I watched the pilot of "Heroes" this morning. It's a new show that's coming out this fall.
I'm not even sure where to start. It's just... incredible. It's like the best parts of Lost, the best parts of The 4400, the best parts of the old Wild Card series of books (if anyone here has read them).
Basically, there are a handful of people who are essentially mutants. Ignore all the damage that Marvel has done to that concept. They're normal people, but they have abilities. And they're not all really happy with them.
There's a girl who is invulnerable. A guy who may be able to fly. A guy who may can see the future. A woman whose mirror image... can do things. Maybe. A Japanese fanboy geek who can bend space and time. A genius kid and a genius taxi driver and since Greg Gruenberg is going to be on this but wasn't in the pilot, I expect there'll be more.
Lots of people. Strange connections between them (a la Lost).
You've got to watch this. I'm already an addict.
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
Where did you get a copy of the pilot?
Posted by Stephan (Member # 7549) on :
Is it available online?
Posted by prolixshore (Member # 4496) on :
I was interested in the previews for the show. Let us know where you were able to view it.
--ApostleRadio
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
It was leaked. The earliest I'd heard about it was on AICN, and they were saying that it seemed to be caused by a solar eclipse. Which made me kind of skeptical. And it apparently did the same to other people, because even though there's an eclipse that happens during the show, the powers precede it.
I downloaded it. And since I plan to watch it when it airs, I don't see any problem with that. Not that I really would have anyway, but I'm just saying.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
When is it scheduled to air?
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
I thought it said "this fall"...nothing terribly specific.
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
Spill it, starLisa.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I've been watching all the trailers they have for it on nbc.com. We are very anxiously awaiting this show at my house...
FG
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
starLisa -- the one I really can't figure out is the single mom who has the "alter ego" (or mirror image, you called it). It looks like the 'other her' is evil -- is that the jist of how you see it?
And Claire (the unbreakable girl) says something to her mom about "I think I'm old enough for you to tell me who my real parents are" -- which makes me believe that is how it ties into the comments on the famous geneticist.
The eclipse thing is puzzling too. Why would they not have their "powers" until the eclipse?
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I've been thinking about restoring sattelite service this Fall in order to watch BSG. If I do that I'll have to give this show a try.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Farmgirl: starLisa --
Just "Lisa", actually.
quote:Originally posted by Farmgirl: the one I really can't figure out is the single mom who has the "alter ego" (or mirror image, you called it). It looks like the 'other her' is evil -- is that the jist of how you see it?
I don't know if she's evil. I get the feeling that she may be a lot less inhibited, though. Which is kind of funny, considering what she's doing when we first see her.
quote:Originally posted by Farmgirl: And Claire (the unbreakable girl) says something to her mom about "I think I'm old enough for you to tell me who my real parents are" -- which makes me believe that is how it ties into the comments on the famous geneticist.
Could be. I'm not sure how she knows she's not related. I mean, she comes across as a lot more "real" than her ditzy mother and lamer brother, but then I remember the stuff she talked about with the guy she had filming her. She seems like a real '09er. The nasty sort, like Cordelia was in the first season of Buffy. It's an interesting contrast.
quote:Originally posted by Farmgirl: The eclipse thing is puzzling too. Why would they not have their "powers" until the eclipse?
Claire obviously had hers before the eclipse, though, right? And so did the precog painter. I wonder if the eclipse is going to be relevant at all any more.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Noemon: When is it scheduled to air?
If this is correct, the pilot is due to air September 1. It's an NBC show, and it's going to be on Monday nights.
I love that the Japanese guy is named Hiro. My favorite name of any character ever is Hiro Protaganist, from Snow Crash.
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
Hah, I thought you were saying that the episode was leaked due to a solar eclipse. Which would be pretty baffling.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote:I don't know if she's evil. I get the feeling that she may be a lot less inhibited, though. Which is kind of funny, considering what she's doing when we first see her.
Maybe you're seeing different things that I'm seeing (all I've seen are the trailers). But it looks like at one point the she wakes up and there is a dead guy there in the room with her, and her image in the mirror has blood on her and holds up the finger to her lips "shhhhh". I'm thinking this is like a Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde type thing going on.
Where did you get that some of them had their powers prior to eclipse? I can't tell that from the trailer - because it is all jumbled out and can be out-of-order for the story.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Strider: Hah, I thought you were saying that the episode was leaked due to a solar eclipse. Which would be pretty baffling.
Heh. I can see that.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Farmgirl:
quote:I don't know if she's evil. I get the feeling that she may be a lot less inhibited, though. Which is kind of funny, considering what she's doing when we first see her.
Maybe you're seeing different things that I'm seeing (all I've seen are the trailers). But it looks like at one point the she wakes up and there is a dead guy there in the room with her, and her image in the mirror has blood on her and holds up the finger to her lips "shhhhh". I'm thinking this is like a Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde type thing going on.
Where did you get that some of them had their powers prior to eclipse? I can't tell that from the trailer - because it is all jumbled out and can be out-of-order for the story.
In both cases, I've seen the full episode. I don't know what I can say without going too much into spoiler territory.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
yeah -- don't spoil it. I'll just wait until it comes out...
Lucky you for getting to see the pilot.
FG
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Just one thing I'll tell you. It ran like 53 minutes (which means that the pilot will run more than an hour with commercials), and it ended with a "To Be Continued..."
I guess that's two things. <grin>
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
Oh. My. Goodness.
This show is going to be awesome. My wife and I watched the pilot just now and were in total disbelief. Now that's DURN good television!!!
starLisa, please read below - I have a question!
******SPOILER WARNING*****
starLisa, what do you think that one guy's power is? I didn't catch his name, but the nurse guy that was the brother to the Congressman. Apparently the Congressman can fly, while his brother (apparently his younger twin) thought HE could fly. Now, he did mention that they, as brothers, were connected somehow. Do you think that all of these feelings of flying and so forth were thoughts about his BROTHER?
If you don't want to talk about it here, shoot me an email with what you think.
jeleal AT austin . rr . com
*****end spoilers*****
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
I just watched the pilot.
I'm interested to see where they take this. The "mutant" story has been done, but if they can bring something new to it then I'm excited.
The casting cracks me up. Peter is the guy who played Jess on "Gilmore Girls." The cheerleader is the little girl from "Remember the Titans" (all the more appropriate that her character is in Odessa). And Hiro is Franklyn, the lab tech, on "Scrubs."
I don't know what to think about the Vegas girl (Nikki?). Her power is certainly the most interesting but I like the other characters more.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
So far my favorite character is Hiro, but only because he was funny.
I also like the 'twist' where the cheerleader girl's foster father comes in, and its Mr. Glasses (at least I call him that) from the geneticists house and the cab.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Where did you guys get the pilot?
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
I'm downloading it now from torrent spy, I think. I won't find out until it's through.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I found a link, let me know if you need it. There are a few versions of it floating around.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by PUNJABEE: So far my favorite character is Hiro, but only because he was funny.
I also like the 'twist' where the cheerleader girl's foster father comes in, and its Mr. Glasses (at least I call him that) from the geneticists house and the cab.
A spoiler warning might have been nice here.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by PUNJABEE: ******SPOILER WARNING***** starLisa,
Just "Lisa", actually.
quote:Originally posted by PUNJABEE: what do you think that one guy's power is? I didn't catch his name, but the nurse guy that was the brother to the Congressman. Apparently the Congressman can fly, while his brother (apparently his younger twin)
Twin? There looks to be a serious age difference between them. Anyway, I suspect maybe they both can fly. But who knows? If you look at the cast picture at nbc.com or at epguides.com/heroes, the brother is standing smack in the middle, which suggests a leadership role.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
Well at first I didn't think they were twins either, but my wife picked up on a line that their mother said when they were picking her up at the PD.
She said something about [the 'younger' one] "pushing your brother out first," and the brother did say they were 'connected' somehow. Usually, twins claim that there is some sort of connection between eachother, even in the real world.
We could be wrong, of course and we won't know until the show continues but at this point, I think they are twins.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Lisa, I don't know if it's available, but have you tried registering as "Lisa or lisa", and doing away with the "star" part entirely? If it's in your username, especially if it's at the beginning of your username, trying to get people not to call you something is going to be a losing battle. Hell, you're lucky nobody has started shortening it to "star".
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
I hope they go light on the wanna be profound mumbo jumbo and just stick to the story. I wish I could have muted out all of the voice overs or the Indian Professor's speeches.
A big plus is that it's got the little kid from "Lady in the Water," and he is adorable. Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by PUNJABEE: She said something about [the 'younger' one] "pushing your brother out first,"
She told Peter that his brother takes up a lot of space/light and that it pushes him (Peter) out. Also that Peter always let his brother do that.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Noemon: Lisa, I don't know if it's available, but have you tried registering as "Lisa or lisa", and doing away with the "star" part entirely? If it's in your username, especially if it's at the beginning of your username, trying to get people not to call you something is going to be a losing battle. Hell, you're lucky nobody has started shortening it to "star".
Actually, it's happened. And no, Lisa is not available. It almost never is. That's one reason why I have my own domain. It guaranteed me the username of "lisa" at least in my own e-mail address. And I checked at Hatrack. "Lisa" is definitely unavailable.
It's no biggie. I'll just correct people every now and then. Throw enough... stuff... and some of it has got to stick.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
"A Japanese fanboy geek who can bend space and time."
SOLD!
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
*maybe sweet-talks Irami into sharing the pilot file he found???????*
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
<sigh> -------.com.
[ July 24, 2006, 03:02 PM: Message edited by: starLisa ]
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
No sweat, Farmgirl, it's big file and I don't know if your inbox can take it, so here is what I'd do, hop over google, put in "BitLord", download version 1.1
I don't have a TV, so anytime I get a hankering for an old show-- or a new one-- I download it.
If you start now, it should be done by primetime tonight, after you put the kids to bed, you can have a little bit of sci-fi goodness.
Edit: Lisa, What's with the sigh?
Posted by aiua (Member # 7825) on :
As soon as you posted that, the number of downloaders jumped incredibly.
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
You can't stop the signal, aiua, and I'm not one to try. As I see it, fanboys like me are going to end up giving NBC or their advertisers money somehow, through either positive word of mouth or consistent patronage.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Thanks!
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong: Lisa, What's with the sigh?
Can I say that it was a prescient sigh over you recommending BitLord instead of BitComet?
Nah, I just worry about the wrong person seeing the post and one of the more useful sites I have bookmarked going the way of Suprnova.org. And in fact, since you've posted an actually torrent URL, I'm going to edit that one out now.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong: You can't stop the signal, aiua, and I'm not one to try. As I see it, fanboys like me are going to end up giving NBC or their advertisers money somehow, through either positive word of mouth or consistent patronage.
I'm certainly planning on watching it when it airs. I saw the pilots of Wonderfalls and Lost and Joan of Arcadia before they ever aired, and I watch them when they air. Well, not Wonderfalls and Joan, because they became network roadkill, but I would have anyway.
I saw the unaired eps of Firefly via download, and then I bought the DVD set. I own movies that I never would have heard of had it not been for the pirate sites. They've made money off of me downloading, bottom line. So I'm not too worried about it.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
i luv Azureus.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Is Azureus even a client? I thought it was a server app.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: "A Japanese fanboy geek who can bend space and time."
SOLD!
I know, right? But I guarantee you they won't use that phrasing for their advertising. Except maybe for commercials running on Sci-Fi, Comedy Central or USA Network. Anywhere else, they'd probably lose more viewers than they'd gain.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
azureus is a client for torrents yes out of bittorrent client, bitlord and a few others I liked Azureus the best.
Posted by aiua (Member # 7825) on :
quote:Originally posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong: You can't stop the signal, aiua, and I'm not one to try. As I see it, fanboys like me are going to end up giving NBC or their advertisers money somehow, through either positive word of mouth or consistent patronage.
I agree whole-heartedly. I always end up buying the series and such when it comes out on DVD anyway. Downloading is just to tide me over until that comes or to catch up on an episode I missed.
Posted by Kasie H (Member # 2120) on :
Netflix is releasing the pilots for "Kidnapped" and "Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip", two new NBC shows, on Aug. 5th.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Which means I should be able to watch the pilot for Studio 60 on or about August 6. I'm actually kind of surprised I haven't been able to find it out there.
I'd like to see the pilot for Day Break as well. Just to see whether it's going to be worth watching during the Lost hiatus.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Blayne is right on this one....Azureus is an app, and the best one IMO. I tried a few others, and Azureus has the best features by far.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by starLisa:
quote:Originally posted by PUNJABEE: She said something about [the 'younger' one] "pushing your brother out first,"
She told Peter that his brother takes up a lot of space/light and that it pushes him (Peter) out. Also that Peter always let his brother do that.
Ahhh.. that makes sense.
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
I downloaded the Bitlord (which took about one second, is it supposed to be that fast?) and then I clicked on the link Irami provided and it started downloading. Problem is on the Bitlord it's been saying under Status that it's been connecting for the past 10 minutes and hasn't even started downloading yet. Is it supposed to take this long just to connect?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
No, it is not normal. What speed connection do you have?
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
Ok it connected a few minutes ago. I have DSL. It took about 10 minutes to connect and I've downloaded 1 percent of it in 23 minutes (including the 10 minute connection). The Time Left just keeps going up and up.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
It guesses wrong a lot, don't worry. Your connection speed will vary as others connect and disconnect. With DSL it will take a while. Leave it on overnight,, and tomorrow you should be fine.
DSL isn't bad.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
GaalDornick - you are probably behind a firewall or a router. You need to open some ports on your router and it will move faster.
Do a google search for the brand name of your router like this
(google field:_____) bit torrent Netgear Model XXX
It will tell you how/where to open ports, and most importantly, use Azureus as your torrent client.
edit: by the way, if you're positive you're not behind a router or firewall, then I'm not sure what the problem is.
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
Huh? What am I supposed to type in to Google? I don't know the name of my router, how do I find it out?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
If it's any consolation, I too am a relatively high-speed DSL user (128K upload, .5M download) and have never -- never -- achieved better than half of the "average swarm speed" listed on Azureus; I hover pretty consistently around 15K up and 18K down, no matter what. I have no idea why.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I dl hero in like..... 30 minutes...... >.<
i can achieve upwards of 500kb/s on occasion depends on the number of seeders.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Tom, have you opened your ports and/or used port forwarding? Also, did you enable the program in your firewall list?
I know you are very computer savvy, so I hope you aren't offended by those questions, but even the most computer literate person can mess those up. Hell, you are one of the people who usually answer MY questions here.
VelourMan (my friend Kevin) use to be my computer guru. Now I am his in a lot of areas.
I get speed of over 500/kps on occasion as well, and average about 100 to 200/kps on most larger torrents. Kevin's computer, which I had told him how to set up, was taking a week to download torrents that I downloaded on days. We both had the same cable company too, so I knew it HAD to be something in the setup.
After messing around with it for him I was able to get his running about as fast as mine dies. He had forgotten to turn off his windows firewall, or it had turned itself on (which has happened to me more than once), and it was messing up his downloads.
Tom, set your upload speed to about 10-12/kps. When I had DSL doing that helped me download a LOT faster.
When I'm using the Internet for other things, I set my upload speed to 20. When I'm not, I leave it at unlimited. That gets me some fairly excellent download rates. But I'm not using DSL; I'm using cable. Yay, cable!
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by GaalDornick: Huh? What am I supposed to type in to Google? I don't know the name of my router, how do I find it out?
If you have a router, look at the actual piece of hardware. It will have it's brand name plastered everywhere. See if you can find it's model number, and go to google. Type in:
"Your_Routers_Brand_name_here bit torrent ports"
You'll most likely be led to a page that shows how to set up your router for bit-torrent.
Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
quote: But I'm not using DSL; I'm using cable. Yay, cable!
I miss my cable...stupid DSL Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Lisa, that still can bottleneck you. It should never be set on unlimited unless all you are doing is seeding.
Bittorrent needs some upload space to send out requests for new packets. If you are using all of your upload space uploading to other people then your program has to get in line to use upload space to request more packets. If you place a limit (I use 30-40/kps, and I have cable as well) on uploading then there is always room for the program to send information requests, leading to an increase in download speeds.
Sometimes significant increases.
I just had the highest download speed I have seen.....748/kps. It didn't stay for more than a few seconds, but the torrent averaged over 500/kps for about half an hour, until it finished.
A lot depends on the other people in the torrent. If the other seeders/leechers are on slow connections, or haven't set up their ports correctly, then the torrent will be a lot slower, even if you have cable and have everything set up correctly yourself.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
edited to not be the exact same thing that farmgirl posted directly above me.
Posted by Kasie H (Member # 2120) on :
Yay, thanks for the reminder. And God bless the Yahoo-TiVo partnership.
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kasie H: Yay, thanks for the reminder. And God bless the Yahoo-TiVo partnership.
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Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
Spoiler warning * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
I was reading John Joseph Adams' review if the pilot episode on IGMS. He pretty much trashes the show. I was pretty ambivalent myself on the pilot episode (it was good enough that I will check out at least a few more episodes). One of his comments seemed like he didn't get the same feeling from one of the characters as I did.
He says the following about Claire:
quote:When we first see Claire, she runs up to the top of a big staircase (70 or 80 feet high), and leaps off, and plummets to the ground...and slams into it. She doesn't think she can fly; she knows she's going to hit the ground, but she does this to further test her newfound ability to heal wounds. Is it just me, or does this seem an incredibly stupid way to test your powers? Admittedly, she informs us that this was attempt number six, so she'd tried five other death-defying stunts to test her ability, but is she suicidal? If her abilities fail one of her tests, she'll be dead. Doesn't seem like the best plan.
When I watched this it seemed to me that she was not testing her powers. It seemed like she was actually trying to kill herself. I imagine that she first discovered her powers on her first attempt at suicide. She seems really mad that she is surviving all of her attempts.
So what do you guys think?
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
I sort of agree with you. I'm not sure if she wants to die...but she is clearly not happy with her ability or life for that matter, and doesn't care if one of her experiments kills her.
I wasn't a big fan of the pilot, mostly because it seemed to much like a bunch of clips pasted together in an attempt to introduce us to all the characters. But then again, many pilots are like that. I think they really need to cut some characters out, or bring them together so the can interact together. If they keep jumping back and forth between characters it will really hurt the show.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Who watched?? I did...
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
It interested me enough that I'll watch the next few shows to see what happens.
Is it me, or have the last couple of years of television been amazing?
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
I thought the same thing - I guess I know what I'll be flipping from the game to watch next Monday at 9...
**Spoiler for different time zones and anyone who's going to watch tomorrow night**
So - you think that cheerleader's really adopted and what do you think about her dad being the creepy dude? I'm not the 'research shows and all the behind the scenes stuff' type, I usually just watch... so maybe these are really simple questions.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
*Spoiler*
The thing that wierded me out the most was the guy's(Victor?) painting of New York with the mushroom cloud. I wonder how that will pan out.
Other than that, the show intrigues me. I'm not sure if I'm interested, or completely confused.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
I caught a few differences between the online pilot from a couple of months ago and tonites pilot.
****SPOILERS****
quote: 1. I could have sworn the first painting that Isaac did was not a mushroom cloud, but a tidal wave/tsunami. I know for sure it wasn't in color before.
2. The music was different
3. Isaac didn't cut his hand off - I could have sworn I saw that his right hand was cut off in the other version because he chained himself to a wall. Maybe that's just me.
4. When Nathan Patrelli catches his brother when he falls in the original pilot - he doesn't drop him. In tonites he did.
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
I didn't notice the first 2, but the second two I agree with. I remember thinking, where is the saw when they got to the apartment. I guess they decided to change that.
As for the dropping, I thought that was odd as well. He came from below, why didn't he just catch him from underneath.
Posted by Vasslia Cora (Member # 7981) on :
Actually from the angle of the shot it looked more like he came from the side but I may just be remembering wrong.
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
well, his brother was at the top of a building and he was on the ground...so he was below his brother at the start. It just seemed he took an awkward path to save his brother.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
THIS SHOW IS AWSOME!
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I was mad they showed a preview to next weeks episode as they completely blow the outcome of the end of the pilot.
spoiler:
His brother jumps and he flies and catches him and then drops him, in the preview you see his brother in a hospital bed say something like, "You flew!" Well thanks for letting me know the non flying brother is just fine!
It was good enough that I will watch a few more episodes, but I felt like the pacing was a bit off. Maybe I am just channeling Lost, but it feels like they just opened the can of powers and turned it upside down and let us watch them dump it out. Did they need to reveal all the "Heroes" in one episode like that? I didn't like the way they presented the villain I hope he is more interesting then some government guy searching for unwitting super soldiers. I like the Japanese guy the most, personally I found his segments to be the most enjoyable to watch.
Also I have another spoilerific question
Was the man who is following the Indian man, he reveals himself in the cab to the Indian guy who jumps out of the cab and sprints off (SORRY I DONT HAVE THE NAMES DOWN!)Is that sinister guy also the father of the girl who can heal herself?
Also the artists picture was either a mushroom cloud or a HUGE explosion, I didnt notice any tsunami.
I know it would make more sense that the girl has tried to kill herself, failed and keeps trying now. But that was not definitively said during the show. Couldnt it be just as likely that she hurt herself, watched in amazement as the wound healed, and is testing the extent of her powers? Sure its stupid because she might go too far, but how often do teenagers think rationally about this sort of thing?
I would think most teenagers would sob and cry if their ability to commit suicide was snatched away from them
While we are on the topic of the self healing girl, SPOILER!
Was she just oblivious to the garbage disposal being on, or did she see it as another opportunity to test her healing powers? It seemed kind of silly to say she just forgot it was on, its pretty hard to miss a garbage disposal's whirring and humming.
Finally
Chris: I agree Television is amazing right now. So many great shows!
Posted by Vasslia Cora (Member # 7981) on :
I think it was the ring she was after, and she didn't care what about as long as she got the ring.
I too, really enjoyed Nakamura Hiro's segments.
Also, no that is not all the Heroes.
The "sinister guy" adopted her but he is not her real father.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I agree that the pilot was a little disjointed -- almost like a very long trailer...
quote: Was the man who is following the Indian man, he reveals himself in the cab to the Indian guy who jumps out of the cab and sprints off (SORRY I DONT HAVE THE NAMES DOWN!)Is that sinister guy also the father of the girl who can heal herself?
Yes, and that seemed to be the one thing they were trying to do near the end of the premiere-- tie all these people together through common threads. Because they apparently all need to be brought together for some major purpose (probably having to do with the mushroom cloud on New York).
Very comic-book style. I like it. Reminded me a little of "Unbreakable" in some of its pacing.
And we don't know that the one guy is "sinister" yet -- we just know that the scientist guy is dead, and that guy (the girl's father) was in his place when the son went to get his dad's research. We don't know what his purpose was yet in being there. If his own daughter is one of the "different ones" that makes an interesting twist.
FG
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
I thought the pilot was horrible. It had no plot. It gave no indication of how they got their powers even with clues we would have to sort out later. The characters (other than Hero) had no personality. Frankly, the powers were unimaginative. The pace was absolutely slow and boring.
I'm sticking with the 100 times better written 4400. Heros is a rip off and disappointment.
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I know it would make more sense that the girl has tried to kill herself, failed and keeps trying now. But that was not definitively said during the show. Couldnt it be just as likely that she hurt herself, watched in amazement as the wound healed, and is testing the extent of her powers? Sure its stupid because she might go too far, but how often do teenagers think rationally about this sort of thing?
She seemed pretty upset every time she got better though. If she was just testing her powers I think she would have thought that it was awesome that nothing could stop her.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
What a disappointment. It was terrible. Easily the worst television show I've seen in a while, and that includes 'Wife Swap.'
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
I vote to change the name of this show from 'Heroes' to 'Hosers.'
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I think you ought to give it a chance, Scott. They obviously have a LOT of ground to cover in a short period of time to set up the framework of the characters.
occassional - I think they pretty clearly outlined how they 'got their powers" through what the scientist guy was saying about his dad's research and the "next step of evolution" etc in the genetic code..
FG
Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
OMG, the Japanese guy is so adorable I just want to pinch his cheeks
Other than that I thought it was kinda eh, but I'll give it a few more shows to see if it improves.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
The show has possibilities as an imaginative departure from the usual mundane glop that passes for most TV shows. It does need to have a clearer plot development emerge.
I thought it was rather funny when the invulnerable girl faced her ultra-mundane mother and said, "I'm think I'm old enough to be told now. Who were my real parents?"
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
What a disappointment. It was terrible. Easily the worst television show I've seen in a while, and that includes 'Wife Swap.'
Your review is retarded. You didn't even get the point of the girl with the reflection. She doesn't get 'annoyed' with it, she sees something in it - something that apparently can do great harm to bad people - and is scared of it. I doubt you noticed that when she wakes up with those two dead people (one of them cut in half) and sees her reflection, her reflection's clothes are completely bloody, and her cheeks have two large gashes on them.
The non-reflection girl is not bloody, and does not have gashes on her face.
Apparently your review is meant to be chock full of sarcasm and wit, but it fails. Poorly. Your blog's header seems to be aptly named though.
Yes it's not the greatest show to appear on Television, but it's not nearly as drull as you make it out to be. Some people just don't get sci-fi I guess.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
quote:I think you ought to give it a chance, Scott. They obviously have a LOT of ground to cover in a short period of time to set up the framework of the characters.
What's wrong with taking the character development slowly? Instead of introducing five characters, introduce three. I would have been completely satisfied if the Japanese guy's story was the only one we saw last night.
As it is, Hiro is the ONLY character that has character. He's the only one I care about. All the rest of them are cardboard.
quote:The show has possibilities as an imaginative departure from the usual mundane glop that passes for most TV shows.
I thought 'Heroes' was a prime example of the mundane glop television makes of science fiction. I wish (and this is why I'm so bitter) that NBC had stuck with sitcoms and innane gameshows, rather than offer a flaccid imitation of science fiction. Every flop buries the genre deeper in disappointment.
Here's the thing: readership of the major sci-fi/fantasy mags (that's Analog, Fantasy and Science Fiction, Realms of Fantasy, and Asimovs) is all DOWN. Across the board. Asimovs lost 23% of it's readership (according to Gardener Dozois' 'Best Of--') this year.
Science fiction television is replacing the science fiction short story. And "Heroes" is what I get for losing Asimovs?
Heck, no.
Hopefully, internet sites like IGMS, Baen's Universe, Strange Horizons, etc., will turn the tide and save the artform. Or maybe when Sci-fi cancels BSG, one of the networks will have the cojones to pick it up and give it the exposure it deserves.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
quote:Some people just don't get sci-fi I guess.
Precious.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
I think I'm going to give it a couple more episodes...
I actually got bored a coupla times in the pilot (but I attribute this to seeing half of it in poor quality on line before the stream gave out.)
Pilots are frequently bad but lead to good shows. Bab 5 springs to mind.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vasslia Cora: I think it was the ring she was after, and she didn't care what about as long as she got the ring.
I thought it was pretty clear that she deliberately dropped the ring. You saw her taking it off and dropping it.
Eh. I'll give it a couple more episodes before I give up on it. Mostly cause of Hiro (though I wouldn't have given him a pun for a name).
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Hiro is actually a very common Japanese name, and I didnt pick up on the pun (man I have such a good pun radar too!.....or I guess this proves I dont)
I wonder how Hiro is going to communicate with anybody as he speaks no English (that we know).
The preview of the 2nd episode showed alot of promise, the artist putting a comic book together that the Japanese guy notices.
After seeing how terribly Firefly was treated by the Fox Network, I won't let a strange pilot screw me over into missing what could turn out to be quality TV.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Hiro is actually a very common Japanese name, and I didnt pick up on the pun (man I have such a good pun radar too!.....or I guess this proves I dont)
I wonder how Hiro is going to communicate with anybody as he speaks no English (that we know).
The preview of the 2nd episode showed alot of promise, the artist putting a comic book together that the Japanese guy notices.
After seeing how terribly Firefly was treated by the Fox Network, I won't let a strange pilot screw me over into missing what could turn out to be quality TV.
They actually made a joke about his name in the show. Hiro's friend calls him a "Super Hiro" in the subtitles.
Posted by Vasslia Cora (Member # 7981) on :
I don't know, I thought she was just think about the ring and it slipped.
And Hiro knows english, when he teleports to New York he shouts "Hello New York" or something like that. Also, I thought most people in Japan also knew english, maybe I am think of a book or something...
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Little_Doctor:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Hiro is actually a very common Japanese name, and I didnt pick up on the pun (man I have such a good pun radar too!.....or I guess this proves I dont)
I wonder how Hiro is going to communicate with anybody as he speaks no English (that we know).
The preview of the 2nd episode showed alot of promise, the artist putting a comic book together that the Japanese guy notices.
After seeing how terribly Firefly was treated by the Fox Network, I won't let a strange pilot screw me over into missing what could turn out to be quality TV.
They actually made a joke about his name in the show. Hiro's friend calls him a "Super Hiro" in the subtitles.
ahhh see I missed that because I was paying attention to what they were actually saying and I must have read Hiro and Hero.
If you listen to the Japanese they use alot of katakana pronounciations (Japanese sound alike words based on the English phoenetic spelling"
Spoke = Spoku
I don't know why but I just love hearing Japanese people say those english phrases Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vasslia Cora: I don't know, I thought she was just think about the ring and it slipped.
And Hiro knows english, when he teleports to New York he shouts "Hello New York" or something like that. Also, I thought most people in Japan also knew english, maybe I am think of a book or something...
sorry for double posting. Saying "Hello New York" would be REALLY easy for most non English speakers, they watch enough TV in Japan. And no MOST Japanese people don't speak English, but they can recognize some basic words because AGAINS they watch enough TV.
Posted by Vasslia Cora (Member # 7981) on :
I thought I might have just gotten my memory mixed up...
Although it did look like Hiro went back to Japan to show his friend the comic.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
I enjoyed it well enough, but only time will tell if the story they're working on telling will be good. At this point I know too little about where the story is going to judge whether they made good choices in the pilot or not.
"Why did they have to introduce so many characters in the pilot?" I seem to recall that Fox said the same thing about Firefly. Not saying that Heroes is in the same class as Firefly, but it has potential.
--Mel
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
quote: A final pet peeve: “Humans only use 10% of their brain power…” spoken by the Indian professor/token foreign man-toy. Here’s a rebuttal. Send him back to school. What exactly is he teaching, anyway? Biology? Philosophy? Theology? Oh, I know…Monologuing. See how rapt his students are? That’s because none of them have their SAG cards and he does.
Hey, Scott, he said something along the lines of "they say that humans use only 10% of their brains..." He didn't actually state it as fact. That was one thing I hated about The 4400. They used the whole 10% thing as a basis of their show.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
I will agree with Scott that when he was lecturing, the Indian guy was annoying. I got hung up on the 10% thing, too. Luckily, he only spent a few minutes in the classroom, and since he's now in New York playing detective, I doubt we'll be subjected to too many more lecture scenes. At least not ones that take place in classrooms.
--Mel
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
EG--
Gotcha. The '10% brain power' is used so often in these types of sci-fi shows, it's as standard an explanation as radiation (cosmic, gamma, alpha, etc) used to be. In any case, the character then went on to imagine that if humanity could unlock that other 90%, what powers would be available to them?
[ramble] I'm ASTOUNDED he mentioned teleportation among the powers. At that point, I wanted to throw a dagger in his throat. Personal, individually initiated, manual teleportation just doesn't work, scientifically, as our next evolutionary leap. Telepathy, greater dexterity, slimmer bodies, higher mental capacities, sure... There could be REASONS for those. But for teleportation? I can't imagine how that would even start to work.
In lieu of good characters, I want good theorhetical science. Marvel's X-men has mostly TERRIBLE science; but they have good characters. Heroes has neither. [/ramble]
They used the 10% brain power myth on Eureka! a couple weeks ago...it annoyed me then, too. But Eureka has quirkiness and actual characters, and a decent plot going for it. 'Heroes' just has beautiful faces.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
quote:"Why did they have to introduce so many characters in the pilot?" I seem to recall that Fox said the same thing about Firefly. Not saying that Heroes is in the same class as Firefly, but it has potential.
Ah, but the difference is that Firefly wasn't trying to cope with different major plots for each character. Because the characters were located in the same, confined geographical area, their characterizations were enhanced by their interactions with the other characters.
It also helped that Whedon used stock forms for his characters-- Caring Doctor, Scruffy Rebel, Exotic Whore, Exuberant Girl, Stupid Thug...those archetypes served the audience pretty well. And Whedon was able to build on those archetypes and give us things we never expected from them.
For another example of how a small set amplifies characterization, look at Lost. While backstory is extremely important to the show, it's all revealed within the framework of a small location and a small group of peers. Heroes has chosen a big cast of characters, revealing a big plot, in a big setting; Lost has a big cast, reaveals a big plot, in a small setting.
The tightness of the setting, I believe, makes for a more effective show.
(Incidentally, having two locations is one of my worries about the new season of BSG. I have faith they'll get it right; but Farscape kind of lost me when they began following two Chrictons.)
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
quote:Originally posted by Scott R: For another example of how a small set amplifies characterization, look at Lost.
Sorry, never seen it. I freely admit to being somewhat tv-naive. This is the first season in about four years that I even have any television, so I don't know all these cool shows y'all keep talking about. I think the last series that I actually followed was Star Trek: Voyager.
So, yeah, tv+scifi+halfway decent plot+characters that don't make me want to strangle them=me happy.
--Mel
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by Scott R: [idiocy] I'm ASTOUNDED he mentioned teleportation among the powers. At that point, I wanted to throw a dagger in his throat. Personal, individually initiated, manual teleportation just doesn't work, scientifically, as our next evolutionary leap. Telepathy, greater dexterity, slimmer bodies, higher mental capacities, sure... There could be REASONS for those. But for teleportation? I can't imagine how that would even start to work.
In lieu of good characters, I want good theorhetical science. Marvel's X-men has mostly TERRIBLE science; but they have good characters. Heroes has neither. [/idiocy]
Hey did you know that the 'fi' part in sci-fi is short for fiction?
Yeah. Back to the Future totally sucked. I mean... lol we can't travel through time! That's so laughable! And Star Wars? Travelling a tLIGHT SPEED and using swords made of light?! LOLOLL THATS JUST STUPID!
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Does anyone remember "Misfits of Science?" I only saw it twice, and I was a kid at the time, but one of the scenes that really impressed me was the following:
The team is trying to get in the house; Johnny B (who had electrical powers) has scouted it out and no one is inside. They're at the door-- the nerdy leader says, "Okay, Johnny-- blow it open."
Johnny gives him a sarcastic glance, points his finger at the door, and says, "BLAM!"
And then proceeds to open the unlocked door.
Wonderful stuff.
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
quote:Caring Doctor, Scruffy Rebel, Exotic Whore, Exuberant Girl, Stupid Thug...those archetypes served the audience pretty well. And Whedon was able to build on those archetypes and give us things we never expected from them.
I don't know if that's true. I thought the beauty of firefly was that the characters were likeable and totally predictable. They actually had character.
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
I'll give it a shot. A few more episodes at least. I kind of like the direction they're going with some things.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Irami--
Can you explain what you mean? Why does 'character' lead to predictability?
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
Didn't Hiro also speak in English when he protested, "I am not a peeping Tom" as he was being carried out of the women's room and thrown out onto the street?
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
I think he was still speaking japanese. I hope he does end up speaking english. I hate having to read while I am watching tv. I mean, come on, tv shouldn't involve thinking!
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
I think Heroes might have given us too much to follow the first episode, but I'm willing to give it another few views to see if it keeps me interested.
None of the characters made me want to poke myself in the eye, and the powers were done well, so I'm pretty satisfied with what I got.
I'm glad to see that there aren't any mega-heroes, laser beam blasters or super-strength warriors or so on. I hope the powers are somewhat a burden to the characters, and encourage them to be creative, rather than just smashing and blasting everything they see.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I haven't seen it yet, but the discussion here, and with some friends leads me to believe it's worth watching the first three episodes to give it a try. Anything beyond those three will have to be earned by the show, there's just too many new things this year, and too many returning favorites to put too much time into a new show. I usually pick one new show a year, and Studio 60 is that show this year.
(Must we compare EVERYTHING to Firefly?)
I read a book not too far back about the science of X-Men. While much of it is rather silly, the majority of it has to do with the mind's ability to effect the world around them. Basically everything comes back to an exotic form of telepathy. It's still not "science" but that's where the fiction part comes in.
As for a show like Heroes, aren't the powers really just window dressing? Isn't the part that matters the people who have the powers? What they do with them? How they handle having them and how it effects their lives? After all the superhero stories we've had over time, who really expects them to come up with something original with regards to the powers the people have? Between 4400 and Xmen alone, it's all been done to death. If the show has good characters, and good plot, I'll watch it.
Chances are if it's too much like Lost or X-Men I'll give it the boot. I couldn't watch too many shows like LOST, it's just too frustrating, and I've already seen enough X-Men to last a life time. Mainly, Heroes has to bring something NEW to the table, or chances are I won't watch it until at the very earliest it comes out on DVD.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
Mighty Cow, the truly creative part would be in trying to learn what is the right way to use such powers, so that the result is for the good, when too often we are not even sure what the good is.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
I thought it was a little too much like Hiatus for my taste.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elmer's Glue: I think he was still speaking japanese. I hope he does end up speaking english. I hate having to read while I am watching tv. I mean, come on, tv shouldn't involve thinking!
Get used to reading subtitles, then you can become an elitest when you watch foreign films and watch them in their original language. You will start to dislike, even abhore English dubbing.
In all honesty though, I am REALLY glad they stuck to Japanese and used subtitles it immersed me much better. In Lose the Koreans speak Korean to each other and the girls ability to speak English is eventually worked into the story line, but I liked it MUCH better that way.
There are so many more possibilities if Hiro cannot speak English.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
Um, how does not being able to do something make more possibilities?
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I just saw it... JEEZ!!! That was great.
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
quote:Um, how does not being able to do something make more possibilities?
It forces you to make harder decisions and think harder on what you can do.
Posted by Mintieman (Member # 4620) on :
Man, this show was pretty bad. Pompous, more than anything. Nothing really going for it.
Oh and punjabee? Two terms for you. Internal Coherence and Suspension of Disbelief.
Just because its fiction doesn't mean they can throw things at you, and you're a moron if you dont just accept it.
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
All of the voice overs can be cut to make the show more palatable.
[ October 02, 2006, 06:52 PM: Message edited by: Irami Osei-Frimpong ]
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mintieman: Man, this show was pretty bad. Pompous, more than anything. Nothing really going for it.
Oh and punjabee? Two terms for you. Internal Coherence and Suspension of Disbelief.
Just because its fiction doesn't mean they can throw things at you, and you're a moron if you dont just accept it.
Translation: You're a huge freakin' nerd.
Get over it. It's fiction. Writers can throw anything they want at you. I guess Mr. Card sucks as a writer because there's no way an alien ant race can contact a human through our aiwas, right? He must be on crack if he thinks an artificial intelligence built 40 million years ago can talk to humans and get them to come back to earth.
Nitpicking idiots make me laugh.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elmer's Glue: Um, how does not being able to do something make more possibilities?
The inability to communicate or the higher chance for miscommunication allows for myriad of outcomes whereas if everybody can talk and communicate just fine the outcome is usually easier to predict AND less interesting.
BUT!
I can't STAND the cliche where somebody hears part of a conversation and jumps to conclusions, it drives me NUTS. I am much more interested in seeing what Hiro would do if he cannot understand what is being said to him, and has no idea what he is doing in NYC but pieces it together.
Spoilers:
Interetingly enough shouldnt Hiro be able to just go back and forth between Tokyo and New York without any difficulty? Also is time actually passing every time he teleports? Or is the clock speeding up just an illusion due to his bending space/time?
Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
ok, similar to what most people have been saying:
I think there's possibility to the series, and I'm interested to see where exactly they go with it, but I agree that the pilot was pretty weak in its drawing power (mostly too much crammed in).
Also, I'm torn on the Teleportation thing... Hiro was my favorite character from the first episode, but the suspension of disbelief is a pretty valid concern.
When they attempt to couch the abilities within the realm of "normal" human evolution then you're drawing lines as to what people should be expecting. i.e. fast regeneration, super speed and other things regarding the manipulation of your body are a lot easier to swallow with this explanation than the ability to bend space-time and teleport. (though admittedly flying also falls into this shady category in my opinion).
basically, if they had taken out the speech by the geneticist son-guy I could swallow the teleportation and the flying a bit easier (and the show would offend my scientific senses less).
Additionally, while I can understand how you would happen upon the ability to regenerate fast etc, how do you "discover" that you can bend space time if you spend 2 minutes furiously concentrating on it? I would be happier if we got an explanation about Hiro that one morning he was really wishing he wasn't running 5 minutes late and suddenly the clocks all moved backwards 5 mintes... much as I think it would be cool, I don't sit at my desk furrowing my brows at my clock for minutes at a time...
And Punjabee, while I don't stand by mintieman's wording, there is a world of difference between what a good science fiction writer does and some of the mistakes the writers of Heroes are making. OSC made painful effort to carefully lay down a basis for his fiction (such as the explanation of auia's) whereas this is really more fantasy in a modern setting than sci-fi, but it claims to be sci-fi (which is the problem).
Basically, if you have magic, and just claim that it's magic and doesn't obey the normal laws of physics then you prolly won't have much argument. However, when you start claiming that something is happening because of a fairly well-known field of science that goes directly against much other known science people are going to be upset.
Much as it's cheesy, back when Gamma rays were used to explain the Hulk or the Fantasic 4 it was the "magic" explanation that you could just suspend your disbelief on. Or when Peter Parker is bit by a special spider and gains enhanced but generally believable physical traits it doesn't cause much problems. But when I start wandering around saying "I got hit by a bus, which means I can teleport and stop time" people question it because they've seen what happens when you get hit by a bus.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by TheGrimace: ok, similar to what most people have been saying:
I think there's possibility to the series, and I'm interested to see where exactly they go with it, but I agree that the pilot was pretty weak in its drawing power (mostly too much crammed in).
Also, I'm torn on the Teleportation thing... Hiro was my favorite character from the first episode, but the suspension of disbelief is a pretty valid concern.
When they attempt to couch the abilities within the realm of "normal" human evolution then you're drawing lines as to what people should be expecting. i.e. fast regeneration, super speed and other things regarding the manipulation of your body are a lot easier to swallow with this explanation than the ability to bend space-time and teleport. (though admittedly flying also falls into this shady category in my opinion).
basically, if they had taken out the speech by the geneticist son-guy I could swallow the teleportation and the flying a bit easier (and the show would offend my scientific senses less).
Additionally, while I can understand how you would happen upon the ability to regenerate fast etc, how do you "discover" that you can bend space time if you spend 2 minutes furiously concentrating on it? I would be happier if we got an explanation about Hiro that one morning he was really wishing he wasn't running 5 minutes late and suddenly the clocks all moved backwards 5 mintes... much as I think it would be cool, I don't sit at my desk furrowing my brows at my clock for minutes at a time...
And Punjabee, while I don't stand by mintieman's wording, there is a world of difference between what a good science fiction writer does and some of the mistakes the writers of Heroes are making. OSC made painful effort to carefully lay down a basis for his fiction (such as the explanation of auia's) whereas this is really more fantasy in a modern setting than sci-fi, but it claims to be sci-fi (which is the problem).
Basically, if you have magic, and just claim that it's magic and doesn't obey the normal laws of physics then you prolly won't have much argument. However, when you start claiming that something is happening because of a fairly well-known field of science that goes directly against much other known science people are going to be upset.
Much as it's cheesy, back when Gamma rays were used to explain the Hulk or the Fantasic 4 it was the "magic" explanation that you could just suspend your disbelief on. Or when Peter Parker is bit by a special spider and gains enhanced but generally believable physical traits it doesn't cause much problems. But when I start wandering around saying "I got hit by a bus, which means I can teleport and stop time" people question it because they've seen what happens when you get hit by a bus.
Maybe its just me but have you ever just ONCE tried to stare at a clock and make it stop for a few moments, possibly a minute if you are determined. I rank it up there with squinting your eyes to see if you have X ray vision, or somebody challenging you to read their thoughts and you try to for just a few seconds.
I could easily see Hiro as having made clocks hiccup the first time he tried to slow down time, just enough that he was not SURE he had actually done it, but something had definately happened. You try here and there and once you just try really hard and succeed.
Posted by Mintieman (Member # 4620) on :
quote:Originally posted by PUNJABEE: [Translation: You're a huge freakin' nerd.
Get over it. It's fiction. Writers can throw anything they want at you. I guess Mr. Card sucks as a writer because there's no way an alien ant race can contact a human through our aiwas, right? He must be on crack if he thinks an artificial intelligence built 40 million years ago can talk to humans and get them to come back to earth.
Nitpicking idiots make me laugh.
Considering Mr. Card sold me those far fetched premises without prompting any sort of "nitpicking" I'd say that he's a damned fine writer, and a master of his craft.
Unlike these fellows.
Writers can throw anything they want at me sure, but just because it's fiction doesn't mean its immune from criticism that it's illogical.
I gotta admit, your translation isn't exactly incorrect either ^^
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Just saw episode #2 HOLY CRAP! I am hooked!
