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Posted by Gecko (Member # 8160) on :
 
Him and Spears divorced and she's looking for full custody of the kids.

This marriage was hilarious from the beginning. It was really just a count down until the divorce.

Anyone make money in a pool?
 
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
 
She's such a wholesome young girl... That's the end of her 2nd marriage right? Did I miss one?
 
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
 
If they couldn't make it work, what hope is there for any one of us?

/cries in a corner
 
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
 
The K-Fed is certainly no Nick Leshay, I am no fan of rap but when I heard a bit of his stylings I thought it was Man-Cow making a joke, but it was really him. I cannot believe this person will ever do anything as significant as being Mr. Brittney Spears. He was a fool to put the development of his non existant talent ahead of making her happy and raising their kids. What an idiot.
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I think it's very sad that people were "counting down" to the end of their marriage. I've seen that on several boards now, and I can't help but think that if we had higher expectations of Hollywood marriages they might last longer.
 
Posted by Kasie H (Member # 2120) on :
 
He's Fed-Ex now!!

[ROFL]
 
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
 
I can't imagine much surprise in the fact that a culture chock-full of preening sybarites with lavish lifestyles and constant adoration happens to have a poor track record with the institution of marriage.

Part of it, though, is lurid bias. We never hear about succesful marriages, we only concentrate on the steady supply of failed ones.
 
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
 
Cue sarcastic thank-god-gays-can't-marry reactions.
 
Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
 
So when Kfed gets older is he going to be GrayFed?
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
quote:
I can't help but think that if we had higher expectations of Hollywood marriages they might last longer.
I think you've got cause and effect reversed.
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Yeah, whatever.
 
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
 
I don't think most relationships can stand up to being public entertainment for very long.

That said, there was clearly more wrong with this one than that.
 
Posted by Princess Leah (Member # 6026) on :
 
I have no sympathy. They had a TV show, for the love o' pete. Which means at some point they *at least* had to have said, "okay, come invade our private lives, fine with us," and for sure they weren't doing it out of financial necessity. I agree, Sterling, that relationships are strained by being public entertainment (look at the Beatles, in a purely platonic way), but these two were asking for it.
 
Posted by SoaPiNuReYe (Member # 9144) on :
 
About time she came to her senses...
 
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
 
Seriously marrying him regardless of whether they genuinely were in love has been poison for her career.

Not that she should put her career over a family, but judging her from what I can see, she is leaving Kevin because he is not as in love with her as she was with him.
 
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
 
Well, she did wait three whole days after he released his album. I mean, you know, it *could* have been the next Thriller...

...strong emphasis on *could*...
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I don't really think I'd even count her first marriage. It was a drunken vegas wedding that was annulled within 60 hours.

And this will be his second marriage ending, now with 2 ex wives and four kids.
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
He never married the first baby mama.

-pH
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Ah, didn't know that.

So he has ONE ex-wife and two illegitimate kids.
 
Posted by Samarkand (Member # 8379) on :
 
Yes, K-fed . . . such a catch . . . his girlfriend (I believe she was not an ex at the time) was pregnant when he and Britney got together . . . so he broke up with her . . . classy. I just want another Toxic, I love that song.

" . . . I'm addicted to you don't you know that you're toxic . . "
 
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
 
Aww, that makes me sad.

He and the Spears clan used to stop by our movie theatre. She smoked in the parking lot barefoot while he bought daiquiris, always keeping one hand on his pants because they kept trying to fall down.

I was going to get pictures next time and take myself shopping with the sale to the tabloids.

They were such an entertaining bunch. *sigh*


Though I am waiting for the marriage amendment that bans her from ever getting married again. Those worried about the sanctity of marriage should sit her down for a chat.
 
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
 
"You got some money, ah put a rang on that finger."
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
quote:
I think you've got cause and effect reversed.
My thoughts exactly.

He's a tool, and she's white trash. Their poor kids.
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Thank you for posting this. I've been dying to talk about it since Tuesday.

Matt's take: He's impressed that Britney has managed to live the life of uneducated poor white despite being a multi-millionaire.

