted by Euripides (Member # 9315) on :
Ok, fair enough.
Though starting a new account under an alias doesn't necessarily involve deception or dishonesty - don't we all use a pseudonym to protect our privacy?
I had in mind websites where you post political articles. On those websites, using an alias to write political treatises wouldn't be considered an 'ulterior motive'. I can understand how it would hurt a community driven forum like Hatrack though; here, such a thing *would* be considered an ulterior motive. (and rightly so)
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by lem: I have my suspicions about Dagonee and TomDavidson.
That would explain why Dags has not successfully attended a single Hatrack gathering.
quote:Originally posted by Papa Janitor: Even if I had the inclination to create a separate persona, I don't think I'd have the energy.
*cough* You do have that one alt that occasionally fools people. Although it doesn't have a personality, exactly.
quote:Originally posted by Euripides: Though starting a new account under an alias doesn't necessarily involve deception or dishonesty - don't we all use a pseudonym to protect our privacy?
Especially Tom and Bob.
Posted by Euripides (Member # 9315) on :
*most of us
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
quote: Or that's how I remember it, anyway.
"Anastasia"
*nods
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
I'm Dr. Strangelove.
-pH
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Right, Anastasia!
::Impressed at CT's recall abilities::
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Euripides: *most of us
<-- uses real name
Posted by Euripides (Member # 9315) on :
I agree that Internet anonymity has some less than congenial side-effects, but was my idea that evil?
I'm Sean by the way. Hi.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
In that it involves deliberate manipulation of people with malice aforethought? Kinda.
quote:I'm Sean by the way. Hi.
Posted by Euripides (Member # 9315) on :
Um, what about a website where posting political articles under pseudonyms is the norm? I didn't mean 'post pro-Hegemon propaganda / trick people into doing something', just post at another website and see who's articles rate highest.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I got that. It's the teams-that-are-working-together-but-pretending-not-to-part that is problematic, IMO.
Posted by Euripides (Member # 9315) on :
Oh, ok. I forgot that Peter and Valentine were co-ordinating their essays for political effect. You've got me there.
I imaged two people posting things on one website through individual aliases, and in their profile info having the same blog (i.e. agreeing with each other only if that's what they believed, not pretending to be complete strangers). But even if you don't carry the Peter-Valentine analogy too far, I guess there's still an ulterior motive involved.
The dangers of thinking out loud on a public forum. Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
My real name is kojabu. Really.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
quote:Originally posted by pH: I'm Dr. Strangelove.
-pH
You LIE!
I've had two alts - one for landmark dodging and one for posting something I didn't want to be associated with this name, as several people who know me IRL lurk here. Oh, and neither of them is Presences or pH.
Though I am a fan of the Dagonee/Tom/Bob/Rivka cabal.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
(I'm really just calling myself a liar so that you won't suspect me. Just like I pretend I'm both a female in New Orleans and a male in Cowtown, Florida.)
-pH
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: Though I am a fan of the Dagonee/Tom/Bob/Rivka cabal.
Um, what? I knew I was ElJay/Noemon/Tante. But when did I become part of Dags/Tom/Bob? And does that mean I'm also AJ/kat?
I'm so confused. And I'm not even inebirated.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Oh, I'm sorry. I always get the different cabals confused. My bad.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
There is a cabal at sakeriver that's really into handcrafts. They're always going on about yarn and such. I understand that right now they're collaborating on making a sweater. It'll be cabal knit.
Posted by Euripides (Member # 9315) on :
This explains pH's feigned irrational fear of wombats.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*thwaps self for horrible pun*
Posted by Marlozhan (Member # 2422) on :
Yes, but what if you're sneaky enough to keep up an entire thread with multiple user names?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Then you probably would benefit from professional help.
Or you're Ced.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
What do you mean, "or"?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Good point. Probably an "and/or" would have been better.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka: *thwaps self for horrible pun*
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
The funny think is that rivka is rivka/ElJay/Noemon/Tante, but I'm only ElJay/rivka. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*head asplode*
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Ouch.
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
I barely have time to keep up with the flack I get as my singular identity!... Posted by prolixshore (Member # 4496) on :
I have another name, but since I sign almost every post with yet a third name at the end of it, I don't think it was fooling anyone.
--ApostleRadio
Posted by Presences (Member # 8492) on :
Thank you pH (Dr. Strangelove, and I think lem) for admitting that.
?, you are correct, I'm not Dr. Strangelove. I've often wanted to pull the whole thing off, but I'd have to be very bored and probably a genius, which the later I would not ever claim. However, I do think there are a few in these forums who are genius. By the way, I'd be willing to bet most geniuses are usually bored. Is that right geniuses?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I'm actually Pelegius. And Ron Lambert.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
I had another name awhile back, but I don't even remember what it was and I don't think I posted under it ever. I forget why I made it in the first place.
Posted by Me, Myself, and I (Member # 10003) on :
We have three profiles, too, but we have managed to combine them all into one.
[ December 21, 2006, 04:34 PM: Message edited by: Me, Myself, and I ]
Posted by Marlozhan (Member # 2422) on :
quote:Originally posted by kojabu: I had another name awhile back, but I don't even remember what it was and I don't think I posted under it ever. I forget why I made it in the first place.
That is an excellent tactic to keep your alt hidden...make us think you have forgotten it.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
I'm Batman.
Posted by Marlozhan (Member # 2422) on :
MMI, you talk as though you may also have your own Preciousss.
Posted by Me, Myself, and I (Member # 10003) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marlozhan: MMI, you talk as though you may also have your own Preciousss.
We've heard that one before. Don't belittle our illness. Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I'm actually Pelegius. And Ron Lambert.
Don't forget KoM as well, Lisa. Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I am really General Sax, and my attack subs are in space circling the Earth right now!
Suckers!
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: I'm Batman.
Nope, sorry, I hold that title.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kwea:
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I'm actually Pelegius. And Ron Lambert.
Don't forget KoM as well, Lisa.
That far I won't go.
Posted by Cactus Jack (Member # 2671) on :
I am Mick Foley.
Bang Bang!
Posted by Dude Love (Member # 2437) on :
I am Mick Foley.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
*pedigrees Mick*
Posted by Mankind (Member # 2672) on :
I am Mick Foley.
Have a nice day!
Posted by Mankind (Member # 2672) on :
:takes really bad bump that makes Dag look good to people who think it's real, but makes me look good to people who "get" it, because that's just what Mick Foley does:
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