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
Don't know if I'm 'hooked' yet, but I'm still going to try a few more episodes.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I can't see it on Monday nights, because I have to take my oldest to dance. I plan on catching it on SciFi Friday nights when it replays. Unless we go to the football game. In other words, I may never see it.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Just saw episode #2 HOLY CRAP! I am hooked!
I have quite a few questions that Ill work through while I am at work tomorrow.
Well heres ones, WARNING SPOILERS:
Did you guys notice the F looking symbol in the artists studio? The pattern showed up again when the Indian guy was looking at the flash memory chips data on his laptop, and in the very next scene in the pool a tube and some floaties are making the symbol (right before the cop is arrested).
Did any of you catch the symbol in other places? Or during the pilot episode?
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
not completely hooked yet, but I am getting there.
I think the second episode was an improvement over the first, and it has really got me interested.
Studio 60 does have me hooked though. That show is funny.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Get over it. It's fiction. Writers can throw anything they want at you.
Yes, they can. And if they ignore internal consistency, they will notice their readers (or viewers) abandoning them. A well-written book or show or movie will stick to its own internal logic because it draws the reader/viewer into that world.
I guess Mr. Card sucks as a writer because there's no way an alien ant race can contact a human through our aiwas, right? He must be on crack if he thinks an artificial intelligence built 40 million years ago can talk to humans and get them to come back to earth. Card's worlds are internally consistent, scrupulously so. When reading them you can start to think ahead and predict what might happen based on what's happened already, and even when he goes a different direction (as he usually does) it fits in with what's been carefully established about the world and the characters in it. If he had written "Ender's Game" and revealed that Ender knew all along and did it anyway for fun, the book would fall flat and readers would feel cheated because we "know" Ender wouldn't do that.
I can be entertained by books or shows that violate their own continuity or implied physics, but I won't get invested in them. They're mind candy, creations that cannot draw you in too far because you can't trust your assumptions. You're not "in" that world, you're only watching it. Where I think you're making a mistake is suggesting that all entertainment is mind candy. To you, maybe, and some people, and more power to you. You'll probably enjoy a lot more books and shows than I ever will.
I prefer writers talented enough to stay inside the lines of the worlds they've built and surprise me anyway.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
I liked Ep2 much more than the pilot. Nathan is a total jerk.
One spoilery comment, though. This is a show for geeks. Desperate housewives in Iowa are not watching it. So they need to at least try to get the more obvious bits of science right. I can suspend disbelief with the flying and invulnerability and telekenisis and mastery of space and time. I can't deal with the sound of a bomb getting there before the light. That's a simple gotcha, and it irks me.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
I missed most of it, but what I saw of it redeemed many of the problems with the first episode. I didn't like where the CIA chick arrested the telepathic cop-- it seemed, story-wise, very heavy-handed.
Irami, Grimace and Chris are wise beyond reckoning. They all said more succinctly, kindly, and wisely what I've been thinking.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Maybe she's a bad guy. In cahoots with Sylar. Speaking of which, is Sylar Claire's dad, or do we just not know yet?
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
I'm really interested, but it's a bit too gory for me. The images of that little girl's parents stayed with me and in the middle of the night I couldn't sleep because of them. Ick. Isn't there any other way?
Oh, and I didn't like Miss Web-Cam's story either. It probably bothers me most because she's a mother. I can't handle worrying about the things she's doing with her kid around, or the times she's not aware of what she's doing and her kid is neglected.
I like what was said about how teleporting doesn't fit with the "evolution of man" thesis. I like Hiro's story and his character is a riot, but somehow it doesn't really ... fit.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I liked episode #2 as well. Although, as said above, it was a little more gory than I expected -- what with the brain stealing and all...
FG
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Pretty sure Sylar is NOT Claire's dad as he was in the taxi cab with the Indian guy in the pilot and he let him just run away. Why wouldn't he have eaten his brain? I think he is more likely a government/unknown agency goon, probably alligned with that "exterminator" who was bugging the Indian guys house. Man I really want to learn everybodies name in that show, so I can stop referring to them by their powers or country of origin.
As for brain stealing/eating. Is it Syler that is doing the brain thing? If so is he killing at random? He took the brain of the artist, and the father of the little girl but not the mother. I'm still trying to figure that one out.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
It looks like there's more than one bad mutant. One who freezes people, one who eats brains, and one who has telekenesis (and can lift someone up against a wall and throw knives into them). Bad, bad, bad. Maybe Claire's dad is their Magneto.
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
Wait, where are we getting the information that someone is eating brains? I made a different assumption ... that someone was stealing brains for some nefarious purpose, but I didn't assume anyone was eating them.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: ]
Did any of you catch the symbol in other places? Or during the pilot episode?
Yes it was in a couple of other places. In that picture that Peter drew when he was in the hospital (which was actually forshadowing of his small bit of flight at the end) he drew it in the upper left hand corner.
It was also on the big map at Mohinder's apartment (well his fathers, but whatever). It was written on a post-it note with a question mark next to it.
I'm sorry but if some people still don't like this show, especially after the 2nd episode being awesome..
They're imbeciles.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by Belle: I can't see it on Monday nights, because I have to take my oldest to dance. I plan on catching it on SciFi Friday nights when it replays. Unless we go to the football game. In other words, I may never see it.
Why don't you just DVR it?
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
I watched the first two episodes but don't have time to read this whole thread. I've a mixed reaction to the show....I love the premise, but don't really like the execution all that well. It's so friggin' slllloooooowwwww. I don't care about any of the characters yet, and am hating the villian setup on Claire's dad. It just doesn't ring up as believable to me. His malevolence watching the tape of her doesn't ring at all true with the loving dad role...I don't think it's possible to fake it that well 24/7. Claire would have to twig to her dad's malice. It would show up in other things. You can't hide who you are all the time. Instead, it almost appears that she is closer to him than to her mother.
And it was way, way too gruesome for me. I thought it went way over the line of reasonable taste for tv. Movies, fine, but it crossed the line for me.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote:One who freezes people, one who eats brains, and one who has telekenesis (and can lift someone up against a wall and throw knives into them).
Yeah - I'm not sure where you got the idea they are being "eaten" either -- I never picked up on that. I thought more "stealing".
I never thought of all those things as being possible more than one bad man, either. I just assumed Syler/Siler (however it is going to be spelled) to be doing all of the above.
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
I agree with Jeniwren. I love the idea and could see myself really enjoying the characters, but something about the execution is off. Its very forced and cliched. Any scene with Claire's dad is ridiculous. Even the soundbites are corny.
And the pacing is odd. Sometimes it feels slow and sometimes we're just being thrown information.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
I thought this episode was a blast.
But yeah, Clare's dad, blackout woman.. don't really like those plots. Hiro is a little cutie, but totally implausable.
I liked that the telepathic cop got busted in that "Oh no!" way.
I taped it for my hubby and I told him I liked the ending. He said "So they all died?" I said "actually..... yeah!"
Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
ditto to what many people have been saying, and thanks Scott for the compliments
Some clarifications on my thoughts after seeing the second episode:
1) I'm more ok with Hiro's powers now. On further thinking, I guess I'm not really against the teleportation and flying as potential powers so much as I'm against the Indian guy claiming that genetic mutation would likely lead there... especially since in episode 2 they made more of a point of saying "is this science or is it God or something"
2) Agreed about Clare's dad, much as you can be a different person at work and at home it's hard to swallow that someone who's seemingly a merciless 'government' hitman (or something like that) is also going to be a well-loved father.
3) The murders, I'm actually suprised that they could show that much graphic gore on network TV, and I agree it was pretty excessive. But they also made me question/comment on a couple things: a) both sets of murders had the brain eating/stealing thing going on (not the mom in the first one). b) while time obviously could play a factor, I find it odd that the first murder they make a point of emphasizing the freezing of the guy wheras the second murder there doesn't seem to be any sign of freezing. (maybe he's already thawed, but it just seems odd to completely dismiss it the second time when you pointed it out clearly the first time). c) why was there the gun in the artist's apartment? Syler doesn't seem to need/use guns from all appearances, and I wouldn't peg it as the artists, so... d) as for the arrest of the psychic cop: he legitimately passed by the two other investigators as the one mentioned that Syler did it, so why does she act like he couldn't possibly know that name?
definately more interesting, but also definately still a flawed show... we'll see how it goes.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote: d) as for the arrest of the psychic cop: he legitimately passed by the two other investigators as the one mentioned that Syler did it, so why does she act like he couldn't possibly know that name?
Did she SAY it, or did she THINK it? He was hearing both. And I would have to go back and re-watch to know whether when he heard the name, it was her thoughts or her words.
FG
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote: 1) I'm more ok with Hiro's powers now. On further thinking, I guess I'm not really against the teleportation and flying as potential powers so much as I'm against the Indian guy claiming that genetic mutation would likely lead there... especially since in episode 2 they made more of a point of saying "is this science or is it God or something"
Why not Science trying to play God?
quote: 2) Agreed about Clare's dad, much as you can be a different person at work and at home it's hard to swallow that someone who's seemingly a merciless 'government' hitman (or something like that) is also going to be a well-loved father.
We do not know he is a hitman. We have seen him at the Indian's fathers' apt after he had died, in the taxi with the Indian guy and at home with Claire. He could have killed the Indian guy in the taxi but he didnt, which leads me to believe he is not a hitman. TONS of government workers have families that have no clue what they do at the office.
quote: c) why was there the gun in the artist's apartment? Syler doesn't seem to need/use guns from all appearances, and I wouldn't peg it as the artists, so...
Why not peg it on the artist? He WAS feeling suicidal, maybe he was about to kill himself, or simply had the gun in his apt because he was thinking about it alot.
quote: d) as for the arrest of the psychic cop: he legitimately passed by the two other investigators as the one mentioned that Syler did it, so why does she act like he couldn't possibly know that name?
The cop was still acting evasive when he answered he questions. Definately enough to warrant questioning. I was suprised that she didnt even seem to notice his verbal response to her thought "Like you heard the little girl." By the end of her exchange he was responding verbally to her thoughts and she simply arrested him.
I like where things are going, I really have NO idea how the mirror girls power works, it seems so unpredicable. It might not make good TV but I like the idea of somebody having a power that can only accomplish evil and having to spend all your time working on "Damage control."
I wish they would show us more of her son, they showed him fixing a computer chip in the pilot, apparently his inteligence has nothing to do with observation.
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
quote:TONS of government workers have families that have no clue what they do at the office.
That's not quite the same thing as having a clearly malevolent bent toward someone (or in this case, I think, something -- the superpowers) and consistently showing love in that direction in a convincing way at the same time, over YEARS, day in and day out, even when you're tired and grumpy. I just don't buy it.
Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
Blackblade, I agree for the most part with what you're saying. A lot of my potential gripes are just initial reactions and may be proven wrong or shown to be based on false assumptions.
for the science playing God part... my main point here is that anyone trying to claim that a "reasonable" extension of evolution is teleportation I'd probably call a nutjob. But if you want to throw in the possibilities of magical-type explanations (even something dealing with unknown science a la gamma rays from back in the day) I'm more ok with it.
True that we don't know that Clare's dad is a hitman per se, but we definately get the aura of malevolence layed on pretty thickly. And the fact that he didn't kill the Indian guy doesn't necessarily prove that he isn't, he actually mentions that "they" must not want him dead because they could have killed him already (a couple of times now at least). I think at this point "they" are still trying to see the results of his work and get some kind of gain from it before making any overt moves against him.
But even given the government workers have normal lives thing I just can't jive the really friendly father combined with the dark malevolent watching of videos etc... but maybe it will be explained better as the show continues to flesh them all out.
Suicidal artist I can get, but maybe it's just me being a nitpicky engineer, but that gun looked suspicously similar to the one the "exterminator" was using earlier. I picture a poor junkie artist killing himself with a cheap .38 special revolver, not a new shiny semi-auto pistol with what appears to be a sound or flash suppressor (maybe I'm just reading waay to into it though)
I'm not saying that the cop wasn't acting erratic and that they didn't necessarily have reason to arrest him, but she did say the name Syler aloud because the other woman commented back to her about it, making some mention of words on the lips of a dying man, and never having proven anything about another case...
I definately think mirro-girl's son will play a role later on, they wouldn't be introducing extraneous characters and telling us interesting infor (like the adeptness with electronics) for nothing. and he's really cute.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
This show is great.
I think the whole thing of being able to tell where the heroes are is pretty far fetched.
And, didn't the flying guy do the same thing the artist can while he was in the hospital?
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
so, anyone still watching?
I really am wondering if that girl that hangs out with Mohinder can be trusted. Something about her just seems a little bit off.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I caught part of the end of last night's episode, having seen nothing prior, and the part where it showed the girl who was dead on the autopsy table but then came back to life with her chest flayed open in front of her was possibly the freakiest thing I've ever seen in my life.
I'd like to catch up on the show, but I also want to catch up on and give a chance to Jericho and Friday Night Lights too. And 30 Rock which starts tomorrow, but I doubt I'll actually keep up with when I can watch Studio 60 and get the same thing more or less (only better).
Considering how much television I used to watch three years ago, I'm amazed with myself that there are only three shows I'm actually keeping up on now. Studio 60, NCIS, and LOST (which I actually missed last week, but I intend to keep up with it).
Posted by KarlEd (Member # 571) on :
I'm really enjoying the show so far. I agree that there are some annoyances with a couple of the characters, but not enough to make me not want to watch.
We PVRed it, and just got around to watching it Monday night and last night. Actually, we started the first episode over the weekend, but I was so darned tired it couldn't hold my attention, (though from reading this thread now, maybe that's not entirely because I was tired), but maybe since I basically watched the first and second episodes back to back on Monday, the second episode ameliorated the weaknesses of the first.
Anyway, we're PVRing it and plan to follow it unless it gets really bad.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I'm stil watching it. Annoyed with how many commercial interruptions there are.
Is the comic book changing as he goes through and lives them out? That's one thing I didn't figure out -- if all those scenes were already there, or if it changed as Hiro changed things.
Posted by KarlEd (Member # 571) on :
Well, he chose to rent the car rather than fly because the panel in the comic book "told" him to. I can only guess that the panels appear as he's moving through the story, otherwise you'd think he'd just skip to the end and find out what's going on.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
The bottom of the panel that had them heading into Vegas said "To Be Continued at the bottom. I think he's at the end of his comic book guidance.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Olivet: The bottom of the panel that had them heading into Vegas said "To Be Continued at the bottom. I think he's at the end of his comic book guidance.
I think this is how it is as well.
Spoiler
Did anybody else tense up when Syler had that girl put a gun to her own head?
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
BB: I thought "Oh.. I liked that actress... But I guess they only had her for a coupla episodes."
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote: Did anybody else tense up when Syler had that girl put a gun to her own head?
yes.
So what's with the ONE guy in the bar that the cop couldn't read his mind -- he just stared. Is that going to be Sylar, you think?
FG
Posted by Verloren (Member # 9771) on :
quote: So what's with the ONE guy in the bar that the cop couldn't read his mind -- he just stared. Is that going to be Sylar, you think?
SPOILER: If you have it recorded, go back and look at the necklace the guy was wearing. Then go back and look at the "code" Mohinder was looking at that his father did. You'll see something very interesting!
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I do have it recorded. I will do that!
Posted by EKR (Member # 9545) on :
So I have a few of my own theories on this show...
Perhaps Sylar's powers are similar to those of Leech's in X-Men. Maybe he acquires the "powers" of the brains he takes? He does seem to have a variety of powers as it is... The map of targets may be all or most of the people with powers he's looking to acquire.
I'm not sure of my reasoning behind this so bear with me, could DL and Sylar be the same person?
And with Hiro learning to speak English, could he use his abilities to learn the language in a mere "instant?"
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Verloren:
quote: So what's with the ONE guy in the bar that the cop couldn't read his mind -- he just stared. Is that going to be Sylar, you think?
SPOILER: If you have it recorded, go back and look at the necklace the guy was wearing. Then go back and look at the "code" Mohinder was looking at that his father did. You'll see something very interesting!
You can see the symbol in several other places if you pay attention. Try the pool in the 2nd episode.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by EKR: So I have a few of my own theories on this show...
Perhaps Sylar's powers are similar to those of Leech's in X-Men. Maybe he acquires the "powers" of the brains he takes? He does seem to have a variety of powers as it is... The map of targets may be all or most of the people with powers he's looking to acquire.
I'm not sure of my reasoning behind this so bear with me, could DL and Sylar be the same person?
And with Hiro learning to speak English, could he use his abilities to learn the language in a mere "instant?"
That might explain the whole brain taking action neh?
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Spoilers- list of characters and super power.
Peter's power is to "Steal" other people's power like Rogue.
Nathan Can Fly
Artist dude paints the future
Cheerleader regenerates
Single White Mother has a deadly split personality
Police Guy can read minds.
Hiro can bend space time.
Micah (SWM's kid) has abilities yet unrevealed. So does his father.
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Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Did anyone notice that when Hiro first comes to Ando, Anod is watching the video of Claire?
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Yes -- actually that was in two of the episodes -- that his friend was the one buying video of the other character (the alter-ego lady -- not Clare --she's the teenager).
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Farmgirl:
quote: Did anybody else tense up when Syler had that girl put a gun to her own head?
yes.
So what's with the ONE guy in the bar that the cop couldn't read his mind -- he just stared. Is that going to be Sylar, you think?
It wasn't just that he couldn't read his mind. It seemed to me like the guy basically jammed Matt's telepathy. He stopped hearing everyone in the bar when the guy stared at him.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Farmgirl: Yes -- actually that was in two of the episodes -- that his friend was the one buying video of the other character (the alter-ego lady -- not Clare --she's the teenager).
I got the feeling that he was actually the one watching her when we first saw her. The one who wanted more and yelled at her when she said it'd cost him.
And it's Niki. The folks over at TWoP have already named her mirror image "ikiN".
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote: And it's Niki. The folks over at TWoP have already named her mirror image "ikiN".
that's cool.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Here are some semi-spoilers and tidbitds from IMdb.
First of all, if you look at the little photo next to D.L. Hawkins (Niki's hubby), you'll see that it's the guy from the bar. So if that was Sylar, then D.L. is Sylar. But I doubt it. Though no one else is credited as being Sylar.
Hiro Nakamura - Bends space and time Ando Masahashi - Hiro's sidekick Niki Sanders - Has a very effective mirror image Micah Sanders - Niki's son D.L. Hawkins - Niki's husband Mohinder Suresh - Can talk forever without getting tired Chandra Suresh - Mohinder's late father Eden MacKenzie - Friend of Chandra (maybe), who couldn't pronounce Chandra, but has no problem with Mohinder (and I think is evil) Nathan Petrelli - Can fly and be a heartless jerk Peter Petrelli - Maybe he can borrow others' powers Matt Parkman - Telepath Claire Bennet - Regenerates Horned Rim Glasses - Claire's adopted father and squicksome bad guy. Maybe has powers, maybe doesn't.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Farmgirl:
quote: And it's Niki. The folks over at TWoP have already named her mirror image "ikiN".
that's cool.
no no no thats, "looc."
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
And I think that Peter has the most superhero-ish name of them all, being that it's alliterative.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: Spoilers- list of characters and super power.
Peter's power is to "Steal" other people's power like Rogue.
Nathan Can Fly
Artist dude paints the future
Cheerleader regenerates
Single White Mother has a deadly split personality
Police Guy can read minds.
Hiro can bend space time.
Micah (SWM's kid) has abilities yet unrevealed. So does his father.
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You forgot
Syler: Likely Cheerleaders father. Possible powers include regeneration, freezing people, levitation, telekenesis.
Also, How did you get that Peter's power was to steal other people's powers? I would have said that both Peter and Nathan had the power to fly?
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
I guessed "borrowing other powers" for Peter too. There was quite a bit of talk about how he empathizes with people, especially Nathan. Just take it to the superhero level.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: Spoilers- list of characters and super power.
Peter's power is to "Steal" other people's power like Rogue.
Nathan Can Fly
Artist dude paints the future
Cheerleader regenerates
Single White Mother has a deadly split personality
Police Guy can read minds.
Hiro can bend space time.
Micah (SWM's kid) has abilities yet unrevealed. So does his father.
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You forgot
Syler: Likely Cheerleaders father. Possible powers include regeneration, freezing people, levitation, telekenesis.
Also, How did you get that Peter's power was to steal other people's powers? I would have said that both Peter and Nathan had the power to fly?
He has yet to fly when not around Steven. See him practicing in at the playground in the third episode.
He might STILL be able to fly, but has yet to learn how to activate the ability. But with the evidence we have thus far he could PLAUSIBLY be borrowing others power.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
TVGuide confirmed that Peter's power is to borrow other peoples power.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Oh, and Sylar is an awesome villian, btw. I'm in the "he eats superhero's brain, gains their ability permanantly."
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by Verloren:
quote: So what's with the ONE guy in the bar that the cop couldn't read his mind -- he just stared. Is that going to be Sylar, you think?
SPOILER: If you have it recorded, go back and look at the necklace the guy was wearing. Then go back and look at the "code" Mohinder was looking at that his father did. You'll see something very interesting!
You can see the symbol in several other places if you pay attention. Try the pool in the 2nd episode.
It's also written on the side of one of claire's textbooks, and in her notes. My family and I watch each episode twice, only paying attention to where the symbol shows up the second time around. We are losers.
Posted by Dasa (Member # 8968) on :
I thought the recurring "f" like sign (wasn't it there on the Amazing Evolution book as well?) was just a representation of the double helix. Did anyone else think so too?
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
Well, it could be, but why would they hide it in so many places? Also, why hide it in scenes and objects that are obviously important to the story? I think there has got to be something more to it.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
What's the symbol look like? I must have missed it.
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
You know the Macromedia Flash F thingy? It kinda looks like that.
Oh, I know that symbol. Was it seen at all in the first episode? I have quick access to the first episode since Amanecer gave me a card for a free iTunes download of it. If not, I'll just keep my eyes out for it next week.
Posted by Dasa (Member # 8968) on :
There are a bunch of shots of the symbol as seen in the show about 3/4 of the way down the page. Post #18 I believe.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Thanks for the link, Little_Doctor. Interesting to see it there. I hadn't noticed it at all. Now I've got something else to keep my eyes out for.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
You know, I like the premise of the show and all of the characters, but if Sylar is going to be the main plotline, I don't think I can watch it. I'm terrified of serial killers, I'll have nightmares for months after I see a show about one. I can't watch a season of shows about one.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I just caught episode 3. Mostly good. I liked the fact that Hiro's always carrying on about being different and wanting to be an individual, but then he turns around and follows the comic book's instructions exactly. To the point where he's demanding the car in the picture. Somehow I doubt Hiro sees the irony. Between Hiro/Ando and Claire/camera guy, I'm wondering if the conformity/individual thing is going to be a recurring theme.
I have two quibbles with the ep. First, who would keep a witness in a secure location in a basement with bad lighting, one cop, and a back door? Makes me wonder if they're not really the FBI or if it was just bad writing.
Second, I didn't like Claire and the quarterback at the party. He's been crushing on her for a while, his goal of the evening is to make her laugh, and then he turns around and acts like that? Huh? Shouldn't there have been some warning signs or something? It felt a bit contrived to me.
Posted by KarlEd (Member # 571) on :
quote: It felt a bit contrived to me.
Me too.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Well, -- I kind of forgave the sudden change in the quarterback in that it was obvious all the kids had been drinking (they made a point of mentioning that heavily) -- so that's probably how they are explaining his sudden shift in personality. Granted, there wasn't much time between he seemed all sweet and caring to when he began being pushy -- but I have known guys like that -- the charming is a ruse.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by blacwolve: You know, I like the premise of the show and all of the characters, but if Sylar is going to be the main plotline, I don't think I can watch it. I'm terrified of serial killers, I'll have nightmares for months after I see a show about one. I can't watch a season of shows about one.
So I'm guessing you don't watch Dexter?
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by AvidReader: Second, I didn't like Claire and the quarterback at the party. He's been crushing on her for a while, his goal of the evening is to make her laugh, and then he turns around and acts like that? Huh? Shouldn't there have been some warning signs or something? It felt a bit contrived to me.
Actually, I thought it was nice that they weren't doing the usual thing of making a rapist seem like a creep from the get-go. Rapists can be extremely charming right up until they turn Mr. Hyde.
Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
"You just need to relax" is such a classic date rapist line. What felt unbelievable to me is that he looks a little small to be a Texas HS quarterback.
Mohinder's little pixie neighbor is totally a bad guy and it's a little distracting (in its unbelievable-ness) that Mohinder immediately trusts with all of his secrets. Also, she couldn't pronounce "Chandra?"
Mohinder is dreamy. Possible Sylar/DL is dreamy.
I don't think Possible Sylar/DL is Claire's biological father. He's a dark-skinned black man and she's a pale, blonde white girl. I also don't think DL and Sylar are the same person - it's implied that DL has been living in Vegas for some time and Sylar was living in Queens. If they are the same person, they'll have to do some serious explaining.
I adore Hiro. If anything bad happens to him, I will be very, very sad.
I'm so happy that Erin is recapping on TWoP. She was so great with Alias.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
I kinda assumed DL was the dead guy in the desert.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Nope. On IMdb, they make it pretty clear that DL was the guy in the bar. The dead guy in the desert was one of his guys that he apparently killed.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
That's too bad.. I liked the idea that psychomom killed him.
So how did psychomom know where the shallow grave was?
(edit: Unless she killed the guy... in psychomom mode...and DL got the blame. or they did it together)
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
She was directed to it with the map and all, remember?
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Yeah, by her mirror-image self. So, How did ikkiN know where the body was burried? Maybe because ikkiN did it...
Posted by KarlEd (Member # 571) on :
Is HBO involved with this show at all? I'm just asking because HBO actors tend to show up in other HBO series and I noticed two of them in Heroes. The female detective is the fortune teller's daughter from Carnival, and Nikki is in Entourage, at least in a couple of the first episodes.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
whose dl agian?
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Husband of Niki (alter-ego gal)
(see starLisa's post on previous page for full list of characters)
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
Don't want to give much away to those that haven't seen it yet but I'm officially hooked. I've been holding judgment for the first few weeks and after tonights episode I can say with certainty that I really like this show. It has some flaws, many of which have been previously discussed here, but it keeps getting better and after the last few scenes tonight... wow, I'm hooked. The very last scene with Hiro was awesome and opened up a lot of doors. I'm already looking forward to next weeks episode. Am I crazy or do other people agree that the show took a good turn tonight?
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
YES!!! I'm so with you, beatnix19!!!
I don't even know what to say. I dig that show. But - the hatrackaddict that I am - I posted on the commercials...
Can't wait to see how it all unfolds! That Hiro scene caught me off-guard - definitely a good turn!
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I watched all the episodes in a row tonight, and I'm hooked. I didn't think I would be, but I am.
The characters, which I said from the beginning were key, are drawing me in. Hiro is by far the most engaging. And I never picked up on the fact that Peter is just mimicking the powers of others, I don't know why. But I guess in hindsight it makes a lot of sense.
I was thinking all through this episode that this episode wasn't answering anything (Ep 4), but the end blew me away a little bit. I can't wait to see how it all comes together, I can't wait to see what other characters are introduced, and when we're going to start seeing more people (especially good guys) who have more aggressive powers.
The power mimicking thing makes even more sense given what happens at the end of this week's episode, Peter would be the only one, other than Hiro himself, that could have gotten the message. This is going to be good. It's like LOST in the FEEL, the suspense, the bleeding of information, but it's better, you get more information, there's less intentional disception and secrets within secrets built on top of secrets created by little subatomic secrets.
It's not about the deconstruction of a mystery, it's the unfolding of a story, and it's engaging, and the characters are fun, and normal, and outlandishly silly, and tortured, and a whole range of characters.
I like it, and it's earned my attention for the remainder of the season.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
This episode was really awesome. When time stopped for Peter, I knew Hiro had to be around somewhere. I was surprised to see his future self though, what with the sword on his back and the perfect English. It was really awesome.
The only problem I have is that I don't care much for Niki or her "power." She's my least favorite character on the show. I'm just totally disinterested in her and what happens to her. At least the rest, I have some interest in seeing (even Claire with her expected high school stories).
I saw the symbol quite a few times besides the obvious ones. I think I saw it on the ceiling in one of the opening scenes. I saw it somewhere else as well. Very interesting.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Spoilers Obviously
Hiro just doubled in awesomness and I didnt even think that was possible with how much I liked him.
Threatening somebody with death from the heel of your highheel shoes is the most awesome threat I've seen in a VERY long time.
Claire getting her revenge after the things the quarter back was saying was VERY satisfying.
Only problem I had with the episode was how would Claires parents NOT have been informed of her death when she is on the coroners table? Do they usually wait til after the autopsy to inform the parents?
Is anybody else worried about all the huge plot developments that they are taking in these episodes. How are they going to pace this within the TV format? I'm worried that they can't keep this up.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
The coroner person said Jane Doe when she was on the table. She said that the body was found in the river and had obviously been dragged. So it looks like the guy took her clothes off and ditched her in the river.
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
Claire was a Jane Doe. the Coroner said she was found naked and looked like she had been dragged somewhere.
I agree that Niki's Character is my least favorite but she is still some what interesting. I'm really curious to see what her power really is. She seems like she could just be suffering from multiple personalities. Even the visisons she has had in the mirrors could be explained away as dillusions. So far she has not really done anything Super heroish. everything she has done could be completely possible if her second personality was that much of a bad mamajama. She just hasn't done anything extraordinary so I'm still waiting to see. I'm starting to wonder if maybe it's her son that is really going to have some strange power and it just ahsn't been revelaed yet and her split personality is a result of the life she has lead with te criminal husband and mob ties.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
That's why Niki doesn't interest me as much. Her "power" doesn't seem like anything aside from some sort of split personality. I hope something big happens to her to make me care about what's going on with her story.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I see Niki as the female version of the Incredible Hulk, but more focused and not as brutish.
I never liked the incredible hulk, and it remains to be seen if Ikin will be any different.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Other than being a tough cookie, I don't see what "powers" Niki has yet. Until we see her alter ego have some super strength or something, I don't see how she is even a "hero."
Hiro is my favorite character by far, seconded by Peter. But Isaac interests me. I want to see something more done with his character other than "I need heroin to see visions, VISIONS!" He has to have more depth than that. And how does his power work? Opiates activate his power, or merely makes it easier to access? I need more from him. And is Simone somehow connected to the "bad guys?" Are the bad guys even bad?
Is Claire's father more like Magneto, or Victor Trask? To use X-Men allusions.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
beatnix19 - her son... *and the wheels begin spinning*...
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
I don't think opiates activate Isaac's power, as Peter gained the power and was able to use it without any heroin. I think maybe it just makes the visions easier to get, maybe even making them clearer.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
When did Peter see the future? Or are you referring to the preview for next week?
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
In the hospital. He drew a sketch of himself flying with his brother standing near him. This was shortly after his meeting with Isaac. He even referenced this when he was speaking about his power. He said when he was around Isaac, he could see the future.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Oh! Is that what the stick figure doodle was?
When was he around Isaac? Was that when he went to knock on his door with Mohinder but Isaac never answered?
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
He was around Isaac previous to his attempt to fly. He saw the painting in Isaac's apartment and decided to give it a try. He ended up in the hospital after that where he drew the stick figure doodle.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Oh I remember now, when he went to the apartment with Simone to try and help him when he overdosed.
Good memory pfresh.
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
When Isaac overdosed on heroin, Simone rushed to Peter to have him save Isaac. When Peter was in there, he saw the painting of him jumping off the building, thus inspiring him to try.
Edit: And it's answered as I type it. Oh well. Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Now that I think about it, heroin could still be Isaac's activating factor. Just because Peter mimics the power doesn't mean he mimics limitations on it. So I could be wrong.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
I doubt it. Why, compared to all the other powers, does his require an outside source to activate?
Granted, Niki's powers seem to come as a fight or flight response, sooner or later, she'll have to come to control it. I would argue that the herion is definately messing with his brain, where (and I'll argue this point due to other aspects of the show) his evolved genes are enabling the super powers. The chemical response could be an involuntary trigger of his powers, but not exactly the only thing that can trigger it.
From what I've seen, Isaac hasn't tried to develope his power without the crutch of heroin.
Nathan- Flew to save his brother. Fight/flight (quite literally). Peter- was falling (fight/flight); Niki- was threatened multiple times (fight/flight) Hiro- fully concentrating on his powers (honing his ability) Claire- she make 6 attempts, each one a little bigger (combo of fight/flight and honing) Police Dude- happened randomly, and then was under pressure by female cop (random and fight/flight); sat at bar honing his ability (honing)
The case I'm making is most of the hero's are experiencing their powers out of fight/flight, or actually trying to hone their abilities and control them when they want to. It appears that those who honing their abilities and pushing them are developing stronger abilities.
I haven't seen Isaac really focus on trying without the herion. Although, I can't blame him. How do you teach yourself to see into the future when you never remember how you did it in the first place? Everyone else experiences it in a random occurance and then remembers how they did it from the last time. Not with Isaac.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Peter was in a hospital bed when he mimicked Isaac's power. Who knows what sorts of chemicals were coursing through his veins ... Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by pfresh85: I don't think opiates activate Isaac's power, as Peter gained the power and was able to use it without any heroin. I think maybe it just makes the visions easier to get, maybe even making them clearer.
Didn't Isaac do it without drugs this week?
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: Nathan- Flew to save his brother. Fight/flight (quite literally).
Are the comics on the Heroes site canon? If so, Nathan also flew to save a woman who was trapped in a burning apartment.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Nikki, Claire, and Hiro are the only characters I care about. I just sort of let my mind wonder while the others are on screen.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
Lisa: Regarding Isaac: No, they showed him taking drugs and then did that swirly camera thing that tells you that the person in question is on drugs.
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
I thought the swirly camera thing was just his power showing. When they cut to him in front of the painting his eyes were all clowded over and he seemed to be in some type of profetic trance.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I, personally, am getting VERY frustrated with how slowly this series is going. I mean, it is like watching a soap opera -- you see a whole hour and know very little more than the week before! I wish they would pick up the pace of the story line a bit.
I'll admit the ending scene in the subway was great. I also am beginning to believe that Niki's power is not a power of her, but someone else working through her.
..and so we see that DL is working with the glasses-guy (Claire's father). Not good.
The one tiny pet peeve that really bugs me is that cheerleaders don't wear their cheerleading uniform every frickin' day of the week! to school.
FG
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
You know, I never really even noticed that. But now that you mention it, yea, that is a bit silly. No one wears that all the time.
and I just wanted to mention one of my favorite lines from last nights episode. Obvioulsy Spoilerific....
Hiro was on the bus and tells Peter that he looks differnt without his scar. This is so cool. It hints to some future where these people have had battles, fights and mishaps, it leads us to believe that they have united against some common foe, it's just so freaking cool. Loved that last scene. It rocked. And Claires little drive with the football guy was pretty cool too.
I'm really a fan of teh characters tyaht are being proactive with their new abilities. Hiro being the top because he has full heartily embrased his power and is showing the greatest control over it. Then Claire because atleast she is starting to stop freaking out about it and THe Line "I can do this" as she drives the car into the wall is sweat. And then peter who is starting to grasp what he can do and trying to understand it. I love it, they have accepted their abilities and are running with them. But Niki and Nathan are trying to hide from theirs. and I can't get past the drugs with Ethan. Having more trouble getting into these charatcers
Posted by Kosmic (Member # 9188) on :
quote:The one tiny pet peeve that really bugs me is that cheerleaders don't wear their cheerleading uniform every frickin' day of the week! to school.
Well, Claire did tell the QB that she was staying late to work on banners for 'Spirit Week'; perhaps cheerleaders do wear their uniforms every day during Spirit Week at that school.
My problem would be where the uniform came from -- do cheerleaders have more than one cheer outfit, or do schools keep spares? She was wearing the outfit at the bonfire, and the QB dumped her naked after he killed her; she couldn't have been wearing the same uniform.
Posted by Mig (Member # 9284) on :
The weakest part of the episode was the quarterback's reaction to seeing Claire again. If I'd accidentally killed a girl I tried to rape and then dumped her naked body in the river, I would run to the bathroom, presumably to throw-up, like the character did in the episode. And after that I'd be too freaked-out to let her drive me home, make the moves on her, and try to get her mad by calling her a slut and her friend I'd raped earlier a slut.
At the beginning of this season, I guessed that Studio 60 would make it and that Heroes would flop. I think now I'm reversing that. Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mig: The weakest part of the episode was the quarterback's reaction to seeing Claire again. If I'd accidentally killed a girl I tried to rape and then dumped her naked body in the river, I would run to the bathroom, presumably to throw-up, like the character did in the episode. And after that I'd be too freaked-out to let her drive me home, make the moves on her, and try to get her mad by calling her a slut and her friend I'd raped earlier a slut.
I figure he probably came to the only conclusion he could. That he was schnockered out of his head and hallucinated the whole thing. I mean, she was dead. And now she's alive.
In a situation like that, it's actually kind of normal to be a little hostile to the person who was the cause of the fear you felt, but it's also kind of normal to be a little cocky now that you realized that the nightmare thing you remembered didn't happen.
Exactly! That's who she reminds me of. Cool! I was trying to think who it was.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Megan: Lisa: Regarding Isaac: No, they showed him taking drugs and then did that swirly camera thing that tells you that the person in question is on drugs.
Did they show him taking the drugs? I must have missed that. I thought he didn't have money for them, and that Simone threw out what he did have.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
I thought I saw him taking the drugs, but I might be misremembering. I've got it tivo'ed; I'll go look here shortly.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
It doesn't show him actually taking the drugs. It does show him getting out the drugs, looking back and forth between them and the canvas, and then the camera goes all swirly and he falls over. After that, he sees Claire running through the gym at her school and falling. Then, we see him painting that, with his eyes all filmed over (ew), and not hearing Peter and Mohinder banging on the door. I assume he took the drugs because it was implied, and because he painted the future.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Megan: It doesn't show him actually taking the drugs. It does show him getting out the drugs, looking back and forth between them and the canvas, and then the camera goes all swirly and he falls over. After that, he sees Claire running through the gym at her school and falling. Then, we see him painting that, with his eyes all filmed over (ew), and not hearing Peter and Mohinder banging on the door. I assume he took the drugs because it was implied, and because he painted the future.
I think the previews for next week show Peter with his eyes filmed over the same way.
And omigod, but was future-Hiro not the single coolest thing ever to happen on this show?
Posted by Human (Member # 2985) on :
Am I the only that gets the feeling from the way Hiro-future was acting and looked that these guys have a lot of hard, desperate battles ahead of them? He didn't just look older, he looked...worn, and sad. That, and the remark about the scar. Not to mention the big fricking katana he was wearing! I don't think they're gonna be going X-men so much as Battlestar--the few true heroes fighting against an overwhelming and implacable foe.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I see you, noobie! ( Hi Kosmic)
Good to see the Heroes thread could lure you out of lurking into posting. Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
Human, ahem...
quote: Hiro was on the bus and tells Peter that he looks differnt without his scar. This is so cool. It hints to some future where these people have had battles, fights and mishaps, it leads us to believe that they have united against some common foe, it's just so freaking cool. Loved that last scene. It rocked. And Claires little drive with the football guy was pretty cool too.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
Human, I think so, too. And I loved future-Hiro (he was already my favorite character, anyway).
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Odd thing I just thought about: when I saw the sword I assumed katana as well (Hiro being Japanese and all). Looking at the hilt though, it seems more like a Western blade. I wonder how Hero stumbled upon that.
Posted by Human (Member # 2985) on :
I still think it's a katana. The pattern of the wrappings on the hilt screams katana, as does it's shape, at least to me. Besides, you can have variations in the length and 'curve' of the blade, that's not standardized, not really. It just makes more sense that it'd be a katana. I just really wanna see what Hiro has to go through to turn him from office-drone geek to badass, been-through-fire-and-back hero Hiro.
((Btw, am I the only one who really likes Nikki, just for the sheer coolness factor of waiting for Anti-Nikki to pop out and, like, disembowel someone?))
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
I'm not talking about the length or curve of the blade. I'm talking about the style of the hilt. The hilt of a katana is usually straight with minimal things sticking out (there's a little that sticks out where the hilt meets the blade, but that's it). The hilt of Hiro's sword stuck out quite a bit like a Western-style hilt.
Compare this (katana) to this (Western-style sword).
That's not to say all Western-style blades have this kind of hilt; there are many that have ones similar to katanas. Hiro's blade though (if I'm not mistaken) had the parts sticking out though. I'll go back and check my tape of Heroes just to double check though.
EDIT: I'm off, nevermind. I saw the part sticking out, but I didn't pay attention to its thickness. It could easily be a more modern-style katana.
Posted by Human (Member # 2985) on :
Yeah, that's the problem with my viewing of it--I was way too distracted by "Whoa, future Hiro showed up! And he's bad-effing-ass!" to notice exactly what the hilt of his sword looked like. It was more of a 'he carries a sword? Cool!' reaction.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Yeah. The look of future Hiro and the fact that he spoke English and all was enough of a surprise to keep a person distracted from the minor details. Oh well. Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
On the NBC website, it says that Sunday 8/7c there will be three back to back episodes of Heroes. I assume that this will be reruns of the first three episodes but its not clear. Does anyone know whether or not these will be new episodes? If they are reruns, will it include the pilot or just the most recent 3 episodes?
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
I doubt it'd be new episodes. Zap2it.com says it's episodes 2-4. So it's everything but the pilot.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
Hey Pfresh, it is definitely a samuri sword.
Posted by Human (Member # 2985) on :
Samurai. More accurately called a katana. Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Okay, people, if you haven't been reading the Heroes comics (link), you're missing out. They're definitely canon, and the most recent one shows what happens after Claire has her little fender-bender.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
oh, I really wish you hadn't linked me there, Lisa...
edit: okay - wait a minute. I'm confused. There are some things in the web comic that I don't remember seeing in the previous episodes either (the politician saving the girl from fire, for instance)
[ October 18, 2006, 03:08 PM: Message edited by: Farmgirl ]
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Farmgirl: oh, I really wish you hadn't linked me there, Lisa...
edit: okay - wait a minute. I'm confused. There are some things in the web comic that I don't remember seeing in the previous episodes either (the politician saving the girl from fire, for instance)
That's because it didn't happen in any of the episodes. But it's part of who Nathan is. It's more information about his character. When exactly did it happen? I suspect it was after he saved Peter from falling, but before he maligned Peter at the press conference.
They're basically backstory, or side story. Stuff that happened that didn't make it into the episodes.
Posted by Fitz (Member # 4803) on :
Damn it, I really have to stop watching these shows that leave us hanging every week. I jumped on the bandwagon and watched the first four episodes, and I think it's a great show.
Did anyone see the preview for next week? Nathan totally pulled a Neo!
Damn. Those comics are good...I'm reading as we speak. Nice art, especially. Looks like Michael Turner art...
(Well, now that makes sense. I look at the credits for that, and it IS Michael Turner art. Sweet!)
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Awesome awesome show will watch fanatically.
Hiro is quite possibly the most awesome and badass decision they ever made.
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
The comics have a few easter eggs... the latest has a link to Claire's myspace page.
FYI - from the wikipedia page, DL is played by Leonard Roberts and Mr. Bennet's (Claire's Dad) assistant is played by Jimmy Jean-Louis. They are not the same person.
And Sylar is pinned as a white male.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Yeah I just learned that earlier tonight. There's two tall mysterious black men characters.
Makes a lot more sense now.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
This show is bloody amazing; best new show in years.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
I still say the pilot sucked.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
I agree, but the show has improved, particularly this last episode.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
My hubby thinks it's moving too slowly. He says the same about LOST.
I dunno. I'm enjoying both.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote: Did anyone see the preview for next week? Nathan totally pulled a Neo!
Are you sure that was Nathan? I couldn't tell from the preview because that shot was so fast....
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
I think it has to be Nathan, since Peter can only fly when he's near Nathan.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
I have two questions.
First) How long does Peter keep the powers he absorbs? (or, how long was he asleep in the hospital after visiting Issac before drawing the picture)
Second) How far away do they have to be for him to absorb the powers?
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Oh, and next weeks TV guide has an article on Hero's, with a picture of DL, whom we will meet on the 23rd. The article doesn't say his power per se, but they say "his power makes it hard for police to touch him, or to lock him away."
So... he's a kitty pride convict?
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
I think his contact with Isaac, attempting to fly, winding up in the hospital, and sketching the picture all happened within the span of a few hours (at the most, within the same day). This is just me assuming though.
As for how close they have to be, apparently at least pretty close, as he didn't gain Isaac's power when they were on opposite sides of a wall (when Isaac was painting and Peter was there trying to talk to him). I think they either need to be in contact with each other or pretty close to each other.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
I just realized. We have evidence that Peter can absorb multiple superpowers. He was in Isaacs room prior to stealing Nathan's abilities, then when he woke up he still had Isaacs abilities.
With that in mind, he has an incredibly strong power. Factoring in that he holds on to a power for say, 3 hours, and can hold on to multiple powers, I would bet right now that Peter ends up being the one to stop the nuke with a combnation of Hiro's, Claire's and Nathan's powers.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Someone on another board theorized that maybe Sylar was a future Peter who killed people and consumed their brains which gave him their powers permanently. It would explain how Sylar seemingly has a handful of powers and also why the brains were missing in those bodies. Not sure that I buy into it, but it's an interesting theory.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Yeah, it's an interesting theory, but the problem is that Future Hiro greeted Peter as a friend. I'm not going to buy into it just yet, but it's possible.