My take: I think she's not terribly bright, but I just want the best for her. I think she wanted to be loved, and I can't fault her for that. I also think she's emotionally very young. I hope this will lead to some growing up for her. I really do want her to be happy.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
quote:
I really do want her to be happy.
Is she a childhood friend?
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Is that necessary?
 
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
 
I was surprised she told him via text message. That's just rude!

I wonder what it said? "Dude, pack ur junk, I just filed! LOL"

I lost the link but there's video out there, K-fed was texted during an interview.
 
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
 
I always wondered what a man's face looks like when he sees his free ride pull away. Maybe he can get a job from Kato.
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
I just read on MSN that he's seeking sole custody of the kids.

[ROFL] [ROFL]
[ROFL] [ROFL]
 
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
 
Must...hold...on...to ride. Am...powerless without it.
 
Posted by Libbie (Member # 9529) on :
 
Quick! Everybody protect the sanctity of marriage!

Seriously, this was just a three-ring circus from the start. I wonder which parent would be better for the kids to live with?
 
Posted by Libbie (Member # 9529) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Morbo:


I lost the link but there's video out there, K-fed was texted during an interview.

Oh, burn. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Video of it on YouTube
~1:40
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
quote:
Is that necessary?
Not necessarily. But I have to admit that I find it very hard to muster any interest in Britney Spears' life, much less her well-being. I wish her well in general, since she's a random member of the human race, but I can't imagine taking an actual interest in her welfare.
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
People care about whether or not Veronica Mars makes good choices. Britney is at least more real than that.
 
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
 
Heh, heh.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
They care about Veronica Mars for entertainment reasons, which is okay to do because she's fictional entertainment. Since Britney isn't fictional, I'm uneasy about using the events in her life for my own entertainment purposes in a way that I am not uneasy about, say, using Captain Picard's.
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
It's too bad that you think wishing someone well is entertainment.
 
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TomDavidson:
quote:
I really do want her to be happy.
Is she a childhood friend?
I kind of want everyone to be happy, but for the most part people are addicted to making their lives difficult. I wish they'd stop that. Hopefully she'll find a nice man and no one will talk about them because I don't care and I'm sure she doesn't enjoy seeing unflattering pictures of her in tabloids if she does go to the store disguised.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
quote:
It's too bad that you think wishing someone well is entertainment.
I think wishing someone well in specific as opposed to in general usually requires some emotional investment in their wellbeing.
 
Posted by Kasie H (Member # 2120) on :
 
People worry about Veronica Mars...

[ROFL]

I'm totally with Katie on this one. I mean, obviously no one is wasting their lives worrying about this pair, but what good does it do to wish bad things on Britney? I'd really rather see most people happy than not.
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
quote:
I'd really rather see most people happy than not.
Tom covered why he thinks it's different to wish someone well in a general sense, as a fellow human, and to specifically say, "I hope Britney finds a nice man."
 
Posted by Kasie H (Member # 2120) on :
 
Yeah, except I don't think it's a sin to be able to pick Britney out from the rest of the fellow humans. My neighbor isn't in People magazine.
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
Which is exactly the point.
 
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
 
It may have already been said, but I think this thread title sounds like a drink that would get you really drunk in one sip, on ice.
 
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
 
I am just shocked and ashamed of you all

You've all made points, laughed and ridiculed or defended and wished well for this hurting young couple.

You've considered the possible horrors that the children face.

You've done all of this, and yet not one of you have dared to uphold the sacred Hatrack tradition.

Not one.

Well, it has to be said.

And I'm the one to say it.


"Ooops, she did it again."

(Yes, that tradition I am upholding is the tradition of making the worst, most obvious, possible joke as often as possible)
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
For clarification, I did not "wish she would find a good man." I said I wished for her to be happy.

There is a difference, you know. One is not predicated on the other.
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
Yeah, I know. Doesn't change my point.
 
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
 
I laughed aloud at this title, because kefe (kehfeh) is Hawaiian for the F word, and modern local slang lets you use this as a past tense verb, "kefe'd."