Posted by Dasa (Member # 8968) on :
I felt that Papa Petrelli might not be dead and is Sylar.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Are you so sure he visited Peter as a friend?
What if in the future Peter is an enemy, but Hiro went back KNOWING this, trying to influence his decision of what side to choose in the coming conflict, and he knew he had a scar from battles he'd fought with him.
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
quote: Are you so sure he visited Peter as a friend?
Good point. We don't know that yet. Hopefully tonights episode will give us a clue. I've been waiting all week for tonight. I'm so hooked right now tha I've watched the ending to last weeks episode like ten times. It was so freaking awesome. and I'm so freakin nerdy.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
The hole on that plot, is Sylars taped conversation with Chandra, claiming that Chandra made him that way. I interpreted this as "you met me and told me about this".
However, it really isn't clear, is it? I mean, Peter has now read Chandra's book which has lead him on this path, hasn't he? He has a map with more hero contacts than Chandra had, one that specifically names Peter's brother. Sylar's apartment has no photographs, and the scribblings on the wall say "Forgive me" "Father" "I have sinned."
Is it plausible? Yes. I still doubt it, though. It just doesn't feel right.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
If the future Peter had contact with Claire, he could have regenerated and would not have a scar. The fact that future Peter has a scar hints that in the future Hiro comes from, Claire does not survive.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Unless the scar had already been in place before they met.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Oh hey another episode will air tonight, I'm excited.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: Unless the scar had already been in place before they met.
You are speculating that some time limit exists for the regenerating power. I don't think we've seen any evidence for that. The only limitation we've seen for Claire's power, is that she is unable to regenerate a wound with a foreign body in it.
Since it has already been suggested that they need to save Claire, to save the world there is an implication that Peter will need to contact Claire in the next 5 weeks (before the bomb explodes). Maybe I'm stretching this to far but I'm betting that Peter and Claire make contact in the next few episodes.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
He could have a scar on his forehead, actually. He's so shaggy that it might just not be visible until he slicks it back, leers, and starts going, "Muahahahahaha!"
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
That wouldn't explain Hiros' comment "I didn't recognize you without your scar". If the scar is simply under the shaggy bangs, wouldn't Hiro have said, "I didn't recognize you with your bangs covering your scar". Or "I didn't recognize you with all that hair".
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: Unless the scar had already been in place before they met.
You are speculating that some time limit exists for the regenerating power. I don't think we've seen any evidence for that. The only limitation we've seen for Claire's power, is that she is unable to regenerate a wound with a foreign body in it.
Is that what we learned? I thought maybe she has a weakness to wood, like the Golden Age Green Lantern.
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: Since it has already been suggested that they need to save Claire, to save the world there is an implication that Peter will need to contact Claire in the next 5 weeks (before the bomb explodes). Maybe I'm stretching this to far but I'm betting that Peter and Claire make contact in the next few episodes.
I think you're probably right about that.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote: Is that what we learned? I thought maybe she has a weakness to wood, like the Golden Age Green Lantern.
I've seen a clip where from where Claire is trying to kill herself. She tells camera guy, "I don't have a scratch on me". Then he say, what about that, pointing to a huge gash in her side. She then pulls something out of her side and it heals up. The same thing happens with the stick in her head. Once it is removed, she heals.
I don't know what it was that was stuck in her side in the first clip. I missed the pilot and think that this may be from the pilot.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: That wouldn't explain Hiros' comment "I didn't recognize you without your scar". If the scar is simply under the shaggy bangs, wouldn't Hiro have said, "I didn't recognize you with your bangs covering your scar". Or "I didn't recognize you with all that hair".
Hmm. True.
I'm still not sure why future-Hiro kept the train frozen like that for so long. And why everything blue-shifted when he did. And heck, how he knew that Peter was on that train, but maybe didn't know what car he was in (which could explain why it took him so long to find him).
And while Peter absorbs powers, does this mean that he's invulnerable to the powers of others as well? Like if someone has a power of shooting deadly rays, would they not affect Peter? Or is it just that part of Hiro's powers include not being affected by time and space warping, so Peter got that as well?
Am I thinking way too much about all of this?
Last night at dinner, my sister heard me say how much I love Heroes and started laughing. She said she saw a clip of the show on some other show, and that it was the one where Claire's head gets twisted all the way around. She told me she couldn't imagine a dumber show than the way this one looks. I explained to her that the clip she saw has a context, but she didn't seem interested. <shrug> Her loss.
What's really funny, though, is if you go here. It's the single harshest review of the show I've seen. And then OSC reviewed it very differently.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote: Is that what we learned? I thought maybe she has a weakness to wood, like the Golden Age Green Lantern.
I've seen a clip where from where Claire is trying to kill herself. She tells camera guy, "I don't have a scratch on me". Then he say, what about that, pointing to a huge gash in her side. She then pulls something out of her side and it heals up.
That clip is from the pilot. And she doesn't pull something out her side; she pushes in the protruding broken ribs. But your point is taken anyway. Her ribs poking out kept her side from healing. The tissue needs to be together to knit. That's why her skin didn't grow back together while she was on the coroner's table; she had to actually close it up herself.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
"And while Peter absorbs powers, does this mean that he's invulnerable to the powers of others as well? Like if someone has a power of shooting deadly rays, would they not affect Peter? Or is it just that part of Hiro's powers include not being affected by time and space warping, so Peter got that as well?"
I'm guessing that either:
a) Hiro can control the space time enough to include Peter in the paused time or b) when peter absorbed his power, he was unknowingly controlling space time as well.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Clip from tonight involving future Hiro.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
My assumption was that Hiro came back knowing that Peter would absorb his power and thus be in some sort of timespace bubble, making it possible for the two of them to speak.
I think if someone has the power to shoot knives out of their hands and they hit Peter, he's dead. I don't think there's implied immunity. Look at Rogue in X-Men, at least once I remember her stealing Cyclops' powers and then shooting herself with them. Not a serious injury, but not good times either.
Edit to add: How does no one know what Claire's name is? Stop calling her the Cheerleader!!
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: My assumption was that Hiro came back knowing that Peter would absorb his power and thus be in some sort of timespace bubble, making it possible for the two of them to speak.
I think if someone has the power to shoot knives out of their hands and they hit Peter, he's dead. I don't think there's implied immunity. Look at Rogue in X-Men, at least once I remember her stealing Cyclops' powers and then shooting herself with them. Not a serious injury, but not good times either.
Same deal when she accidentally aquired Gambits power.
If you have noticed Peter seems to be the only one obsessed with knowing he has powers. Hiro certainly was convinced he had them, but he was content to keep focusing until his power was manifest. Peter was the only one so obsessed with it that he keeps frequenting rooftops and risking his life as a means to get his power to show itself.
Definately villain possibilities there.
Peter also doesnt seem to control the manifestation of others powers, they just seem to manifest when he is around others.
I'm withholding total judgement until tonight episode, I too agree it does not seem right that Peter is evil. Then again, why was Hiro of the future so concerned with visiting Peter then, if he was not an important figure in the future. Why not visit any of the other heroes?
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
"I'm withholding total judgement until tonight episode, I too agree it does not seem right that Peter is evil. Then again, why was Hiro of the future so concerned with visiting Peter then, if he was not an important figure in the future. Why not visit any of the other heroes?"
First, the possibility that Peter is the only one who can interact with Hiro with time being stopped. Second, Peter has instant connection to two other hero's, Isaac and Nathan. Peter is the closest to Isaac, and I doubt Isaac would want to interact with Hiro the same way Peter would. Third, who else would he talk to besides himself that would be so enthused to do it? And upon talking with himself, he would cause a rift. Third, he knew exactly where and when Peter was at that moment.
Peter is focused right now on becoming what he was destined to be. He is the only one we know of who would do everything he can to track down the cheerleader other than Hiro. He and Isaac can unite the other hero's together.
Does anyone else find it odd that Isaac isn't drawing anything revolving around Sylar? The psychic guy? His face? Nothing except a shadow.
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
I like peter as a character. I think he is interesting and his power has a lot of cool paths it could take him down. I never really thought about Peter being the bad guy, but the more I hear people make comments the more I like the idea. Although I liike his character now, I think he would be even more interesting as the bad guy. All the connections he is making now with the others would be very interesting to see play out if he was to go down the wrong road. I don't think it is likely but it is a neat Idea. That kind of turn of events would just be too clever for the average writer nowadays.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Only a few more hoooo-uuuurrsss... Only a few more hoooo-uuuurrrss... : )
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I actually love the voice overs from Suresh.
Next well while if you look at it all form a certain angle its plausible that Peter is Syler but then again remember the recorded telephone conversation between Syler and Suresh Sr. It was the Suresh who helped ot awaken Sylers powers implying that Peter is not Suresh.
It makes alot of sense that if Syler absorbs powers then alot of their difficulties may come from Claire being assimilated, if he is invulnerable then they can not stop him. They may at encredible cost prevent one scheme after another but he, the source f it all cannot be stopped.
Can you possibly think of any greater nightmare?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Peter was the only one so obsessed with it that he keeps frequenting rooftops and risking his life as a means to get his power to show itself.
No, Claire also seems obsessed with her power. She did make 6 attempts to kill herself.
And Isaac is in a sense "obsessed" with his power. He does keep taking heroine so that he can keep painting the future.
And Hiro is the one pushing hardest to use his power.
The only difference I see with Peter is that his power is much harder to understand because it keeps changing. It only makes sense that he is more confused by his power and therefore trying harder to figure it out.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
She might be invulnerable, but she isn't unstoppable. If Hiro froze him and stabbed him with his sword, and left it in, he'd stay dead until it was undone. We don't know the lengths of her powers. Can she regenerate from decapitation?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Can she regenerate from decapitation?
I missed the pilot, but I've never seen here restore any severed body part. That doesn't mean she can't do it, but we don't know if she can.
Posted by Dasa (Member # 8968) on :
If Sylar manages to kill Claire, then theoretically, whatever her powers, the same method can be used to kill Sylar even after he gets them, no?
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
We don't actually know that Sylar can steal the powers of others. That's just a guess. The idea of Sylar as an über-Peter does seem to fit, but it hasn't actually been confirmed.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Okay, Hiro has grown even more as my favorite, partially because he reminds me of my Japanese instructor in Japan. He spoke limited English and most of his sentences and how he sounded was just like Hiro. Particularly the sound he made when asking for a ride. Just totally on the mark. Great stuff.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
My mom, who usually hates shows like this, has laughed at every scene with Hiro in it. Good stuff Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Is he really a leftie or just a leftie as Isaac??
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Holy crap that was a sweet ending!
And I think it really looks like Claire will be the first to have her brain taken, and maybe there is something to the brain eating power stealing thing, but maybe not.
Either way how sweet is it that three of them at least have linked up. And that getaway was sweet for the elder petrelli. And it's confirmed that you don't need to be high to draw the future, and next week looks awesome!
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Wow, that was pretty good. Everything's starting to fall into place somewhat. I'm wondering how Peter, Isaac, Hiro, and his friend whose name escapes me will make it to Texas where Claire is. Also is it just me or did the guy in the painting look exactly like Sylar did at the FBI thing (same outfit and still shrouded in darkness)?
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
WOw that was so good. I wonder if D.L. is going to be in the show or if the evil twin girl will end up killing him. This show is awesome = D
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Where's Hiro when I need him to get me to next Monday... ; )
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
What was with the hole in Claire's stomach??
(in reference to the brain thing...)
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
When? I'm trying to recall but it's not jumping immediately to mind.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Claire can't have her brain taken because if they dont "Save the cheerleader" they can't save the world. But then again maybe thats part of the story arc. They fail to stop Syler, the bomb goes off, and the story continues in the future.
I love that the cop's power no matter how good his intentions are, keeps getting him in trouble.
pfresh85: There appears to be a hole in Claire's stomach when Peter finishes the painting.
I am alittle confused about the scene with Nathan. Claire's dad had a gun, but they basically walked Nathan out to an open space where his powers would be useful (I also noticed him drawing the gun but being unwilling to shoot, so I wonder what thats about) and then they corner him and Nathan takes off (break the sound barrier which was kinda cool).
Do you honestly think they were trying to capture him, or pressure him into using his powers? I am not too sure which is more likely. I hope its the later because thats better writing then the former from my perspective.
I don't really like that Doug's powers are negated by Peter's absorbing powers. I don't like the idea that Peter can do everything anybody else can if he is in the general proximity. But then again they did say he could only draw stick figures form the limited exposure and he only FINISHED the painting Doug started rather then doing the whole picture himself. I really hope they write Peters abilities as a lesser version of the people he leeches from. Rather then a full copy.
Hiro was very fun to watch as usual, I really think he is native Japanese who has studied English, and not a Japanese born American. Either way he acts just perfect for his part.
I'm not really interested in Mirror girls husband to be honest especially since it seems like they are killing off her husband in the next episode, I'd like to know more about her son to be honest.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Oh. I didn't notice the hole, just saw the blood and stuff. As for Nathan, I was confused why he didn't fly when he first got out into the open instead of running and trying to climb the fence. He should have known he couldn't get away by running (unless he just had extremely good luck). Is Doug another name for Isaac? I'm confused. As for Hiro, I agree that I think he's a native Japanese who studied English. Something about the way he speaks English and the way he speaks Japanese makes me think this.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I'd say second generation American whose parents came here, so he learned it fluently at home, but it still American born.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
I was wondering about the hole in the stomach, too. I guess I post invisible in this thread.
So - here I go again, posting invisible... ; )
Good point about the future - who's to say how far the destruction goes. Maybe they just need to get out of NYC.
The 'Doug' thing got me, too.
Maybe Nathan just, at the last minute, said to himself that he might as well try this thing that worked at one time. That whole fight/flight thing again. Also - maybe because he REALLY meant it he moved as powerfully as he did.
*goes back to invisible status...*
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Sorry for some reason I remembered the artists name as Doug but its Isaac, I can't post in forums late at night my mind is too fuzzy.
Lyrhawn: The way he spoke English on the subway still had traces of accent. Virtually all American born foreigners I have met speak like natives even if they speak their mother tongue fluently, the Japanese accent was still quite distinct when Hiro from the future came back. But then again that might have been the actors intention, in which case bravo for going to such lengths.
I agree with your asessment of Nathan. He probably thought, "Well I flew that one time, and I REALLY need to now....ZOOM."
edit: Who was the guy who went way up high in a balloon and performed the highest free fall in history, almost breaking the sound barrier with his body? Its bugging me I can't remember his name, I know there is footage of his jump on google video I just can't find it. Nathan breaking the sound barrier reminded me of him as Nathan would be the first human to do so unaided by technology.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Claire's dad obviously does care for her, and not just as a front, which I'm glad was addressed. Second, why did they release Mr. Psychic (I'm sorry, I can't remember his name)? If they were working for Sylar, wouldn't it be easier to hold on to him and get his brain then and there? But, if they aren't working for Sylar, then what is there agenda?
The black dude helping Claire's dad, lets just refer to him as The Assistant from now on, unless anyone can provide a name. What I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out is how Claires dad is fixed in all this. The Assistant is definately strong in his abilities- erasing memories, blocking telepathy from other psychics.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I think Claire's dad and The Assistant either work for the government, black ops with no name, or is in business for himself. Not to make too man X-men references (though why not? they are the easiest), but he could be Magneto's group, or he could be Professor X (albeit morally challenged), or any of a dozen other independent groups that formed from the beginning to advance their own agenda.
Just because he isn't with the idealists (so far as we know) doesn't mean that he is evil. We'll see his agenda unfold in time.
Posted by Baron Samedi (Member # 9175) on :
Hey. I just caught up yesterday during the marathon, so I may be behind in the discussion here. The show is better than I anticipated, even if it isn't perfect.
I do have one question, though, that's really starting to bug me.
What's up with the mirror girl? How is her so-called super power any different than plain old schizophrenia? Does she really do anything that a mentally deranged person couldn't do just as well?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Did you see a preview of next week? She tossed her husband into a wall. I'd say anyone who guessed "The Hulk" as her power isn't too far off.
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
ARRRHHHGGGGG!!! I still haven't seen it all yet. I missed yesterday's episode and have only watched about half of it so far. Won't be able to finish until later tonight when I get home. Talk about torture. All I want to do is read this thread and find out what happened. But I know I'll just be ticked off at myself if I do. So it's gonna be a long frustrating day for me.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I thought the one you are calling "The Assistant" (T-Smith) is actually D.L. (Nikki's husband). He's working with Claire's dad, for some reason.
quote: but they basically walked Nathan out to an open space where his powers would be useful
That's not so. They didn't walk him out in the open -- they were leading him to the vehicle when he broke free of them and ran out in the open. (although I was thinking at the time that D.L. could probably stop him with his mind at any time, I thought)
I believe Nathan didn't fly until the last minute because he really doesn't want to show anyone that he has that ability. He tried to hide his gift more than all the others -- I think he feels it makes him a freak or something that will hurt his ability to win the election. He's consumed with winning the election.
You all seem to have seen a lot more in the "previews of next week" than I did. Probably because I got a phone call right then and could give full attention.
It's definately getting very good......
[ October 24, 2006, 09:43 AM: Message edited by: Farmgirl ]
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
... reading the updated 'graphic novel' on the Heroes site for more clues...
Posted by Dasa (Member # 8968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Farmgirl: I thought the one you are calling "The Assistant" (T-Smith) is actually D.L. (Nikki's husband). He's working with Claire's dad, for some reason.
No..I think they just look similar -- skin color, height, build , bald head and all. "The Assistant" looks a lot more mean Posted by Dasa (Member # 8968) on :
Okay -- now I'm going to totally have to remap the way I have these characters in my head, now that you've pointed that out.
They sure look enough alike that I never picked up the difference on the show...
FG
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
finally got to see the ending of the episode. I love theinterenet and NBC's wonderful choice of playing all the past episodes on line. I'm becoming more and more curious about Claire's father. He obviously cares about her. But what is his connection? I don't think he is in league with Skylar. I'm beginning to see him as some offshoot who is trying to learn about and perhaps utilize these people. I'm interested to see where his storyline goes. I liked the comparisson to magneto, but I think it is a bit off. I don't think he really has any powers of his own but is simply the guy in charge of what ever agency he is working for. He is using people like like mind erasing guy to get a hold on thge situation and maybe find out who to recruit and who to eliminate. Maybe just douing studies and that is why Matt was let go.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Thing's about Claires dad I want figured.
1) Why was he in the Cab in New York with Mohindar? 2) Did he kill Chandra? 3) Does he know about Sylar? 4) Why was he so irked when Claire had powers? He obviously cares for her, and he doesn't have any problems with The Assistant having powers, so what gives? 5) How was he able to track Matt down on the exact same day he found out about his powers? How did he track Nathan down? Why did he seemingly let them go?
I don't think he's like Magneto, wanting to exploit powers to establish dominance, more just like a guy who is currently labeling everything. He seems to have more knowledge about what's going on than anyone else, but there's really no clue as to how/why he knows what he knows.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
Baron Samedi, the mirror girl has super strength. That is the super power involved.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Well, she seems to have skillz, at any rate. It didn't look as though she did anything a normal strength woman Niki's size couldn't do if she was using martial arts well.
She's a lot like Rose/Thorn, I think. More than she is like Hulk.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote: Why was he so irked when Claire had powers?
I never picked up that he was irked. Just the opposite -- I think he expected it. And this last episode -- when threatening the football bully, he said something about "she's going through some changes right now that are confusing her" or something like that.
My main question about him is -- why would people who have powers follow him/work for him?
FG
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I said The Hulk from the beginning. The mirror image only seems to take control during times of emotional duress. Mafia man slaps her, she kill him and cuts his buddy in half. The mafia man in the elevator grabs her, she threatens to put her high heel shoe through his temple, then goes on to snuggle up to Nathan.
I'm guessing she is going to come to terms with her alter ego and they are going to have a more cooperative relationship as right now she hates her other half but in the preview it seemed to hint that her image is going to adjure her to trust her. Also the other half of Niki is refered to as "Ikin" just for future discussion's sake. We should probably talk about what Niki does and what Ikin does seperately for purposes of clarity.
I'm still not sure exactly what Ikin's purposes are. One day she is killing the mob guys sent to get the money from Niki, the next day she is screwing Nathan so the mob will consider the debt paid. I really hope they clarify what Ikin's motives are.
Ditto for Claire's dad, I really would like to know what his goals are.
It was nice to know that Claire's dad actually loves Claire, I think that quarterback got off pretty light IMO.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
After seeing the latest episode, something tells me that Claire's dad isn't a bad guy.
We know he really does love Claire. He let the cop go, so he isn't working with Sylar.
I think he might be trying to find Sylar.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
Hiro was born in Japan, and moved to America when he was six.
Actually, there's no indication, other than a creepy vibe and bad guy music when he shows up, that Claire's dad is bad at all. We haven't seen him do anything untoward except taking Matt and Nathan, and he let Matt go and didn't shoot Nathan even though he could have.
Granted, kidnapping isn't great, but he might be trying to help.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
No, the biggest idication for me is two things. First, the encounter with Mohindar in the cab. Second, the one that really is pushing the idea, is that immediately after an encounter with Sylar, Matt gets taken by those guys.
Here's a possibility.
Sylar killed Chandra. Claire's dad was tagging Chandra to find Sylar, and once he died, he was seeing if Mohindar had any contacts with him as well. Claire's dad's organization went to tap his phone line, but was interrupted. Claire's dad has been tagging Sylar as best as he can. The chick with Mohindar works for Claire's dad. After the map incident at Sylar's apartment, Mohindar goes to warn Nathan, where he get's followed. In the mean time, the chick tells the agency where Sylar is, and they tag him and follow him to Matt. After testing Matt out, they go to their next contact, which was Nathan in Vegas.
Plausible?
Posted by Baron Samedi (Member # 9175) on :
He did completely empty that quarterback's brain. If that's not bad, I've got my definitions mixed up.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
While my personal feelings state it as wrong, I can see how Claires dad could argue it would be a decent thing to do. Claire's dad was enraged at the dude and probably wanted to do more.
Instead, he erased his memories, erasing that which had nurtured him into a rapist and a jerk, reasoning that with this new life, he could change. Of course, he wanted revenge, too, so I'm not going to say it was altruistic of him.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
Lots of good people would see killing the kid as justified. He did try to rape her, then accidentally killed her, then took her clothes off and dumped her somewhere. I wouldn't call what her dad did there evil in any way.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
quote: Actually, there's no indication, other than a creepy vibe and bad guy music when he shows up, that Claire's dad is bad at all. We haven't seen him do anything untoward except taking Matt and Nathan, and he let Matt go and didn't shoot Nathan even though he could have.
Exactly. The creepy vibe and the bad guy music are there to make us think he is bad. But I think it will turn out he isn't.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Baron Samedi: He did completely empty that quarterback's brain. If that's not bad, I've got my definitions mixed up.
It's not bad. It's merciful.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
"Ahem. This is my theory, which is mine."
Claire's father was Chandra's best student. Since his son Mohinder didn't seem to have any interest in his work, Chandra expended all of his energy and attention on his prize pupil.
He's trying to carry on with Chandra's work.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Would be plausible, and I'd buy into that. I would be rather disappointed as his teacher in the ethics of his research, though.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
There are three possible explanations I can think of for why Claire's Dad is able to pick up the police officer on the same day that the officer discovers his super power.
1. Claire's Dad has some link with the FBI. He either works for the FBI or has an informant in the FBI who tipped him off.
2. Claire's Dad is or is working with Sylar.
3. Claire's Dad just happened to get lucky when the officer by chance came to the bar where his black assistant also happened to be drinking.
I think option 3 is lame and therefore reject it as a serious possibility.
I should also add that options 1 and 2 are not mutually exclusive. In fact, Sylar was able to locate the girl inside the FBI safe house, so its reasonable to conclude that Sylar has some connection (whether natural or supernatural) with the FBI.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
4. The mystery black guy who works for Claire's dad is a pyschic, and has some sort of psychic radar, and picked up on the cop when he used them earlier, and was tracking him the entire time. When he found out that the cop planned to go to a bar, he got there first, or slipped in afterwards, and blacked him out.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
If Claire's Dad's mysterious black assistant has "psychic radar" which allows him to detect when superpowers are used and track the person, why haven't they located all our super heroes. I mean I would certainly being going after the guy who can teleport before I'd go for the mind reader.
Another question also occurred to me. Why did Sylar come after the little girl. Evidently he didn't know she was hiding in the closet or he would have gone for her at the time of the murders. The obvious answer, that he was trying to eliminate a witness, just doesn't hold much water. Given his Superpowers, why would he worry about one little girl witness. In breaking into the FBI safe house to get her, he risked being either caught, killed or be seen by several other people. The risks just seem to far out weight the benefit.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
If her parents have powers that Sylar was trying to steal, it's likely to reason that the offspring of empowered parents or a parent would also have powers, and he wanted them.
As for Claire's dad, Hiro was in Japan, there's people closer, why fly to Japan when we have at least three people in New York alone who have powers. We don't know how many other people out there have powers that he is tracking, we don't know how much more information he has, or who he does and doesn't have access to. Just because they choose not to go after SOME people doesn't mean they don't know they are there. Remember what he said in the hotel room "just take the one." It suggests they know that Niki is one of them, but for some reason didn't want her. What is their criteria? Who knows?
Another guess would be that he had access to Mohinder's father's research and knows how to search for people doing DNA tests, and someone got ahold of DNA registries, which suggests a government connection.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Claire's father clearly has some method of tracking people with super powers. That isn't the issue. The key question with the cop is not that Claire's Dad found him, but the fact that they found him on the very day that he himself first first discovered and used his powers. Either that is just a mega coincidence (which I think would be lame), or there is some reason that they became immediately aware of the cop that day.
This suggests that Claire's father and his team had some sort of inside information on the events of that day. I guess that inside information could have come through psychic radar, but that explanation (at least at this point) falls victim to Occum's razor. We have no evidence that there is such a thing as psychic radar and the evidents can be explaned by much simpler means.
I did come up with one more possible explanation. If Claire's father is part of some clandestined organization which is tracking either Sylar or the mutants, they may have sent some representative to the murder scene (perhaps as news media or just a curious bystander). This observer may then have observed our cops unusual behavior and identified it immediately as a superpower because of their experience in the project. But that still seems too contrived. I'm still convinced that they found the cop because they either have links to the FBI or Sylar.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I wonder what Ockham would have said were he introduced to science fiction, but I think afficianados of the genre know taht Ockham's Razor seldom cuts very deep around here.
Of course there is such a thing as psychic radar, or whatever else you want to call it. It makes Claire's dad's buddy the Heroes equivilant of Cerebro from X-Men, which is a little too clearcut of an analogy (ahem, theft) for my taste, but it works. I think it's very possible, and I wondered from the beginning if Claire's dad was a part of some government organization responsible for studying and cataloging the powers of the the Heroes. But there's also something fishy about that, something that leads me to believe he's independent.
It makes little sense that they could have picked up on cop guy's powers JUST on that day unless they had an ability to detect them, in the same way that Isaac's paintings are thus far ONLY about other Heroes.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
I don't know that it's much of a coincidence that they found the cop that day. I mean, as far as we can tell, they've been watching Claire her whole life. They could have known about the cop, Petrelli, and a lot of other people for just as long or longer ... but didn't contact them until they believed that their powers were mature enough to be worth studying.
Or something.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
OR that wasn't the first time the cop had been on that table. I mean, they DID wipe his memory afterward.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Oh, great page-starting post, Dog.
Sheesh.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote:1. Claire's Dad has some link with the FBI.
But he told Matt (when they kidnapped him) that "I don't work for any agency that has initials".
Which, if true, deletes the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc.
FG
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
quote: "Ahem. This is my theory, which is mine."
Starring Lisa as an Elk.... Oh, I'm sorry, Anne Elk. Mrs Anne Elk.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Farmgirl:
quote:1. Claire's Dad has some link with the FBI.
But he told Matt (when they kidnapped him) that "I don't work for any agency that has initials".
Which, if true, deletes the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc.
FG
But he wouldn't have to work for the FBI to have some link to the FBI. He could have an informant in the FBI. He or a member of his team could be former FBI that still has access to FBI data. Someone that works for him could also work for the FBI (a mole). He could be part of an agency (without initials) that has a working relationship with the FBI. He or a member of his team could have some sort of super powers that allow him to monitor events at the FBI.
There are a very large number of ways that he could have links with the FBI that made him privy to the cops mind reading escapades that morning without actually working for the FBI.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
By the way, I figured out who Sylar is.
Want to know, or see if you can figure it out? Go back to the episode where they listen to the recording with Sylar's voice. Listen very closely. Then go and watch were Sylar is with Matt. Look closely at his ears. That's the give away.
Do you want to know?
Spoilers
Again
************************************************ Sylar is actually a lab rat in a mechanical suit bent on world domination ************************************************
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
Man, I really need to see the first two episodes.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Certainly does explain why he's after brains, though.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
On the advice of my brother, I checked this show out. I've really enjoyed it. I like the Lostesque format of the show, and I'm optimistic that the story is actually going somewhere.
It's no surprise that Hiro is so beloved. The real question is this -- who's cooler, geeky Hiro or hero Hiro?
About the pervasive symbol -- I doubt that there will be an explination that will make sense, especially the instances where it was in the pool and the code. I wonder if it's not really supposed to make sense within the context of the story, but is more like a footnote to the viewers to let us know that Hero Powers are at work here.
quote:I'm still not sure exactly what Ikin's purposes are. One day she is killing the mob guys sent to get the money from Niki, the next day she is screwing Nathan so the mob will consider the debt paid. I really hope they clarify what Ikin's motives are.
When she almost put her heel through the guy's skull, she said something about threating "our" child. As in, the child of Niki and Ikin. I think that Ikin is protecting both Niki and her son.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: Certainly does explain why he's after brains, though.
You're all missing the obvious. Sylar is the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz:
Eating someone else's brain is disgusting, rude and heinous I realize it's a pain
But it's what I require For the power I desire So I'll have to eat your brain
You can call me Mr. Sylar I hope you know that my lar- ceny is not in vain
But I need it more than you do For my supervillain voodoo So say bye-bye to your brain
... or something like that.
Posted by BaoQingTian (Member # 8775) on :
quote: OR that wasn't the first time the cop had been on that table. I mean, they DID wipe his memory afterward.
quote:Oh, great page-starting post, Dog.
Sheesh.
Looks like Dog has Niki's split personality power as well. His mirror image name would be a bit presumptuous though.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote: When she almost put her heel through the guy's skull, she said something about threating "our" child. As in, the child of Niki and Ikin. I think that Ikin is protecting both Niki and her son.
But wouldn't it also work that it is D.L. (her husband) working THROUGH Niki? Like a possession of her?
FG
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Did you read the comic? It's almost certain that his power is just the ability to pass through solid objects.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Yes -- I saw that. I just didn't know if maybe he had more powers than that. The Niki character is a strange one to figure out.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: I wonder what Ockham would have said were he introduced to science fiction, but I think afficianados of the genre know taht Ockham's Razor seldom cuts very deep around here.
Heh. Science fiction can be defined as "multiplying hypotheses unnecessarily."
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
And superheroes can be defined as pure fantasy.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Which is why we love it so much.
Posted by Verloren (Member # 9771) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Remember what he said in the hotel room "just take the one." It suggests they know that Niki is one of them, but for some reason didn't want her. What is their criteria? Who knows?
Just wanted to point out that Ikin has a tattoo of the strange symbol, while Niki does not. Which is interesting in and of itself. But, considering that the Assistant wears it on his necklace, some people (on the show's official board) are theorizing that Ikin actually works for Claire's dad's organization. Or perhaps that she's been "tagged" by them.
I prefer to go with the latter idea since Claire's dad says to leave her on the bed.
I'm looking forward to tonight so I can get a better idea of who/what she really is all about.
-V
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Didja ever wonder about the strangeness of "normal" Ando having a connection with both Hiro and Niki, or of "normal" Simone having a connection with both Peter and Isaac?
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Verloren: Just wanted to point out that Ikin has a tattoo of the strange symbol, while Niki does not.
Really? I didn't realize that. How cool!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Just wanted to point out that Ikin has a tattoo of the strange symbol, while Niki does not.
When do we discover that?
It's possible that it's just an oversight.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:Just wanted to point out that Ikin has a tattoo of the strange symbol, while Niki does not.
When do we discover that?
It's possible that it's just an oversight.
Ill have to keep an eye out for it tonight.
edit: I noticed the tattoo on Ikin (They kinda focused on it)last episode but I didnt really NOT see it when I have seen Ikin and Niki in other places.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
quote:Originally posted by Verloren:
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Remember what he said in the hotel room "just take the one." It suggests they know that Niki is one of them, but for some reason didn't want her. What is their criteria? Who knows?
Just wanted to point out that Ikin has a tattoo of the strange symbol, while Niki does not. Which is interesting in and of itself. But, considering that the Assistant wears it on his necklace, some people (on the show's official board) are theorizing that Ikin actually works for Claire's dad's organization. Or perhaps that she's been "tagged" by them.
I prefer to go with the latter idea since Claire's dad says to leave her on the bed.
I'm looking forward to tonight so I can get a better idea of who/what she really is all about.
-V
That symbol shows up everywhere. Not just in places involving Claire's Dad. I posted a link to some pictures of different places it had shown up throughout the show earlier in this thread.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
There was a picture of it in Sylar's apartment before he fled.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
What time/channel is Heroes on?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Now. NBC.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
She's in on it!
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
I didn't think this episode was that great. I think Nikki is going to end up being evil. Not that she has any choice in the matter, it's mostly Ikkin doing the evil stuff. DL seems like apretty good guy now that we've met him. I think he'll end up being a major player on the good side, or he'll spend a lot of time trying to save Nikki from herself.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
I haven't noticed it mentioned in the last few pages here, but isn't it kind of obvious the symbol is a partial DNA helix?
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
DL can walk through walls and Nikki/Ikkin has superhuman strength. What can Micah do?
And those were no more Claire's parents than I am Claire's mother.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
quote:Originally posted by Chris Bridges: I haven't noticed it mentioned in the last few pages here, but isn't it kind of obvious the symbol is a partial DNA helix?
I believe it's been mentioned. It would make sense because the powers that these people have are likely the result of a mutation of some kind in their DNA. What's mainly being discussed is the places that the symbol has been showing up. It obviously has something to do with the "powered" people, but I can't come up with anything further than that.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
I believe it's been mentioned that Micah is extremely intelligent.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
Isn't Nikki dead? I mean, DL grabbed her heart.
Posted by Vasslia Cora (Member # 7981) on :
Nope, he stuck his hand in and it came out at her neck and choked her. At least thats what I thought I saw.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Nikki will not be dead. She will not be evil either. Remember how sad Hiro was about not saving those people? Those are people Nikki killed. He will go back in time and stop her, and the effect will be that she *won't* choose to give into the evil inside her and DL won't kill her.
That is my little prediction. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
It looked more to me like his hand was grabbing her heart and his other hand was choking her.
You could clearly see his wrist in her chest, there wasn't enough arm left to continue up her body and still have a hand left to choke her with.
I'm not convinced Niki is evil. All of the others have, it seems, the ability to master their powers. Perhaps she is also able to master when and how Ikin comes out. Maybe she can't control her, but she might be able to control when she is active, and her awareness of what is going on.
Posted by Vasslia Cora (Member # 7981) on :
Maybe, I don't care for Niki or Ikin right now, but I really want to see Micah start using his power.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Ikin is amoral. If that's evil, then she's evil.
But it was funny. I was sitting there explaining things to my partner, who hasn't seen the past few eps. When Eden showed up, I said, "She's bad. Just like they're trying to make Claire's father seem bad, but he's really going to turn out to be good, they're trying to show Eden as being good, but she's going to turn out to be bad."
Next thing, the two of them are in cahoots. And I can't figure out whether they're good or bad, or what constitutes good or bad in this case.
I don't think Niki is dead. But I do think that Ikin is going to kick DL's immaterial arse. Man, she's strong!
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I can understand not liking Niki. First of all, I have trouble sympathizing with her original decision to borrow money. It is one thing to want the best school for your son, it is another to be irresponsible to try and make it happen. That sort of behavior will come back to bite you.
Secondly, she doesn't trust her husband. She made it clear before he returned that she thinks he's guilty. Perhaps we as the audience are being unfair on this one, but people really do love characters who are trusting and loyal to their spouses to a fault.
But I would love to see her overcome her past mistakes and as Hiro said, "Choose the right path." His second chance will give her a second chance, I am hoping.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Belle: I am Claire's mother.
You heard it here first folks! Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I think the voiceover spent a lot of time talking about evolution last night. Isn't evolution survival of the fittest? I'm thinking Niki dying is their way of showing us that not everyone's going to make it. (Although I doubt they'll kill off anyone else.)
I want to see Simone flip out on Peter over the painting next week. I wonder if she's already sold it? I loved the exchange between Isaac and Peter. "Don't you know where she is? You painted it?" "So did you." Good stuff.
Best part of the episode? The look on Hiro's face when he heard the him in the future had a sword. He's so adorable.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
He's like a cute puppy.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote: I'm thinking Niki dying is their way of showing us that not everyone's going to make it.
I don't believe she's dead. But her character is definately getting complicated, and I'm having a hard time staying with that idea.
I wasn't at all surprised when Eden(?) called Claire's dad, making it apparent they were working together. That was expected.
And the fact that he basically paid people to "act" like Claire's biological parents (did you catch that?) who really weren't, just to alleviate her fears. Then Claire's mom goes and spills the beans about them having tests done for some "genetic disorder" when she was a baby. Poor girl -- she's got a lot on her mind right now.
FG
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
Did they establish that they absolutely weren't her biological parents? Cause I thought they might have been, despite their lack of concern.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Anyone care to explain why Ikin didn't just use the 2 million to pay off her debt and send Micah to school?
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote: Did they establish that they absolutely weren't her biological parents? Cause I thought they might have been, despite their lack of concern.
Well, I think it was heavily implied. As he walked them out to the car, they said, "well, I think that went well" and he said something like "I'll call you if more is needed" or something that implied he was in cahoots with them, or that made me feel strongly that this was a ruse. Immediately after that Claire's mom voiced that she was amazed that Claire's dad could find the biological parents, because they had tried and tried when she was a baby, and couldn't find them.
FG
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Did anyone else notice that Hiro's power didn't work on Ikkin? At least, that's how I interpreted that scene in the bathroom.
I don't think Hiro's going to go back and save people. I think that little scene was meant to stand as a reminder that having superpowers doesn't mean you'll never lose a fight.
I really wish they were more ambiguous about Claire's dad. The way they are playing him within the show makes it uncertain whether he's good or evil. But then they have all of those commercials with "The face of all evil" plastered under his face, which sort of removes a lot of the suspense.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:Did anyone else notice that Hiro's power didn't work on Ikkin? At least, that's how I interpreted that scene in the bathroom.
That wasn't my interpretation, actually.
It appears as if Hiro's power requires a great deal of concentration, and when he was in the middle of his effort to stop time, the man hit the wall, distracting him. Then Hiro stoop paralyzed by fear as the blood dripped down the door. Then it was over.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:Anyone care to explain why Ikin didn't just use the 2 million to pay off her debt and send Micah to school?
This implies that Ikin is motivated to get what's best for Niki, and I don't think that's entirely true. Niki would have been a lot happier without DL going to jail, but Ikin framed him anyway.
I think Ikin wants to protect Micah, but I think she also wants to destroy Niki's life. Perhaps to take over completely when Niki is an empty shell of a person.
Posted by graywolfe (Member # 3852) on :
I did like that they allowed Hiro's buddy to save him, they've made good use of the idea that sometimes, smarts are more important than superpowers, good to see him accomplish something.
Looked on imdb.com to see if Ali Larter is working on a bunch of movies as per usual, and she has nothing currently in production so that leads me to believe she's not dead. Generally, when movie actors do bits for tv, they either do it long term as a change of pace for whatever reason (James Spader, perhaps James Woods), or they do bit parts for a few episodes for fun or a big pay day. Considering all of Ali Larter's movies have wrapped shooting for '07 and nothing is currently in pre-production for '07 or '08, I'm working under the assumption that her characters alive. Few actors would take a tv role, and potentially shut down their movie careers for months or a year or two only to have the reason they did so get pulled out from under them.
I very much doubt Ali would have taken the role and suspended her movie acting if she was going to get killed off in six episodes unless it was "understood" that she would only do a partial season due to movie committments. Since she has none, i doubt her chracter is dead.
Suffice it to say, love the show. Theyre aren't very many shows that are must see for me, but this has become just that.
Posted by Verloren (Member # 9771) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:Just wanted to point out that Ikin has a tattoo of the strange symbol, while Niki does not.
When do we discover that?
It's possible that it's just an oversight.
The place it is most obvious (that I've heard of) is when she goes into the elevator with that thug, she clearly does not have the tattoo. Then as she goes back to the hotel room as Ikin, she does.
Niki won't be dead, It would be pretty cold hearted to kill her right in front of her son.
I think I remember something in the opening monologue about how the next step of evolution is not always pretty, in fact it is sometimes pretty ugly. I think they are showing the ugly stuff Niki is going through until she is fully evolved. Now that she knows what she can do, maybe she will start learning to control it, merge the personalities together.
Thought Last night was pretty slow, hopefully it picks up next week, but I'm hooked so I'll keep watching.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I really feel that there is certainly the IMPRESSION that Niki is now dead. But perhaps not, I don't think her husband intended to kill her, merely incapacitate her and take off with the money/son.
I think Hiro was interrupted by Ando and the door cracking before he could focus enough to stop time.
Those weren't Claire's biological parents, it was pretty clear as her dad saw the parents off that it was staged.
The police are supposedly parked just outside Niki's house, how can her husband just drive out of there with the money and her son?
Posted by libertygirl (Member # 8761) on :
The police said they were leaving that morning so they should be gone.
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
quote:Anyone care to explain why Ikin didn't just use the 2 million to pay off her debt and send Micah to school?
That's just the kind of plot whole that nags.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:That's just the kind of plot whole that nags.
It is only a plot hole if you assume you know Ikin's motives and goals.
Posted by RunningBear (Member # 8477) on :
This Ikin seems to be an evil character, while the father is now the positive figure.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Yeah, I have to agree. Obviously Ikin doesn't have Niki's best interests at heart, regardless of what she says, otherwise she never would have ensured that DL went to jail in the first place, she wouldn't be going on murderous rampages, and she wouldn't hide money in their crawlspace.
She claims she wants the best for Niki and Micah, but I don't buy it. We don't know her agenda yet.
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
Next Episode SPOILER about Niki... . . . . . . . . . . Found this on TV.com about the upcoming episode. just thought I'd share. I didn't think she was finished but wasn't sure. If this is accurate than it woiuld seem that she was only stunned at the end of last episode.
quote: Next episode: Nothing To Lose Niki opens up to a friend when her son becomes the subject of a crisis. Hiro begins to question his heroism after failing to act like a superhero in the face of danger. Nathan and his wife come up with a strategy to win the election. Claire finds out what happened to her missing video tape, and her father gets some surprising news from an associate. Matt and Audrey continue their investigation of the serial killer Sylar. Airs: Monday November 6, 2006
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
And on the comic book front, if you haven't read this week's comic yet, you should. It seems that Ikin only killed DL's crew when they turned on her.
Ikin seems very primal. As far as she's concerned, any even potential threat to her and/or Micah is to be dealt with lethally. The fact that she framed DL may have something to do with the way his men attacked her.
Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
It's almost time.
Here's what I'm not clear on - does Niki just have super strength and multiple personality disorder or is Ikin a separate person? If she is, does Niki have super strength?
Best line from last week's episode:
Skethchy Poker Dude: You're going to the bathroom together? Ando: Yes. That is how we roll.
I'm going to be saying all the time from now on.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I'm debating whether or not to buy the episodes from iTunes. I haven't seen any of them. Is it worth it?
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
I say that all the time.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: I'm debating whether or not to buy the episodes from iTunes. I haven't seen any of them. Is it worth it?
Not when you can watch them for free on NBC.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
But can I watch the old ones? It seems like the type of show you have to have watched the whole way. I would buy the episodes up to the current one then watch them on the telly.
Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
I only started watching a couple of episodes a go and got caught up via iTunes and it didnt really phase me too much, but better if you watch linear to get the flow of the story right??? But that's just me. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Go to the NBC site now, and see how many episodes back you can watch, and get the ones that are missing then. It should go back at least three episodes. It is definetely worth it.
I'm starting to get a little thrown by the coincidences that are bringing them together, but considering time constraints, SOMETHING has to bring them together, so I think it falls within the suspension of disbelief.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
I watched all the eps so far this weekend and I'm hooked. I don't have a TV though, so I have to wait until tomorrow to watch tonight's. My roommate and I can't wait.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
Okay, so I was wrong about Niki.
Does anyone else think that the show is really starting to sound like a comic book? Curies?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Isn't it supposed to be?
Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
I think it's supposed to be like a comic book, probably why there are so many comic book references.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
I think nbc.com HAS a comic book for the show on the show's page...
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
So Ikin is actually named Jessica.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
And how much do you want to bet that it's going to turn out that Jessica was her stillborn twin, or something.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
So she absorbed the personality and power of her dead twin? Meh, why not.
I can't I'm surprised about Micah, in fact, I'm surprised they didn't show that outright earlier. They foreshadowed it enough.
It's cool that we were introduced to two new people with abilities.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
That'ld be freaky. And ownz0rs! Micah is able to get in tune with electronics and stuff.
Micah is not only extremely perceptive and intelligent not to mention precosis, he can alo manipulate electronics, awesome.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
I've officially decided that my Dad is one of the coolest guys in the history of the world because he calls this show like anything... I don't mean he calls it like he knows what's going to happen, but he just makes good guesses as to what's going to happen with which person doing what next.
The 'kid' - as we call him (yeah, we know the real name: but he's the first we know of that comes from two!!) is great and I can't wait to see what happens next.
Do we know what happened to the wife? How it happened?
Man - Mondays are okay to wake up to now. : ) Work may be cra-azy but getting home is that much more sweet...
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
My roomie and I have speculated about Micah, cool to know he's got an ability. =)
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Nathan and Heidi were in a car accident, and Nathan was driving, and Heidi lost the use of her legs. That's all we know.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
Micah being a technopath is great. I figured it would have something to do with technology since he 'had to build a new motherboard' in the first episode.
Nice!
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
Also, did anyone see the 'mark' that was on Matt Parkman and that human torch guy? It was two lines, almost like a out-of-line equal sign (=).
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
I was thinking maybe like tick marks. They have both been captured and released twice. But since we only know for sure that Matt was captured the one time it is only a guess.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
When was the human torch guy captured?
I missed a couple of episodes in there.
And who else thought it was lame that "Their secret is out" translated to "Claire's little brother knows?" Plus, that tiny subplot was all we got to see of Claire, which sucked.
The Petrelli brothers have to be the most boring characters on the show. Followed closely by Isaac.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
Micah is a technopath! That is awesome...
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
Could they have crammed any more commercials into the episode? What did we get, 30 minutes of show?
What was the big deal about them coming together? We found a car wreck. We helped. We left. That's not together.
I loved Claire's plea to her brother that if her parents knew they wouldn't want her anymore. That got to me.
Peter stepping up to save Nathan at brunch was amazing. I love Peter. And I liked Nathan's point. What's he going to do with his flight? Pull cats out of trees?
I just hope next week we actually get a little plot to go with our suspense.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Technopath? What a great term. I've never heard that before.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I've only ever heard it on Sky High.
The post-Heroes version of the world.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
quote:Technopath? What a great term. I've never heard that before.
Back in the 90s, Marvel tried starting a line of comic books based in England. (This because of the success of the Excalibur series) There was Dark Angel, ClanDestine, Killpower and Genetix.
The series (heck, the whole line) bombed, as far as I know... they weren't very well written. Except for ClanDestine, and that was written by Chris Claremont.
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
The torch guy is the one Silar is going to be after.
I can see torch guy, who is unstable, blowing himself up in NY. They talk about the radiation and the heat. I bet Silar is going to try and use him as a weapon.
That allows Silar to survive past this season and continue on as a villian.
msquared
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: I've only ever heard it on Sky High.
Hee hee me too. I really enjoyed that movie. It was fun.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
So I'm guessing that when they're all put together, the marks are going to form a complete DNA helix, suggesting that something will need to combine powers to ultimately save the day. And look, we have a guy who can mimic powers. Wonder if he gets the tattoo when he does, and whether he can absorb more than one at a time...
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I didn't get to watch last night. Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
Do we think it is a coincidence all the characters are being forced together somehow and Peter just so happens to have the ability to take on the powers of other heroes. Get him together with the cheerleader, Nathan, Hiro, and Niki. Then you have a guy who can fly is indestructible, can stop time and has super strength. We don’t know how long can he keep using their powers?
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
I can definately also see torch guy being the one to blow up NYC. That line was definately foreshadowing.
SC: It seems like right now he can only use their power when he's in physical proximity to them, but we don't know how far he can go with it. He says he can fly, but we haven't actually seen him fly when he's not with Nathan.
Also, speculations on this Linderman character?
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Linderman is Sylar.
The painting Isaac drew that's missing was Sylar's face, and when the dude saw it, he knew exactly what it was, so he bought it to prevent anyone from putting two and two together.
Do you think it's just a random coincidence that Linderman happens to enjoy a comic book style piece of art, located on the other side of the country?
Next, we know that Sylar knows Nathan has abilities, who has ties with Linderman. We have Niki/Jessica who Linderman uses to blackmail Nathan.
Linderman definately does have his hand into the super power pool. He has unlimited money and power to track other super hero's down. We haven't seen his face or heard his voice.
My guess, too, is that Linderman killed the Patrelli father as his first kill as Sylar. I mean, two children with abilities, would in the very least suggest that he had powers. Or, in a wierd turn of events, he could BE Linderman.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
quote:Do you think it's just a random coincidence that Linderman happens to enjoy a comic book style piece of art, located on the other side of the country?
I was actually waiting for Linderman to get drawn into the other stories. So far he's involved in Nathan, Isaac, and Niki/DL. Sort of also involved with Hiro due to the poker game.
quote:My guess, too, is that Linderman killed the Patrelli father as his first kill as Sylar. I mean, two children with abilities, would in the very least suggest that he had powers.
In that case, does the mother have powers that we don't know about yet? Both DL and Niki have powers and their son does as well.
I don't know if Linderman is Syler so much as they are definately working together. I was actually thinking that Claire's dad could be Linderman, but who knows.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: Linderman is Sylar.
I read this and thought "pshaw.. yer crazy. no way."
But then I read this... and I thought...
"holy crap."
quote:Originally posted by T_Smiff The painting Isaac drew that's missing was Sylar's face, and when the dude saw it, he knew exactly what it was, so he bought it to prevent anyone from putting two and two together.
Do you think it's just a random coincidence that Linderman happens to enjoy a comic book style piece of art, located on the other side of the country?
Next, we know that Sylar knows Nathan has abilities, who has ties with Linderman. We have Niki/Jessica who Linderman uses to blackmail Nathan.
Linderman definately does have his hand into the super power pool. He has unlimited money and power to track other super hero's down. We haven't seen his face or heard his voice.
My guess, too, is that Linderman killed the Patrelli father as his first kill as Sylar. I mean, two children with abilities, would in the very least suggest that he had powers. Or, in a wierd turn of events, he could BE Linderman.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I think that Nathan and Peter's father faked his death. And that he is Sylar.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
The Simone weirdness continues. Besides being the connection between Issac and Peter, her dying father had a mental contact to Peter's dream. Micah's inheritance of powers from DL and Niki implies that Simone has imherited powers from her father.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
Yes, AvidReader, it would be nice to see a little actual plot develop. At this rate, they're going to have to introduce a hero with a super power for weaving loose plot threads together.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
But the connection could have been because of Peter's powers, and doesn't necessarily indicate that Simone's father had powers.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
quote:...hero with a super power for weaving loose plot threads together.
I need that hero to come live at my house when I'm working on my writing. Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
"But the connection could have been because of Peter's powers, and doesn't necessarily indicate that Simone's father had powers."
Well, no. Peter borrows powers from those nearby. He can't fly out of the presence of his brother, can't paint the future without the presence of Isaac, or live in stopped time without the presence of Hiro. Since Peter wasn't in the presence of Simone's father, he couldn't have been the one making the mental connection with her father. Admittedly the mental linkage could be through Simone herself.
Ando made connections with Hiro in Tokyo and Niki in LasVegas before either manifested their powers. Simone knew both Issac and Peter before either manifested theirs. And in both cases, they exist so far in the plot only as connectors between those who have obvious powers. Maybe being a connector is their subtle power, though that power to connect could be achieved through different means for each. eg Simone could be subconciously telempathic, especially with those possessing obvious powers. And Ando's power could be subconciously knowing of and choosing to be "in the right place at the right time".
[ November 07, 2006, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Simone has already been confirmed to have no powers through an interview with TV guide.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
I think Simone's power is the power of 'hottie', kind of like Zoe from firefly.
Just... hot.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
Is it yet established for certain that Peter does not retain the powers he borrows from others? He thinks he can fly on his own. So unless he really can borrow his brother's powers permanently, one of these days he is going to go splat on Broadway.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Peter proved to himself that he can't fly on his own by doing bellyflops off of the monkey bars into the sand below.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: Is it yet established for certain that Peter does not retain the powers he borrows from others? He thinks he can fly on his own. So unless he really can borrow his brother's powers permanently, one of these days he is going to go splat on Broadway.
I don't know for a fact that he really thinks that way. If anything, when he told Simone's father that he could fly, he was in fact dreaming. He's realized that he can only do things when he's around the person that can do things as well.
And of course, we don't know exactly how long he retains powers, but its at least for several hours as he demonstrated after visiting with Isaac and drawing that stick-figure image in the hospital.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Really liked that Micah very calmly and matter of factly asked Jessica if he could talk to Niki, REALLY liked that.
"I'm gonna put it on youtube and make a million dollars!"
"You idiot youtube is free!" Posted by BaoQingTian (Member # 8775) on :
Is it just me, or does the show seem to be moving rather slowly these last couple of episodes? It's probably related to the sheer number of major characters to cover, but it seems like as soon as it starts, it's over and all we had time to do was briefly check in with everyone.
BTW, that was probably my fav quote too BB.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by BaoQingTian: Is it just me, or does the show seem to be moving rather slowly these last couple of episodes? It's probably related to the sheer number of major characters to cover, but it seems like as soon as it starts, it's over and all we had time to do was briefly check in with everyone.
BTW, that was probably my fav quote too BB.
Well there's that, and then there's the ungodly amount of commercials with which they are disrupting the show. Seriously, I timed it when I was watching Lost a few weeks ago. We get 5 minutes of show, and FIVE MINUTES OF COMMERCIALS.
Then we get a commercial for the American Express card to tell us to 'log onto (website) for bonus Lost (or other show) content!'
Yeah, that's the content that isn't showable in the episode because of all the COMMERCIALS. In fact, there are so many commercials that the show actually goes overtime (heroes does, anyway) and Time Warner's DVR box cuts off the last two minutes of every episode. It really pisses me off.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I dl the eps online so theyre commercial free, and i watch them on channel 52 on cabble.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I have to seriously question your timing. I generally watch the podcast not the broadcast version. Last weeks episode of Lost was 43:57 without commercials. This weeks episode of Heroes was 43:25. There are both within 1 minute of the length of all the current run TV shows out there.
As an interesting note, when I looked at some much older shows, they were all over 50 minutes in length for an hour broadcast and over 25 minutes in length of 30 minute broadcast.
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
The show is walking the edge of becoming boring, way too much family drama on this episode.
Posted by Mig (Member # 9284) on :
Was it just me, or hasn't Hiro's English improved significantly since the last episode. He spoke rather clearly to DL and the kid.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Eh, it didn't stick out to me too much, particularly since it was things I think he has heard/read before (about his powers, comic book-type stuff, etc.).
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
Plus Ando might be teaching him.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
That too. Common terms he's heard before + someone possibly teaching him + being slightly immersed in the culture = language skills will increase. At least that's what I think.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
I definately think Ando's teaching him.
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
I wonder why DL needed a 'crew' to pull a job, he could walk through a wall for goodness sake. Unless his power just emerged while he was in prison. He seems to have a pretty good grip on the power for it to be new.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
According to the comic, he first noticed the power while in police custody, when his handcuffs slipped through his wrists.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I think that Nathan and Peter's father faked his death. And that he is Sylar.
I take this back. Feast your eyes on Paul Sylar. Got this from Watch with Kristin.
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
quote: According to the comic, he first noticed the power while in police custody, when his handcuffs slipped through his wrists.
It seems like everybody's powers are just showing up, is their any other critical background we do not have Lisa?
Does anybody think the Cheerleader might get tired of losing her virginity every time she tries to make love?
Seriously though it seems as if she has some sort of pain deficiency, letting herself be hurt (as with the pan of hot muffins) because it heals does not seem to be sufficient reason. She has no aversion to pain, so either this was never learned (she has always healed but never before was seriously injured) or her power includes a pain cut out.
Nathan had a good point, even though he can fly, and the others have powers they are not trained to do anything when they get there. The Cheerleader may have Wolverine's power but all she can do is get up after having her butt kicked by the bad guys.
The introduction of Radioactive dude also seems to point to a possible source for the nuclear blast that is not terrorist related.
We have seen that the powers seem to center on psychological effects and to be local to the mind, so long as the Cheerleader's brain was offline (thing stuck in it) her power was as well. The killer is taking brains, so he is either destroying or collecting powers. Also the powers seem to be affected by things that twist the mind. I wonder what would happen if someone slipped Hiro a hit of acid...
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
hehe her boyfirend/husband at that time might consider it a plus havign sex with a perpetual virgin.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
I myself wonder about her hair.
It is well styled and trimmed, so obviously it can be cut and doesn't grow back right away.
However, all the suicide attempts must have led to situtations where her hair would get cut/burned. I don't think it was even singed when she got out of the train fire.
If this isn't a plot hole, then her regeneration must have something to do with her mental concept of herself.
If she got something pierced, I bet it wouldn't heal. If someone pierced her against her will though, I bet it would.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: hehe her boyfirend/husband at that time might consider it a plus havign sex with a perpetual virgin.
hoo boy, I am annoyed that I even grinned at that comment.
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
I wonder too about her aging, will she be 17 forever? I think that her husband or boyfriend might get annoyed after a bit.
Now they need to find someone who can temporarily give a power to another. Peter seems to be a good candidate, if he can imitate and bestow powers for a short time he can use the Cheerleader to heal other, like his sister in law!
It would be cool if he could expand his power and it makes sense in the light of his powerful empathy that he can give as well as receive.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Harry Knowles at AintItCool.com already did that riff, commenting that due to the perpetual hymen restoration and subsequent pain of penetrative sex her powers were guaranteed to produce an eternally hot, teenage lesbian cheerleader. He saw this as a good thing.
He didn't word it quite so genteely, however...
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Xavier: I myself wonder about her hair.
It is well styled and trimmed, so obviously it can be cut and doesn't grow back right away.
However, all the suicide attempts must have led to situtations where her hair would get cut/burned. I don't think it was even singed when she got out of the train fire.
If this isn't a plot hole, then her regeneration must have something to do with her mental concept of herself.
If she got something pierced, I bet it wouldn't heal. If someone pierced her against her will though, I bet it would.
It's possible that she didn't have this power all her life, and that it developed at menarche. So maybe she hasn't had a haircut since then.
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
Wow, I did think it was kind of nice to see her get out of the uniform, who ever gets tired of cheerleaders... I must after five weeks or so, I had not thought about the lesbian angle, perhaps she and naughty Nicki? Or I have a solution! The guy who can pass through solid objects! We know he can partially phase and be solid on the far side!
(edit) also Peter is an option with the black guy in the room watching to lend his power.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Or maybe hair is already dead except inside the follicle so regenerate isn't really a good word for it. Seeing as how everybodie's hair is constantly regenerating, which is why it gets longer.
Posted by Papa Janitor (Member # 7795) on :
Things are getting a little too explicit here, folks, and it's a family-friendly forum -- please rein it in.
--PJ
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
^-^
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
More implicit the explicit but amusing none the less.
Posted by BaoQingTian (Member # 8775) on :
In case you missed it General Sax...that was another warning of you stepping over the line. Please don't get the thread locked.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I think that was unnneassary Mr Bao
Posted by BaoQingTian (Member # 8775) on :
Blayne,
He himself has asked in the past to be told if he is stepping over the line, or toeing the line, something to that effect. Bob Scopatz even started a thread to discuss it with him. Papa Janitor has a very friendly style. I'm just letting General Sax know that the fact that Papa Janitor commented at all should be kind of a heads up-kind of a mental note to file away under 'things that I say that could potentially violate the TOS agreement' category. I'm not trying to insult him or start a fight at all Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I don't. We're enjoying this thread, and General Sax appears to have boundary issues. He's asked before to be informed if he was treading in dangerous waters, and I personally took that request as serious.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I think that Nathan and Peter's father faked his death. And that he is Sylar.
I take this back. Feast your eyes on Paul Sylar. Got this from Watch with Kristin.
Ausiello says it's someone we've never heard of. So I really doubt it's Sean Bean. I'm also really surprised the Heroes people would let that get put up there. Does anyone know who updates imdb and if it's possible for it to be wrong?
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
Heroes is not a family show Papa, and nothing we said here (except if you follow a link I did not post) is as sexy as the show.
Boa, Whatever Bob posted I refuse to be drawn into it, but I have never said anything that did not match the rhetoric of the conversation. I take my cue from the community, so if Papa has stepped in (once) it was those familiar with the standards that had the responsibility, I just took the blame as a newcomer.
Please do not try to bait me into playing the blame game Bob wants to start, do not mock me because I do not want to play it.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
GS: I don't think they are trying to play a blame game, just pointing out that you are being inappropriate. You could take their point into consideration without being drawn into an arguement about it.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
<shrug> I'll go with Kristin. It's not that she's never wrong; it's just that she's rarely wrong.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
So I watched all 7 episodes . First things first: I watched the episodes in bunches, and I need to go back and check, but I'm reasonably sure that the "What happened last week" shots are different than what we were actually shown last week. It was most apparent (and again, I need to recheck this) when DL was talking about having a gift. I don't think it means anything, I just thought it was interesting.
A few pages ago the possibility of Peter being a villain was brought up and I started thinking ... What's going to happen when Peter is around "Jessica" or whoever? Is the split-personality a part of her power? If it is, will it cause Peter to become evil? I mean, Syler infiltrated the FBI (DL's power?), was shot repeatedly and lived (Claire?), and appeared to fly (Nathan). The voice on the answering machine certainly didn't sound like Peter and there are certainly some continuity issues (I don't like the thought of Hiro's power being used for evil. Opens too many weird doors), but perhaps it's someone with Peter's same power ... or something. It just doesn't seem right that one villain embodies at least 3 of our current heroes powers.
And I think it's pretty definite that torch dude is going to be the "bomb".
I had thought of some other comments, but they can wait.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
He did not need heroine to make the pre-cog power work. I suspect that the powers are in the mind and subject to mental foibles, but I am more curious to know if Peter can learn to 'remember' a power he has duped. The mind is a powerful recording device, there is no reason to suppose that it will not be able to learn to recall a configuration that results in a power with discipline and practice.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Look at the picture that I linked with the photoshopped Sylar, and then look at the Quinto picture. The nose is a dead giveaway.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
With regards to the cheerleader, if something kills her that enters her body, like that stick, or a knife, or something, she'll stay dead. She was dead until the stick was pulled out and then her brain was able to fix itself and she closed up her body.
How long do you think she's known about the power? At the beginning, it said it was attempt #6, but how much time came between each try?
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
"Jus so we know it was I that mad the first witty inuendo."
And I carried it along. My apologies if I made thigns worse.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
To kill the cheerleader, her entire brain would have to be removed from her body.
To make another note, btw, I don't think Sylar is going to be a 2 season villian, and that by the end of the season, he'll be dead. Don't worry though. By the 5th season, it will jump the shark, and they'll ressurect him in some unexplainable crappy way, that will probably involve time travel or alternate dimensions. Also, in the 7th season, we'll find out that Mulders sister really wasn't kidnapped by aliens, and that Smokingman was a robot.
Posted by graywolfe (Member # 3852) on :
And I was the first to go into a deep depression over the absence of said innuendo. Sometimes it's issues like this that need to remind me that I don't come remotely close to the majority here when it comes to boundary issues, nothing I love more than double entendre's, and clever innuendo.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:and they'll ressurect him in some unexplainable crappy way, that will probably involve time travel
Actually, if he has Hiro's power as well as Claire's and Nathans (and possibly DLs, or else how did he get in to try and kidnap that girl) then I actually could see this being a cool plot twist.
*Heroes somehow manage to mortally wound Sylar*
Peter: "Now you won't be able to destroy New York"
Slyar (as he is dying): "What makes you think I haven't already done it?" [Camera zooms in and Sylar looks considerably older than he is in other scenes.]
Sort of like a Time Traveler's Wife or Kang the Conqueror sort of thing.
[ November 09, 2006, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: Xavier ]
Posted by mistaben (Member # 8721) on :
quote:Also, did anyone see the 'mark' that was on Matt Parkman and that human torch guy? It was two lines, almost like a out-of-line equal sign (=).
These are the cross-bars of the ubiquitous Heroes symbol. The S-curve hasn't appeared on these two yet, like it does on Jessica.
Great show.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
I'm already on record (a page or so back) as predicting those lines, combined with Jessica's tattoo and more markings we haven't seen yet, will form a complete DNA helix. Now, who could combine those, I wonder...
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Why would evolution give people powers and somehow conspire to give them all pieces of a puzzle?
Defies logic.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Why would evolution give people powers and somehow conspire to give them all pieces of a puzzle?
Defies logic.
Who says evolution is the only one working here?
It could also bee some sort of take on a symbiotic relationship. Each member can get along fine on its own, but when they work together, it's extra special goodness (that's the scientific term).
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Holy Canoli Batman!!! What a great episode so far...
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
This might be my favorite episode so far. There's just so much in it, and so much awesome stuff (particularly the stuff between the waitress and Hiro).
EDIT: Wow, just wow. That was great. The preview for next week was awesome as well. I'm so pumped. Man, next Monday is so far away.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Wow, we got a lot of answers in this episode!
So Mohinder knows of a boy who can see the past? or does Mohinder have those powers himself?
Claire's father was responsible for the death of her real parents. But I don't think anyone can deny that he really cares for her. He's like Professor Xavier only without moral restrictions. He finds mutants, he studies them, and teaches them how to use their abilities.
And we met another Hero, the super smart girl. And I think those two dash marks on the backs of their necks are like tags, like when you tag an animal in the wild, whenever claire's dad catches someone, they mark them afterwards.
But what will happen with Hiro? I think it's naive of him to think he can change everything by stopping her from coming to work. If Sylar is after her, he'll get her. Hiro should have gone back to before Sylar killed her in the back room, and he could have tried to intercept him.
Next week looks awesome! So much stuff is coming together, and we're getting tons of answers all in a rush!
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
I was surprised about the picture on the wall at the end with Hiro and the waitress girl. I don't want to get into time travel theory and stuff, but if he went back in the past and interacted with her (which the picture seems to indicate I think) shouldn't the present change accordingly? It seems a little off, although I guess you could go with the theory of "he's always done this and so he had to do it or else time would get all wonky." Hard to say. Very interesting stuff though.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
What happens in the last two minutes? Can someone give me a spoiler filled recap of the last couple of minutes of this latest episode? Stupid Time Warner's DVR keeps cutting off the last couple of minutes.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Hiro's still gone (although there was a picture of him and the waitress with party hats and a cake on the wall), and Ando is left waiting for him. Mohinder opened the drawer in his father's desk and found a file folder with information, including a picture of the kid with the soccer ball (the one from the visions he had). Isaac painted a picture showing Hiro and Ando standing under a bloody homecoming banner, and Claire's father watched as Claire worked on the same banner. I think that was all in the last two minutes.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Yeah time travel paradoxes are always a bit of a headache. Anyone who has watched a couple of Star Trek seasons knows that much.
The picture seems to suggest that he met her the day before, but for all we know, he met her there, went home with her, then Sylar killed him, while Ando was waiting for him, then killed the girl. Who knows? We'll find out next week!
But, all of Hiro/Ando's timeline should be fine until they entered the Diner, and all that would be different are their interactions with the girl. But we don't know what changed, for all we know, NOTHING changed, but that doesn't explain where Hiro is.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by pfresh85: Hiro's still gone (although there was a picture of him and the waitress with party hats and a cake on the wall), and Ando is left waiting for him. Mohinder opened the drawer in his father's desk and found a file folder with information, including a picture of the kid with the soccer ball (the one from the visions he had). Isaac painted a picture showing Hiro and Ando standing under a bloody homecoming banner, and Claire's father watched as Claire worked on the same banner. I think that was all in the last two minutes.
Thanks pfresh, I saw that but what did Mohinder's narration say toward the end? It cut off where Ando was sitting by himself and Mohinder was talking. It cut off mid-sentence. I'm on hold with Time Warner's service. This is so irritating.
I tell it to record until 9:05, but it never keeps that setting.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Yeah. As I said, it could go either way. There's the idea that he could have done something in the past and had it change the present. Or there's the idea that whatever he did in the past was something that had to be done in order to keep the current timeline intact (i.e. it's something he's always done and always has to do or else a paradox is created). It'll be interesting to see what happens with all that though. Good old Hiro. He's a classic.
EDIT: I don't remember much of Mohinder's narration. Sorry. I'm too much of a visual person; I was paying attention to all the little visual details and almost ignoring Mohinder.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
*waits anxiously for the episode to appear on NBC.com*
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Did anybody else wish they had shown Sylar escape from the police holding cell?
GREAT EPISODE!
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
When was Sylar ever in a police holding cell?
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
quote:Originally posted by pfresh85: I was surprised about the picture on the wall at the end with Hiro and the waitress girl. I don't want to get into time travel theory and stuff, but if he went back in the past and interacted with her (which the picture seems to indicate I think) shouldn't the present change accordingly? It seems a little off, although I guess you could go with the theory of "he's always done this and so he had to do it or else time would get all wonky." Hard to say. Very interesting stuff though.
I doubt it would show up yet. If all he did was interact with the girl and the people from the diner, but didn't manage to keep her from coming to work today, nothing would substantively change. Except, of course, that everyone from the diner would know Hiro, but Ando hasn't talked to anyone from the diner yet, so we don't know if they did.
What I find most disturbing in terms of unreality is that Ando was waiting. If Hiro can time travel, unless he died in the past he should return to the exact time he left. I hope they have a really good reason why he didn't.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
BB -
You mean Ted?
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
I'm just curious, was anyone else as disgusted with both the "Mohinder, you had a sister" subplot and the complete lack of even a nod to scientific accuracy in the radiation guy subplot?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
What about them?
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Well, to begin with, I can't think of a single rational explanation for hiding the existance of a sister from a child who was two when she died. It was completely contrived, and it disgusted me that people were getting paid to write a scene like that.
As to the nuclear radiation, if you're in a room with someone who is emitting enough radiation to boil water, you're not going to walk out of it alive. And that's just the most obvious on a long list of scientific inaccuracies. I hate science and I could spot most of them, my engineering friends were pointing out even more.
Don't get me wrong, I adored the Hiro storyline, and Claire's dad is turning out to be exactly who I want him to be. I just end every episode torn between really wanted to see the next one, and wonder at some of the bad stuff that got mixed in with the good stuff in the one that just ended.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by blacwolve: As to the nuclear radiation, if you're in a room with someone who is emitting enough radiation to boil water, you're not going to walk out of it alive. And that's just the most obvious on a long list of scientific inaccuracies. I hate science and I could spot most of them, my engineering friends were pointing out even more.
Maybe Ted can focus the radiation/heat/nuclear power he weilds on a certain object/spot if he needs to.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
He was trying to blow up the building. The cards the cops were carrying turned bright red. It wasn't concentrated on the glass of water.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
blacwolve -
Firstly, it's a different culture, they might have different cultural norms than we do about that sort of thing. Second, Mohinder's mother felt it wasn't her place to tell Mohinder, his father apparently silenced her on it, and I think the father has the power to more or less compel secrecy from a wife there. We don't know how the child died, and we don't know why that kid is apparently reaching out to Mohinder in his dreams (if that is the case). It assigns motive to Mohinder's father though, on why he decided to research this stuff, so I like it as backstory, but we don't know the whole story yet.
I think Ted can channel his radiation when he wants to. Look up "Radioactive Man" on Wikipedia, I bet there's something there on what the original marvel comic character can do. Besides, at the end of the day, it IS sci-fi comic stuff. We let a lot of stuff go. And we don't know that the "red level" automatically means an instant death for those two.
What if Ted can absorb radiation as well as emit it? We know his power isn't ineffective, he killed his wife, but that suggests prolonged exposure is necessary.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Firstly, I'm watching it with an Indian guy, and he thought it was just as ridiculous as I did.
Secondly, I'm sure Ted can channel his radiation, the point is that he wasn't. He said he was trying to blow up the building. And we do know that the red level means automatic death because those card things exist in the real world, and in the real world, those card things being red means instant death.
Before the cops went in, they said that he was emitting 1800 (1600? around that) Curies of radiation. You don't go into a room with that much radiation without protection. For that matter, you don't wonder around a nuclear fire without protection, either, but hey, maybe Ted managed to focus the radiation so that the flames themselves weren't radioactive.
The point is that all of this information would have been extremely easy for the writers to find out, and extremely easy to incorporate into the story and they just didn't bother. That's just bad writing.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by blacwolve: That's just bad writing.
Or someone being really nitpicky about a sci-fi (meaning fiction) show.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
I like the way you ignore the word science in the term science fiction.
I'm sorry, I forgot, I'm not supposed to expect my entertainment to even attempt to make sense. My bad.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by blacwolve: Firstly, I'm watching it with an Indian guy, and he thought it was just as ridiculous as I did.
Secondly, I'm sure Ted can channel his radiation, the point is that he wasn't. He said he was trying to blow up the building. And we do know that the red level means automatic death because those card things exist in the real world, and in the real world, those card things being red means instant death.
Before the cops went in, they said that he was emitting 1800 (1600? around that) Curies of radiation. You don't go into a room with that much radiation without protection. For that matter, you don't wonder around a nuclear fire without protection, either, but hey, maybe Ted managed to focus the radiation so that the flames themselves weren't radioactive.
The point is that all of this information would have been extremely easy for the writers to find out, and extremely easy to incorporate into the story and they just didn't bother. That's just bad writing.
I didn't know Indian culture was so homogeneous.
So there are mistakes. I'll take that at face value.....um, so what? Yeah yeah, they were a little sloppy and mixed up a nitpicky fact, but who cares? We let little stuff go ALL THE TIME in sci-fi. It's a given in the genre. Be it a plot hole, or a bit of lazy writing amidst something much greater as a whole. It's your choice to be nitpicky and to watch or not watch as you wish, but I wouldn't make a big deal out of it.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Well, to begin with, it's not a nitpicky fact, it's an entire subplot that is completely incorrect. The point is that maybe science fiction would be a better genre if we didn't let stuff go all the time. Maybe if we expected more out of the genre, we would get more from it.
I'm going to keep watching, I never said I wouldn't, I'm not sure where you got that from. There are a lot of great things that I really love about Heroes. But I'm also going to keep being sad that instead of being the great show it could be, it remains only a good one.
Maybe you don't see the need to expect greatness from your shows. You're in luck, there will always be something on tv for you. Don't blame me for wanting something more, though .
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Still can't wait til next Monday... *huge* : )
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Television as a whole sucks. I watch a lot of the good stuff because it's good, and I watch some of the bad stuff because it's still fun, if not terribly clever. We all have our requirements, I never denied you the ability to have yours, in fact, I believe I specifically said you can do, and want, whatever you want, so....okay.
From what I've read, the amount of curies isn't immaterial, but what matters is the amount of absorbed radioactive material. What was the dosage in sieverts?
Posted by graywolfe (Member # 3852) on :
Why are we talking about curries and sieverts?
God, after that episode the last thing I thought we'd be talking about is whether or not they hired enough technical advisors to handle references to freaking safety procedures when conversing with radioactive living human beings. If you can suspend disbelief that a guy can be part living radiation, why can't you suspend disbelief about the rest?
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by blacwolve: I like the way you ignore the word science in the term science fiction.
I'm sorry, I forgot, I'm not supposed to expect my entertainment to even attempt to make sense. My bad.
And you seem to ignore the 'fiction' part of it. Hey man, Superman can't really fly, the Human Torch can't really turn into living flame, and Flynn can't really be sucked into a living, breathing computer world and be able to weild powers there.
Regardless if 'science' is in there, it's fiction. Within the show itself, it does make sense. Instead of nitpicking trivial things like how many Curies can kill a person, how about trying to focus on the story at hand? OR... just stop watching the show all together if it's not smart enough for ya.
I dunno, just a suggestion.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Because within the show itself it doesn't make sense. That's what bothers me.
You know what, I give up.
I like the show, it's really awesome a lot of the time. I don't see why I can't point out that sometimes it isn't really awesome without getting jumped on. But hey, obviously I can't.
Posted by Seatarsprayan (Member # 7634) on :
The "you had a sister" thing was kinda dumb, plus it was already done in Star Trek: The Next Generation's seventh season "Dark Page."
My problem is with the time travel. Hiro tried to go back in time one day, but he went back at least six months. We know because the waitress said she received a Japanese phrasebook as a birthday present six months ago. We see her birthday picture on the bulletin board, but after Hiro leaves, now he is in it.
So he goes back in time, meets her, has their picture taken, and those changes roll forward into a new present... but one in which she is still dead? That picture means the rest of the episode concerning Hiro didn't happen the way we saw it... unless the waitress was just acting like she was meeting him for the first time. Which would be odd since she still dies... I don't think they'll resolve this without a 4th-wall-breaking paradox.
I don't know why Hiro didn't just try to go back in time 20 minutes, hide in the storeroom, freeze time when Sylar showed up, and save her that way.
He may not teleport consistently yet, but when he wants he can freeze time pretty well. And unless Sylar has that power too, isn't he pretty much dead? Being able to control time is the ultimate power as I see it. It doesn't matter how strong or telekinetic or whatever, if Hiro can freeze time he can kill Sylar.
Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
Seatarsprayan (henceforth Seat), If you've ever read the Time Travelers Wife, then you would be able to see a couple different ways out of this paradox. Be patient and let's see what happens next week.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Hiro isn't very accurate with is time travel yet. He went back too far, gave her the phrase book, probably said "WHen you meet me again, pretend you don't know me." failed to warn her some how and got incapacitated the day Syler was going to kill Charlie (the waitress).
He'll probably come stumbling in next week speaking english as though he's been living in Hicksville for 6 months.. which he has.
Just my guess...
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
Hiro was not in the picture earlier. They showed a sceene with it before he teleported. He only showed up in it after he jumped back in time.
Posted by graywolfe (Member # 3852) on :
Wolve, you can point out issues as you see fit, if it renders your capacity to suspend disbelief moot, then it's obviously going to be a problem for you since in such moments you'll be pulled out of the storyline and back into reality. It just seems a bit silly to me that you draw the line where you do considering people are flying around, bending time, drawing pictures of the future, phasing through space, hearing peoples thoughts etc.
That being said, I understand your point. One of the first instances of the same for me was Top Gun twenty years ago. I was an eleven year old that had wanted to be a military pilot since I was a little kid so I was overjoyed to see the movie. Then the climax is filled with 1950's designed and Vietnam era US F-5's presented as the latest Russian fighters (in reality, Mig-29 Fulcrum's, and Su-27 Flankers could fly a thousand circles around those Eisenhower-Kennedy era American fighters)with ridiculous black paint jobs jousting with American F-14's. It was so ridiculous, so thoroughly moronic, that I was completely unable to suspend disbelief for the climax of the movie. Obviously it worked for some, but for anyone with a passing interest in military aircraft, or anyone who'd actually been to an airshow would have spotted the discrepancy in less time than it takes to burst out laughing, which I did, even as an eleven year old.
So yes, I understand where you're coming from, I just think its a bit weird to call them on this when this show is built on the premise that the rules of science as we understand them, will be broken from litterally second to second, rather than minute to minute or episode to episode.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: When was Sylar ever in a police holding cell?
Apologies I don't know why I typed Sylar instead of Ted.
For some reason now that I think about it I wonder if they are the same person judging on that one dark picture where Syler is wearing a cap, and somebody cleaned it up. The face seems very similar.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
They're played by two different people.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: They're played by two different people.
Good to know.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Do people think Sylar was in the room when the waitress was killed? I didn't think there was anyone in the room with her when she died. Which would a. make it a lot harder for Hiro to save her and b. make Sylar have another cool power.
Edit: Also, have we seen the watch that the man who killed Chandra was wearing? My friend swears he remembers it.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
As for the radioactive guy, that reminds me of the old sf short story by Ralph Milne Farley, "Abductor Minimi Digit," which was originally published in Weird Tales, January, 1932. (I read it in a later compilation.) In the story, the man starts out with a mind over matter exercize, learning to flex a muscle that most people seldom used. Then things get worse step by step, where he is able to do more things just by willing them, until one day he begins to fear he might be able to make himself blow up like an atom bomb. Finally he looks in the mirrow in the dark, and sees his own nervous system glowing in the dark. I then freaked myself out when I discovered I could flex my abductor minimi digit (the muscle that can pull the little finger sideways away from the other fingers).
blacwolve, you object so nobly about the unscientific idea of a man being able to survive his own radioactivity. But you did not say anything about the cheerleader (Claire) being able to regenerate and heal the most severe wounds in a matter of minutes, or the guy who is able to fly just by willing it, etc. If you are going to suspend disbelief so that you can enjoy a science fiction story, then don't be a piker about it. Don't be so picky about what disbelief you choose to suspend. Complaining about any aspect of it without complaining about the whole of it, is inconsistent. Maybe the guy is able to heal himself of the radiation damage, like the cheerleader.
[ November 14, 2006, 04:37 PM: Message edited by: Ron Lambert ]
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
The watch that the guy who killed Chandra was wearing is the same one Sylar is wearing in the cafe in last night's episode.
Sylar killed Chandra.
Posted by EKR (Member # 9545) on :
Did anyone catch on Eden's little hidden secret? She too has a power of her own....
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
What about Mohinder? Was his 'dream' indicative of a power? He wasn't there to be able to hear his father and mother arguing about Chandra leaving to the US. Maybe he has the power to see into the past, much like the people in Pastwatch?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by blacwolve: Do people think Sylar was in the room when the waitress was killed? I didn't think there was anyone in the room with her when she died. Which would a. make it a lot harder for Hiro to save her and b. make Sylar have another cool power.
I think Sylar went into the back room and killed Charlie. As soon as she was killed, they showed us the interior of the diner, and Sylar wasn't at his table.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by PUNJABEE: The watch that the guy who killed Chandra was wearing is the same one Sylar is wearing in the cafe in last night's episode.
Sylar killed Chandra.
Which suggests that Chandra didn't have any powers. Or Sylar would have taken his brain like he did to Charlie and the others, and not bashed it against the window.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Did Mohinder's dream indicate that Mohinder has a power, or that Shatri (is that her name) managed to survive out of body and is visiting Mohinder in his dreams?
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
Which suggests that Chandra didn't have any powers. Or Sylar would have taken his brain like he did to Charlie and the others, and not bashed it against the window. [/QUOTE]
Yeah I was wondering about that.
Posted by Seatarsprayan (Member # 7634) on :
TheHumanTarget (hereafter TheH): I know there are still ways out of this problem, I just don't have much faith in Hollywood when it comes to doing time travel. I would love to be pleasantly surprised by it all making sense.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Seatarsprayan: TheHumanTarget (hereafter TheH): I know there are still ways out of this problem, I just don't have much faith in Hollywood when it comes to doing time travel. I would love to be pleasantly surprised by it all making sense.
If they add a flux capacitor to the plot would that make everything better? Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: Hiro isn't very accurate with is time travel yet. He went back too far, gave her the phrase book, probably said "WHen you meet me again, pretend you don't know me." failed to warn her some how and got incapacitated the day Syler was going to kill Charlie (the waitress).
He'll probably come stumbling in next week speaking english as though he's been living in Hicksville for 6 months.. which he has.
Just my guess...
Makes sense to me. Did we find out that he went back too far in the comic? I haven't read it.
Still doesn't explain what happened to let her go to work that morning. If Hiro was in Texas for 6 months, he should have gone to the diner with her that morning knowing he had to protect her. Something must have gotten in the way of that. What I wonder, is if Claire's father found a way to capture him, and he's in a holding cell somewhere being rendered unconcious. We know that in the next episode Hiro and Ando make it to the gym, what if that is done via Claire's dad capturing Hiro and demanding his help? And that's why he can't make it to the cafe to help Hiro?
I'm sure they will clear it up next week, but I find it hard to believe that he'd be with her for six months (which totally makes sense) and then still let her be killed. Something has to happen.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
Hiro isn't very good at aiming his powers. He wanted to go to NYC and ended up 5 weeks in the future. And now when he wanted to go to yesterday he ended up like 6 months in the past.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Just a random connection that my wife and I found amusing:
The actor who plays DL was in the movie Drumline....DL, DrumLine....
Anyway.....
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: blacwolve, you object so nobly about the unscientific idea of a man being able to survive his own radioactivity. But you did not say anything about the cheerleader (Claire) being able to regenerate and heal the most severe wounds in a matter of minutes, or the guy who is able to fly just by willing it, etc. If you are going to suspend disbelief so that you can enjoy a science fiction story, then don't be a piker about it. Don't be so picky about what disbelief you choose to suspend. Complaining about any aspect of it without complaining about the whole of it, is inconsistent. Maybe the guy is able to heal himself of the radiation damage, like the cheerleader.
Um, I never, ever objected to the guy being immune to his own radioactivity. If he's going to emit radiation of course he's going to be immune to his own radioactivity. Where did you ever get that idea from?
Edit (read the rest of the thread): I didn't realize that Sylar was in the diner. I missed the episode in which we were introduced to Sylar(midterms), so I still don't know what he looks like. Sorry.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I thought the name on the kid's file looked like you could easily get Syler out of it (S. Iyer). I suspect him.
Last time Hiro time traveled, he called Ando in that future. That Ando hadn't seen him in weeks and had flyers up looking for him. Ando went on with his life while Hiro traveled. Maybe present time will change after Hiro has a chance to make his changes, but the changes haven't caught up yet from an outside perspective.
blacwolve, my buddy made the same comment about the supposed radiation levels. I had to push the "I believe" button and keep going.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I think we're going to have to take the whole radiation thing with a grain of salt. The scene we see with the person making the phone call about Ted escaping is standing right in front of the burning car. No way if Ted used radioactive powers to combust the car is anyone going to be standing that close to it afterwards without protection, the whole area would be radioactive.
I think they thought it would be too cumbersome to have everyone and his brother wearing a lead suit.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by blacwolve: Edit (read the rest of the thread): I didn't realize that Sylar was in the diner. I missed the episode in which we were introduced to Sylar(midterms), so I still don't know what he looks like. Sorry.
We've never seen Sylar full face. But we know who he's played by, and he was listed in the secondary credits in this ep. Zachary Quinto.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
I'm willing to accept it if it's pointed out that whatever this guy does has elements very like radiation but not exactly.
I'm not asking for iron-clad scientific accuracy, but consistency would be nice. The Fed told the cop if their dosimeters changed color they were dead. Well, the dosimeters changed color. Hello?
And me, if I knew I was holding a man who could emit radiation, I might take steps to, I dunno, contain that radiation? Maybe wear a radsuit before I talked to him?
Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 5108) on :
quote:Last time Hiro time traveled, he called Ando in that future. That Ando hadn't seen him in weeks and had flyers up looking for him. Ando went on with his life while Hiro traveled. Maybe present time will change after Hiro has a chance to make his changes, but the changes haven't caught up yet from an outside perspective.
It's possible. But on the other hand, Hiro went into the future the first time, so I wouldn't expect anything he did to affect the timeline in between the present and his visit to the future. Now that he's gone back into the past I'd think it would be different, but then, time travel always gives me a headache.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
Lyrhawn, there are more than one kind of radiation. Gamma rays would produce heat and burning effects, and could have ignited the car, but only slow neutrons can make other substances become radioactive.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I thought gamma rays made you green and angry.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: Lyrhawn, there are more than one kind of radiation. Gamma rays would produce heat and burning effects, and could have ignited the car, but only slow neutrons can make other substances become radioactive.
Well there's a nice little ex deux machina. "What? Radiation? No, this time it was the OTHER radiation."
Every previous time he has used his abilities it has been threatening to the people around him, and left a radioactive echo. It'd be inconsistent, but unsurprising, if all of a sudden he can control it.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I thought gamma rays made you green and angry.
True Story, Bruce Banner has demonstrated the effect of gamma rays time and time again!
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Of course, sometimes it makes him grey, rather than green...
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I think its a stretch to call this a science fiction show. The basic premise, that genetic mutations could lead to super powers like flight, walking through walls, seeing the future and the like has no scientific plausibility whatsoever. This is a fantasy show not science fiction. To quibble about the scientific accuracy of the radiation when the entire show is based on a fantastic non-scientific idea is ridiculous.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Chris Bridges: I'm willing to accept it if it's pointed out that whatever this guy does has elements very like radiation but not exactly.
I'm not asking for iron-clad scientific accuracy, but consistency would be nice. The Fed told the cop if their dosimeters changed color they were dead. Well, the dosimeters changed color. Hello?
And me, if I knew I was holding a man who could emit radiation, I might take steps to, I dunno, contain that radiation? Maybe wear a radsuit before I talked to him?
What if the two characters exposed to the radiation start losing hair and puking blood? Would that make you feel better?
Actually to be honest that would introduce an interesting dynamic.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by AvidReader: I thought the name on the kid's file looked like you could easily get Syler out of it (S. Iyer). I suspect him.
Oooo! I like this theory. It would match well with the bet from one of the first episodes where Sylar says that Mohinders father made him what he is. Does anyone remember the exact quote and which episode it was in?