Okay, it was funnier in my head.
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
What is your point, JT? I wish for you to be happy and I know less about you than I do about Britney. Do you also find that reprehensible?
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
You seriously think you know less about JT than you do about Britney Spears?
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
I don't actually know that many personal details of JT's life. I also subscribe to Entertainment Weekly which has sadly filled me in on most of Britney's.
 
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
 
This thread is surreal.
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
Until you can point me where I said that I find your caring about Britney's wellbeing reprehensible, I'm not wasting my time explaining any further, because it's plain you don't see the distinction between caring about someone as a member of society, as an actual person (with whom you've had some two-way interaction), as a fictional character, and as a celebrity.

Or if you see it, you don't consider it useful. In which case there's a fundamental disconnect between our respective POVs and I'm not sure I'd be able to explain it.

For now, let's just say that I don't ever consider wishing anyone well reprehensible. I do find that allegation from you insulting, but not unexpected.

----

breyer, I've been thinking that all day.
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Sorry, JT. I lumped your opinion in with Tom's.
 
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
 
Wow, kat, if I was challenged on something so stupid like you have been in this thread, I'd be far less civil.

I myself am a big fan of George R. R. Martin, and I have enjoyed reading his books, his blog entries and website content, and I've read a little bit about his personal life. I've never met the man, or ever interacted with him personally.

If I found out him and his wife Parris, who means the world to him, were getting divorced, I would be a little sad and I would wish him to be happy.

Does that make me pathetic in some way? Is it somehow wrong to empathize more with someone whose personal life you are familiar with, then someone you know nothing about?

If OSC made a post on this forum relating a personal tragedy, would I be wrong to offer a well-wish for a specific person (him) or would I need to say "I generally wish people to be happy".

I think that the entire reason Kat has needed to be on the defense in this thread is that Britney Spears is a popular object of ridicule, and so some people cannot fathom empathizing with her. If it was another celebrity, one who is looked upon more favorably by the intellectuals of hatrack, this type of disbelief would be unthinkable.
 
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
 
quote:
You seriously think you know less about JT than you do about Britney Spears?
I certainly know more about Britney Spears than I do about JT, and I'm not even the slightest fan.

Here are some things off the top of my head:

I know her job, including the names of several of her songs, and the movie she was in. I also know she had endorsement deals with Pepsi.

I know she was born in Loisianna.

I know she was on the Mickey Mouse Club show as a child.

I know she has a good relationship with her Mom, and has a little sister who looks very much like her.

I know she had a relationship with Justin Timberlake.

I know she married her high-school friend, and then had the marriage annulled. His name was Jason Alexander (who I remember because of the actor who plays George Costanza).

I know she has two children.

I know she married her former back-up dancer, Kevin-something, and that she has recently filed for divorce.

All of this I know without paying any particular attention to her, but simply by virtue of not completely shutting out popular culture references, and by having a good memory.

Now what do I know about JT?

Jack squat, beyond him being a hatracker. I seriously doubt JT knows much more than that about me.
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
quote:
Sorry, JT. I lumped your opinion in with Tom's.
S'okay. I'm sorry for being short -- I think my frustration is overlap from having a similar conversation with several of my RL friends (including my own mother) over the last two days.

I think it's great that you care about the wellbeing of someone you've never met. My mom's the same way (right down to the EW subscription, I think). But, to me, it seems like misguided sentiment. The reason for that is that it's in no way reciprocated. I think everyone has a finite amount of emotional support they can give, and issues they can care about. And it seems a shame to use any of it on someone who isn't even peripherally aware of your existence.
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
quote:
I seriously doubt JT knows much more than that about me.
I know your real (first) name, where you live, who you're dating, what you do for a living, and several of your hobbies. But other than that, not much.
 
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
 
Wow, that's cool [Smile] .

Edit: Of course if you know all that, you must be a member of Mike's forum, and now I feel like crap for not knowing who you are over there...

In my defense, I rarely read the "Right On","Right Off", or "Right On/Off" threads, so miss most of the personal stuff.
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
Men!