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I'm scared of the show going the way of Lost: Having so many loose plot lines that it's doomed to only last 2 or 3 seasons before people start getting sick of it. I think the danger with Heroes is expanding the powers to far so that we can't keep track of who, what, when, where, why, or even why we should care. Case in point: Hiro. From the first commercial I saw with him in it, I said "That's going to be messy". Dealing with space-time stuff is just asking for confusion and headaches. I liked them talking about the danger of creating rifts, etc etc, since that seemed a good way to limit his power, but now they're in dangerous waters. I hope they work it out.
And I didn't really mind the sister subplot. Farfetched, yes, but Mohinders dad was a weird guy. Though I'm not sure how no one who knew his parents before ever mentioned that he had a sister. Kind of like a Truman Show type deal.
Oh, and what the heck? If (and I think it was, don't get me wrong) that was Syler who killed Charesh (Mohinders dad. I think I got the name right), then why did he use his hands? And if he was going to use his hands, why didn't he just snap his neck or something a lot easier than bashing his head against a window. The guy has super strength and mind control powers (to name a few), why be so messy?
Last thing: Do you think they'll ever give an explanation as to why the heroes powers are only showing up now? It doesn't seem like it's tied into to any biological process. I haven't read any of the comics or any of the other supplementary things (if there are any) so maybe I'm missing something.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:And me, if I knew I was holding a man who could emit radiation, I might take steps to, I dunno, contain that radiation? Maybe wear a radsuit before I talked to him?
People have very strange ideas about radsuits. Radsuits don't protect you from radiation. They will block alpha particles but then so does your skin. They will keep you from getting radioactive particles in your lungs, hair and on your clothing which makes it much easier to decontaminate you after you've left the area. But radsuits do not provide any significant radiation protection.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: I'm scared of the show going the way of Lost: Having so many loose plot lines that it's doomed to only last 2 or 3 seasons before people start getting sick of it.
I think they're aware of that danger. Watch it tonight.
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: And I didn't really mind the sister subplot. Farfetched, yes, but Mohinders dad was a weird guy. Though I'm not sure how no one who knew his parents before ever mentioned that he had a sister. Kind of like a Truman Show type deal.
That actually happens. It didn't seem far-fetched to me at all.
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: Oh, and what the heck? If (and I think it was, don't get me wrong) that was Syler who killed Charesh (Mohinders dad. I think I got the name right), then why did he use his hands?
When I saw that, I concluded from it that Chandra (Suresh is their last name) didn't have any powers. I assume that he only eats the brains (or whatever) of people with powers. Presumably to absorb those powers himself.
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: And if he was going to use his hands, why didn't he just snap his neck or something a lot easier than bashing his head against a window. The guy has super strength and mind control powers (to name a few), why be so messy?
Remember the phone message he left for Chandra? All of his other killings seem to be for a purpose. With Chandra, it was personal. He blamed Chandra for making him what he is. That's the kind of anger we saw when he beat his head in.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:Oh, and what the heck? If (and I think it was, don't get me wrong) that was Syler who killed Charesh (Mohinders dad. I think I got the name right), then why did he use his hands? And if he was going to use his hands, why didn't he just snap his neck or something a lot easier than bashing his head against a window. The guy has super strength and mind control powers (to name a few), why be so messy?
I took this as being a deliberate plot point, and a very cool one. When he made his first kill (Charesh), he had no powers. This to me implies that he gains the powers of those he kills (which I've suspected all along), perhaps by doing something to their brains.
I thought that perhaps Charesh's power was to be able to locate other super-powered people, but it looks like if he didn't eat his brain, probably not. More likely, Sylar simply stole Charesh's research to locate others.
I have the same sort of reactions others are having. Shouting out "those two are now dead, that was way too much radiation to live!" and similar things.
But I don't let it get to me. Perhaps because I read comic books about super-heroes, and have to make similar sacrifices on the alter of suspension of disbelief every time I pick up an issue. It simply is not the standard of which most science fiction is held up to.
For instance, my other new show I've been watching is Jericho. Now that show has enough things which strain my credulity that it is becoming more difficult to watch it.
Is it more far-fetched than Heroes? Of course not, Heroes is way more far-fetched. The difference is how the two are presented. One is comic book fantasy, the other is relatively hard science fiction.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote: When I saw that, I concluded from it that Chandra (Suresh is their last name) didn't have any powers. I assume that he only eats the brains (or whatever) of people with powers. Presumably to absorb those powers himself.
Lisa: Remember when we are introduced to the cop's power they go into the house and the mother is pegged to the stairwell by some knifes and the father eating cereal seems to have been haulted mid bite by the fact half his skull and entire brain is missing.
I guess its possible the father had powers, (He certainly didn't have psychic powers) but it wasn't stated affirmatively in the show, it could go either way I guess. Doesn't it sound alittle simple that Sylar picks up brains because he wants to absorb their powers? He clearly has all the powers he has right now, he didn't need Peter (Or was it Nathan, I mix em up) in order to fly.
Perhaps he is like a serial killer that takes trophies?
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
quote:Watch it tonight.
Do you get advance screenings or something? Because if so, I might have to eat your brain to absorb that power (completely kidding of course ).
Oh, and I forgot to mention ... is it assumed that Eve's power is to make people do things? Maybe like a Siren or something.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote: Oh, and I forgot to mention ... is it assumed that Eve's power is to make people do things? Maybe like a Siren or something.
If it was it might explain why Sylar was able to make that cop almost shoot herself in the head.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I looked at the segment with Sylar in the cafe from last week and he isn't wearing a visable watch. He could have one that is covered by his sleave, but I can't see any indication that he is the owner of the 7 minutes to midnight watch.
Also, Claire's Dad wears a watch with a metal band so it doesn't match the 7 minutes to midnight watch.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
It was me who posted that, not Lisa.
You may be right, but I myself doubt it. I think he is gaining more and more power with each and every kill. I think now that he killed the girl who could remember everything, that he himself will now have that power.
I can't explain how he can fly, without having killed Nathan, but I still think my theory is correct.
Oh and by the way, I thought the girl with the memory power was completely adorable. I liked her a lot. I had a feeling she was going to die that episode, but hopefully she can make subsequent appearences.
It's sort of like the really sweet and cute girl on Grey's anatomy that came in with a pole through her. The writer's set you up to care about her (and they did a great job, at least for me) and then had her die in the same episode. So you know that the character's sole purpose was to die in a way that affected the viewer emotionally. It felt very manipulative in Grey's Anatomy, and I'm hoping it isn't the case here.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove:
quote:Watch it tonight.
Do you get advance screenings or something? Because if so, I might have to eat your brain to absorb that power (completely kidding of course ).
Heh. No, but I get the gossip. And tonight is the one where the whole "Save the Cheerleader; Save the World" happens.
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: Oh, and I forgot to mention ... is it assumed that Eve's power is to make people do things? Maybe like a Siren or something.
Eden. And yes, that's what it looked like last week.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
"But I don't let it get to me. Perhaps because I read comic books about super-heroes, and have to make similar sacrifices on the alter of suspension of disbelief every time I pick up an issue. It simply is not the standard of which most science fiction is held up to."
I can't define precisely what the stress load on my willing suspension of disbelief is. I only know that the more apparently impossible or contradictory things I am expected to ignore, the less I am "inside" the story. I accept that this show will have elements that are physically impossible, but there has to be an inner consistency for me to enjoy the show anyway.
Had the fed not made a point of handing the cop the dosimeter and told him a color change meant he was dead, and had the director not made a point of showing us that the cop saw his dosimeter had changed color, it wouldn't have bothered me. Had they just walked right in and then we saw the water bubbling I would have joked and said "ha, shouldn't they be dead now?" and moved on, knowing full well they'd show up hale and hearty later on. But here we were told, explicitly, that a red dosimeter means they're dead and there's a red dosimeter. If that is never again addressed I'll have lost a lot of respect for the show's creators.
I can ignore a certain level of implausibility, but the more I'm forced to ignore the more likely I am to drop out of the experience and start noticing other things wrong with the show. Or movie, or book.
Posted by mistaben (Member # 8721) on :
I don't think Sylar has mind control powers. The telekinesis he demonstrated with his coffee mug last week can easily explain the woman pegged to the wall with knives and the lady cop holding her gun to her own head.
Also, we never see a watch on Sylar in the restaurant but whenever we get close to him we hear a loud ticking sound. That's a good enough link for me.
I was amused to note the concerns with the radiation. I didn't even think about it! Some physicist, eh? Then again I was wearing my sci-fi/fantasy nerd hat instead of the physicist one.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I say mind control powers because of the scene in the FBI where he forced the chick to put the gun to her head. I took that as mind control powers at least.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:Also, we never see a watch on Sylar in the restaurant
Uh... Yeah we did, several times in fact. It was the same blue watch, but the glass (or plastic) face was broken.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Yeah, I just watched it, it's true. In the second scene (first scene in the diner) the camera rests on it clearly for a second or so. Definitely the same watch pointing to 7 minutes to midnight.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
You're right Dr. Strangelove. I'd only checked the second scene that shows Sylar in the cafe. In the opening scene, they definitely show him wearing the 7 minutes to midnight watch.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Gosh darn it Lisa! I thought you said this week had answers! It answers nothing! Nothing, you hear me! Ahhhh!!!
In other news, good stuff with Mohinder. And Claire's dad is really hooked up. Definitely seeming kind of like a (possibly) benevolent Stryker from X2.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Wow, just wow. That was an awesome episode. I was disappointed that there wasn't any Hiro until the very end, but that's okay. I totally expected Peter to heal thanks to Claire though. My friend predicted Jackie (or whatever her name was) would get killed by Sylar due to the pictures (after Peter's mistake). It was still good stuff. I'm always surprised how much by the end of Heroes I'm pumped up and wishing it was already the next Monday. This is an awesome show and it just keeps getting better in my opinion.
EDIT: Claire's dad makes think of a more pro-active and forceful Charles Xavier from the X-Men. He seems to be interested in the people and wants to help them, but he just has a lot of different means to do it. He seems to do some bad things (capturing the mind reading guy and tagging him adn such), but I think his ends are good.
Posted by libertygirl (Member # 8761) on :
Awesome, awesome, awesome episode!!!!! I loved it. I agree though I wish Hiro was in it more. I was really surprised they caught Sylar but now we'll learn more about him which should be interesting. Jessicas past should be cool too! I can't WAIT till next week!!!
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
**SPOILERS**
I can't wait for next week's episode because it looks like Sylar will be in Claire's dad's lab.
Also, definately expected Peter to get arrested and to heal himself due to being in proximity to Claire. I wish there had been more Hiro, but it seems like next week will have more of his story and where he went. Oh, and way to end the DL/Jessica line! Ahh!
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
*Spoilers*
I loved how Claire's dad (does he have a name?) had such confidence in Eden subduing Sylar. I mean, he shows her these gory pictures of peoples heads chopped open and then says "Ok, go take care of him".
Also, DL can pass through solid objects. Wouldn't it make sense that solid objects (like ... bullets) could also pass through him? I personally kind of doubt it'll end up that way, but its a distinct possibility.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Well the way he started looking over his shoulder and stuff, it's like he was expecting something. I was thinking he'd just phase out so that things would pass through him (assuming he has that level of control, which it seems like he does).
Posted by EKR (Member # 9545) on :
Peter is going to be the prime suspect in the Sylar case... The FBI and the mind reading cop are going to become involved in all of this. Peter's gonna read minds for a brief moment.
That's my predition for the day.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Why didn't Peter absorb more of Sylar's powers? Obviously while he was with Claire he could heal, but he didn't seem to get anything from Sylar.
I'm beginning to actually like Mr. Bennett. Never thought that would happen.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
Peter's been a bit slow so far to be able to make conscious use of the powers he borrows, so I imagine he did absorb some of Sylar's powers, but wasn't able to use them. Claire's powers act on their own, without her conscious decision to use them, so it makes sense they'd also act that way in Peter.
I was on the verge of suggesting an alternate hypothesis involving Sylar being immune to other supers' powers, but then I remembered that Eden and the unnamed guy who work with Mr. Bennet both used their powers on him in the woods. So, I don't know.
I do know that this show has me completely engrossed. It's one of the few shows I watch as it airs, rather than wait for the tivo to be done with it so that I don't have to watch commercials. (House is the other one, incidentally. )
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Peter's lucky that he straightened out his foot before Claire's powers faded. That would have been quite uncomfortable.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
If I woke up on the ground after that fall with my legs on backwards, I think it would have taken me a bit more time to figure out I could twist them back. I guess they didn't have much time before the next commercial though.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote: Also, DL can pass through solid objects. Wouldn't it make sense that solid objects (like ... bullets) could also pass through him? I personally kind of doubt it'll end up that way, but its a distinct possibility.
I thought that was implied with the whole "As long as he doesn't see me coming" or whatever that line was. Having been prepared, I would bet the bullet went right through him.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by EKR: Peter is going to be the prime suspect in the Sylar case... The FBI and the mind reading cop are going to become involved in all of this. Peter's gonna read minds for a brief moment.
That's my predition for the day.
Ooooh. Good point. Nice cath EKR.
As for DL. I agree with the previous poster regarding the line Jessica says about DL knowing if she's coming or not.
Next week is too far away.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
Masi Oka, who plays Hiro, was on Conan O'Brien's Late Night show. Delightful person, very articulate. Unlike his TV character, he speaks perfect English. Like his TV character, he seems to have a wonderfully enthusiastic cheerfulness. Conan surprised him by coming up with research that revealed Oka had appeared on the cover of Time Magazine (I think it was Time) when he was a little kid, with a number of other Asian students at a school for the gifted. It was an article about Asian American kids with very high I.Q.s.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
So what about this rumor I hear that the guy who played Sulu on Star Trek (George Takei) might make an appearance as Hiro's dad -- in a future episode?
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Wow, each week really does become better. To be honest, I'm glad they were able to do a very excellent episode without having to rely on Hiro's awesomeness. I was a bit worried that the show was creeping towards having Hiro be the only gem in the show.
Peter definately stepped up on last nights episode, even if he is a bit slow on his powers. For the most part, Peter has used his powers subconsciously with the exception of Isaac's with the painting of Claire. I think that if he went into the confrontation knowing Sylar's powers, he probably would have displayed them.
Here's something I want to address. Nathan bought the painting back from Linderman, right? And the painting came with a digital picture of it. Does anyone else find that a bit odd? Did Linderman know he'd try to cover it up and Linderman wanted Peter to die? He is very intriguing character...
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I think THE GIRL took the photo of it before showing it to Peter's brother. After all, she had already taken the liberty of finding out where this high school was, etc.
(or maybe Linderman sent a digital photo via email prior to the transaction, to make sure that was the painting wanted)
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Generally when you buy an expensive painting you get photos of it (for insurance purposes) along with the provenance paperwork.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
I also think that each show (for the most part) is better than the one which preceeded it. Its nice to see, after other favorite shows of mine started strong and then declined.
Being a (moderate) comic book geek, here are some observations about how their powers align with existing comic book characters:
Peter: While the obvious answer is Rogue, his powers actually line up much better with Synch from Generation X. Mimic from the Exiles is closer to Peter's power as well.
Niki/Jessica clearly is inspired by the Hulk, especially the MPD part. (Of course, Hulk was inspired by Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.)
Claire basically has Wolverine's healing power without the claws, skeleton, century of training, or super senses. She heals even better than Wolvie does, perhaps more on Deadpool's level.
Nathan's power is of course all over the comic book world. It reminds me most of Superman's flight, without the rest of the Superman package.
DL has Kitty Pryde's power. Not much else to say about that.
Hiro's power is far too great to typically be used by a comic book hero. Like another poster mentioned, its pretty much the most dominating power anyone can have. It is sometimes given to super-villians, especially the most powerful ones. For instance, Thanos with the Infinity Guantlet could stop time, and did so when he was first attacked by earth's heroes.
Matt and Eden's powers have been featured on dozens of characters, notably Jean Grey and Professor X.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I can't remember anyone in the X-Men verse who could stop time, but there was a time traveling mutant who had that little stooge for a sidekick.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Farmgirl: So what about this rumor I hear that the guy who played Sulu on Star Trek (George Takei) might make an appearance as Hiro's dad -- in a future episode?
He's actually going to be making an appearance as Sulu in an upcoming episode of Star Trek: The New Voyages.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Farmgirl: I think THE GIRL took the photo of it before showing it to Peter's brother. After all, she had already taken the liberty of finding out where this high school was, etc.
(or maybe Linderman sent a digital photo via email prior to the transaction, to make sure that was the painting wanted)
Simone actually said that the digital copy came in the box with the painting.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Xavier: Niki/Jessica clearly is inspired by the Hulk, especially the MPD part. (Of course, Hulk was inspired by Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.)
You're obviously not just a comic geek, but a Marvel geek. Niki/Jessica is much closer to Rose/Thorn than she is to the Hulk. There's no physical change, and at least at the beginning, Niki was completely unaware of Jessica.
quote:Originally posted by Xavier: Nathan's power is of course all over the comic book world. It reminds me most of Superman's flight, without the rest of the Superman package.
The only hero I know of whose only power is flight would probably be Black Condor.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:You're obviously not just a comic geek, but a Marvel geek.
Guilty as charged. I've started reading Green Lantern recently, but for the ~15 years before that, it was Marvel all the way.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Given Eden's power of persuasion, why wasn't she able to persuade Mohinder to stay in New York.
I'm still highly suspicious of Mr. Bennet (Claire's Dad). While his concern and love for Claire are clearly genuine, I have serious ethical questions about much of what we have seen him do. He kidnaps people, tests them, erases memories, marks people. He is responsible for at least two deaths. If what he is doing is truly above board, why is he so secretive about it even among the people with superpowers who he is following. If he understands whats going on, why isn't he doing more to help all of these people instead on only a select few. Why did Eden lie to Mohinder, wouldn't it have made more sense for her to collaborate with him rather than simply spying on him. If anyone in this show needs help with their powers its got to be the radioactive man, yet they kidnapped him and then released him to go home and kill his wife and endanger all of New York city. It seems to me that Bennet keeps and helps people who can help him and then just spies on the others. His dishonesty makes me think he and his team are not "good guys".
It really bothered me that Bennet had no concern for Peter, even after Peter saved Claire's life. He was perfectly willing to abandon him to be arrested by the police.
If he does turn out to be a good guy, they have an awful lot of explaining to do.
[ November 21, 2006, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: The Rabbit ]
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:Given Eden's power of persuasion, why wasn't she able to persuade Mohinder to stay in New York.
She could have if she'd used her powers. She doesn't like using her powers like that.
When Bennet found out that Mohinder left for India, I believe he said something to the effect of "You let him go?" She responds, "He will be back."
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Right, remember when Mr. Bennet was trying to get her to "persuade" Isaac, she said something along the lines of "You said I'd never have to do that again". Right now he's obviously not a "good guy", but he's not evil either. His agenda isn't one of "rid the world of mutants" or "world domination" or anything like that (for now). So the jury is still out on him, and it's supposed to be that way. They want to keep us guessing. I bet it's likely he'll have some part in the season finale, him either turning good or bad.
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
He is the guy willing to do almost anything to save his daughter. I think we will find out more about him next week. Or at least that is what the previews show.
msquared
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
I think he's the guy willing to do anything to save his daughter, and prevent the nuke or protect the world from freaks with powers or whatever. He definitely has an agenda, and he appears to be more or less amoral in his actions.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Lisa: You forgot angel/archangel, then theres The Vulture. Though The Vultures wings are mechanical.
Posted by Mig (Member # 9284) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: Given Eden's power of persuasion, why wasn't she able to persuade Mohinder to stay in New York.
At first, I thought maybe Mohinder's power is immunity from other powers. But the kid in India proves that wrong.
I think Eden doesn't particularly like using her power. Which suits me just fine. If someone has to have the power to override my will, I want them to be very reluctant to use it.
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: His dishonesty makes me think he and his team are not "good guys".
Maybe they aren't going to let "good guys" and "bad guys" be a black and white dichotomy on this show. Bad guys can have good traits, and good guys can have bad traits. That's how it is in the real world, after all.
Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :
Maybe the choices aren't good and evil, but good and awesome. Besides, I like a "good guy" that's a bit ruthless... kind of a geek Jack Bauer.
And Eden refrained from telling Mohinder to outright "stay". For which, Daddy Bennett chastised her.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote:Lisa: You forgot angel/archangel, then theres The Vulture. Though The Vultures wings are mechanical.
And Blackblade, you forgot Arthur, the Tick's sidekick. Arthur's wings are mechanical too.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by sndrake:
quote:Lisa: You forgot angel/archangel, then theres The Vulture. Though The Vultures wings are mechanical.
And Blackblade, you forgot Arthur, the Tick's sidekick. Arthur's wings are mechanical too.
lol true enough
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I'm going to stick with Black Condor. He's still the only one with just flight as a power, where he doesn't require mechanical aids.
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
Much will depend on how Mr. Bennet deals with Sylar now that he has him and what he does with Peter to help him, Peter has no blood from the Cheerleader on him, except maybe some transfer from Sylar, but he will have to explain a lot of blood from himself. Incompetant yokels could seriously screw it up.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Another good episode. It made me like Hiro that much more. Try as best he can, he couldn't do what I wanted to most. It's sad and makes you really feel for him. I also liked the explanation for who Sylar is. I didn't fully expect the Jessica/sister twist with Nikki, but it sounds okay. I'm a little sad that next week is the last new episode for a little bit, but I mean that's television for you. Still Heroes is my most anticipated show each week. It's awesome stuff.
Posted by libertygirl (Member # 8761) on :
I love this show : )!!! This episode didn't do much in the way of present day answers but I guess it did clear some stuff up. I actually like Jessica/Nikki a lot better now Jessica seems more real. The worst part is the corny voice at the end saying "You ain't seen nothin' yet." lol.
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
It does look like Sylar gets the powers of those he kills, I wonder what that includes?
Posted by libertygirl (Member # 8761) on :
Does he eat the brains or something? It doesn't really show...
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Best line of the episode, "Greatu Scottu!"
I really liked the timing of this episode showing all these character's pasts and yet its a new episode because for Hiro this is a continuation of his storyline not a recap.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Lisa called the Nikki/Jessica thing pretty damned close.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Best line of the episode, "Greatu Scottu!"
Excellent shout-out to Back to the Future, too.
Posted by EKR (Member # 9545) on :
I don't believe Sylar eats the brains.... From what I gather, his powers seem to allow him to view the structure of one's DNA, or possibly soul, and reconfigure his own to match.... Thus, allowing him "assimilate" a new power.
To make it simple, he's able to mutate his DNA on command.
~Earl
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
If he views his victims as broken then what he does is deliberately break himself to match. That might account for his growing psychosis.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I think it's like with him fixing the watch. He can see how it works. So if he can see the brains of the people he kills, he can see how they work, too.
Not real sure how he makes his brain match, but maybe that's the sort of explaination we don't want.
I loved the scene with Claire and her dad after she made cheerleader. I'm even more worried now that Mr. Bennett had something to do with Chandra's death. It seems like something he'd do if Eden couldn't get Claire off the list.
But why does he want her powers to be a secret so badly? Sylar wasn't out there in the world yet. Mr. Bennett was the only one going after them.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Sheesh! This show is so good! It's setting things up so that it can easily jump to and from story lines without hardly any hassle at all. It's simple, yet glorious. Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
Who is your favorite character in Heroes? Claire, the cheerleader, is really cute, but I have to admit that Hiro with his exuberant cheerfulness is my favorite, not to mention his really profound power of being able to teleport to different times and places. I wonder when he gets his sword, and why.
Interesting that Nicole gained her multiple personality from what apparently was abuse by her father. Psychologists say that is what usually produces multiple personalities--some kind of serious abuse while young. I just wonder now, who is buried in Jessica's grave?
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I'm a fan of Peter Patrelli myself. Evidently I look somewhat like him.
I'm also a fan of "the Haitian". I hope he becomes an actual character and not just a plot device.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: Who is your favorite character in Heroes? Claire, the cheerleader, is really cute, but I have to admit that Hiro with his exuberant cheerfulness is my favorite, not to mention his really profound power of being able to teleport to different times and places. I wonder when he gets his sword, and why.
Interesting that Nicole gained her multiple personality from what apparently was abuse by her father. Psychologists say that is what usually produces multiple personalities--some kind of serious abuse while young. I just wonder now, who is buried in Jessica's grave?
Um... Jessica, I suspect. When Nikki is Jessica, it may be MPD, or it may be that Jessica's spirit is really in her. That doesn't mean it's Jessica's body.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Hiro's been my favorite from the start, and as we see more of him and what he's doing, he grows even further in the lead.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
At the beginning, I didn't like Claire much at all, but I suspect I wasn't supposed to. She's been growing on me each episode, and again, I think that was intended.
Hiro is a fun character to watch, as everyone agrees.
I am bored of Niki/Jessica, and I think that is because Ali Larter isn't a very good actress. I just don't care about her, and never have.
I like Peter okay, though its actually Nathan who interests me more, perhaps because he has the cooler power. Nathan is also morally ambiguous, and those characters are often more fun to watch. It will be interesting to see how his character develops.
Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
Does anyone else wonder what the dead cheerleader's power was? Cause from last night's episode, Sylar can tell people with power- he sees how they are broken. So, he should have sensed that the girl he was killing had no special powers (unless she did have them). And if so, is she the cheerleader they needed to save?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Why do you think he can sense it? He got the list from Chandra; that's how he's finding them.
Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
When Sylar met with with the telekinesis guy, he said something like, yes, I see how you are broken.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
Hiro is my favorite.
For those of you who are interested in trivia, Brian Davis (the first person Sylar killed), was played by David Berman, who also plays the assistant coroner on CSI.
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
Spoiler predictions.
Eve gets killed by Sylar and he absorbs her powers. That is the power he uses to convice nuke guy to kill himself in NY and that is what blows NY up.
msquared
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I wonder about Sylar. I hope that's not the best explanation they're gonna give us. Evidently his power is to see how things are broken (which means Chandra wasn't mistaken), but it doesn't explain how he absorbs other peoples powers. That was all very weird, his whole "Aha! It's in the brain! I can fix you! Woohoo!" *clunk*
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
Megan
I noticed that.
I think Claire has been trying to be someone she is not the past 6 months, so that she could fit in with the cheerleader crowd.
I just want to know more about her dad, since he seemed to know about people with powers before Mohindar's dad and he seemed to be immune to Eve's mind control. Or it could be the other guy in the room.
msquared
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
What scholar said about the people being 'broken'. It made me wonder if the cheerleader had something, too.
Msquared- I think he wasn't affected by her power because he had Tall Dark and Silent to block her power. Don't know what he does, but he seems to be a kind of psychic sink hole besides being able to wipe people's memories.
I think Sylar is totally eating the brains, and I hope we don't get more information about THAT. Anybody notice Sylar was Adam on 24... the biohazard season, I forget which one that was. Two?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Ack, now I'm wondering about the other cheerleader too. He should've known who had powers and who didn't.
But all the paintings that Isaac made were pretty clearly of Claire, and you notice that when Sylar saw what her power was, he immediately dropped the other cheerleader and came after her, which means he either didn't know about her, or had a case of mistaken identity. If he knew the one he killed had powers or no powers, he should've been able to detect the same thing with Clarie being right there.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Maybe he couldn't see it right away... like he didn't immediately see what was different about the CSI guy, until the power had been demonstrated.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by scholar: When Sylar met with with the telekinesis guy, he said something like, yes, I see how you are broken.
Sure, but not when he came in. He didn't say that until after the guy said he wanted to get rid of his power. After digesting the bizarre (to him) idea that someone might not want a power, he concluded that the guy must be broken.
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
My own spoiler predicitions:
I don't think Sylar has an ability to detect as you all seem to claim. He didn't detect the first guy's problems until he focused on him, like he focused on Chandra's watch to find out why it was broken.
He knew there was a cheerleader with abilities - and the evidence available to him indicated it was the Other Cheerleader, rather than Claire - so he proceeded to go for her. If he had completed the process to remove her brain, once he started to focus on her brain - that is likely the point when he would have realized that she was not the cheerleader he was after.
Also - I don't believe he is eating the brains. I think he is studying them to find out what part is "broken" or different so he can turn on that switch in his brain.
I'm no geneticist, so take this as a layman's view of what is happening. Chandra's research indicates that there is a genetic marker that identifies someone as special... able to develop abilities. It does not identify the powers that the person actually has or could have. Sylar has this genetic marker. This implies that Sylar has the ability to develop powers - he only needs to know what "switch" to turn on in his own brain. By studying the brains of other mutants, his ability enables him to enable the different switches in his brain - thus, obtaining their powers.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I'm curious as to what gave Sylar the idea to actually EAT someone's BRAINS.
Or if you're right, to STEAL their brains.
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
Maybe the powers emit something when used? Something he can now sense?
I think the pictures were generic enough, good looking blonde cheerleader, that it could have been of either girl. They both were in the stereo type of the blonde cheeleader type. If we had not met Claire and known she was a main character, I could have seen another person thinking the picture was of the other girl. Peter made the exact same mistake. He met her in the hallway, by the trophy case, and did not know it was her.
msquared
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
He probably does eventually see how they are different, but I agree that it probably wasn't some immediate thing. So the mistaken identity makes sense. He didn't take Poser Cheerleader's brain, after all.
If he STEALS the brains, then where do they go? Because they are missing in the cases that we've seen. If all he has to do is look at the brains and see how they are different, then why does he take them with him? Is he walking around with brains in his pockets?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Or maybe he is doing something far more sinister! Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
Perhaps he is collecting them somewhere, or destroying them. I don't buy the idea yet that he must be eating them. I do think that he needs to remove the brain to properly study it with his special gift.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
I just have this vision of the guy skulking around with brains oozing in his pockets...
For me, this guy's characterization is all in the eyebrows. The actor's eyebrows scream "serial killer" don't they?
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
Her name is Eden. Eden. Not Eve.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by Olivet:
For me, this guy's characterization is all in the eyebrows. The actor's eyebrows scream "serial killer" don't they?
If my eyebrows were constantly screaming suggestions to me, I'd probably wonder if I was crazy anyway.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
I think I was the first person in this thread to mention Slyar "eating" the brains of his victims (too lazy to check), but I didn't mean I actually thought he was doing that.
I just used that to represent the thing he does with the brain to absorb their powers. I still don't rule out them being munched on, but I doubt that's whats happening.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by msquared: Spoiler predictions.
Eve gets killed by Sylar and he absorbs her powers. That is the power he uses to convice nuke guy to kill himself in NY and that is what blows NY up.
msquared
Why do you keep calling her Eve? Just curious.
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
Old man disease?
For some reason I have that name stuck in my head for her.
Eden it is.
msquared
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I'm still operating on the theory that Sylar takes the brains as part (blue prints for getting their powers) and part (serial killers trophy).
His self description of his past life screams serial killer, especially the parts about wanting to be different and wishing he had different parents.
I don't think Sylar neccesarily knows the powers of the people he takes the brains from, he merely see's the difference in their brains as opposed to normal people and he simply makes the change in his own brain.
Perhaps he actually operates on his own brain which is why he wears a hat all the time?
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
You mean he keeps an "open mind"?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Heh.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by msquared: Old man disease?
For some reason I have that name stuck in my head for her.
Eden it is.
Sorry... I honestly didn't know if you had a reason, like if she'd been on another show or something with that name.
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
Eden is the girl who can make suggestions? I missed her name but she is certainly the one that will die next episode, from a plot standpoint she is the expendable one, we have the cute cheerleader and her power and that of the Haitian have to be gotten around for Sylar to escape. Also she is morally ambiguous and living on borrowed time, she is apparently quite the criminal, totally amoral yet she was so tender about the drug addict? New personality implant by they Haitian dude? Or just a little girl waiting for someone to say no?
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
Actually Sylar seems derivitive of the character background JK Rawlings used for Voldemort....
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
Though I would think that Eden would be tough to kill...she would just have to tell him to stop (we have already seen that her power works on him).
Of course, killing her could explain how syler would blow up new york. If he had her power, Syler could easily get the nuclear guy to go into the city and blow himself up.
My guess is that Peter won't be in that much trouble...Clair is sure to make sure he gets out of jail. He did save her life after all.
I was upset that Hiro couldn't save that girl with the memory. I thought she was a good match for him, they both have that innocent thing going that helps balance out the darkness of the show.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
It's possible Eden will join Sylar, since Mr. Bennet kind of made her mad or whatever. That's kind of the vibe I was getting, that she was pissed and was gonna turn on him (because of the whole forcing Isaac thing).
And I don't think the fire guy (I personally think he can *just* burn and not necessarily be nuclear) will need much provocation to blow up.
Oh, and did Ando go back to the diner after he helped Peter or whatever? Or did he even go with Peter? I didn't download Homecoming so I can't remember what he did after meeting up with Peter.
Posted by libertygirl (Member # 8761) on :
He didn't go with Peter.
Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
Thanks, Megan! I knew that guy looked familiar.
D.L. and Niki are so good-looking that I find it hard to follow the dialogue in any scene they're in together.
BTW, were Niki and Jessica identical twins?
Posted by EKR (Member # 9545) on :
I find it rather coincidental that Sylar's powers are somewhat a "manual" permanent version of Peter's own.
Oh and for Xavier... Blackblade was the first to mention the idea of eating brains. And I was the first to mention that of acquiring the powers of the brains... Sorry,I am just seriously bored and decided to look it up. Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
awesome episode.
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
So did Sylar still kill Charlie, or did she die of the brain thing? (I guess the brain thing?)
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
actually i think its the anerism.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
What I want to know is, how did Hiro get a copy of a Japanese newspaper in Odessa, Texas? It would be entirely too coincidental for him to just happen to be carrying a six-month-old newspaper with him that was from the date he needed.
--Mel
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
He teleported and got one. Duh.
He does actually seem to be having quite a bit more control over his power - The whole crane thing, the flowers, all that kind of stuff.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
I don't buy it. The previous day, he went back six months when he only wanted to go one day, and now he can teleport that easily and precisely? And then later, he couldn't teleport at all.
The cranes and the flowers are a simple matter of stopping time long enough to make or get what he needed, although he would have had to steal the flowers, or just leave some money on the counter for them. He's already shown many times that he has mastered stopping time, but I can't think of any times that he has managed to teleport exactly when/where he wanted. I would find it incredibly cheesy if the writers gave Hiro the ability to teleport with accuracy just long enough to fetch a newspaper.
--Mel
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
How did he get back to the diner in regular-time? I'm asking, not offering that as a point. He said he took the bus, but I thought the last time we saw him before that he was in Japan. I don't think they have a transpacific bus quite yet. As I said in the beginning, Hiro's power is a very dangerous one to include in a story. I hope the writers know what they're doing.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Its interesting that many of the characters super powers started manifesting themselves at about the same time that Hiro teleported to the past. I wonder if his teleporting to the past caused a time rift that somehow triggered expression of the super genes in a bunch people.
Perhaps Hiro's message "Save the Cheerleader, save the world", was intended to keep Hiro from going back in time and triggering expression of Todd($)'s radioactive gene.
On second thought, I can't think of any reason why Hiro wouldn't have given a less cryptic message if that were the case.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: actually i think its the anerism.
See I though that too, but how would she have blood dripping down her forehead onto her face if it was an aneurysm? Also why would Sylar be at the diner and then simply leave when she was alone in the back room?
Also they pretty much say they have never seen anybody killed that way, but maybe my memory is faulty.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: How did he get back to the diner in regular-time? I'm asking, not offering that as a point. He said he took the bus, but I thought the last time we saw him before that he was in Japan. I don't think they have a transpacific bus quite yet. As I said in the beginning, Hiro's power is a very dangerous one to include in a story. I hope the writers know what they're doing.
All we know is that he was unable to teleport back to the diner from Japan. Whether he managed to teleport to somewhere in the United States and then took a bus to Odessa, or if he had to fly again and then take a bus, I don't think there's any way to know at this point. But that very thing is what would make it so strange if he teleported to Japan and back just to get a newspaper, and there were no complications.
I suppose it might turn out that there's some hidden reason why Hiro can't teleport very well, such as some other character "blocking" him or something, which would make it all make sense. However, at this moment, things don't seem to be adding up.
--Mel
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
I got the impression from Hiro's explanation that he went forward and backward in time trying many things to save her life, but no matter how hard he tried - nothing worked. He teleported to Japan in the instant that he might have made the crucial difference, and couldn't get back to that moment, because it would have impacted the past.
It sounds like his power gives him the ability to change the future, but not the past. His conversation with Peter on the train seems to be the one exception, and Hiro himself seemed to understand that he had very limited ability to do or say more at that moment.
Thus, he does have a measure of control over his ability, enough to teleport to Japan and back to get the proper paper, but not to go back in time one day, if that one day would allow him to change the past.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Wasn't the most obvious effort he made to change the past successful though?
He got Peter to save the cheerleader.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
I think Hiro can change the past as well as the future. In this case though, there was nothing he could have done to save her no matter what he tried. At least that's how I took it. I don't think there are limits on his powers or that any character is blocking him or something. I think he's just struggling to figure out how to make them work. I mean look, he tried to skip back a day or so and ended up six months in the past. He's obviously a little more trained in stopping time completely, as we've seen him do it on numerous occasions. The actual teleportation and time travel though seem to cause him a little more difficulty. If the future Hiro who talked to Peter is any indication though, Hiro should gain more control over it and be more accurate as he has more time to adjust to the power.
EDIT: Some people have already said some of the stuff I said (about stopping time compared to teleporting and time traveling). I just thought I'd share my opinion on it though.
Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
When Hiro talked to Peter, he was fairly cryptic- it was really Isaac's power that made the mission feasible since Hiro didn't tell them when, where, how, why or anything else useful. Also, he had had some undisclosed amount of time to practice so maybe in the intervening months/ years he learned some way to bypass that for atleast a moment. Also, they could explain it away by the moment being allowed because of Peter's power. Afterall, if you could pick anyone to tell to go up against the big bad, would Peter be the first choice? The cheerleader's power wasn't enough to save her, so why bet it times two would be enough. As far as the paper- does he have to teleport all the way to Japan- how about just the nearest big city? For that matter, he could probably set up a subscription to wherever he is staying (expensive but feasible).
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Assuming it's one of the bigger Japanese newspapers, he might be able to get it at a bigger newsstand in a larger city.
Posted by mistaben (Member # 8721) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: I say mind control powers because of the scene in the FBI where he forced the chick to put the gun to her head. I took that as mind control powers at least.
I know that's what you were talking about, but it's not mind control. It's telekinesis. Sylar exerts force using his mind...uh, I guess one could call that "mind control," but usually that phrase calls to mind directing someone else to do something they otherwise wouldn't, rather than exerting an external force to the degree that the other person's physical strength is overcome.
Simpler: it's A) Cop, put your own gun to your own head vs. B) Cop, while you resist, I will force the gun in your hand to point at your head.
Mind control rests with the Haitian dude and Eden.
Here I am, almost 27 years old, arguing about a minor plot point of a fictional television show. Oh, dear.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I don't think he has mind control either otherwise we would have a situation where 2 people have the same power, as in Sylar and Eden can do the same thing.
But then again Sylar flew in that episode and nobody can explain how he did that without getting Nathan's brain.
Posted by EKR (Member # 9545) on :
Eden and Sylar don't have the same powers. It's just as mistaben described....
Eden is more of a persuasion thing. Like Yoda! She has those Jedi mind tricks mastered!!
~Earl
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I don't think he has mind control either otherwise we would have a situation where 2 people have the same power, as in Sylar and Eden can do the same thing.
But then again Sylar flew in that episode and nobody can explain how he did that without getting Nathan's brain.
Looked less like flying than like super human agility.
Either way, there's no rule against two people having the same power.
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
This is not the Wheel of Time series, nothing says that Sylar cannot lift and move himself with his telekinetic power. In fact I once created a super powered hero martial artist who was a limited telekinetic, he could move only himself with his powers but because the speed telekinetic manipulation is light-speed instead of neural conduction speed he was pretty able. I miss the old Marvel games... Shift X anyone?
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Sylar's actions when he was escaping from the cop dude looked exactly like Nathan when he was escaping from Mr. Bennet. Kind of a bending of the knees and then *woosh* up he goes. IMO.
Come to think of it, I wonder if Sylar can detect powers. It seems like he would've stayed and gotten the cops power if he could detect them at the drop of a hat. And there's the thing with choosing the wrong cheerleader. So yeah, maybe if he really concentrates or something ... Oh, I don't know. We'll find out.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Its possible for blood to leak if you have an annerism, look at the evil dude in 5th Element when he was hypertensed/stressed, he burst a blood vessel me thinks.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
When Sylar encorporated Claire's brain, do you suppose he got her aneurism as well as her powers?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Charlie, not Claire.
I'd say it depends on the manner he uses to get their powers.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Right, Charlie. I don't know why I typed Claire.
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
LOST
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by General Sax: This is not the Wheel of Time series, nothing says that Sylar cannot lift and move himself with his telekinetic power. In fact I once created a super powered hero martial artist who was a limited telekinetic, he could move only himself with his powers but because the speed telekinetic manipulation is light-speed instead of neural conduction speed he was pretty able. I miss the old Marvel games... Shift X anyone?
Superboy (the clone one who they killed off recently) used tactile telekinesis for everything, probably including flying.
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
The show's being really vague about Charlie. Apparently, according to the other diner waitress, Hiro "walked out of Charlie's life weeks ago", so Charlie could have come home after the almost-kiss business and gotten killed by Sylar anyway. Or she might have died somewhere else, of an aneurysm.
And I don't think Hiro changed the past by coming back in time to see Peter; I think he just made sure it happened the way it had already happened in his present. Doesn't that seem likely?
Also, I think Hiro can use his powers with much more accuracy when he isn't under stress. That's seemed to be the trend.
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: When Sylar encorporated Claire's brain, do you suppose he got her aneurism as well as her powers?
Now that would be interesting...if after everything it is an aneurysm that kills Slyar rather than another one of the mutants.
Even thought that would make for a good story, I'd still be upset that she died, I think she would be a good addition to the story...much better than Nikki/Jessica
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
My predictions for tonight. Because they said that one hero will die, and one hero will turn traitor.
My guess is that the shot Jessica took actually blew D.L. away, and that Jessica is going to join Linderman and break Sylar out of jail.
I know that's a lot. It presupposes that Linderman and Sylar have a connection, which hasn't even been hinted to in the show.
I think that Micah is going to be helping hunt Jessica down, and that he's going to consider her as having killed both of his parents.
It's finitely possible that the hero who turns traitor is going to be Eden, after we saw the kind of person she used to be. Otherwise, it's a whole lot of change in 6 months. But my money is still on Jessica. I can't see how someone as feral as she is could ever learn to play well with others.
The heros we know of are Nathan, Peter, Hiro, Claire, Isaac, Micah, D.L., Niki, Matt, Eden, Ted (the radioactive guy), and the Haitian. I'm not counting Charlie, because she's already dead.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
My predictions:
The Hero who will die: D.L., but it won't be Jessica who kills him. He will somehow survive Jessica's shot, he and Micah will do something to rescue Niki and redeem Jessica but then D.L. will be killed by Sylar.
The Hero who turns traitor: Nathan.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
If Jessica gets redeemed, I imagine Niki will die in the same ep.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
When Niki/Jessica was nearly killed a few weeks back, my husband said "She's not dead. She's the shows sex interest so their not going to get rid of her that quick".
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I think the traitor is Peter, because in an interview one of the producers said that Peter will have a struggle deciding whether to be good or evil.
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
I would go with Nathan, but has he ever really been a hero? I mean he has powers, but he would love them to go away. He blames them for surviving the crash that hurt his wife and sees them as an emberassment if they ever get publically known.
msquared
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I doubt its Peter it would be too wierd to have Sylar who covets the powers of others being joined by Peter who absorbs the powers of others. Peter has demonstrated time and time again that he is pretty altruistic. Going so far as to feign insanity for his brother's sake. It also does not work for me for the following reasons.
1: You'd have two guys with powers that are too similar, would The Human Torch and Phoenix be enjoyable to watch as a team? The Hulk and The Thing?
2: Sylar and Peter are too similar in their desire to understand their powers. Peter wanted to know what made him different he was sure there was something, and so did Sylar.
My Predictions: Isaac The Artist will die, we already know Sylar gets to him in the future which means he has his address/info. What exactly has happened to protect him from that fate? Nothing I can see.
I really want to say Nathan is the traitor. He has no loyalty to ANYBODY as has been demonstrated in the past. Everything he does even if it's for others it to protect himself. He cheats on his wife and does not have any qualms doing so, he says he is trying to protect his brother from himself by splashing paint on the painting but really its more to protect his image as a candidate. And I really believe Nathan does not believe he can fight Linderman, and I'm with Lisa, I believe Sylar and Linderman are related somehow. Linderman will have Nathan bail Syler out via Nathan flying him away before he can be killed.
Thats my prediction.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by msquared: I would go with Nathan, but has he ever really been a hero? I mean he has powers, but he would love them to go away.
He's broken. <grin>
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by msquared: I would go with Nathan, but has he ever really been a hero? I mean he has powers, but he would love them to go away.
He's broken. <grin>
Or his wife is. Maybe sylar claims he can "fix" Nathan's wife. I think that would probably be enough to turn Nathan over to the dark side.
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
Does anyone have a clue about the two marks on the necks of the cop and AtomBob?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
If Nathan turns traitor it would give a very plausible reason for Peter's struggle to decide between good and evil. Peter doesn't seem to be motivated by the kind of self centeredness typical of villains so its going to be difficult to find a believable reason for him to be tempted by evil. Loyalty and love for his brother would provide that.
I think Peter's power will turn out to be a kind of super empathy. I think he is able to understand people at a subconscious level that is so deep that he is able to mimic their super powers.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I agree with the idea that they're parts of a double helix. Same with Jessica's mark.
Posted by BaoQingTian (Member # 8775) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: 2: Sylar and Peter are too similar in their desire to understand their powers. Peter wanted to know what made him different he was sure there was something, and so did Sylar.
I agree. They are similar enough to be foils. The first couple of episodes, I thought Peter might be evil. The way he talked was exactly like Sylar talks- about being special, feeling of destiny, wanting to use powers, etc. I agree that putting the two together would be very uninteresting.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Bao: I thought the exact same thing about Peter when I first encountered him. The episode where they introduce Sylar's origins was when I thought, "Wow he is like Peter X10 with a serial killer twist."
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Evil twin!
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
Except that Sylar has to kill people to absorb their power. Peter just has to be near them as far as we know. the thing I'm confused about is how Sylar does it. After he kills the people he obviously takes their brain, but how does he attain their powers within himself?
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Little_Doctor: Except that Sylar has to kill people to absorb their power. Peter just has to be near them as far as we know. the thing I'm confused about is how Sylar does it. After he kills the people he obviously takes their brain, but how does he attain their powers within himself?
If we were meant to know the specifics by now the writers would have done so. Obviously they do not feel like telling their audience just yet.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
But I need to know!
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Who says Sylar needs to take their brains? He does, but that doesn't mean he needs to. He's a certifiable whackjob. Maybe he could do it Peter's way. Maybe Peter could do it his way. But Sylar is who he is, and Peter is who he is, and that makes all the difference.
I'd actually like for the two of them to have the exact same power, and have how it's implemented be purely an issue of choice.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:I agree. They are similar enough to be foils. The first couple of episodes, I thought Peter might be evil. The way he talked was exactly like Sylar talks- about being special, feeling of destiny, wanting to use powers, etc. I agree that putting the two together would be very uninteresting.
I'd have to go back and look at the episodes but I think there is a subtle but important distinction. Sylar talks about wanting to be special, wanting to be extraordinary. Peter talks about wanting to do something special, wanting to make a difference. I think that is what will ultimately make the difference between Peter and Sylar.
Sylar consumes the powers of others because he is obsessed with being extraordinary.
Peter is simply able to use the powers of others to make a difference without actually becoming anything extraordinary in his own right. Alone, he really isn't anything. I think that this will be enough for Peter if he is able to work with and through others to make a difference. It would never have been enough for Sylar.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Is Niki/Jessica's split personality part of her super power? Last week we learned that Jessica was around protecting Niki from her father's beatings years ago before the super strength manifested itself. That suggests that Jessica isn't part of the super power, she is simply a psychological disorder resulting from childhood abuse. Jessica may play the same role for Niki that heroine plays for Isaac, it allows her to access her super strength.
If that is the case, perhaps Niki could learn to access this power without Jessica. Maybe the mind erase guy could erase Jessica and then they could help Niki learn to control her super strength.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Is Niki/Jessica's split personality part of her super power? Last week we learned that Jessica was around protecting Niki from her father's beatings years ago before the super strength manifested itself. That suggests that Jessica isn't part of the super power, she is simply a psychological disorder resulting from childhood abuse. Jessica may play the same role for Niki that heroine plays for Isaac, it allows her to access her super strength.
If that is the case, perhaps Niki could learn to access this power without Jessica. Maybe the mind erase guy could erase Jessica and then they could help Niki learn to control her super strength.
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
Sylar's power was to recognize when something was broken and know how to fix it. When he sees the 'break' he can fix it but I suspect that his power to fix can also be used to break, even himself, in the way that the person he studies is broken.
It seems that if he is breaking himself over and over to accumulate power he may also be accumulating collateral damage, magnifying his psychosis for its original megalomania to outright schizoid paranoia.
In my first statement about Sylar I mentioned the parallels between Sylar and Voldemort. I think this is another, Sylar tearing at his own soul over and over to accumulate power with absolute disdain for his own humanity and the lives of others.
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
quote:I'd have to go back and look at the episodes but I think there is a subtle but important distinction. Sylar talks about wanting to be special, wanting to be extraordinary. Peter talks about wanting to do something special, wanting to make a difference. I think that is what will ultimately make the difference between Peter and Sylar.
It's the difference between trying to change the world and trying to heal the world.
quote:Maybe sylar claims he can "fix" Nathan's wife. I think that would probably be enough to turn Nathan over to the dark side.
That's an appropriate tragedy.
[ December 04, 2006, 08:19 PM: Message edited by: Irami Osei-Frimpong ]
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Ick, I suck at these but here's mine:
Eden dies, killed during Sylar's escape.
Jessica totally takes over Niki, but DL phases out before the bullet can take him. Jessica is a bit off her rocker too if she thinks Micah will willingly go back with her after she mows his father down right in front of him. So Jessica is the "traitor."
I don't see Nathan doing it, Nathan was going to try and take down the mobsters when he was in the DA's office. Peter has been portrayed as too damned idealistic and altruistic to turn now, it would make zero sense, same with Claire, too innocent. And there's what, three sides? Mr. Bennet, The Good Guys, and Sylar, and Linderman would make four sides. So when you say someone turned traitor, does that just mean they switched sides? It could mean the Haitian became a good guy (highly doubtful). But I think Mind Reader, Claire, Peter, Nathan and Hiro are all offlimits for being the traitor. Isaac can't control his power making him a useless traitor (he's my other guess for who dies).
If Eden doesn't die, I could see her being the traitor, and Isaac being killed in the process.
Posted by scholar (Member # 9232) on :
I think Isaac will be "traitor." I think he will join up with mr bennet and that is what the promos call traitorous, but I don't know how bad that really is since we don't know what bennet is up to.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Lisa: I've said quite a few times that I think Syler takes brains as a trophy just as serial killers do.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
So who is Mr. Bennett taking orders from?
Edited 9:40 - ooo Isaac can prophesize sober now, and he saw Ted blowing up.
[ December 04, 2006, 09:40 PM: Message edited by: Lyrhawn ]
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
That was freaking coooool!
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Ick, I suck at these but here's mine:
Eden dies, killed during Sylar's escape.
Wow. You nailed that.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
awesoem epidose thigns are really picking up now.
Nice to see that Isaac can draw sober even if he doesnt realize he does when he first did.
And wow it makes sense if Peter doesnt really control his powers well its likely he could obliterate his own powers.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I guess I suck at those a little less than I think.
What the heck is going on with the Haitian though? He CAN talk, but is he taking orders from Mr. Bennett or someone higher up? Or is he really acting on his own and being a good guy by letting Claire in on what is going on? Yay maybe I was right about that too! (doubtful)
Lots of twists and turns in this episode though, and as always, we actually get answers, but always tied to tons more questions.
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
quote: Eden is the girl who can make suggestions? I missed her name but she is certainly the one that will die next episode, from a plot standpoint she is the expendable one,
Me first...
So the Haitian turned traitor... looks like daddy has not won the hearts and minds so much as he thought he had. Also why the confidence that Sylar was neutralized in that place? Was it proximity too the Haitian or was it something about the location, or was it a drug?
Peter seems very sick, now is this Sylar's sickness that Claire's healing cannot cure or is it a symptom of too many powers already? If it is a link with Sylar combined with the subliminal abilities he has accumulated he coud be seeing the future from Sylars point of view, after Sylar gets the power to generate radiation. One does wonder what happens to Peter if he has five or six powers around himself though.
It looks like Hiro is going to do a time bandits thing, but I would not trust a sword against a T-Rex, I have tried to cut a tire with one and I suspect it would be much the same.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
We don't know Peter explodes in the future, only that he thinks that's what he saw. He might have seen himself becoming something else...
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
We know Peter gets a scar. I think that the Haitian is his own man.
The key is Peter's sickness. If anyone figures out what is going on with that, I think the rest of the plot will fall into place.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I'm wondering how Peter would come into contact with Ted at all. Ted was captured by police in LA, and then escaped. Why would he go all the way to New York if he was on the run?
I don't think we know enough yet about what is going on with Peter to even call it a sickness. He was in Claire's presence, which should have healed whatever it is that he had if it was biological, which I think means it has to be from some sort of power. Maybe a byproduct of having borrowed the cop and Claire's powers in so short a time span? I don't think it's a KEY or anything, but I'd like to know if it's a common cold or something more serious.
As far as the Haitian, it's clear that Bennett's organization is taking orders from someone higher up, but what isn't clear is the loyalty of ANYONE in that group. Does Mr. Bennett know that the Haitain is erasing the memories of his daughter's friends? He seemed damned concerned on the phone just before The Big H arrived. That leads me to believe that Bennett didn't order it, and the Big H is either acting on his own, or he's ignoring Bennett and following the orders of the higher ups, orders that Eden clearly ignored when she tried to kill Sylar. But who is the Big Boss? Linderman? Or a new guy we haven't seen yet?
The conversation in the hallway with Eden was significant I think. When Bennett saw the Big H at the end of the hallway he immediately cut off Eden's line of argument and shunted it aside. I think he was afraif the Big H was reading his mind or some such, and didn't want his misgivings about the plan to get to the ears of his boss.
The second half of the season will probably be focusing on and leading up to the explosion in New York, but the big "question" they seem to be shoving at us is who is on Chandra's list. We know Claire was, and Nathan. But what's the big deal? Does Sylar have a copy of the whole list? That'd certainly explain how he is finding his victims. With Eden gone, Mohinder's only confirmed meeting was a brush off from Nathan and a subsequent visit from Peter that he himself brushed off.
Can't wait for the next half of the season, with all the information up in the air, it makes guessing both fun and futile, as there is still so much we do not know.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
I'm worried that if they keep Heroes in the same time slot, it will be on at the same time as 24.
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
Nothing new to say that wasn't already said.
It was an awsome show though. I like it much more than Lost now. They at least answer a question here and there. I think the tally of unanswered questions on Lost is up to 2,847,625,904 or was it 5?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I think it was 4,815,162,342, actually.
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
The Haitian is the traitor, I think. He turned traitor against Mr. Bennett at the end. I am wondering why Sylar was content to just sit in that room if he had the strength the shatter that glass all along. That part didn't make a lot of sense to me.
Anyone else love how Peter and Matt together produced high squeal feedback? I thought that was really well done.
I don't like the "romance" between Matt and the FBI chick. Awfully predictable.
If they kill off Peter I'm going to be really upset. He's one of my most favorite characters and that actor, of all the rest, looks the most like a comic book character come to life.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
The "FBI chick" sets off my gaydar, but I think it's because that actress was a lesbian in a movie once... In any event she seems to be straight enough to find Matt "cute"
I was bummed that Eden died... I liked her.
This is one of those shows that makes me look at my watch and think "OH NO!!! Only 10 minutes left!"
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
I think one of Sylar's abilities is control over metal and Eden's gun was the first metal that came near him.
I think the Haitian guy's power is to cloud memories, but I think the power dampening ability belongs to Claire's dad. He wasn't there, so Sylar could affect Eden's gun.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
quote:Anyone else love how Peter and Matt together produced high squeal feedback? I thought that was really well done.
That was what my freaking cooool line was about. It wasn't just the squeal, but the whole back and forth with both the physical and "what the heck is he doing?" thing. Both of them played it really well. If this hadn't immediately been followed by best Studio 60 episode so far, this ep would have been my favorite TV in a long time.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
Definately the best episode of this show yet. I can't wait for more.
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
I think most of you have it wrong.
Claire's dad has the power to block others powers. It would seem to always be active. He was blocking the cop from reading their minds. He was able to block Syler from using his TK. He was able to block Eden from making him do things.
Sylar was able to use his TK on Eden but not the dad. The Hatian can remove memories but he can not do it to the dad. The one time Claire hurt herself when her dad was around, she kept bleeding. He has never been around when she was hurt.
Peter has been exposed to quite a few powers. Claire, Hiro, Nathan, Issac, Sylar, Matt, Claire's dad.
You watch. Claire's dad is a Hero as well.
msquared
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
quote:Originally posted by msquared: You watch. Claire's dad is a Hero as well.
msquared
Hero or Villan? So far, there has only been one Villan.
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
I also expect the new episodes in Jan. to start off slow again.
This show has done a great job of starting off slow and building tension. They did a fairly nice job of having a nice climax this week and last, but I do not think that they can maintain and build for another 10 -12 weeks or so.
So expect the show to start off slow again next year.
msquared
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Claire's dad is a Hero, if you go by the series premise that any one with powers is a Hero.
He is acting on both side of the fence for Hero/Villan on the show. He is the fourth side.
You have the good guys. You have the really bad guy. You have the cops. You have Claire's dad and whoever he is working for. It might be Linderman.
msquared
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: The "FBI chick" sets off my gaydar, but I think it's because that actress was a lesbian in a movie once...
"But I'm A Cheerleader"! Great movie.
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
Check out the online comic. It gives some interesting information about Syler's escape.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: The "FBI chick" sets off my gaydar, but I think it's because that actress was a lesbian in a movie once...
"But I'm A Cheerleader"! Great movie.
I can't really watch anything with Clea Duvall in it without thinking of that movie.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by beatnix19: Check out the online comic. It gives some interesting information about Syler's escape.
As in the fact that he didn't escape, you mean?
Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :
So, do you think Peter is the "bomb" that Hiro saw go off (and Isaac painted)?
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
It might be that Peter gets too close to the radiation guy but hasn't had the time/experience to learn to control it.
I don't think Sylar had control over the gun or the glass - he TKed Eden and pulled her through it, then she turned the gun on herself to stop him from having her power.
I really want to know about the dinosaur and the sword. Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
The word is villain, not villan. (Some of us still care!)
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
Ron
Spelling was never my strong point.
I also think Eden realized what she had done when she turned the gun on herself.
msquared
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
But if Claire's dad dampens powers, how could he have followed through on Eden's plan anyway?
How could he be with Eden enough to dampen Sylar's power and yet allow Eden to control him?
No no it was The Haitian who by standing near the interrogation room blocked the cop's mind reading power. The only other time that happened was when he saw the Haitian in the bar, as stated in the episode. Man the cop is the ONLY person I don't have a name for, I need to pay attention.
Additional evidence of this is in the 2nd episode I believe Claire's dad with the Haitian chased down Nathan and he was still able to fly away with Mr. Bennett in front of him.
edit: How was Sylar able to disregard Eden's commands the second time but not the first? Was it because he was weakened the first time? Or was it like the cop where Eden had to tell him a few times to go get donuts?
I was sad to see Eden die, I really liked her character by the yesterdays episode.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Sylar didn't disregard Eden's commands. She told him she was going to put the gun into the room with him, and that when she did, he was going to pick it up and blow his head off.
He didn't give her time to put the gun in the room. In fact, it may have been his desperation when he realized that he had exactly until she put the gun in the room with him to live that gave him the impetus to slam her through the window.
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
There still had to be some kind of dampening effect, or was Clair's dad just counting on physical strength of the cell to thwart Sylar? Neither he nor the Haitian remained present at all times.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Sylar didn't disregard Eden's commands. She told him she was going to put the gun into the room with him, and that when she did, he was going to pick it up and blow his head off.
He didn't give her time to put the gun in the room. In fact, it may have been his desperation when he realized that he had exactly until she put the gun in the room with him to live that gave him the impetus to slam her through the window.
Ohhh good point.
GS: Perhaps there was something about the room that dampens Sylar's power. I don't think there is enough evidence that Mr. Bennett dampens people's power.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
"How could he be with Eden enough to dampen Sylar's power and yet allow Eden to control him?"
He wasn't with her. He wasn't with her when Sylar was captured, and he wasn't with her when he sent her in to tell Isaac to take the drugs.
Although he was nearby when the guy flew, so that could screw that theory. Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
Peter first acted sick when the Bennetts showed up at the jail. Could his sickness be some Peterish version of Mr. Bennett's power, whatever it is?
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Chris: What I meant was if Eden had had her plan accepted by Mr. Bennett how would he have been able to suppress Sylar's power and still allow Eden to use her power if he just has some sort of dampening field?
Puppy: Perhaps Peter being in close proximity to Sylar is making him sick? He did have that nightmare where Sylar spoke to him.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Puppy: Peter first acted sick when the Bennetts showed up at the jail. Could his sickness be some Peterish version of Mr. Bennett's power, whatever it is?
Hmm... maybe they're opposites. Peter absorbs the powers of others without reducing their power, and Mr. Bennett damps powers. So Peter is trying to absorb the power of damping powers, including his own... that could cause a nastier feedback loop than the one he had with Parkman.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Chris: What I meant was if Eden had had her plan accepted by Mr. Bennett how would he have been able to suppress Sylar's power and still allow Eden to use her power if he just has some sort of dampening field?
The dampening could be (a) under volitional control, and/or (b) directional.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Chris: What I meant was if Eden had had her plan accepted by Mr. Bennett how would he have been able to suppress Sylar's power and still allow Eden to use her power if he just has some sort of dampening field?
The dampening could be (a) under volitional control, and/or (b) directional.
I've considered that possibility.
The whole Nathan incident is the only thing that really makes me question Mr. Bennett possibly having that power.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Possible they didn't know Nathan could fly? They looked pretty damned surprised when he Supermanned himself away from the situation.
If we assume that it is either Haitian or Bennett that has the ability to cancel out powers, and since the Haitian is ALWAYS there, I don't think you can by any means rule him out, then either way that's a plot hole, that Nathan escaped.
The difference is what Lisa pointed out, is his ability automatic, like a bubble that surrounds him (think ysalimiri and the Force from Star Wars)? Or is it something that he HAS to turn on and focus on someone, and how much control and concentration does that take?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
It is note worthy that Mr. Bennett has always left before the Haitian erased someone's memory and has never been with Eden when she has used her power.
I wonder what the connection is between Peter's dreams and his power. Bennett indicates that no one but Sylar has exhibited multiple powers. But Peter has both prescient dreams and is able to mimic others powers when he is in their presence. Are these somehow two different manifestations of one power or is he another exception?
Why hasn't Bennett had the Haitian erase Peter's memory? He has tried to erase everyone elses memory who knew about Claire, why not Peter? We saw the Haitian in the police office where Peter was being held but maybe erasing memories takes physical contact so it couldn't be done through the locked door. Or perhaps Peter's ability to assume other's powers makes it impossible or too dangerous for the Haitian to erase his memory.
Why didn't Bennett have the Haitian erase Sylar's memory of Claire?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I'm betting that Bennett works for Linderman.
I also quite confident that Eden shot herself in the head to keep Sylar from assuming her power. I think the expression in his face confirmed that.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I think the dreams are echoes of the powers. They are either telling him that he's absorbed them, or they are a latent form of the power itself. He dreamed of flying when he was around Nathan more than once. Now he's dreaming about New York, but that wasn't him actually seeing the future I don't think. Too strange that the city would be abandoned, especially since in Hiro's future, no one had any warning about the explosion, especially with the exception of all our known heroes who'd gathered there. And for that matter, that Claire would still be wearing that damned uniform even after having left the state of Texas.
I'm wondering if the range of his power is increasing, and he was picking up an echo of Isaac, seeing the future, but not as clearly as he had before, some sort of shadow that his mind mixed with a dream to make it less sure, and more subjective.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: I'm betting that Bennett works for Linderman.
I also quite confident that Eden shot herself in the head to keep Sylar from assuming her power. I think the expression in his face confirmed that.
Eh. Considering he's tried or threatened to make people do that to themselves before, I don't know. Besides, we really don't know how his power works. If he is making genetic alterations, as Bennett said, then doesn't he just need their DNA and not a fully intact brain? There's no proof that blowing her head off would protect her powers from him, unless Eden knows something we don't, which I'm not convinced she does.
And I'll be disappointed if he works for Linderman.
Posted by General Sax (Member # 9694) on :
Yes it was fear of what Sylar would do with her power that made her destroy her brain, incredible courage, and the frustration on Sylar's face! A superman who had something not go his way...
Peter is over and over described as an Empath, that could encompass everything we have seen, it could be that the links he forms remain as the source of his visions. If he is linked with Sylar then I think that accounts for his illness. I am surprised that Eden did not tell Sylar that he would no longer use his powers, or that the Haitian did not shell him out. I think a list of Sylar's victims powers would be helpful, is that part of the comic book doctrine?
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I believe in the last episode they say "4 of these people on the list are dead."
Perhaps Sylar got all of them perhaps not
But "Telekinesis", "Flight" "See How Things Work" "Super Strength" That would make 4.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Where do you get super strength and flight from?
Don't forget the guy who was frozen in that house in LA.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Considering he's tried or threatened to make people do that to themselves before, I don't know. Besides, we really don't know how his power works. If he is making genetic alterations, as Bennett said, then doesn't he just need their DNA and not a fully intact brain?
When he forced the cop to point the gun at her own head before, she wasn't someone whose power he wants. The look on his face when Eden shot herself was telling. Its quite clear this wasn't what he wanted. Since the super powers are the result of genetic mutations, it is only logical to assume that Sylar must alter his DNA to get the powers but we have no idea how he is able to do that. The only information we have is that he has taken the brains of every victim. In last weeks episode he said something about the powers being in their brains. All the evidence indicates that he needs the brains in order to get the powers even if it still isn't clear what he does with the brains. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, it makes no sense to assume he can get the powers without the brains.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Also, the net comic has Bennett saying that Eden was Hero because she sacrificed herself to prevent a horrible man from getting her power.
So, NYAH.
I don't think the comic suggested that Sylar was still in custody, because I was not sure that the guy in that frame was Sylar. He looked like a pin cushion, making hime more likely a victim of Sylar.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
It looked like they shot him full of tranq darts.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:In the absence of evidence to the contrary, it makes no sense to assume he can get the powers without the brains.
I can't get to the comic right now with my internet having issues, and I don't recall the look on Sylar's face, though I'll check that out later too.
I merely meant, that it shouldn't have been assumed that the brain had to be INTACT for him to get whatever secret he wanted out of it. I think we can all assume by now that he needs the brain to steal their powers, but this is the FIRST proof that we've seen that he needs the brain to be unharmed when he rips it from their skull. Charlie afterall had the aneurism, but we've yet to see him exhibit her power, or see if he suffered from the same problem after stealing it.
In absence of evidence to the contrary, it makes no sense to assume that the brains need to be in any certain condition before he can absorb their abilities, especially since we have zero evidence on exactly what the heck he does to get their powers.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Okay. That would be good. I guess I found it hard to tell on account of the total lack of resemblance some of teh comic characters have to their live action counterparts.
Posted by Nikisknight (Member # 8918) on :
quote: If we assume that it is either Haitian or Bennett that has the ability to cancel out powers, and since the Haitian is ALWAYS there, I don't think you can by any means rule him out, then either way that's a plot hole, that Nathan escaped.
Hi. A friend has recently gotten me into this show, I've seen the first 5 or so and last nights. I saw Nathan escaping as surprising too. Perhaps the Haitian can only erase mind powers, like the cop's, but not body one's like flight or Claire's regen? This was probably disproved in a recent episode--I need to catch up!
Posted by Nikisknight (Member # 8918) on :
Couple more comments, sorry: Comparing our "good" heroes with Sylar, I think only Peter and Hiro stand any chance against him, and only if Peter figures out how to use Sylar's powers against him quick.
And I really doubt Bennet is working for Linderman, (that's the mobster, right?) He doesn't seem like the type to go in with a mobster--what ever he's doing, it's because he believes in it.
Oh, and isn't it creepy when the Haitian says, "...and your mom, I erased her memory so many times."?
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
That kind of explains the weird dippy mother, doesn't it?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Spoiler for January . . . . . . . . This is the description of the next episode, not much there, but it's something:
quote:Some of the cliffhangers from the last episode are resolved. Claude, a new British hero, is introduced. Claude will offer a different view of the recent changes that have happened in the human evolutionary process and meet Peter Petrelli.
Posted by Nikisknight (Member # 8918) on :
Certainly, but you wonder if it was just from her stumbling upon his secrets or some kind of experimentation or something.
edit: P.S. Hiro and Claire are totally cribing from Lanik Mueller. Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
I don't know if I think Peter is the bomb guy yet. In one of his dreams, he thought he was seeing his brother, but then it turned into Sylar. In the second dream, people seemed to be running away from something that scared them but he didn't realize anything was wrong with him until right before it happened.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
I so want them to be able to save NYC... I also so want to see what Hiro does in that one second between what (could be what) happens in Peter's dream and the end of it all as we know it. Is that when he kicks himself 'too' far back??
This might be my favorite new show since when CSI first hit tv - before the everynightness of it all.
*sighs* Can't wait 'til January... : )
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
How about this: Sylar studies the brains then tweaks his own DNA.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
SPOILER!!!!!!
Alright, Claude, the new hero, is gonna have the power of invisibility AND he will be played by former Doctor (Doctor Who) Chris Eccleston!
"Claude, an invisible man played by British actor Christopher Eccleston (Doctor Who), appears January 22. “He’s been living with his invisibility for many years and has come to grips with it, so he’ll give us a different view into this hero world,” Tim Kring explains. “He’s big, imposing and charismatic, and will become a mentor to Peter - albeit a tough, reluctant and stern one. He’ll help Peter learn to use and control his powers.”"
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Chris Eccleston?!? Holy frack, just when I thought the show couldn't get any better. Does anyone else feel like this show is actually being handled really, REALLY well? I mean, I thought they wouldn't be able to top Takei being Hiro's father. I was wrong.
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
*sad about Eden*
I can't believe she gave him such an obvious chance to kill her. And I liked Eden. And her power was excellent. And poor Peter.
These well-thought-out and articulate comments brought to you by: two 3000-word essays and one 1500-word research proposal that are due next Wednesday.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fyfe: These well-thought-out and articulate comments brought to you by: two 3000-word essays and one 1500-word research proposal that are due next Wednesday.
There is nothing like a looming deadline to increase ones hatrack productivity.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Where do you get super strength and flight from?
Don't forget the guy who was frozen in that house in LA.
Did you see what he did to Claire's face when he threw her against the wall? As stated MANY times, Sylar flew away to escape the cops, while almost making one of them shoot herself.
I completely forgot about the frozen dad. Not to mention the mom hoisted up and pegged to the staircase by a good dozen knives, and the cops said, "It would take 3 men to do this to that woman."
Posted by EKR (Member # 9545) on :
I believe Sylar did all those things (throwing Claire, hoisting the mom up with knives, etc.) telekinetically, involving no physical strain whatsoever.
[ December 06, 2006, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: EKR ]
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Telekinetically, I think you mean.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Ok well if he can do that why did he even allow Claire to try and run away? Thrill of the chase?
Why did he run from the cops instead of simply taking their guns away?
How did he get from that plaza to the top of the stairs so quickly just prior to falling with Peter? He wasn't in any hurry when he got to the plaza.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
quote:Originally posted by EKR: I believe Sylar did all those things (throwing Claire, hoisting the mom up with knives, etc.) telepathically, involving no physical strain whatsoever.
That's so lame. He did not do them all telekinetically (I spelled that so wrong, even spell check is baffled). If telekinesis is that powerful, then there'd be no fun in any of the other powers. Telekinesis has to be limited. And he obviously has super strength, as he shattered the glass in this past episode with his fist, not his mind. And I still think he can fly, as evidenced by him escaping the police. It looked exactly like Nathan flying.
And also, in this last episode, he wasn't afraid of the gun. We've seen him get shot before and not be ill affected. It seems like he already has Claire's power. I confess, I don't understand that. Maybe ... he can "fix" his physical body? But can't if his brain is gone ... so why wasn't he afraid of the gun being pointed at his head? Didn't he say something about the gun not being able to hurt him? I'll have to rewatch this last episode and the one where he escaped from Matt (mind-reader) when I get home.
Edit: I spelled telekinetically the same was as Lisa and it says I'm wrong. harrumph.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I think much of it, if not all of it is telekinesis. Certainly I think he could have thrown a women up against a wall and used those knives to keep her in place. Flight is possible, but I don't think so yet. He jumped, we don't know how high yet, and telekinesis could have been used to enhance his agility in the same way Wolverine could probably have jumped the same height.
We need to know more of his backstory.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
Maybe he stole an "I can't get hurt by guns" power?
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
This week's Ask Ausiello has a ton of spoilers for Heroes.
Posted by EKR (Member # 9545) on :
In Episode 2, Matt's FBI counterpart tells about Sylar's killings, "...all people impaled by household objects, bones broken. All without any traceable(sp?) sign of physical contact." Which led me to believe his lack of super physical strength. At least at that time.
I think it was Eden's head that broke the glass, not his fist.
Referring back to Episode 2.... Where does Sylar look like he's using Nathan's flying stance? From what I can tell, he awkwardly "floats" himself to his feet. The sound of bullets falling to the floor. Matt turning his head, then Sylar is just... gone.
As far as getting shot... perhaps he's acquired some sort bullet proof mutation? Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by blacwolve: This week's Ask Ausiello has a ton of spoilers for Heroes.
Where? All I found were a claim that "we're going to learn something about Claire" and "Eden's really dead". There was also some spin about how one of the "couples" in the show is fighting in real life (hardly a show spoiler).
That's hardly what I'd call any spoilers at all and certainly not a "ton".
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Have they ever shown Isaac's painting of the man exploding. It ought to be pretty obvious whether its Peter or Todd(?)(radioactive man).
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
They showed it. He was all red. You can't tell which one it is.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote:Originally posted by blacwolve: This week's Ask Ausiello has a ton of spoilers for Heroes.
Where? All I found were a claim that "we're going to learn something about Claire" and "Eden's really dead". There was also some spin about how one of the "couples" in the show is fighting in real life (hardly a show spoiler).
That's hardly what I'd call any spoilers at all and certainly not a "ton".
Um, sorry? I'll try to avoid, you know, living in the future.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I'm sorry if I insulted you blacwolve. There is no harm in living in the future. I just went to Ask Ausiello expecting a "ton of spoilers" and was disappointed to find so little.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Ted, btw. Not Todd.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: And I'll be disappointed if he works for Linderman.
Linderman's name has come up too much to be a simple coincidence. He must be connected to the Heroes in some very important way that has not yet been revealed. A connection to Bennett is the most obvious choice but obvious doesn't mean correct.
It would however kill two big questions with one stone. Bennett's operation is clearly bankrolled by someone or some group. If its not Linderman, then its unlikely we've heard anything about them so far.
Whether through Bennett or someone else, I'm betting Linderman is going to play an important role in this shows future.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I can't imagine they would have mentioned his name so much if he didn't have his fingers involved in this some way. He's in with Nathan Petrelli, Niki Saunders, and Isaac, when Linderman bought his painting, which leads me to believe he knows all about the painting's properties.
I still think it is POSSIBLE that Bennett has some government group. Still remember what he said about "I don't work for any organization with an acronym" or whatever he said. He never said he didn't work for the government, it could be a government black op. And I'll be happer if it is.
Thing is, we have a pretty good idea on what Bennett's intentions are. We have no idea what Linderman's intentions are, and the Haitian is now an unknown quantity. There's enough to deal with, without it being bankrolled by Linderman. I either want it to be the government, in some way, shape or form, or someone new. What I'd REALLY like, is for the bankroller to be some superrich Hero (sort of like a Warren Worthington III + Professor X). We have our idealists, we have our petty thugs (Linderman), we're only missing the Government, and the richy rich fourth party with a hidden agenda.
I'm on the "No Linderman" bandwagon.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Thing is, we have a pretty good idea on what Bennett's intentions are.
Do we? I certainly don't. I have a pretty good idea what Bennett is doing but haven't seen any clue as to why. If you think you have a good idea about Bennett's intentions, what do you think they are?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Primarily? Protecting his daughter, and his family, and himself. Best way to do that is to recruit people to his side, and find all the others, study them, find out their weaknesses, and exploit them. Beyond that, I don't know the intentions of the organization at large, or the intentions of his subordinates, but I think we can start to guess at why he is doing what he is doing, especially if we find his he powers of his own.
Something just popped into my head. Is it possible that Bennett can only block the abilities of those who he has studied? Even so the ability isn't foolproof. Both times now that Matt Parkman has tried to read his mind he has cracked it, getting one word each time, "Claire" and "Sylar." The other time he was trying to read Claire's mind.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Something just popped into my head. Is it possible that Bennett can only block the abilities of those who he has studied? Even so the ability isn't foolproof. Both times now that Matt Parkman has tried to read his mind he has cracked it, getting one word each time, "Claire" and "Sylar." The other time he was trying to read Claire's mind.
Ya know, that's an interesting idea. I like it. That means its a directed thing on his part. Though that wouldn't explain why he was able to block the cop without knowing the cop was there.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
but ya, hasnt anyone her eshocked at the fact that Zack lost all of his recent memories? Claire has in essence lost her only true friend.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Not really shocked no, the Haitian zapped him and her brother Lyle, and apparently her mother. Were he to zap Claire too, she never would have known that her and Zach were ever friends at all.
It is a bit tragic though to have her only real friend, one she really connected with, be taken away from her that abruptly.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Primarily? Protecting his daughter, and his family, and himself. Best way to do that is to recruit people to his side, and find all the others, study them, find out their weaknesses, and exploit them.
Thing is, he was collecting these people before he adopted Claire, wasn't he? I got the impression that baby Claire was orphaned because of Bennett's group (though it was not intentional, I think).
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote:I got the impression that baby Claire was orphaned because of Bennett's group (though it was not intentional, I think).
I agree that he made that pretty clear during that one chat he had with Isaac, trying to impress upon him why it was so important that he be able to paint, so he could save Claire. He did talk like his group was responsible for the death of her parents, unintentionally.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Am I the only one wondering where (or who) Peter's apparently clairvoyant vision came from? And obvious candidates?
In the really wild conjecture category, I just thought out a scenario for his vision that really could result in him saving NY and everyone around him.
According to the vision, he's surrounded by lots of the main characters. Claire, Hiro, DL and Nathan are all nearby.
If this scenario really does play out, could Peter time-travel using Hiro's ability? Like maybe back to June 30, 1908? That's the date of a major explosion in Siberia - and the nature of the blast is still being debated.
Using Nathan's power's he could come in on an aerial trajectory. Using some combination of Claire and DL's powers he might even survive.
Yeah, it's wild and probably won't be the way it goes - but just in case I wanted to go on record as having wildly speculated on it. **
**This paragraph will be edited to read "predicted" in place of "wildly speculated" in the event I am even remotely correct in this.**
Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
interesting postulation sndrake, would be crazy if that's where they go with it Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
That would be cool.
What I'm wondering is, why is he sick? He only has other people's powers for a short time after he is exposed to them, right? so his exposure to Sylar or Bennett or the Hatian shouldn't be what makes him sick, should it?
Or maybe I'm just waaaay over-thinking it.
On an unrelated note: I would have Masi Oka's babies.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Am I the only one wondering where (or who) Peter's apparently clairvoyant vision came from?
Wasn't this his third or forth vision? He saw a Nathan's accident in dream. He saw a vision of his Hospice patient and then him flying. I'm not sure if the dream where he sees Sylar in his jail cell counts as a vision or not.
quote:I agree that he made that pretty clear during that one chat he had with Isaac, trying to impress upon him why it was so important that he be able to paint, so he could save Claire. He did talk like his group was responsible for the death of her parents, unintentionally.
Bennett clearly wants to protect his daughter. But there is plenty of evidence that this isn't the only or even primary thing that motivates him. If we believe what he told Isaac, then he was collecting mutants before he adopted Claire. He was also opposed to killing Sylar even though this would have protected Claire. So I think we know his motivation as a father but still have no idea what the aims and motivations are of his organization.
Posted by EKR (Member # 9545) on :
I was thinking... but there are so many errors in this thought... What if Bennett has a power? That power is making Peter sick and just so happened to linger in Peter's system. Perhaps the power to make others sick? And... perhaps Bennett needs a daily dose of Haitan to suppress his power throughout the day so he doesn't get his family sick.
Yeah... Back to my hole.
~Earl
Posted by dean (Member # 167) on :
I always thought that Peter's dreams (about flying, the car crash, etc) were because of his close connection with his brother. Like a twin thing, although they're not twins. But what if he only thinks he has to be near them to use their power? What if he he can learn to use their powers when they aren't around by forming an emotional connection (or something similar) and by learning how to use his powers better? Up until now, he's only used his powers in a passive way. Perhaps as he forms more relationships with other Heroes, he'll be able to use their powers whether they're around or not so long as he continues to have strong feelings about them. And perhaps he got that vision because he has an emotional connection to Isaac since Isaac is the one he's spent most time around and gotten to know the best. And wasn't Isaac trying to draw at that very time?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
is there an episode today?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Sadly No. No new episodes until mid January, Jan. 22, If I remember correctly.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Alright, so I just went back and watched some of the pertinent scenes ...
The whole thing I said about Sylar jumping and looking like when Nathan flew never happened. He didn't bend his knees or whatever (Sylar that is). But, he did definitely either fly or jump really really high. The camera sees him on the ground, then shows the cop, then cuts back to the spot where he was and shows nothing. Then it shows the sky. I take that as implying that since he got out in the open, he was free to escape by flight. Also in that scene, he got shot and lived. I know it's been mentioned before, but why did he want Claire's power if he already has it? Does he just want to eliminate the competition? Also, how the heck did he freeze that guy? I wonder if that's something the writers or whoever just kind of threw in there without really seeing the ramifications.
Hiros power: When he first demonstrated his power to Ando, saving the girl about to get hit by the truck, the girl wouldn't have been about to get hit by the truck if Ando hadn't tried to stop it. So I'm guessing they actually are placing pretty strict limits as to the actual practicality of his power. Though the whole stopping time is pretty darn useful.
And the Haitian/Mr. Bennet. My prediction is that the Haitian simply has mind wiping/blocking powers. Matt's power didn't effect him because he could block his mind, or wipe it, or something like that. He can't block everyones power. I think that right belongs to Mr. Bennet. Has anyone used a power around him? It makes sense that he is the one heading up and in direct contact with all these people since they are helpless around him. I think the Haitian is mostly a front man.
And finally, as I was watching Isaac in the scene when Simone comes in after he painted the bomb picture (I believe in the 3rd episode or so), it looks like he has two tick marks on him, around where his collarbone is. It wouldn't make much sense for him to have been tagged by Bennet already, since it didn't seem like it later when Eden was told to bring him in or whatever, but just a little tidbit I noticed.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Dr S: Nathan took off and flew away with Mr. Bennet and The Haitian standing not 5 feet from him right after Mr. Bennet said to The Haitian, "Get him." Unless Mr. Bennet was allowing him to leave, and I think his attitude demonstrated the opposite I am not sure he can dampen anybodies power.
Posted by EKR (Member # 9545) on :
Dr Strangelove... If you listen closely, you can hear the bullets fired into Sylar falling to the ground. Perhaps Sylar has a power similar to Magneto? When Eden pulled the gun on him he told her it wouldn't hurt him. Maybe it has something to do with metal?
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
BlackBlade: Crap, you're right about Nathan. I forgot about him. Oh well.
EKR: Yeah, I heard to bullets clinking. I figured it was something along the lines of ejecting the bullets from his body, since I presume they wouldn't just be healed over. I considered the Magneto angle but rejected it because it would seem way to much like X-Men (villain with magnetic powers). So far they've been trying to stay at least a little original, or as original as possible in this genre. And also, they haven't even hinted that that could be a power, and I think if someone was going to have a rather important power like that they would have at least left some clues somewhere.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
There was an interview in ET and an article where the creator of the show said something to one of the writers, like, "I want there to be a hero who has power over metals and magnetic fields[ or something]" and the writer laughed and said "Like Magneto from X men."
The guy whose brain child this is doesn't do comics
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Sorry if this has been mentioned before - but I was talking with a friend tonight about how excited we are that next Monday we know where we'll be... I digress...
Is Simone (sp?) going to wind up bad and playing a bigger part in all of this?
He (my friend) said something about a painting in Issac's place (that disappeared and hasn't been seen since) before she went on her 'we've got to get rid of these' kick.
I wonder if she really could wind up being 'bad'. Issac's habit was kicked once she was out of the picture - was the talent (and maybe subsequent pictues/future) skewed by the drug?
(sorry if this sounds really dumb. i'm pretty tired, have no clue why i'm up let alone posting, still figured i'd get that out after the convo...)
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Side note:
The men's room at my work comes furnished with various reading material for those long times when one is disposed to sit and think.
One of those magazines is "Stuff". "Stuff" is a Men's Magazine with bits of fluff news and lots of Stuff real men with deep pockets, would get to play with.
They had a semi-interview with the actor who plays Hiro. They discovered that he is a WoW player, one time guild leader, and active to this day.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote: They had a semi-interview with the actor who plays Hiro. They discovered that he is a WoW player, one time guild leader, and active to this day.
Somehow, every time I hear this guy mentioned, he becomes more awesome in my book.
I hope he plays on my server!
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Masi Oka is the poo. I urge women everywhere to have his babies.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
"Masi Oka is the poo."
I stared at this for the longest time wondering why you hated Masi Oka.
And yeah, I do love this guy. I mean... works on special effects, plays a time manipulating hero, and plays WoW. Things like that usually lead me to ponder what the persons DVD collection is like.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Good episode, new questions, new answers. Everything is pushed even more towards Linderman and Nevada. I think we're going to have a showdown there pretty soon. I liked the progress made this episode, and how the heroes are slowly drawing together again, and how they are being pushed towards Vegas.
And I wonder why the Haitian is defying Mr. Bennett and is helping Claire.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
I think I'm on the list...
One thing about this show, they don't make you wait for stuff to happen.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I love this show! It does seem like the Haitian has some inside knowledge or something. He's the perfect new (well talking now) addition to show! He's like Mr. Eko! My family was speculating that maybe Claires mom is Matt's wife, it's a longshot but who knows? (this was libertygirl...Strangelove is at FSU how the heck is he logged in here?)
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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
How does that make any sense?
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
If you haven't already - it looks like Heroes has taken a page from the Lost marketing experience. Primatech Paper has a website and you can call the TF shown on the business card.
**Semi-Spoiler - - - - - - - Enter extension 360 into the IVR for 1-800-PRIMA16, it'll give the website address for the paper company with some instructions. I'm not sure what'll come of it - but it looks like fun, at the least.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
How the heck is Linderman getting all the information regarding anything remotely connected to the Hero Genome?
Isaac's paintings. Nate's political career. Niki's debt. Hiro's Sword. Now gets a favor from DL.
How?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Linderman has a power. I don't know what it is, but he's got inside scoop. Who knows? Maybe Hiro was talking to him 20 years ago and let this stuff slip. There's just something about him that makes me think of Biff and the sports almanac from Back to the Future II.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
I was out-voted last night and we watched 24, with the promise that I could download the new Heroes Episode today.
I cannot find a download. Waaaaaaaaah! Dang you, Jack Bauer! Dang you to heck!
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Olivet, try tvtorrents dot com.
Posted by Geraine (Member # 9913) on :
My hunch is that the asian lady that was talking to Niki in the Las Vegas episodes is actually Linderman, and everyone thinks that she is just one of his employees.
OR......Here is a thought....What if Mr. Bennette (Claires' Dad, or HRG) works for Linderman?
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Thanks, Lisa!
Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
I think there's a limit to how literally we can take Peter's vision, partially because if the invisible dude is present in the vision, the other characters shouldn't be able to see him Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
There's a limit to how literally we can take ANYTHING. Take the T-Rex for example. We all saw that and immediately assumed that Hiro would accidentally teleport himself back to pre-history, when what really happened was his posing with the T-Rex model at the museum.
My (probably not very relevant) question is: did he pose like that for fun? Or did he perhaps pose like that to fulfill the pre-cognitive picture that Isaac painted?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Geraine: Here is a thought....What if Mr. Bennette (Claires' Dad, or HRG) works for Linderman?
I (and probably several others) have suggested that before. I think that this is looking and more and more likely.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
I don't quite know about the Bennette-Linderman connection. If there was one, why was Linderman looking for Nathan that morning with Jessica/Niki. Then again, how did Mr. Bennette find Nathan there to begin with?
Perhaps Linderman was playing for misdirection? Seems unlikely, but incredibly brilliant if the writers had the forethought to plan that.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
I wish Eve was still alive! We need more good heroes not sinister ones!
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Woah ... those videos are awesome. (This actually is Dr Strangelove. Don't know how my s/n gets signed on at home). I download the episodes, so I never see the previews for next week, but I'm glad you guys linked those. All veeerrryyyy interesting.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Hana isn't evil. She's working for Claire's father, who told her that he's CIA (though that's apparently a lie). She's actually after him now.
The last four issues of the online comic tell Hana's story. For those of you who've read it, the terrorist attack that happens at the beginning of the story really happened. I was on the same bus, leaving at the same time, just the day before. Had I gone one day later, I would have died in that attack.
Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :
I REALLY hope they have a cogent explanation for all the links (especially the weird half-DNA symbol)... please, let's not do an X-Files here...
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
When Niki broke the nightstick last night, was it her doing that, or Jessica? If it was Jessica, she must have come out for a second or less, broke it, and left, because the look on Niki's face was of total shock. I got the feeling that some of Jessica's superstrength is leaking through to Niki now.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: Hey look... a new... Heroin... villian.... um... lady with the hero genome that is evil.