While I'm no breyer, I apparently know more about each of you than you do about each other. In Xavier's case that's hardly surprising (having spent quite a bit of time in person with him). But I've never met JT.

At least, I don't think I have . . .

[Wink]
 
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
 
Jeez, now I feel like a stalker going through JT's posts on sakeriver to see what sort of personal information I should know.

So far I've found out that he has eaten squirrel and alligator.

Maybe I shouldn't go any further [Wink] .
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
quote:
Of course if you know all that, you must be a member of Mike's forum, and now I feel like crap for not knowing who you are over there...
If you feel like that now, wait till you figure it out. [Smile]

[edit]Well, that didn't take long.
 
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
 
I think I know quite a bit about both of them, haven't met either. But that's my job.
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
quote:
I think it's great that you care about the wellbeing of someone you've never met. My mom's the same way (right down to the EW subscription, I think). But, to me, it seems like misguided sentiment.
See, this is how I feel about pets. Love and caring are good things, but if I'm going to go to that much effort, the object is going to be human. If it involves actually cleaning up someone's food matter discarded via the intestines, it is going to be a human that is closely related to me.

However, while I don't want to do it, I don't look down on people who lavish love on their pets. Wishing Britney well takes all of about 20 seconds every few months (averaged out).

Besides, I think good will multiplies. I'm not less able to wish well for people - I think it adds to a habit of wishing well for people to wish well for her. I think she's lonely and little dumb and has been giving way more resources than she knows what to do with. I wish her well in managing those resources and I wish for her to be happy.

Xavier, that was cool. [Smile]
 
Posted by Kasie H (Member # 2120) on :
 
This thread has gotten beyond ridiculous.

In my experience, there are three types of people when it comes to celebrities.

First, people who are obsessive to a fault.

Second, people who can tell you what's going on but don't go out of their way to find out new information.

Third, people who insist that caring at all about celebrities is some kind of disease to be eliminated.

Frankly, I find the third variety generally to be insecure and/or jealous and honestly care more about celebrity than the second variety. It's an elitist high horse that just shows you worry more about it than average people.

So get over it. She's a celebrity, people are going to watch from afar and inevitably develop one set of feelings one way or the other. The judge is the intensity of the feelings. In this case, I get the sense JT and Tom have stronger feelings than kat does.
 
Posted by Swampjedi (Member # 7374) on :
 
I guess that's like saying that Hate and Love are similar - they both are strong feelings toward the object.

Me, I couldn't care less about celebs. My response to this thread was - I didn't know she was married? Oh well.
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
quote:
In this case, I get the sense JT and Tom have stronger feelings than kat does.
I would say we have strong feelings about kat's feelings. I would further say that neither Tom nor I give a whit about Britney Spears (and I could hit her childhood home with a rock from where I'm sitting right this instant).

Of course, I'm just guessing as far as Tom's feelings are concerned.

quote:
Third, people who insist that caring at all about celebrities is some kind of disease to be eliminated.

Frankly, I find the third variety generally to be insecure and/or jealous and honestly care more about celebrity than the second variety. It's an elitist high horse that just shows you worry more about it than average people.

This smells like projecting to me.
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
I find it amusing that you had to throw in that you live near Britney's childhood home in that post, JT.

-pH
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
Just wanted to make it clear that I actually do have a reason to care about her and her career. She's local, and I've met her. And I still don't.

[edit]Which isn't to say I want bad things to happen to her. I don't really care either way.
 
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
 
Heck, sometimes I feel I know more about Britney than I do about myself.

Looks like the media's doing it's job, I guess.
 
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
 
This is the infamous breakup text:
quote:
I H8 U, loser!
According the ever-reliable Xinhua Chinese news service.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-11/10/content_5313921.htm
 
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
 
Actually, my goal is more for Veronica Mars to make bad choices, good choices and a happy life do not good television make.
 
Posted by airmanfour (Member # 6111) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by erosomniac:
I laughed aloud at this title, because kefe (kehfeh) is Hawaiian for the F word, and modern local slang lets you use this as a past tense verb, "kefe'd."

Okay, it was funnier in my head.

More prophetic than funny.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
quote:
Sorry, JT. I lumped your opinion in with Tom's.
That WOULD explain it, except I didn't say I found it reprehensible, either. I think you lumped both of our opinions in with the hypothetical opinion of an imaginary jerk. [Smile]

-------

quote:

I think that the entire reason Kat has needed to be on the defense in this thread is that Britney Spears is a popular object of ridicule, and so some people cannot fathom empathizing with her.

Not quite. My incredulousness is not rooted in "gee, Britney Spears is a human being completely without value, so I can't understand why you emphasize with her." It's rooted in "Britney Spears is a person about which you know nothing more than the media has told you. You aren't a fan. You've never had a single interaction with this person. She has no idea who you are. If you knew her in real life, you would probably not want to be her friend, based on the gulf between your values and what the media accurately or inaccurately presents as her own. And yet you know intimate details of her love life and her biography, and reporters have supplied you with hourly updates on her mental state -- to the point that you feel like you should feel something for her, that you 'know' her in some way. Despite the fact -- and unlike Xavier's example -- that you wouldn't want to."

In this case, I believe "sympathy" for a celebrity is something that's largely manufactured by third parties and inflicted on people. I believe it's a symptom of something unhealthy in our society, but is a healthy individual response to a larger sickness.

As a society, we've created this weird category of "celebrity" for people we don't know and don't even particularly care about, and yet about whom we know far, far too much. And I think part of knowing too much about them makes us feel like we SHOULD care about them -- and I know for a fact that their promoters and marketers and handlers count on this reaction, depend on our willingness to say "I know more about Britney Spears than I know about this random human being with whom I've actually interacted, so why shouldn't I care about her?"

Of course, there's a tendency to say "I care about Britney as much as I'd care about anyone else in a similar situation" -- but I don't think that's always true, either. Many of the people who've voiced opinions on this thread about Britney's marriage(s) have not posted in threads on this board about other non-celebrity marriages in crisis, either to offer sympathy or opinion. I don't believe that these people who were silent on that point didn't post because they didn't care; I believe they cared as much as they would about any random person's misfortune, and perhaps even more because it involved acquaintances -- but they were more interested in commenting on Britney's situation for whatever reason.

This is far from "reprehensible." But I think we as a society (and the individuals within it) need to make a more conscious effort to simply not care about celebrities when we do not appreciate their work. Manufactured celebrity is, IMO, a dangerous thing; it's a form of advertising that trains us to value things because they're perceived by others to have value, and not because they would actually be things we'd value ourselves.

As an extreme example of this phenomenon (and not, BTW, something I'd say Katie resembled), I point you to this recent Onion bit:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/54085

[ November 10, 2006, 10:32 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
 
Posted by DDDaysh (Member # 9499) on :
 
Am I the only one who thinks that maybe she DESERVES it??? Maybe now they can stop playing "family" and one of the grandparents will take the poor kids or something.

Don't take me wrong, I don't really want anything HORRIBLE to happen to her. I don't think she deserves to die or anything. However, I think it's rather good that her public image is less than happy.

Remember, this is "opps I did it again" talking here.... Little girls look at her and when she's cool, they want to DRESS like her. That means that we have little girls who think it's pretty to dress themselves showing lots of skin, and behaving provocatively. I do NOT think that is good for society in general, thus, I am NOT sad that her image is now less than glamorous.
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Perhaps Tom is overestimating the amount of effort it takes for most people to wish good things for the world.

Are you seriously saying that you are harassing me about this because you fear that it will affect my life to the point that I will value the things that Britney values? That I will, say, abandon my plan of dating Mormons to lust after unemployed baby daddy backup dancers who wear "Pimp" track suits to their wedding receptions?

Love multiplies - even general bon homie. In related news, I wish for peace in the middle east. There isn't a soul in the middle east who is affected by this. Nevertheless, the world is a better place for it.
 