I wish Eve was still alive! We need more good heroes not sinister ones!
She isn't sinister. Just very, very angry.
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: When Niki broke the nightstick last night, was it her doing that, or Jessica? If it was Jessica, she must have come out for a second or less, broke it, and left, because the look on Niki's face was of total shock. I got the feeling that some of Jessica's superstrength is leaking through to Niki now.
I noticed that too. I'm thinking it might be the beginning of Niki taking control of Jessica and harnessing those abilities without letting our crazy alter-ego out. And she better learn to do it quick because she is in big trouble.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
You could be right Lisa. Remember just before she did that she said to Micah, "I need you to be the strong one, because I'm not." and he responded with "Thats not fair."
She then insisted she be allowed to hold her son, and then the night stick schtick happened.
I liked that "weak/strong" reversal by the way.
Also I've never seen a nightstick snap, so thats a Heroes first for me
I was confused about the fire/radioactive man. His old room was completely torched, why wasn't the shack catching fire as he practiced his powers? I thought he was constantly emanating huge amounts of radiation.
Also did anybody else think it was a bit odd that in such a dump he had a nice expensive laptop?
I suppose perhaps he has more control over his power now, whereas before he was leaking it all the time.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: Hey look... a new... Heroin... villian.... um... lady with the hero genome that is evil.
Check out the online comic at nbc.com. There is a whole series up giving the back story of this new character.
It also seems clear that many of the heroes who were once working with/for Bennet are in rebellion. Eve was about to leave after she did in Sylar. The Haitian is clearly in at least partial rebellion. Hana (i.e. new girl) has rebelled.
Then you add to that the Heroes he's captured but who've never worked for him who are starting to figure things out and get angry at him.
Things are starting to fall apart in Mr. Bennett's world.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
quote: There's a limit to how literally we can take ANYTHING. Take the T-Rex for example. We all saw that and immediately assumed that Hiro would accidentally teleport himself back to pre-history, when what really happened was his posing with the T-Rex model at the museum.
My (probably not very relevant) question is: did he pose like that for fun? Or did he perhaps pose like that to fulfill the pre-cognitive picture that Isaac painted?
I thought of this too, but in the painting, the blade was out. So yeah, we do get to see him teleport to prehistoric time.
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
Perhaps it's not sufficient for everyone, but the weird half-DNA symbol was in a way explained in this last episode. When Hiro and his pal found the "sword"
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
BTW, her name was Eden not Eve.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I wish Eve was still alive! We need more good heroes not sinister ones!
You're so funny. Weren't you the one calling her Eve last time, too?
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Awesome point gnixing.
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
Why didn't Sylar escape?
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
No Lisa
That was me.
msquared
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Frisco, in the online comic it looked like they shot him full of tranquillizers or something.
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
Seems like they should've made something like that clear to the millions of people who probably haven't read the online comics.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I wish Eve was still alive! We need more good heroes not sinister ones!
You're so funny. Weren't you the one calling her Eve last time, too?
No that was somebody else, though I distinctly remember you correcting that person too.
I think I actually thought about the incident when I wrote out the name and somehow it came out Eve instead of Eden. I don't know what I was thinking, does that even make any sense?
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Frisco, I totally agree. I expected something to be said about it, but *shrug*
I had to find out by reading this thread. O_O
Posted by Damien.m (Member # 8462) on :
Mild spoiler here from Ausiello@TVGuide:
quote:Question: How much longer is the character of Zach going to be on Heroes? When he was mind-wiped and forgot his friendship with Claire, it seemed like a natural opportunity for producers to resolve his story line and rid themselves of a problem actor. So I was disappointed when I tuned in to the Jan. 22 episode and saw actor Isaiah Wash — oops, I mean Thomas Dekker — still under their employ. Is Zach going to officially "come out" as straight on the show, or will his orientation remain a mystery until he leaves for his sure-to-be-canceled Terminator series on Fox?— John
Ausiello: Get this: Monday's episode was Dekker's — and Zach's — last. And let's not be so quick to blame Dekker. As I was recently made aware, his manager was one of several forces conspiring to "straighten up" Zach (one of which is very high up).
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Any comments from folks on last night's episode?
Not much happened to move the plot along, I guess, but still, seems remarkably quiet here.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I quit watching
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
II hope you don't mind me jumping in here without reading the pages upon pages of past posts.
I've been watching Heroes all along. I have to admit, It has come close to losing me a few times. It has always managed to keep me just interested enough to give it another chance, but at least part of that has to be the wish-fulfillment element of the whole premise.
And I'll watch again next week, but the story moves along soooo slowly and, IMHO, there are just too many characters. I like Hiro and Peter and the Cheerleader. I'm okay with the cop. But they could totally lose Niki/Jessica and her family and I wouldn't miss it. I'm not that interested in the Indian doctor either, come to think of it.
I keep hoping that the characters will gather together soon so that the plot is not so split.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
It made it difficult for me when Heroes ran against 24. I couldn't bear to miss either one. Thank goodness for my VCR!
I do not like the way it has developed that Hiro thinks he has to find the sword before he can exercise his powers any more. I wonder what the significance will be of having George Takei for his dad. Good ol' Sulu sure looked fierce and disapproving!
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
If you think Heroes moves slow, you must HATE LOST. I don't plan to watch LOST when it comes back on, but Heroes is awesome and fulfilling in comparison. Every week we get some questions answered, and next week looks like no exception.
The question now is: Who is Claire's father? And how awesome is it that her mother has pyrokinesis? I like that we're seeing some new characters crop up, and I too would be perfectly satisfied to see the Niki plotline die a quick and humane death, but it's worth it for the lines I like.
The design on Hiro's sword is no longer believed to be an RNA symbol, but rather a Japanese character that means "special" or something like that. And I don't like the idea of his ability needing to be linked to the sword either, but I think the whole thing is in his head.
I like Peter's new journey to be able to control his power, and that Nathan and Mohinder have teamed up.
I watch 24 too, but never during the regular season. I can't stand waiting from week to week.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
For Claire's father -- my money is on Nathan Petrelli. No one else seems to make sense.
I haven't seen Lost. Some people have recommended it but I've been avoiding starting too many new shows. I'll keep in mind that it moves slowly. I was tempted, though, because Mira Furlan is supposedly a recurring character and I loved her in Babylon 5.
As for Heroes, it is getting better. I think the critical moment when they almost lost me was within the first 5 episodes. At least now I know the characters a little better. At first, not only was it moving slowly but they started out with half a dozen characters, none of which i knew. Once I got past that, I would agree that each week they explore new ground and leave us with new hanging questions.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
just me or did they heavily imply that Hiro's dad was Linderman?
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Nope, not just you!
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Um...wouldn't Nathan have been like 12 when that happened? Claire is 17 years old, so that means she was born in 1989, probably, unless her birthday is in the first couple weeks of January (assuming the show takes place concurrently with our timeline).
How old does that make Nathan at the time? I don't get the impression that his age difference is THAT pronounced from Peter's, or from Claire's.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: just me or did they heavily imply that Hiro's dad was Linderman?
There was no suggestion that the guys who kidnapped Hiro and Ando work for Linderman.
I actually like Jessica/Niki plotline, and I like that the show is showing that Micah is not perfect and does need discipline, he can be childish as all children are quick to be
All I could think when the episode ended was, "oh geez, Claire's step dad is in BIG trouble."
How could Sylar possibly mimic death? I mean I assume part of the doctors procedure if his heart stopped would be to use a defibrillator. Could Sylar really just stoically take all those volts and keep up the facade? Or did he actually lower all his bodily functions to levels where they would register as dead and then bring himself back? I guess the show might explain it, but still, we have no knowledge of him obtaining powers that would grant him those abilities.
I wonder how long they can keep up this introduction of people with power, will we be able to keep up with it all, or will they have to start killing off people mercilessly?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: just me or did they heavily imply that Hiro's dad was Linderman?
Depends on what you knew beforehand. Without reading spoilers I don't know how you could have known that they were going to meet Hiro's father, at which point you should have found out that it was George Takei.
But if you mean it was heavily implied that the BOSS was Linderman, then yes, I think they did.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I thought Nathan was in his mid-thirties. Also, Claire is 15.5...they were very specific about that in the last episode. I figured it happened when he was about 20 and now he's 35 or so. Do you have some reason to believe that he's in his twenties?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I thought she was 16 actually, but Wikipedia said she was 17. I have no reason to believe he's any particular age, except that he's older than 25 or else he wouldn't be running for the House.
But I've never seen his age specifically named. If he was 30, that means he fathered Claire when he was 14 or so.
Depends entirely on how old he is, and what the hell he was doing in Kermit TX, or what small town Texas woman was doing in NY.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I thought she clearly said she was 16 as well.
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
I remember reading an article a while back that said that all superheroes are 29 unless otherwise noted. (Not for this show in particular, this was just a general comic rule.)
[ January 30, 2007, 05:01 PM: Message edited by: Irami Osei-Frimpong ]
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Farmgirl: I quit watching
Can I ask why?
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I can't pinpoint it really, Lisa.
I watched up until the FINAL episode of last season, and then just kinda lost heart for it.
I was actually home, and with the TV, and thought "Heroes is on!" and then thought "do I really want to see it?" and the answer was no. So I just didn't turn the TV on.
And it's the kind of show that if you miss one or two, it is hard to figure out what is going on. I could look at the episodes here online even, but just lost my desire to know what happens to those characters.
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
The actress who plays the cheerleader is 17 but the character is 16, I think.
I would put Nathan in his early 30's and Peter in his late 20's. I don't think Nathan is Claire's dad.
I think we were supposed to think that Hiro and Ando were going to meet Linderman, but that it tunred out to be Hiro's dad. I would be very surprised if Hiro's dad was Linderman.
When does Wireless show up?
msquared
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine: I haven't seen Lost. Some people have recommended it but I've been avoiding starting too many new shows. I'll keep in mind that it moves slowly. I was tempted, though, because Mira Furlan is supposedly a recurring character and I loved her in Babylon 5.
Lost is awesome if you watch it by the season. I just started it in November, and I don't have the complaints that people do who were watching it all along. Now that I'm caught up and get to see only one episode a week, I may have more issues with it.
As for Heroes, I really enjoyed this week. The plot is moving as quickly as could be expected for the number of characters, and it doesn't yet feel to me like there are too many characters. Although I could really do with a lot less Mohinder. He's such a stereotypical scientist character.
--Mel
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Okay - WHO deleted a post and made mine jump to TOPP?
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Yeah, I thought Claire was 16 too until yesterday. That's why I remember it so clearly, because it surprised the heck out of me when they said she was 15.5. Anyway, at the moment Wikipedia says 15...but I'd prefer to use my memory as the source since apparently it said something else a few minutes ago!
As for Nathan, I said I thought he was in his mid-thirties. I was thinking 35. Certainly, his life experiences could easily put him at that age...he's been to college, law school, served in the military, and spent a number of years working for the DA. We also know that he is married and has two children. I have trouble imaging a man like that marrying and starting a family before he finished college, military, and law school. His oldest child looked to me to be about 6.
All we know about Peter is that he is younger, not how much younger. Nathan always impressed me as looking and acting much older than Peter.
Aside from age (which, granted, if it turns out Nathan is 30 then the rest of this isn't going to matter) here are the reasons I thought of Nathan:
1. He would want to hide an illegitimate child. 2. Claire is in New York in Peter's visions. 3. The teaser at the end implied that somehow we would know Claire's father. 4. Claire's father can't be any of the black or ethnic characters. (ruling our the Japanese characters, Mohinder, Niki's husband (can't remember his name), and the LA cop)
Given the premise that we somehow know Claire's father, the only other options I could even see are:
1. Nathan and Peter's father. 2. Claire's adoptive father could be her real father. 3. The invisible guy.
Isaac is probably too young.
Anyway, I think I've analyzed this enough! We'll see next week.
[ January 30, 2007, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: Christine ]
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
theCrowsWife: I've found a lot of series are better when I order them in bulk from Netflix. I'm not a patient person and it's much easier for me to watch 4 at a time!
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
I just watched last night's episode. It felt soap-operaish. Short scenes. A lot of lamenting, and nobody said anything worth listening to. These people aren't noble enough for me to suffer their kvetching. I think that D.L. is a bad actor, and the only storyline that I think is being handled well, pacing-wise, is Peter and the teacher. Everything else feels drawn out.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
"3. The teaser at the end implied that somehow we would know Claire's father."
They implied that with her mother as well.
And besides... Claires biological father is Mr. Bennett. He had an affair with the woman he was studying (Claire's mom) who while he was studying her, her powers got out of control and set fire to the building.
Her mom thought Claire had died, and Mr. Bennett let her believe that as a way of getting her out of his life, but discovered that she in fact did live. He covered up the accident for secrecy reasons as well as to put her into a different life as well.
Freeze at 26 seconds on the hand. View the ring and the watch. Does anyone recognize them?
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I'm afraid I'm no good at visual details like that. But you could be right...well, obviously since that was on my list of alternative theories! Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Well, its certainly not the Haitian or DL. It is someone who is married, and from my interpretation of watch/ring, has a good deal of money. Oh, and owns a pink shirt.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Well there's a wedding ring. Which to me either suggests Nathan, Matt Parkman, or Mr. Bennet. Seeing as how it's already in Texas, that suggests to me it's actually been Mr. Bennet the whole time.
Posted by Seatarsprayan (Member # 7634) on :
I think Mr. Bennet has the power to suppress other powers and is actually Claire's biological father after all.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Well there's a wedding ring. Which to me either suggests Nathan, Matt Parkman, or Mr. Bennet. Seeing as how it's already in Texas, that suggests to me it's actually been Mr. Bennet the whole time.
Its definitely no Matt, the build and dress don't match. Plus, he wears a watch with a black band.
If its someone we already know, my money is on Nathan.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
It's not Matt. For one thing, I think he is in his 20's. For another, he just doesn't look like he could have fathered a blond haired blue eyed daughter.
I had Mr. Bennett in the back of my mind and I have to admit, I am now thinking he may be more probable than Nathan. But in my mind, it has got to be one or the other.
Posted by Geraine (Member # 9913) on :
Freeze at 26 seconds on the hand. View the ring and the watch. Does anyone recognize them?
I did the same thing last night, and since I have all the episodes on my computer, (NBC has them available on their website) I loaded up Episode 1 to take a good look at Nathan.
Nathan did not have ANY wedding ring on, but had the exact same watch as the one shown in the Episode 14 preview. In a later episode I saw the exact same ring on him but no watch.
So while not exactly 100% sure on Nathan, I would say he is a good bet.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Nathan's penchant for extramarital affairs has already been setup as he shacked up with Jessica previously, (not to mention he was quite non nonchalant about it, indicating he was not new to it.)
It would not be surprising to find out he had illegitimate children, but I am surprised he would run for public office if that were the case. Then again perhaps he believed the report that said they both died in a fire.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Yeah, but they also made a special point to say that Nathan only cheated on his wife because she's paraplegic, and he isn't getting the good loving lately (which is a fairly recent occurence). Their children are also pretty young, which means if Nathan IS the father, it's a good bet that it happened before he was even married to his current wife.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Seatarsprayan: I think Mr. Bennet has the power to suppress other powers and is actually Claire's biological father after all.
And I think we're going to find out that he can supress powers in the next episode. Because the Haitian isn't there, and I bet Sylar won't be able to do a thing.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
It's funny... they did say that Claire and Peter are definitely not siblings. But they never said that Peter couldn't be Claire's uncle.
Now I'm torn between Nathan and HRG as well.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I thought it was a good episode. Not really anything too special, but good. There were a few moments where I went "Oho!" like with Claire's mom being a pyro. That was pretty sweet.
I have to admit, when Peter disappeared in his apartment, I thought he'd flown. Shows what I know.
Has the invisible guy given Peter any reason to believe that he's a "teacher"? I mean, in his dream, the guy is laughing while Peter blows up. The guy just seems very shady, and Peter is doing his whole crazy 'I wanna know about my powers no matter what the cost!' type deal again. Oh well.
I do hope the show speeds up a bit. I'd like just a tad more resolution and less buildup. I'd like to see them actually be heroic every once in a while. But that's just me.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Compared to the pace of LOST, I feel like it's flying along.
And from the preview for next week, it certainly didn't look like Mr. Bennet was doing a whole lot to stop him, but it'll be nice to have that tidbit settled next week.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I've suspected for a while that Claire's adoptive father is her real one.
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
Eden = Sarah Ellis from L.A. = Me. weird.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
really dont think he can surpress powers, he failed to stop Nathan before he flew away Next episode's preview showed Mr Bennet being thrown into the cell wall. Maybe Sylar used his arms to throw him, but that does not really mesh.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I thought the Haitian was suppressing powers, although that doesn't work either because of Nathan flying away. Hmmmm...someone or something is suppressing powers! Posted by graywolfe (Member # 3852) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: If you think Heroes moves slow, you must HATE LOST. I don't plan to watch LOST when it comes back on, but Heroes is awesome and fulfilling in comparison. Every week we get some questions answered, and next week looks like no exception.
The question now is: Who is Claire's father? And how awesome is it that her mother has pyrokinesis? I like that we're seeing some new characters crop up, and I too would be perfectly satisfied to see the Niki plotline die a quick and humane death, but it's worth it for the lines I like.
The design on Hiro's sword is no longer believed to be an RNA symbol, but rather a Japanese character that means "special" or something like that. And I don't like the idea of his ability needing to be linked to the sword either, but I think the whole thing is in his head.
I like Peter's new journey to be able to control his power, and that Nathan and Mohinder have teamed up.
I watch 24 too, but never during the regular season. I can't stand waiting from week to week.
Interesting you mention Lost. I think they've made some big time errors. They really took the wrong lessons from last seasons sharp ratings decline when they showed reruns and decided to simply throw in a new series and hope it could hop onto the interest that Lost generated in it's own fans. Unfortunately they were wrong, daybreak, or whatever it was called crashed and burned (though I thought it was decent), and with lost departing the scene for essentially 3 months, they will shed quite a few viewers when they come back. That move was a slap in the face of loyal viewers already annoyed with a third season that appeared slower, and more annoying then the uneven second. Just a terrible network, needless to say.
As for Heroes, I remain loyal even though they killed off one of my fav characters (the Texan waitress), and my early guess on Claire's father is also Petrelli, though for a more basic reason. To put it simply, the arm they showed had a very expensive watch, and the kind of fake casual dress shirt that politicians sometimes wear (the kind of shirts that give off a formal, and yet also friendly vibe, to potential voters).
Agree on the general complaints on the show. A few weeks ago it appeared they'd clued in to the problem of too many characters, and were minimizing the issue by focusing episodes on only a portion of the cast for a few weeks. This made sense. In doing that, they were able to keep the show interesting, and enriching, rather than seeming to just briefly touch on each and every freaking characters storyline, all a million of them. Now its back to touching on all the characters, and like the rest of you, i think it's hurting the pacing and the show in general, and like many of you the biggest problem is Ali Larter's character in my view. It's bad enough that they really haven't made that storyline particularly interesting, but even worse, in Larter, one of their major signings for the series, they've gotten a very uneven performance. I saw Francie Swift due a split personality role for Law and Order twelve years ago, and it was a tremendously nuanced, and yet simple, and flowing, believable performance. Larter simply hasn't been able to put it together, her work is making it look practically soap opera-esque and killing fan interest in her aspect of the storyline, and the writers aren't helping her much either. Hopefully the new actress brought in to play the psychiatrist will help but I tend to doubt it.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
graywolf -- I'm so with you on the multiple personalities thing. I've been bored with the storyline from the start and as time goes on, I am growing even more wary of it. I don't see a real connection to the main storyline happening anytime soon and I'm not even sure I want it to connect. Both Niki and Jessie are unsympathetic characters. I don't know about the acting -- sometimes it's hard to separate the acting and the writing. I don't thinks she's doing bad with the material. Then again, I tend to think that good writing will overcome bad acting whereas good acting has no hope of overcoming bad writing.
I enjoy the series by pretending that part doesn't exist. Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 5108) on :
I was mildly interested back when she was having the blackouts and we didn't know for sure why. But I don't really like her character, whether it's the acting or the writing. I'd much rather they'd kept the waitress and dumped the Nikki storyline.
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
quote:But I don't really like her character, whether it's the acting or the writing. I'd much rather they'd kept the waitress and dumped the Nikki storyline.
I agree! I was so disappointed when Charly only lasted two episodes. She had potential.
Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
The family problems with Claire and her father are interesting and thought provoking. There's real tension, and they're both likable, yet flawed characters.
Nikki has very little going for her, and the multiple personalities is an old plot device. The rest of her family aren't real likable either, so I just don't care so much what happens to them.
Add the fact that they seem to have zero to do with the main story arc, and I wonder why they're even there. Seems like a waste of time to me. I just want them to get back to Claire, Peter, or Hiro.
Posted by graywolfe (Member # 3852) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine: graywolf -- I'm so with you on the multiple personalities thing. I've been bored with the storyline from the start and as time goes on, I am growing even more wary of it. I don't see a real connection to the main storyline happening anytime soon and I'm not even sure I want it to connect. Both Niki and Jessie are unsympathetic characters. I don't know about the acting -- sometimes it's hard to separate the acting and the writing. I don't thinks she's doing bad with the material. Then again, I tend to think that good writing will overcome bad acting whereas good acting has no hope of overcoming bad writing.
I enjoy the series by pretending that part doesn't exist.
I don't know, I have rarely seen people do the whole "split personality thing" effectively other than Francie in that Law and Order episode "Switch" from 1995, and of course Edward Norton in Primal Fear. Generally it's poorly done, and Ali is no different. The dialogue may not help, but she's never convincing in her transitions from sister to sister personality. The saving grace is that she's a film actress by trade, unlike most of the rest of the cast, and my guess is that she'll be among the first to leave the show, at least on a temporary basis.
I agree with you on the connection to the show as a whole as well. They are the three characters that really haven't linked up much at all in any sense with the main group other than the car accident incident and their plot line doesn't fit in well, but maybe they are there to represent "gray"? Whereas a lot of the other characters are drawn as outright evil or good, with the exception of Claire's dad, that family is a mess, maybe they are there to show not just a dark side in the sense that powers might not only lead you to be a hero, or a villain, but that they can also simply make a bad situation even worse if you don't harness them? No clue. But I do agree that they are the weakest link in the story, and you can also see the connection (very much there as expressed in their ew interview/story from 3 months ago) between the creators and Lost, even to the extent of unfortunate pacing which has been a problem all season.
Still, inspite of all my complaints, I do really enjoy it. I mean, would you rather watch the latest Brad Garrett vehicle, or some reality tv drivel, or the latest example of how David Spade murders the concept of comedy? Nope, no thank you, and this show, while inconsistent, is still a pleasure for the most part to watch.
Posted by graywolfe (Member # 3852) on :
quote:Originally posted by JennaDean:
quote:But I don't really like her character, whether it's the acting or the writing. I'd much rather they'd kept the waitress and dumped the Nikki storyline.
I agree! I was so disappointed when Charly only lasted two episodes. She had potential.
No doubt, charming, sweet, disarming and fun character that would have been a nice blend with the Hiro contingent. Why they'd kill her off, and drag the dead weight that is the Ali Larter storyline I have no idea. I guess they still aren't aware that Larter's "Final Destination Drawing Power" isn't responsible for the show's popularity.
I read in an ew interview, sorry if this was mentioned elsewhere in here, that the main reason they killed off charlie, was that they needed to show that Hiro wasn't going to basically be a human "delete" button, who could go back in time and fix whatever went awry anytime something ever went awry. Still, to teach Hiro that lesson with that character seemed particularly cruel, there are inumerable characters I wouldn't have been crushed to see die by that head dicing via soup can skill Skylar has, but Charlie was never one of them. When i saw that hiro was going back in time to help her, I kept the hope alive, but alas, they killed her off .
Posted by EKR (Member # 9545) on :
It seems Peter is becoming a little obsessed with his powers.... He just reminds me of young Anakin before he's taken by the dark side.
Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
To the people who are complaining that the show is too slow again I say: Live with it.
I think it is planned that way. If you start out at a high energy level it is almost impossible to maintian it for a whole 22 episodes with out doing a 24. If you start slow, build each week and then have a heart thumping conclusion, people will go for it. They did that with the first 11 episodes.
I told my son that he should not expect the series to come back with a bang, but to start slow again. This gives us time to get a feel for the characters and then, when bad things happen, we feel for them more.
msquared
Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 5108) on :
quote:Still, inspite of all my complaints, I do really enjoy it. I mean, would you rather watch the latest Brad Garrett vehicle, or some reality tv drivel, or the latest example of how David Spade murders the concept of comedy? Nope, no thank you, and this show, while inconsistent, is still a pleasure for the most part to watch.
If I wasn't watching Heroes on Monday nights, I wouldn't be watching anything in that time slot. The only reason I'm still watching is to see how the explosion thing gets resolved. I could easily see myself passing on the show once that gets wrapped up.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by graywolfe:
quote:Originally posted by JennaDean:
quote:But I don't really like her character, whether it's the acting or the writing. I'd much rather they'd kept the waitress and dumped the Nikki storyline.
I agree! I was so disappointed when Charly only lasted two episodes. She had potential.
No doubt, charming, sweet, disarming and fun character that would have been a nice blend with the Hiro contingent. Why they'd kill her off, and drag the dead weight that is the Ali Larter storyline I have no idea. I guess they still aren't aware that Larter's "Final Destination Drawing Power" isn't responsible for the show's popularity.
I read in an ew interview, sorry if this was mentioned elsewhere in here, that the main reason they killed off charlie, was that they needed to show that Hiro wasn't going to basically be a human "delete" button, who could go back in time and fix whatever went awry anytime something ever went awry. Still, to teach Hiro that lesson with that character seemed particularly cruel, there are inumerable characters I wouldn't have been crushed to see die by that head dicing via soup can skill Skylar has, but Charlie was never one of them. When i saw that hiro was going back in time to help her, I kept the hope alive, but alas, they killed her off .
If Hiro hadn't been so emotional invested in saving Charlie, the lesson wouldn't have been so powerful. Hiro and the audience could both keep thinking "but if only he had tried harder", "if only it had been really important", "if only Hiro had really cared", then he could have used his power to change it. As much as I would have like to see the Charlie character continue in the show, I think it was necessary for them to kill off a character that Hiro and the audience cared about in order to clearly demonstrate the limitations of Hiro's power.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: Has the invisible guy given Peter any reason to believe that he's a "teacher"?
Not at first, but he was the first person Peter met who was comfortable with his power and seemed to have it under control. Nathan denies he can fly, Isaac can sometimes paint the future and sometimes not, etc. So here's this older guy who clearly knows what he's doing.
Of course, later on, he says something that makes it clear that he's at least given some help to other mutants.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I'm worried about Nikki's son. He's a kid, and he has no moral compass. He's prime material for future super-villain-hood. Kind of a cute Kilg%re.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I really hope they either get rid of Nikki and her family or give that story a clear direction soon. To me, her story is the weakest part of the show. Its the one part that doesn't seem to be going anywhere or fit with the rest of the show.
Right now, time the spent on Nikki is distracting. Her story has no clear connection to the rest of the Heroes so spending time on her adds to the whole soap opera flavor.
This show has so much potential that I'd hate to see it go down the tubes like some many others have. The biggest danger is that they have so many characters that they don't have enough time to develop them deeply enough and fast enough to keep viewers watching.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Sweeps is coming up.
I expect we'll see some fight scenes soon.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Within 3.5 hours Claire's fathers identity will be general knowledge
Pretty excited about tonights episode.
Lisa: Remember our brief comments on Roswell? Tiffany (Mrs. BlackBlade) after watching season 1 (my parents let her borrow it) decided she only wanted seasons 2 and 3 for her birthday and nothing else. On the one hand she has something to do while I am gone at school/work, on the other she watches it while I am home and not at school/work and I get to hear the theme song over and over and over and over and over.
My only response was to purchase external sound dampening headphones to block out the show while I do my own thing. The downside is when she talks to me I can rarely understand what she says the first time its said.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Before its too late, I'm going to make one last prediction for the identity of Claire's father. I'm betting that its Linderman and that tonights episode we will finally meet Linderman and find out how he is connected.
On a less prescient note. I certainly hope that Claire's father is either someone we already know or know about because we really don't need any more multiplication of characters right now.
Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
My problem with the Nikki/Jessica storyline is that these are reputedly smart people inventing conflict where there shouldn't be any. I mean, OBVIOUSLY, Jessica should not be let out of jail. OBVIOUSLY. The husband knows it, the son knows it, Nikki knows it, everybody knows it. And yet, there's this conflict about "my son needs me" and "I can't do this alone" and "I miss Mom" and blah blah blah, when seriously, no matter how much you miss her, if your mom's split personality tried to murder your dad, and successfully murdered several other people besides, then DUH, she needs to be in jail. Period.
It's like the last episode of Studio 60, where Matt tells Tom to tell the ONE gigantic, obviously-wrong sitcom-level lie that is going to get him in huge trouble, and he falls for it. I lost so much faith in the show because of that. I'm sick of TV characters inventing stupid conflicts for themselves when there are so many real, convincing struggles they could go through.
I wish more people would take a cue from Joss Whedon, kick the lame plot device into the engine, and move on to the next one Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Whew boy. The Nathan voters won.
Big advances for Peter, Niki is free.
I missed it, but how did Syler escape? Does this mean no powers for Bennett?
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Ha! I was right! You guys had me second guessing for a while but I was right...it was NATHAN!
And he is obviously in his mid-thirties, not in his twenties. Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
I was right about nathan. But wasn't someone supposed to die in this episode?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Looks like Matt Parkman might bite it next week, unless he handles being tossed out a window from whatever floor well.
Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 5108) on :
quote:Originally posted by Puppy: It's like the last episode of Studio 60, where Matt tells Tom to tell the ONE gigantic, obviously-wrong sitcom-level lie that is going to get him in huge trouble, and he falls for it. I lost so much faith in the show because of that. I'm sick of TV characters inventing stupid conflicts for themselves when there are so many real, convincing struggles they could go through.
Emphatically seconded.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Didn't Peter sort of die but then come back? I mean you could sort of call that a technicality, one of those cheap cop-outs. Still I love me some Heroes.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
It seems safe to assume that Mr. Bennett has no powers. The Haitian is the one who can block powers -- I wonder if it is some kind of offshoot of his ability to wipe memories.
I just want to say, though, now that I've had my moment of gloating triumph, that this episode is the slowest since the beginning. The last few seconds were the most interesting part. Other than that, Peter's working on his powers and Niki/Jessie got out of prison. As for Hiro and his father...that didn't turn out to be very interesting, IMHO. A shame, I usually really like the parts with Hiro and Ando. This felt like a useless interruption that didn't further the plot in any way.
Hopefully, next week will make up for it. A lot of the plotlines are on the brink of having something interesting happen.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Considering how TV shows usually work...
Is it possible we're asking too much of this show to give us the kind of speed and satisfaction we want every week?
Remember the days when tv shows didn't even have story arcs? We still liked those. Hell, we still DO like those.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:As for Hiro and his father...that didn't turn out to be very interesting, IMHO. A shame, I usually really like the parts with Hiro and Ando. This felt like a useless interruption that didn't further the plot in any way.
I agree. I thought that it was completely and utterly pointless. The resolution was obvious, and all the "drama" from last week turned out to be kinda stupid.
This was probably my least favorite episode yet.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
I may be in the minority here. I liked the Hiro stuff tonight. Then again I'm fascinated by Japanese culture, customs, family relations, and the like. To see how Hiro interacted with his father and his sister and such gave me a bit of a better view into Hiro, who seems to be side stepping Japanese customs/traditions/etc. in order to do what he thinks is right.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Tease! Mrs. Bennett almost said her husband's name, and they had to interrupt her. They did it on purpose, too. <sulk>
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I really really liked the Peter parts of this episode. I loved where Invisible Dude just slugged him to get him to stop going wacko. That's the Heroes I know and love. The rest was forgettable. I want Hiro to have his powers back!
Posted by Baron Samedi (Member # 9175) on :
I didn't particularly like the Hiro storyline, but I thought George Takei was fantastic. When he first appeared I thought it was kind of funny seeing Sulu in a suit. But by the end of the episode he'd sold his character so well that I forgot I'd ever seen him play anyone else. As bored as I got with the plot, it's kind of disappointing that I won't get to see him develop that character any further.
Other than that, and the novelty value of seeing Dr Who with a scraggly beard, the episode was just okay for me, dog.
Posted by Seatarsprayan (Member # 7634) on :
Anyone notice that Hiro's dad's car had a license plate number number of NCC-1701?
Posted by jh (Member # 7727) on :
I really liked this episode;
- the reunion between Claire and her mom - Hiro and his dad were funny, plus Hiro is just so cute! - Peter and his developing mad skills (it kind of reminded me a little of Ghost where the old guy's teaching Patrick Swayze) - Where Invisible Man throws Peter off a building and then punches him when Peter starts going beserk - It's Nathan!! Heehee...
[ February 06, 2007, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: jh ]
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
BS: If it helps you any, it says here that he filmed three episodes. I'm guessing that last week's cameo still counted as one, so that still leaves one.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
So who is our pick for the dead person during sweeps? I've read that someone 'important' is going to die...but then that could just be Simone.
I loved last night too, actually. I loved the Peter action and I'm terrified for what's going to happen when Sylar finds out about him. I loved that her father is Nathan and I loved the scenes with Claire and her mom.
And Sylar is just so freaky and fantastic. *shivers* It's so fun to watch.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I'm a bit ambivalent about Syler right now. I was more interested before he caught him the first time. Now, he is just being overshadowed by the looming threat to New York. Of course, they could tie these two together somehow which would be fantastic.
The Peter stuff last night was ok. I got more of an idea of how his powers worked and I'm interested in this interplay between himself and his mentor. I'd say it was the most interesting subplot going on last night.
Honestly, while I did like the stuff with Claire and her mom there wasn't anything there that we didn't see in the commercials -- which wrecked the whole thing for me.
Posted by Geraine (Member # 9913) on :
Matt will survive the fall, because he is going to be in the next few episodes, and eventually teams up with a Hero we havent seen in a while and another hero who we havent met yet. (If you havent read the graphic novels)
I guess Peter and Claire can't hook up now since Peter is her uncle. Darn.
I still believe Hiro is the samurai he was telling Ando about. The show has a tendancy to overshadow coming events a lot. Hiro tells Ando about the samurai and the sword and how the samurai could move so fast noone saw what was coming. Then right after that Hiro slows down time and looks as though he is moving very quickly. It sort of reminded me of a book I read in my teens called "Eddie Fantastic" by Chris Heimerdinger.
I believe HRG has a power that we dont know about. When Sylar slapped HRG's license up on the glass in the episode, I swear I saw the words "Department of Homeland Security" on there.
Niki just needs to go away. I am sick of her story line, every time she appears I roll my eyes.
Peter only has to remember the person to use their powers? Strange, does this mean he can use all of Sylars powers? Since he is learning how to control his powers, wont he be able to control Ted's power when the time comes?
What would happen if Peter ran into the Haitian? Would the Haitian cancel out Peters power to absorb powers, or would Peter absorb the Haitians power?
My theory? If Peter ran into the Haitian it would result in a black hole. Goodbye world.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:I guess Peter and Claire can't hook up now since Peter is her uncle. Darn.
Ewwww...even if they weren't related, she's 15 and he's 26! Last i checked, that was illegal in all the states. Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
So, I haven't participated in this thread yet, but I have a quick question. If it's already been mentioned in this thread, could someone please direct me to the page?
My brother and I were watching Heroes this week. I've missed several episodes and he was catching me up. He said that it had been made clear that the possesion of powers was familial, because of the brothers, the cheerleader's real family and Niki/Jessie's family. But if this is the case, wouldn't Hiro's family have powers too? Do they? I can't get this to gel in my head, so if anyone can set me straight, I'd appreciate it.
Posted by jh (Member # 7727) on :
Won't Nathan be embarrassed when he realizes that he tried to stop his brother from going to save the cheerleader (who ended up being his own daughter)? Haha, can't wait until he finds out.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Well, there is some talk of there being a genetic marker for special abilities, or some such hoo-ha, but that doesn't mean that everyone who is a blood relative of a Hero has an ability outside the norm. Peter and Nathan's mom doesn't seem to. *shrug*
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Hiro's family DOES have powers. It hasn't been completely explained yet, but it has something to do with a deeper, powerful Japanese dynasty thing. I read about it in TV guide. Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Oh, that's cool.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
Ah! Okay, that helps. Once again, my questions will be answered if I'd just wait for the show to get to it.
Olivet- When you say there is "some talk" do you mean within the show or outside of it?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Tease! Mrs. Bennett almost said her husband's name, and they had to interrupt her. They did it on purpose, too. <sulk>
I just froze the screen where Sylar puts HRGs drivers licence up against the window. On the drivers license his name is listed as "Bennet" and his signature is also "Bennet".
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Olivet: Well, there is some talk of there being a genetic marker for special abilities, or some such hoo-ha, but that doesn't mean that everyone who is a blood relative of a Hero has an ability outside the norm. Peter and Nathan's mom doesn't seem to. *shrug*
While the superpowers are definitely genetic, the show has never indicated whether they are dominant or recessive. Its also been suggested that the genes must be (can be?) activated. Its also clear that these genes are recent developements (mutations?) in the human genome. So I would expect that the family connection of super traits need not be 100%. I.E. a child could easily be a "sport", that is have super power genes even though no other family members exhibit the traits.
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: I just froze the screen where Sylar puts HRGs drivers licence up against the window. On the drivers license his name is listed as "Bennet" and his signature is also "Bennet".
I just did the same thing... same result. No mention of Homeland Security either.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Did anyone else notice how it seems like next week Suresh and Sylar are going to ally with each other? Is Suresh an idiot? He's always been one of my favorite characters because he seems intelligent and not given to the afore-mentioned stupid plot devices. But teaming up with Sylar, at least as far as I can see, would be really stupid for Suresh.
Oh, and I found it really interesting also that the first person Isaac called was Bennet. They seemed quite cozy.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Hiročs family is probably really really smart and is what allows Hiro to bend the space tiem continuim.
his power isnt to directly alter it, its actually the ability to perform the trillion+ calculations per second needed to warp the space time continuim to his will.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
So... no one has mentioned that 1)InvisiWho has had his powers for 15+ years, or that 2)Mr. Bennet knew who he was and was under the impression he was dead?
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Yeah, that too. The last few minutes of this past episode were really good, plus the previews for next week.
Posted by Baron Samedi (Member # 9175) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Hiročs family is probably really really smart and is what allows Hiro to bend the space tiem continuim.
his power isnt to directly alter it, its actually the ability to perform the trillion+ calculations per second needed to warp the space time continuim to his will.
1. Continuum 2. So the only thing that keeps me from stopping and reversing time right now is that I can't do math in my head fast enough? You totally lost me. Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I hate that Nathan is Claire's dad. I also really hate that they keep calling her biological parents her "real" parents. I feel very strongly that the people who raise you are your real parents.
Didn't Mr. Bennett talk about Claire's birth parents like he had studied both of them? Then why didn't he know about Nathan's powers when he grabbed him in Las Vegas?
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
How did Nathan fly when he was in Las Vegas if the Haitian was there blocking his powers? That whole scene smells of the writers wanting to look really cool without really thinking what it would do to the rest of the story.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
isnt quantom physics and all that other crazy stuff how simply alot of really uber math?
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Okay, okay. I shouldn't have come back into this thread. Now you guys have just sucked me back in.
Just watched the last episode online......*sigh*. Now I'm captive again.
FG
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
I'm guessing the Haitian has to consciously apply his powers -- which makes sense, otherwise he'd be wiping peoples' memories right and left -- and so didn't block Nathan in time. But it's true, HRG should have known about him, IF he knows who Claire's father is.
I think it's interesting that Claire was born about the same time that the Invisible guy got his powers. Significant to anyone else? When did Jessica die? When did Suresh's dad start researching?
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
I got the impression that Bennet knew that Nathan was special, but he doesn't know what the powers are before they manifest. I think I got that out of some of the comics.
Since Nathan is reluctant with his ability, it would make sense that until Bennet saw it, he didn't know what it was.
Also, I agree that the Haitian probably requires some conscious thought to exercise his capabilities. And, there may be some flavors of abilities that he doesn't affect.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
I think maybe the Haitian can only block psychic abilities as opposed to physical ones?
Or, um, what gnixing said.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:I hate that Nathan is Claire's dad. I also really hate that they keep calling her biological parents her "real" parents. I feel very strongly that the people who raise you are your real parents.
Didn't Mr. Bennett talk about Claire's birth parents like he had studied both of them? Then why didn't he know about Nathan's powers when he grabbed him in Las Vegas?
I don't remember Mr. Bennett saying any such thing, to be honest. He knew her MOTHER and had studied her MOTHER. I'm not sure he ever knew who her father was.
As for the "real" vs. "biological" thing I'm with you -- but don't forget that people do use this terminology and that there may be more to the wording choice by the writers than meets the eye.
quote:How did Nathan fly when he was in Las Vegas if the Haitian was there blocking his powers? That whole scene smells of the writers wanting to look really cool without really thinking what it would do to the rest of the story.
I've been wondering about that for a lon time now. I'm still going to go ahead and give the writers the benefit of the doubt -- for now. There is a lot about this world and these powers that we don't understand yet.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by AvidReader: I hate that Nathan is Claire's dad. I also really hate that they keep calling her biological parents her "real" parents. I feel very strongly that the people who raise you are your real parents.
Under ordinary circumstances I would agree with that statement but these aren't ordinary circumstances. Bennett told Isaac that he had adopted Claire because her parents had been killed as a result of his groups activities. Now we know that this is not true and have every reason to believe that Bennett knew Claire's parents (at very least her father) were still alive. What's more, Bennett admittedly had some role in the accident that made Claire's mother believe she was dead.
So Mr. and Mrs. Bennett "adopted" Claire under extremely suspicious circumstances that might even be described as kidnapping.
Its one thing to say that biological parents who have voluntarily given up their children in adoption shouldn't be considered "real" parents. It is an entirely different to say that biological parents who have had their child taken against their will either by kidnapping or deception shouldn't be considered a childs "real" parents.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
"I've been wondering about that for a lon time now. I'm still going to go ahead and give the writers the benefit of the doubt -- for now. There is a lot about this world and these powers that we don't understand yet."
Ok, guys, remember when Matt was taken to be studied? Mr. Bennett said that the Haitian was the one blocking the powers.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
*Does anyone else find it odd that a super-sophisticated high-tech outfit like Bennett's can't manage to implant tracking devices without leaving highly conspicuous marks?
*I keep wondering if the writers have a real framework for the rules of time travel or if they're making it up as they go along. For example, it struck me that while *our* cheerleader was saved, a cheerleader was still killed. *Every* panel of Isaac's came to pass. There's no evidence that the event played out any differently than they did in Isaac's paintings.
And while Hiro says he can't change the past, he already *has.* He just wasn't able to change what we all agree was a *significant* event. When he went back 6 months, he essentially created a new time track in which Charlie met him long before her death. It's also not clear if people in the current time remember Hiro as the guy from 6 months ago or as the guy who walked in for the first time that day. And of course Ando remembers the first reality but also is aware that people in this reality think of Hiro as someone who became involved with Charlie 6 months ago (come to think of it, you'd think the cops would have wanted a very long talk in an interrogation room with Hiro - as someone who disappeared and then reappeared on the day of her death.)
And I think someone else has mentioned this, but I am really wondering if Hiro himself is the Samurai whose sword he is after. The painting in the museum depicted him with the same hair and little chin hair that future Hiro sported.
Still wondering about the Siberian blast as a finale for the season... Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 5108) on :
I feel like an idiot, but what does "HRG" stand for?
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
"*I keep wondering if the writers have a real framework for the rules of time travel or if they're making it up as they go along. For example, it struck me that while *our* cheerleader was saved, a cheerleader was still killed. *Every* panel of Isaac's came to pass. There's no evidence that the event played out any differently than they did in Isaac's paintings. "
Yeah, it would be a horrible twist if the cheerleader that did die was the one they were supposed to save. There is no picture saying that it was Claire who died. There was no name given from Hiro.
However, speaking in broader terms, future Hiro pushed Peter in the direction of Texas and had he not been there, Eve and the Haitian wouldn't have been there, Claire would have died, and Sylar would still be free.
So, Hiro's actions have had an effect. Isaac's future meddling, not so much. What he's painted is true to the fact.
Consider this- what if Hiro had meant the other Cheerleader? Now, his actions have had an effect, but perhaps not the designated effect if that's what he intended.
Moving on, though, it's possible that the entire course of events DID happen with Future Hiro, and at the advice of Peter, Hiro went back to deliver the message anyway. In which case his actions didn't change the actions that he had lived through, and Claire was the intended savee.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Horn Rimmed Glasses. That's the name they're using for Mr. Bennett, because at first, we had no idea who he was. And even now, they've never mentioned his first name. They almost had his wife say it in this last ep, but then they interrupted her just before she could. It's deliberate.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
T_Smith mentioned this back on page 4 of this thread, but I just wanted to bring it up again--the invisible man who is trying to teach Peter how to control his powers is played by Chris Eccleston, who was the ninth Dr. Who (2004-2005). If you want someone for a tutor, Dr. Who should be a good one!