Posted by airmanfour (Member # 6111) on :
 
I find people that subscribe to other peoples' lives boring and wasteful.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
quote:
Perhaps Tom is overestimating the amount of effort it takes for most people to wish good things for the world.
So you just generally wish Britney well, in the same way you'd wish any random stranger whose name was unknown to you well? What motivated you to post, then?

quote:

Are you seriously saying that you are harassing me about this because you fear that it will affect my life to the point that I will value the things that Britney values?

Oh, God, no. That's not the danger here. The danger of celebrity is that people can use it as a replacement for actual caring -- and, at worst, to fill emotional needs as a sort of diverting entertainment. It can be a bit of a trap, and is in its own way as escapist as any other form of entertainment.
 
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by breyerchic04:
It may have already been said, but I think this thread title sounds like a drink that would get you really drunk in one sip, on ice.

Actually, it tastes like a blend of several second-shelf liqueurs, but with none of the impact. [Smile]
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Oh, please. I think you're just being contrary and are delighted to find something to feel superior about.

What motivated me to post? I felt like it, and your petty criticism of it is ridiculous.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
While you're certainly entitled to your opinion, I've got to admit that I find your ruffled feathers on this topic to be more than a little unwarranted; certainly you're insulting yourself -- with lines like "reprehensible" -- considerably more harshly than anything I've said on this thread. In other words, you're being defensive for no reason I can actually discern.

My "petty criticism" has consisted entirely of observing that wishing a celebrity well in specific is an unfortunate consequence of a society that tells us too much about our celebrities. If you don't feel that you know too much about Britney Spears, and are actually interested in her life, more power to you; you've got as much "right" to be a fan of hers as Xavier has of Martin fanhood, and I wouldn't suggest otherwise. If you find that you just happen to know a heck of a lot about Britney Spears without ever particularly seeking out that information, instead just being dimly aware of having seen all that stuff "somewhere," though, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
 
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
 
Let's pretend for a minute that there's this newbie on Hatrack named Bethany. Her first post is to ask for advice concerning her marriage. Her husband has become a terrible partier, and he flirts with other women. You can tell from the post that Bethany is young, naive, and maybe not that bright (we'll stick with the media image for now). She says she's thinking of divorce and wants advice for how to keep custody of the two children she and her husband have together.

Would Jatraqueros be misguided to feel sympathy for Bethany, even though they know nothing about her other than this one post? Would they be wrong to post saying so?
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Has Britney posted here asking for advice?

A closer analogy would be to ask whether we regularly start sympathy threads because someone, somewhere, is getting divorced, even though we don't know the person in question. I could go through the paper to find the names of people who've recently divorced and start a thread about them; would that seem normal to you?

Edit: to clarify, I've previously said on this thread that expressing sympathy for someone we believe -- rightly or wrongly -- we know so much about is a perfectly healthy reaction to an unhealthy situation. It's the fact that we know so much about Britney that is itself unhealthy.
 
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
 
Haven't you flogged this topic enough yet Tom? Let it go.
quote:
Originally posted by TomDavidson:
The danger of celebrity is that people can use it as a replacement for actual caring -- and, at worst, to fill emotional needs as a sort of diverting entertainment. It can be a bit of a trap, and is in its own way as escapist as any other form of entertainment.

And the danger of overly-analytical ironic detachment is readily apparent on this thread as well.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
According to new reports, Kevin is threatening to release a sex tape made from their honeymoon unless Britney forks over a couple million dollars.

And there are rumors that he was cheating on her. I don't approve of, or ever feel the inclination to cheat, but I especially don't get it when you're married to one of the biggest sex symbols in the world.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
quote:
And the danger of overly-analytical ironic detachment is readily apparent on this thread as well.
You know, I'd like to briefly draw a distinction between ironic detachment and just plain ol' detachment. [Smile]
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
According to new reports, Kevin is threatening to release a sex tape made from their honeymoon unless Britney forks over a couple million dollars.

When are people going to learn that keeping sex tapes is a bad, bad idea? If you've gotta do it, watch 'em and destroy 'em. GAH!

-pH
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
lol, whoever HAS to make a sex tape?

Some people never learn.
 


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