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Horn Rimmed Glasses. That's the name they're using for Mr. Bennett, because at first, we had no idea who he was. And even now, they've never mentioned his first name. They almost had his wife say it in this last ep, but then they interrupted her just before she could. It's deliberate.
According to his drivers licence, he doesn't have a first name and a last name. His only name is Bennett. I don't think we have heard anyone call him by any name, first or last, other than "Dad" or "my husband" yet. We call him Mr. Bennett solely because he's Claire Bennett's father.
Oh, and it isn't a question of the first name being obscured on the drivers license. There is a clear shot of the full drivers license. Nothing is obscured. His name is listed as "Bennett" his full signature is "Bennett".
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: T_Smith mentioned this back on page 4 of this thread, but I just wanted to bring it up again--the invisible man who is trying to teach Peter how to control his powers is played by Chris Eccleston, who was the ninth Dr. Who (2004-2005). If you want someone for a tutor, Dr. Who should be a good one!
And as long as were keeping track, didn't the actress who plays Nikki's shrink in prison play Kasidy Yates on DS9?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
No.
The only thing Penny Johnson has done recently that most people would probably recignize is playing Sherry Palmer on "24."
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: "I've been wondering about that for a lon time now. I'm still going to go ahead and give the writers the benefit of the doubt -- for now. There is a lot about this world and these powers that we don't understand yet."
Ok, guys, remember when Matt was taken to be studied? Mr. Bennett said that the Haitian was the one blocking the powers.
I know that the Haitian is the one who blocks powers. I guess I can come up with two ways to make the scene with Nathan flying away all right:
1. The Haitian has to be consciously applying his powers and he was not.
2. The Haitian has a specific range to his power (say 10 feet) and Nathan managed to get out of range.
It could be something else. Like I said, for the moment, I am trying to give the writers the benefit of the doubt. Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Nope. That I know for sure. Not sure who she is, but I haven't seen Kasidy since the 3rd season of 24.
I'm excited to see what happens when Peter and the Haitian finally meet up...hehe. Is that what causes the explosion? Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 5108) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Horn Rimmed Glasses. That's the name they're using for Mr. Bennett, because at first, we had no idea who he was. And even now, they've never mentioned his first name. They almost had his wife say it in this last ep, but then they interrupted her just before she could. It's deliberate.
Thanks, Lisa.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
1000th post! Woo!
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
Peter seemed kind of weak at first, not having a real power of his own, only able to share others' powers. But it seems to me he may be the most powerful of all, as he's learning to control this, and may be the only one who's a match for Sylar.
quote:I'm excited to see what happens when Peter and the Haitian finally meet up...hehe. Is that what causes the explosion?
I always figured he adopted the power from Thermonuclear guy, and couldn't control it.
As for Nikki ... she was in the movie Legally Blonde, as the exercise instructor who was jailed for killing her husband, that Reese Witherspoon defended. She looks so familiar in prison orange now.
Posted by Walleo77 (Member # 9361) on :
I can't believe that I missed the tag. I am so ashamed. So much for being a Treky
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Does anyone remember Future Hiro telling Peter "Be the one that we need."?
Well....
To me, even back when I saw it, it meant that he was going to be a foil for Sylar, using his multudinous borrowed powers to combat the ones that Sylar stole. Back then, I assumed that it meant he was going to have to keep all the other heroes nearby him to use the powers (in a very Captain Planet style approach), but now it appears he will simply be harnessing them.
Future Hiro (hereafter: FH) got Peter on the path that ended up with him meeting Claire, thereby exposing Peter to Claire's power, which is the first one that he was able to use away from another hero's presence. Without FH's "save the cheerleader, save the wolrd" speech, Peter almost certainly would not have met up with Claire. So as a result of FH's intervention, Peter now can regenerate, which increases the liklihood that Peter will be able to survive until his empathic powers are needed.
I'm convinced that all of this talk of Peter being the cause of the explosion is pure misdirection from the writers. The future catastrophe was one of the first things we heard about, and that was long before Peter was diverted into a path where he would eventually meet the numerous heroes. If FH was trying to prevent the explosion, he wouldn't have made it so Peter would be over-exposed, he would have tried to isolate him. (This assumes that FH knows a lot more about what he's doing than present Hiro.)
It has to be something else causing it, but I admittedly have no alternative explanation at this time.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Also, when I first heard the voice of the prison psychologist (I was looking away from the screen at the time), both my wife and I thought it was Penny J. Johnson (Kassidy, Sherry Palmer). But then I did a double-take and realized that it wasn't.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I know alot of you hate the Jessica/Niki storyline, but I actually enjoy it. I really wish the writers would establish the extent of Jessica's power. One episode she throws her husband across the room, but in last episode she simply snaps her restraints that are, "Strong enough to restrain an elephant."
With that sort of strength she could have killed him while throwing him across the room, but she didn't throw him hard enough to, why? Jessica certainly doesn't like him.
Just a side note, I really liked how they presented Hiro's family. It was very Japanese and true to fact. I also liked that it reminds us that Hiro simply up and left work.
Did anybody else laugh when Ando said, "You're sister is hot." And in Japanese they translated "hot" as "Se Ku Si(see)" (go ahead, say it out loud)
Does anybody else wonder how Future Hiro since he has a sword (you can see it on him) told Peter that he was risking a "time rift" by coming there?
Is his power still not perfect even with the sword?
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I know alot of you hate the Jessica/Niki storyline, but I actually enjoy it. I really wish the writers would establish the extent of Jessica's power. One episode she throws her husband across the room, but in last episode she simply snaps her restraints that are, "Strong enough to restrain an elephant."
With that sort of strength she could have killed him while throwing him across the room, but she didn't throw him hard enough to, why? Jessica certainly doesn't like him.
I've always found this to be a weakness of super strong characters, including Superman. It always seems like they should do a whole lot more harm than they actually end up doing and that the extent of their strength is large driven by the needs of the plot. I haven't seen anything to suggest that this will be different.
quote:
Does anybody else wonder how Future Hiro since he has a sword (you can see it on him) told Peter that he was risking a "time rift" by coming there?
Is his power still not perfect even with the sword?
I don't believe he really needs the sword. I think he's got confidence problems since he failed to save the waitress and is even afraid of his own power. He *thinks* he needs the sword to focus and he may even think that for a long time. I'm pretty sure that in the end, it's going to turn out to be a lot like the artist's drug addiction, though. (Well, not quite as harmful.)
Posted by Walleo77 (Member # 9361) on :
I'm thinking the reference to the the time rift risk is because Hiro is coming from the future and with "future wisdom" giving peter a little push. If Hiro has said too much then the future would theoretically change.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
"Does anybody else wonder how Future Hiro since he has a sword (you can see it on him) told Peter that he was risking a "time rift" by coming there?"
That's his own understanding of time travel, not anything he's experienced. If you recall when Peter first called Ando and Hiro, Ando asked why he didn't just come to him in the first place, and Hiro said "he probably didn't want to create a time rift." It's just the rules he put on himself after watching a lot of sci fi, much like how a hero has a quest he must fulfil, and that being altruistic is the duty of those with powers.
Really though, if you had time travel, wouldn't you sit down and think about it logically, and not want to mess around with rifts and alternate realities and the such?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Word on the street is, Malcolm McDowell has been cast as Linderman. We may be seeing him soon.
Posted by Luet13 (Member # 9274) on :
Ooh, I love Malcolm McDowell. He could potentially be a great Linderman.
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
Though we don't really know how strong Nikki's restraints were. It is very likely they are simply the normal restraints that they put on any prisoner. The psychologist might have just been saying that to comfort a woman with dissociative identity disorder
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I commented on this in the five minutes to midnight thread but its really more relevant in this one.
Until I read the article reporting that scientist had moved the hands on the doomsday clock two minutes closer to midnight, I hadn't realized that the doomsday clock stood at seven minutes to midnight. So I hadn't picked up on the reference to doomsday on Sylar's watch and episode named "seven minutes to midnight".
Why didn't some of you more with it people point this out before it had become a dated reference?
Do you think that the Heroes writers will somehow subtly work the updated doomsday clock setting into the show?
Posted by Geraine (Member # 9913) on :
Anyone else notice that after Sylar threw Mrs. Bennett into the china cabinet something strange happeneed?
Sylar walked over to her, and while standing over her said "Hi." But the strange thing is that it was not in his own voice. It sounded like that scary low pitched voice that Eden used when she was trying to control someone. I know Eden shot herself in the head to protect her power from being taken, but could Sylar have gotten it anyway?
Im scared. Someone hold me.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
((((Geraine))))
I think Sylar would be much more aggressive if he had that power. He'd be pretty unstoppable with it. Though we still don't know how powers are blocked, so ... We'll see .
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
What powers has Sylar "stolen"? We know he has telekenesis but what else do we know for sure. We know he killed Charley so we can assume he has her super memory.
We've seen him shot at and survive twice. We've seen him fall from a great height and survive. We've seen that he can revive himself after a doctor has pronounced hime dead. But the fact that he is so anxious to get Claire's "talents" suggested that he doesn't have the power to regenerate the way she does. We've seen him make astounding escapes but have no really evidence that he flies. If could also be super speed or something else. We know that one of the people he killed was flash frozen so he may have some cryogenic power.
How many people has he killed? This would give us a hint at how many powers he might have. It has been implied that Sylar needs peoples brains to assume their powers but we really don't know exactly what he does with the brains. Could this same process work for anyone, even someone who wasn't "special"? Has Sylar successful obtained the powers from everyone he has killed?
What will happen when Sylar and Peter meet? By meeting Sylar, could Peter assume all of his powers at once? I guess they did already meet at homecoming. Does this mean that Peter now has telekenesis and any number of other mysterious powers if he could learn to access them. Could Peter's illness and coma be an after effect of meeting sylar and assuming so many powers all at once.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
How much contact does Peter need with other Heroes in order to be able to mimic their powers? What other Heroes did Peter meet when he was in Texas? We know he met Claire and was able to regenerate. We also know that he was in rough proximity to the Haitian, Eden, Matt and Sylar while he was there.
Do you suppose that kind of rough proximity is enough for him to get access to their powers? Does he need to see them? Speak to them? Touch them? What does he need?
We know that he aquired invisibility and the ability to see the invisible guy before he ever spoke to him but he had seen him previously in the dream so that may have changed the rules. We know that he was some how able to exist in a time bubble with future Hiro but then again different rules may have applied since this was not Hiro's first meeting with Peter.
And I'm still curious about what is going on with Peter's dreams. No one else has presient dreams, at least no one that we know of. Has he assumed this power from someone we have yet to learn of or is this just another manifestation of his empathic power.
Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
I wonder if he's going to use the Haitian's (???) power-blocking ability to block his OWN powers, once he learns to control them ..?
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: ((((Geraine))))
I think Sylar would be much more aggressive if he had that power. He'd be pretty unstoppable with it. Though we still don't know how powers are blocked, so ... We'll see .
I could be way off but I think Sylar gleans much more pleasure from controlling others in spite of their actions. Case in point he let Mrs. Bennett try to call her husband before destroying her phone, and he let her try to get out the front door before slamming her into the cabinet. It would be pretty boring if he just controlled everyone, but I suppose he could just as easily glean pleasure out of making people hurt the ones they loved.
I am not so sure about Sylar "needing" Claire's power. Perhaps he simply feels he should be the ONLY one with powers, or that his power is the greatest and therefore its natural realization is the complete absorption of others powers. Notice Sylar steals power and Peter shares it.
Has it occurred to anybody else that if Peter absorbs too much power he will explode, would the same thing happen to Sylar if he succeeds?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Wasn't it implied in any earlier episode that Sylar was suffering somesort of degeneration from taking on so many powers.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:I am not so sure about Sylar "needing" Claire's power.
Its not clear that he "needs" it but its certainly clear that he wants it. He has said he intends to take it.
When he was locked in the cell in an earlier episode, Bennett tells him "You've lost a lot of blood, it turns out your no so invincible after all".
All of it suggest that whatever Sylar's powers maybe, regeneration like Claire has isn't one of them.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Peter has the most Powers, hands down. I don't think he has the Haitians powers. Not close enough.
Sylar on the other hand, Peter was definately close enough to.
Peter has Time Travel/Teleportation, Invisibility, Regeneration, Telepathy, Telekenisis, Memory, Future Painting Stuff, Flight, see broken things... and has Eden's power (when she was with Mohindar). Everything that Sylar has, he has, and more. He doesn't have Niki's, DL's or Micahs powers, though.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Wow. What a seriously crappy episode. Only cool thing that happened was maybe Parkman starting to turn to the dark side. Even the bit with Sylar was dull. Oh well. If it doesn't pick up in the next few weeks, it probably will have lost me. It has so much potential, but these past two episodes have really been ... almost pointless.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
I wouldn't call it crappy, but it definitely wasn't what it could have been. Then again I find most of the stuff involving Nikki boring. I was slightly disappointed we didn't see anything about Peter this week, but I guess that's how it goes sometimes. Still going to keep watching those as it's still better than most stuff on TV.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who was vaguely disappointed. Nothing glaringly bad, just nothing really spoke to me.
I'm glad to see Jessica tie into other people's storylines finally. I liked that Ando got to be the center of attention for a bit.
I really hate the way they build stuff up (Claire will see her father!) and then don't deliver (she sees the back of his head as he drives away). Really, who cares? The only new development I got out of all that was that Mrs. Petrelli thinks Nathan is too soft. We could have done more mom playing Lady MacBeth and a lot less of everything else, IMHO.
And I don't have a bit of faith in them to deliver on next week's promise. So we'll see.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
I'll be disappointed if (don't read ahead if you don't watch the previews for the next week) Nathan is the one who does the flying. It'd be so anti-climactic.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
I liked this episode... It seems like all the 'heroes' are getting closer together.
I liked how the Sylar/Mohindar connection is more trickery on Sylar's part than anything...
I liked how Claire hung out and heard the conversation...
I liked how Ando got the spotlight...
I like the show - and I really enjoy everyone's comments in this thread!!
Anyone know how many episodes until the end of the season?
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
I don't know. I'd assume the season would be 24 episodes or so, which would be another 9 episodes. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
There's another three or four listed on Wikipedia.
Posted by Launchywiggin (Member # 9116) on :
I thought this episode was par for a series that has very little story to tell over a very long time. You have to expect some episodes to go slower and draw some stuff out. I thought this episode built tension well--it just didn't have any huge "reveals".
This show, while not always being perfect, has been consistently great in every episode I've watched.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
So... no one going to say anything about how the constant erasing of Mrs. Bennet's mind is causing her to go bonkers? The previews say someone dies next week -- but if it is only her, that will be kind of anti-climatic.
FG
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I'm with Dr. Strangelove on this one -- for a while things were getting better, but now we're back to me being on the verge of giving this show up.
I don't feel that the show is building tension well. My feelings after watching last night's episode were impatient rather than concerned or worried about the characters or situations. There are too many things going on for me to keep them all straight in my head and the big thing that's looming over their heads -- the destruction of New York -- has only seemed real a few times and then I lose my focus of it again in the next episode when there is no follow-through or buildup on that plot line.
The best thing about last night's episode was that we finally had a little bit of action -- Matt vs. Jessie. As much as I dislike the Nikki/Jessie character I did appreciate her making things move a little bit and now she finally seems to be getting connected with the other characters a bit. I may develop more patience for this subplot if that happens.
I also liked Claire's mom getting mind-wiped one too many times.
BTW, did anyone else wonder why on earth Linderman is trying to have Nathan killed when he just went to considerable trouble to secure his election and have a politician in his pocket? I hope they explain that soon. I'm trying to have faith in the writers but just now it feels like a hole in the plot. Posted by Counter Bean (Member # 10176) on :
That was a thing that troubled me as well, why pay him and then bump him off, they have the film of him with Nikki. If he is out of control they should try to snap him back first.
Here is proof that the future has changed, future Hiro recalled Peter with a scar, a fate that he can now avoid since he can recall Clair's power.
Matt is loosing weight! Good to see that, however I do not like forced ignorance, in what world would Nathan go get Peter after Peter died to save the Cheerleader and where Nathan had to apply political pressure to free him, but then Nathan never bother to see the girl? Not believable, less believable then the power of flight... Nathan should have recognized Claire. Further Clair would have insisted on knowing his name, and she would have recognized it, knowing it she could at least run away to her Uncle Peter.
We know from Peter's vision that she ends up in New York, so it irks me that we have false suspense by improbably withholding some names that we know will be discovered and lead to a trip to the Big Apple.
Clair's real mom is trash, reminds me of the mom from Million Dollar Baby. sad really, it will be good to see her exit stage left. Cool power used to light menthols in Mexico...
Still one of the most interesting shows, too bad we lost the guy who can cold liquefy metals and plastics, with that ability you could jump to some real next generation armor by molding composite blends of metals and polymers, a future series could use a body armor guy to solve the old vulnerability problem.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
We agreed that Nathan probably recognized Claire in the photo on the cell phone, because of the confrontation with her when she wanted to visit Peter after he saved her. So he knows who she is. What he does with that knowledge remains to be seen.
Posted by graywolfe (Member # 3852) on :
Why the incessant whining about mediocre episodes? I do agree that this one wasn't particularly good, though for me it was simply a product of being tired of Sylar doing the same ol same ol, and more of the same from Jessica/Nikki, but big deal, there hasn't been a show anywhere that was never "off" from time to time. H:Lots, Deadwood, The Wire, Sopranos, X-Files, Seinfeld, Simpsons etc. If you expect it to be consistently great, every single week, you're expecting the impossible.
Just enjoy the ride, and disengage a bit if it stinks, if you want to drop it, drop it, but I don't get the point of whining about how much it sucks, and how you're going to give up on it or not. What's the point? It almost seems like some feel betrayed when they have an off episode, or don't develop the storyline as you would like. Well, it's not a perfect medium, and even the great one's go into the toilet at times, every single one of them.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
What's the point of whining about whining?
I've invested time and money into this show. I care about it. When it disappoints me like it did yesterday, it makes me sad and I express my dissatisfaction. So sue me.
The thing is, Heroes is a new show. Last night was an episode that would've been fine in any of the other shows you mentioned, because they already have a devoted following that easily puts up with it. I'm still trying to decide whether or not I want to become devoted to Heroes, and episodes like last nights put a little weight on the negatory side.
Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 5108) on :
I think the biggest problem with Heroes is that it has so many characters, and they've almost all been around from the beginning. With so many characters it can be hard to give equal airtime while still moving the story along, and viewers are bound to like some but not others. With one main character this wouldn't be a problem, if you didn't like him or her you could quit watching and you probably wouldn't miss the show. But with Heroes, I really like a couple of characters, sort of like others, and really dislike a few as well.
So I can easily get bored during scenes with characters I don't care about as much, and the scenes with my favorites never seem to last long enough to actually develop anything.
I'd guess that Peter is a favorite for many viewers. He's really into learning about his powers, and it's easy to see that he genuinely cares for the other characters. So an episode like yesterday's, that doesn't show Peter at all would seem like an "off" episode to anyone who enjoyed his character.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by graywolfe: it's not a perfect medium, and even the great one's go into the toilet at times, every single one of them.
You, my friend, have obviously not experienced the wonder that is Firefly.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Money, Dr Strangelove? How'd you invest money? (just an honest question)
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
"in what world would Nathan go get Peter after Peter died to save the Cheerleader and where Nathan had to apply political pressure to free him, but then Nathan never bother to see the girl?"
Oh, I could completely believe that. Nathan is incredibly self-centered, perfectly capable of dismissing or just not seeing anything that doesn't directly help or hurt him. He doesn't care what Peter was trying to do and might even have avoided being seen around the girl to prevent photo ops. Dunno if he did see her or not, don't remember, but I can totally believe he went for Peter and ignored everything that happened.
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
When the blonde stood up, the look on Ando's face alone was worth the price of admission.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I missed the first 10 episodes or so and either didn't know about them on NBC or got too frustrated by my slow internet connection, so bought them from iTunes and let them download while I slept.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Gotcha... ; )
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
When they saw her crying, I said, out loud, "Tell me her name is Hope." And when she told them her sad, sad story, I snorted and said, "False hope."
Maybe it's just a matter of them not being familiar with US culture, or maybe Hiro and Ando haven't watched enough TV, but that whole thing was fairly obvious.
Jessica knows that Matt is a telepath. It's the only explanation for how he could have heard her talking with Nikki. And she may be a psycho, but she's not stupid.
As far as Linderman wanting Nathan dead... I can think of two possible reasons. Make that three:
He found out about Nathan having an illegitimate child (because he's bugging Nathan's phone), and he wants to cut his losses
He found out that Nathan can fly, and wants to eliminate him because he has powers
He wants to force Nathan to use his powers, and doesn't actually plan for Jessica to succeed in the murder attempt
But I guess we'll see.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by graywolfe: it's not a perfect medium, and even the great one's go into the toilet at times, every single one of them.
You, my friend, have obviously not experienced the wonder that is Firefly.
Even Firefly wasn't perfect. One time... wait... okay, when they were... no, that was perfect, too. Huh. How about that? I guess you're right.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: As far as Linderman wanting Nathan dead... I can think of two possible reasons. Make that three:
He found out about Nathan having an illegitimate child (because he's bugging Nathan's phone), and he wants to cut his losses
He found out that Nathan can fly, and wants to eliminate him because he has powers
He wants to force Nathan to use his powers, and doesn't actually plan for Jessica to succeed in the murder attempt
But I guess we'll see.
1. If he found out about th illegitimate child, he could as easily "cut his losses" by doing nothing at all. 2. We obviously don't know Linderman very well, but from his actions so far I can't see him killing someone because they have powers. Jessie has them and he probably knows this by now. 3. Why would he want to force Nathan to use his powers? This could hurt his chances in the upcoming election, which Linderman has already paid for.
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
Firefly wasn't perfect. I hated "The Message". It had its moments, but the episode as a whole...very substandard.
Posted by graywolfe (Member # 3852) on :
quote:Originally posted by Avatar300: I think the biggest problem with Heroes is that it has so many characters, and they've almost all been around from the beginning. With so many characters it can be hard to give equal airtime while still moving the story along, and viewers are bound to like some but not others. With one main character this wouldn't be a problem, if you didn't like him or her you could quit watching and you probably wouldn't miss the show. But with Heroes, I really like a couple of characters, sort of like others, and really dislike a few as well.
So I can easily get bored during scenes with characters I don't care about as much, and the scenes with my favorites never seem to last long enough to actually develop anything.
I'd guess that Peter is a favorite for many viewers. He's really into learning about his powers, and it's easy to see that he genuinely cares for the other characters. So an episode like yesterday's, that doesn't show Peter at all would seem like an "off" episode to anyone who enjoyed his character.
As someone previously mentioned, it has that same issue "Lost" has. It's spread itself so thin with mini-storylines and characters all over the place, that it ends up being awful unless it sharpens its focus on a few particular characters. This works fine if its characters and storylines people are interested in. Jessica/Nikki is not one of those storylines. I don't know anyone whose actually interested anymore in the Larter storyline beyond one recent poster. Of course there are many of the other issues people have mentioned.
As for my issue with the whining. It's simple, I just come on here to read thoughts and ideas about whats going on, and reaction, I'm not really keen on reading about whether someones gonna stop watching it again for the second time. I could really care less about that. Of course my interests don't dictate the thread, and shouldn't, I just am not sure why anyone would care about whether someone is deciding to stop watching or not.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Honestly, I'm curious if the story has gone so bad that it is driving people away. If you're not, then maybe you should just ignore those posts. It's all relevant to the discussion about the show. I would only draw the line if someone does decide to stop watching and then keeps coming back to complain and ask why everyone else keeps watching.
Posted by happymann (Member # 9559) on :
Anyone else find the "Sulu" refrence hilarious?
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by happymann: Anyone else find the "Sulu" refrence hilarious?
I did! I did!
It was more of a <snort> than a 10 minute laugh session, but still, it was a 'well-played' moment and a good bit of subtle comic relief.
Posted by graywolfe (Member # 3852) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by graywolfe: it's not a perfect medium, and even the great one's go into the toilet at times, every single one of them.
You, my friend, have obviously not experienced the wonder that is Firefly.
Firefly lasted what, a 15 episode run? A series that short can pull it off. Blackadder's incarnations were flawless too, no doubt because they only needed to produce six episodes. If you try and create a series that is consistently great, you're gonna struggle to hold onto that consistency season to season with anything. The only shows that have avoided the pitfalls that I claimed (somewhat fallaciously) afflicted every single show are those that had short runs and were cancelled (Firefly to some, Freaks and Geeks to some) or British shows like Blackadder that automatically have short runs.
Posted by graywolfe (Member # 3852) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine: Honestly, I'm curious if the story has gone so bad that it is driving people away. If you're not, then maybe you should just ignore those posts. It's all relevant to the discussion about the show. I would only draw the line if someone does decide to stop watching and then keeps coming back to complain and ask why everyone else keeps watching.
Perhaps, I just don't see the point of going to the trouble of logging on, searching for the "Heroes" thread, and then posting about how much it sucks and you're not interested anymore and are going to stop watching. It seems like a lot of legwork for something you aren't interested in watching in the first place.
You're right about ignoring it, but you know pet peeves, they set you off, and that's one of mine, I just get annoyed when I see that sort of thing in threads. My own issue perhaps, that I should deal with instead of whining about. Maybe, but still, I do think it's annoying. I think I could deal with it better if it were merely presented as a straight criticism of certain particulars in the show....but your point is taken and it's as valid to me as to you and I'll take it into consideration.
So what are the main issues in general beyond being tired with certain characters, storylines, and episodes that don't effectively drive the plot and character development?
I heard a guy on radio discussing it last week, and his main complaint was that he felt it was intellectually vapid sci-fi, not nearly as creative, or as sophisticated as the best of Star Trek and other famous Sci-Fi shows, basically viewed it as like a McDonalds Big Mac of Sci-Fi, compared to Star Trek, or Fire Fly, or X-Files in its prime and other such series that could be considered the Filet Mignon, or Ribeye or of Sci-Fi.
Interesting perspective, particularly since I simply respond more viscerally to this show, than I do to sci-fi usually. I just enjoy it, and while it doesn't really engage me intellectually, it does engage me, although last nights would be a bad example. I just view it as a bit of a thrill ride, like 24, although with even less sophistication, and a thrill ride that's mostly fun.
Posted by Counter Bean (Member # 10176) on :
I like it
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
DAMN YOU BEAN COUNTER! YOU STOLE MY COMMENT! The Timeline HAS changed, its impossible for Nathan to have a scar if he has clairs powers, if Hiro had never sent Peter to save Clair, Clair WOULD have died and Syler would have gotten those powers leading to a very tiresome and possibly desparate running fight between the "Heroes" and the "Villains" where the Heroes while able to hold their own constantly struggle in the future original timeline against Sylar and his little army of misfits.
The Dystopic episode of Gargoyles springs to mind with Xanatopia.
Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
The genetics part of it is interesting to me. Both of Micah's parents have powers and both of Claire's. Nathan and Peter are brothers who have powers, but neither of their parents do (that we know so far). The rest (again, as far as we know) are the only and first ones in their families to have powers. Then there's the Niki and Jessica situation - are they separate people? If so, then they are sisters who both have powers, born to parents who don't.
I love Greg Grunberg, but the character is starting to grate on me. I just don't like sad sack types.
Sylar would be more of an effective villian if I could look away from his eyebrows. I have an eyebrow thing and it's just very distracting. Also, I think they're making him play the character a little too off. It makes the other characters annoying when they don't notice that he's obviously bonkers.
The Haitian is so spectacularly good-looking that I almost have to mute the t.v. when he talks because of that accent. The show needs more Haitian. Lots more Haitian.
Posted by Counter Bean (Member # 10176) on :
That is 'Counter Bean' Blayne... It seems that those with the Genetic Marker do have an attraction to each other, mere chance is not sufficient to account for both Clair and Micah being second generation already. Destiny could be the force in play, or as OSC speaking through Alvin Maker said, it could just be that folks with these knacks have a distortion effect on the world around them that bings them into proximity. Probability distortions seeking to balance each other.
I am also with those who believe Hiro's power lapse is a loss of confidence.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by graywolfe: So what are the main issues in general beyond being tired with certain characters, storylines, and episodes that don't effectively drive the plot and character development?
That's all kind of a lot right there!
What drew me to the show was that it's a sort of wish fulfillment story, isn't it? How many of us have imagined that we had some kind of superpower? And this story does one thing great -- it's not just something that pops up at adolescence. Even a 29-year-old old married lady like me can keep dreaming.
I mention all that because if I had to come up wtih the *main* issue I would say it's disappointment. It just doesn't live up to my fantasies. I keep watching because the potential remains and because I am engaged with several of the characters at this point (Hiro, Ando, Peter, Claire, Nathan, Mr. Bennett, and Matt)
quote: I heard a guy on radio discussing it last week, and his main complaint was that he felt it was intellectually vapid sci-fi, not nearly as creative, or as sophisticated as the best of Star Trek and other famous Sci-Fi shows, basically viewed it as like a McDonalds Big Mac of Sci-Fi, compared to Star Trek, or Fire Fly, or X-Files in its prime and other such series that could be considered the Filet Mignon, or Ribeye or of Sci-Fi.
Well, since I never thought Star Trek was sophisticated, this is difficult for me to accept. But then, that's a whole other thread!
No, I suppose this isn't intellectually challenging but I don't think everything has to be. In fact, sometimes I enjoy simplicity.
Posted by Counter Bean (Member # 10176) on :
I think Heroes is walking a fine line, they need to stay realistic, showing that one special power does not fit a life's worth of problems and make them go away. It has to show the fantastic as it pertains to the real world. It is my hope that eventually the Heroes will evolve into a 'go too' team for crisis management and such so when that happens all this becomes background, it is good that the build up is slow and steady, it makes it more believable. Instead of having to swallow it whole from the beginning.
I do wonder if Mohandar is observant enough to spot Sylar's watch...
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
As much as I like the TV show Heroes, "realistic" is not a word I would ever apply to it.
Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 5108) on :
quote:So what are the main issues in general beyond being tired with certain characters, storylines, and episodes that don't effectively drive the plot and character development?
I think these are the main issues, and I also thing they're very important. Anyone of them would be enough to drive viewers away over time. Right now people are in the habit of watching Heroes every Monday night, but what happens next year when people have been doing something completely different for an entire summer?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
i would suggest that Nikki's power is somethign that possibly merged with Chimeraism (2 embryos merging together) but it seems like Jessica IS a real person who died when Nikki was veyr very young.
Could it be possilbe Nikki had a power to merge the mind of someone else into her along with their power? We know its possible to transfer powers.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Was Jessica just Nikki's sister, or was she her twin?
Posted by Counter Bean (Member # 10176) on :
I am sure it is a split personality with roots in the parental abuse and the loss of her sister, the strength of character that allowed the Jessica persona to deal with the abuse also was a better mental fit when her physical power developed. So Jessica started out as a protector personality, but she eventually staged a military coupe and imprisoned the more nuturing and compassionate Nikki.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:I am sure it is a split personality with roots in the parental abuse and the loss of her sister.
But that doesn't explain why Jessica has a tatoo on her back and Niki does not.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
I think it's a possession sort of thing; I love Jessica so much! When she's in her uber mode, she's super cool.
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
I'm starting to wonder if super strength is Nikki's real power, suffering from split personality is something separate. Jessica isn't the special ability she has received, but more like the agent that she is using to activate her special ability - like Isaac with the heroine. If she can overcome this dependency on her split personality, she may be able to manifest her abilities as Nikki.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
I really, really hope that Jessica is more than just a mental disorder. Super strength alone is quite boring. Nor does it explain the marking difference.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by gnixing: I'm starting to wonder if super strength is Nikki's real power, suffering from split personality is something separate. Jessica isn't the special ability she has received, but more like the agent that she is using to activate her special ability - like Isaac with the heroine. If she can overcome this dependency on her split personality, she may be able to manifest her abilities as Nikki.
I've been wondering this for a while.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Well, when she broke the nightstick, it seemed like she was still Nikki. So maybe she already can.
Posted by Luet13 (Member # 9274) on :
Sorry if this has been noted before.
Has anyone else noticed that Jessica's tattoo is in the same shape as the genetic marker program that Mohinder found in his dad's office in India? I've been wondering what that means for a while.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I hadn't noticed that, Luet. Thanks for pointing it out.
I thought for a while that Nikki/Jessie was just a multiple personalities thing but now I am leaning towards some kind of possession. I've been wondering if that is Jessie's power. My theory is that Nikki has the strength and Jessie is using it as she possesses the body while Nikki is too scared to use it or stand up for herself.
Posted by Launchywiggin (Member # 9116) on :
same marking on hiro's kitana, also.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
And the Hatian's necklace?
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Couple of idea's I have.
First, I think a cool route to go is that Nikki has the ability to make manifest dead people in her body, while Jessica has super strength. I doubt thise is the way they are going to go.
Edit: Ignore that last bit.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
we also for a fact know there is indeed 2 separate people within Nikki.
Posted by Launchywiggin (Member # 9116) on :
I've always disliked the "mirror" scenes to show multiple personalities. It's a total cliché--and shouldn't the multiple personalities be exclusive? They shouldn't be able to talk to each other.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
I thought multiple personalities could communicate with each other ... I've heard cases described in which all the personalities were aware of each other, like a little family or community. But that's just anecdotal, I guess ...
Posted by Counter Bean (Member # 10176) on :
One wonders how Jessica applies her make-up
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Well, there is the question of whether this is a case of multiple personalities or possession...and I'm leaning to the latter. Mirrors may be cliche in showing the possessed person fighting to get out, but it's really the most vivid method.
As for Multiple personalities -- sometimes they can talk to one another and sometimes they don't. In severe cases, there are often personalities that are completely unaware of the rest and others that know all the rest.
Posted by Launchywiggin (Member # 9116) on :
I guess I was wrong. It just makes sense to me that if you actually had multiple personalities, you wouldn't know about it. Like the saying "crazy people don't know they're crazy".
Who's excited about tomorrow night?!
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Launchywiggin: I guess I was wrong. It just makes sense to me that if you actually had multiple personalities, you wouldn't know about it. Like the saying "crazy people don't know they're crazy".
This may be getting off topic, but as this is something I have always been pretty interested in...multiple personalities is actually not completely crazy. In fact, the fragmenting of the mind into different personalities is a coping mechanism that can take place when a very young person with a developing brain faces extremely severe trauma (extreme extreme extreme...I can't emphasize extreme enough). Sometimes the crazy thing would be to try to stay whole and deal with things that no human should have to deal with, let alone a small child.
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But yeah, I'm looking forward to tomorrow night. I'm hoping Nathan comes out from his hidey-hole.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
THAT was more like it.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Yeah, that was quite awesome. Next week looks neat too. I was quite sad to see Hiro leave Ando behind, but I understand his logic in doing so.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
woohoo! but ya noooo Simon got shot that was sad. I wonder if they end up going to the alternate "original" timeline and find simon still alive.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Andos not going to go back hes gonna follow Hiro.
Posted by Vasslia Cora (Member # 7981) on :
That was great! Now I just need jump 166 hours 50 minutes into the future... But that would mean I miss Lost Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
So jump ahead to Lost, watch it, then jump ahead to Heroes. Posted by Vasslia Cora (Member # 7981) on :
But run the risk of jumping weeks farther then I want, of course if I jump far enough I could buy the DVDs. Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
I really hate the stupid "clips from next week brought to you by windows vista" It is annoying that they feel the need to put the clips in tiny little windows in order to make it look like vista.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
I'm with you, Lupus...
Posted by Chord (Member # 10122) on :
The saying was "Someone dies." Dale already died this episode, but are we to assume Simone does as well? Peter has a lot of powers, some of which might be able to save her. Perhaps I am forgetting it showing her fully die, though.
Posted by Luet13 (Member # 9274) on :
I thought tonight's episode was great. I am really looking forward to next week. It seems like things are picking up again. I wonder when or if Mohinder is ever going to figure out that "Zane" is Sylar.
And Blayne, you confused me for a minute there. I couldn't for the life of me figure out who "Simon" was. Then it hit me: You meant Simone.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Mohinder's not an idiot. Obviously Dale had super hearing. It won't take too long before he realizes that "Zane" also has super hearing now, since it didn't seem like Sylar could really control it. I think what likely will happen is that he'll get suspicious and then take a hair or something and test the DNA and realize that something is amiss.
And Peter definitely was not too nice here. I think its very likely him and Isaac will become enemies, probably with one of them actively working against the other. That would really suck for Peter to be a villain.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I have a feeling Simone does not die. We saw Dale die, that covers the "someone dies" from the preview, and we specifically saw her still breathing - I think that Peter is going to manifest an ability to save her.
I'm not sure how, I just get the feeling she isn't going to die.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
maybe through an empathic link he can direct claires healing ability to heal other people?
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
I don't think Peter did anything wrong. The way he saw it is this drug addict betrayed him to Bennett in order to get him out of the way so he could have Simone. I'd understand why he would be pissed, particularly because he saw it as ruining his chance to control his powers.
As for the healing. Sylar talks about being able to see what is wrong and "fix it." Maybe Sylar's ability could be used to heal other people...Sylar just chooses not to use it that way.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Peter did a lot wrong. While he is a good guy, and had a justification for being upset, he should not use his powers for harm. Take Hiro, for example. Hiro is the altruistic good guy, and had he been in Peters situation he would have avoided the conflict. Peter on the other hand choose to engage in conflict rather than attempt to understand the situation and try to resolve it without the use of power. When you use that kind of power to force people around, you inherently misuse the power you have, and a misuse of power is corruption. There was plenty of reason that Peter could see why Isaac did what he was doing, but he didn't want to listen. He was blinded by anger at loosing InvisiWho and full of envy over Simone. In otherwords, he pulled an Anakin Skywalker.
Posted by EKR (Member # 9545) on :
Exactly what I referenced at in an earlier post T_Smith! (referring to Anakin) Somehow I think Peter is going to be the villain in the years to come....
Perhaps Hiro's time travel to visit past Peter was an attempt to prevent Peter from becoming evil.
According to www.herosite.net, Peter's hairstyle is supposed to change by the end of the season. Perhaps Sylar may get a hold of him, try to do the whole brain snatchy thing and for some odd reason Peter isn't able to fully recover... resulting in a SCAR. That could explain a vast physical difference between Hiro's past Peter and future Peter. Peter could be the next Lex Luthor, so to speak.
~Earl
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
People like Dale have been dying in droves since the show began. She wouldn't be worth a promo. Simone is dead.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
My problem with the promo:
"Someone will fly" And use telekenesis. And stopped time for a moment. And went invisible. Plus, he held his own training with Claude, saved him from Bennett, and did a number on Isaac's apartment. Flying didn't quite cover it.
"Someone will die" But we won't tell you for sure if it was a major character you like or just some red shirt we brought in for that purpose.
I really don't trust the promos. They don't quite lie, but it's close.
Speaking of lying, I LOVED seeing the Claire/Bennett show down. She is so right. You don't just get to say you're sorry and have everything be ok again. Sometimes you should have to deal with the consequences of what you've done. And it looks like Mr. Bennett will have to next week. *cheers*
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
The audience is already set on Peter as a good guy. They'll hint at it, make it a possibility, but they won't do it.
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
Hero's who make mistakes and aren't good all the time, and people who do bad things for the "right" reasons. Who knows maybe next they try to have some characters learn from their mistakes. Peter is a good guy who will use this as a lesson.
Now that it seems Peter has a great deal of control over his powers, does this mean he won't blow up NY? Will Simone's death drive him away so he doesn't hurt anyone else?
This week was definitely back on track after a few weeks of slow "filler" episodes and next week looks like it will be great, but some how I don't think it will live up to the trailer. I have a feeling all of our questions won't be answered.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I can say without reservation (for the first time in a while) that I liked yesterday's show. For one thing, Nikki/Jessie wasn't in it.
Seriously, though, it was great from the first minute to the last. Peter kicked some butt, Claire and Bennett faced off, Matt gets involved with some crazy fringe "heroes" and I'm curious to see how far they may take him towards the dark side. Hiro managed to use his power again! (I knew he didn't really need that silly sword.) He and Ando have some tension, but I'm sure they'll resolve it...
As for Peter and Isaac...that was my favorite part. I'm actually a bit surprised at some of the reactions I've read here. I didn't see anything wrong with Peter confronting Isaac, who betrayed him over a woman. (I'm sure he cares about New York, but if he were thinking clearly he would have tried to paint more information about the destruction rather than doing a dedicated man hunt.) Peter never hurt Isaac. He may have been angry and meant to scare him, but I'm quite all right with that action. No, he's not Hiro, but I'm pretty sure Hiro isn't who Hiro is going to be yet, either. They're all still learning to deal with this and figuring it out.
As for Simone...I both liked and disliked that she was the one who died. Since I didn't care much about her as a character, I was glad that it wasn't someone I liked who died. On the other hand, I found the death scene meaningless and contrived. (Okay...okay...so I lied in the first paragraph about having no reservations, but it's just a nit.)
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
poor Peter and poor Isaac. I think this is show is working its way up to some nonestop action.
But nonetheless, lets analysize syler here.
How do you sneak up on a guy who can hear the tiniest movement in your body? Its not just a heartbeat, thats only after she manged to control it a little I have no doubt that yo could hear every tiniest fraction of muscular and bonemovement knowing in way each move your going to make.
Telekenisis? Meh its fightable, ability to liquify metal? Its situational would be more useful if it was also possible to reverse it.
Also he apparenlty has some ability to not make noise as he moves around.
He can move fast and jump some pretty good distances.
Quite the challenge.
Thankfully we know at least that Peter can counter each and every one of these and more, although a few of Peters ability ala invisiibility is sorta useless if he can hear you.
Posted by Chord (Member # 10122) on :
"There weren't any [footsteps]" because he using the telekenisis on himself to float (as I understood it).
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: Peter did a lot wrong. While he is a good guy, and had a justification for being upset, he should not use his powers for harm. Take Hiro, for example. Hiro is the altruistic good guy, and had he been in Peters situation he would have avoided the conflict. Peter on the other hand choose to engage in conflict rather than attempt to understand the situation and try to resolve it without the use of power. When you use that kind of power to force people around, you inherently misuse the power you have, and a misuse of power is corruption. There was plenty of reason that Peter could see why Isaac did what he was doing, but he didn't want to listen. He was blinded by anger at loosing InvisiWho and full of envy over Simone. In otherwords, he pulled an Anakin Skywalker.
George Lucas's biggest crime is furthering the nonsensical idea that you have to be a saint or a villain. Either you're lily pure like Luke, or you're a blackhearted babykiller like Anakin.
Crap.
Peter is a good person. He got angry. Getting angry does not make a person an Anakin Skywalker.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by AvidReader: "Someone will fly" And use telekenesis. And stopped time for a moment.
Did he? I thought he stopped the taser with telekinesis.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I think he did stop it with telekinesis, but that's interesting that he may have also used time stoppage. I'd completely forgot that he should be able to use Hiro's power also, since he met him.
As for Hiro, what the heck did he do anyways? It looked like it wasn't just stopping time. It looked like it was either localized to the gun, allowing the guy to rush her, or he actually made the bullet move. Just going from my memory of the scene, I'm inclined to believe it was localized. Which is vvveerryyy interesting.
I'm really glad the little tick marks on peoples necks are tracking things. I thought that they might somehow try to give Bennet credit for "activating" the heroes powers, but that idea was nixed.
Simone will die. It would piss way too many people off to have her live, while I don't know that anyone would quit watched the show if she dies. And I don't think Peter can focus his abilities and give them to other people. He has to have a limit. And that makes me sad that his hair will evidently change! I've cultivated the Peter Patrelli look and now it's going to be gone.
I think they've answered a lot of questions with these past shows, while not immediately setting up more pressing ones, while at the same time leaving quite a few unanswered. Such as what the heck Sylar's power is. According to Mohinders dad, Sylar doesn't have one. And according to the doctor when Sylar was captured, the only one he had was telekinesis. But he obviously just picked up two powers really quickly, and since he's been doing this for a while he probably does have quite a few. But, none of them show up in his DNA or whatever. It's kind of confusing.
Anyone else kind of get a "Feast for Crows" type feeling from the episode before last nights? I just hope GRRM comes through with the next book like Heroes did with this episode.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I think that Sylar swallowed a poison pill with the hearing. Dale was the name of the woman with the hearing power.
I hope radiation guy has some control or he will soon need a new team...
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
I'm surprised to not see it mentioned here, but was anyone else excited to see Stan Lee? I don't know how involved he is going to be - since he doesn't show up in the IMDB cast list and doesn't appear to be credited anywhere. But, just the fact that he made an appearance gives me goosebumps.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I thought that was him! Haha!
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
My theory on Hiro: This is a new ability of his that we haven't seen before. He actually backed up, then jumped to another branch of the timeline — a different reality, in which the corrupt gaming-commission guy was alive, and could tackle Hope. He essentially rejected the version of reality he was in, and unconsciously moved to another, where he had a better chance of survival.
Posted by Vasslia Cora (Member # 7981) on :
I thought it was cool Stan Lee was there
Also I just figured that Hiro did what he did to the clock in the first episode.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
nice.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by gnixing: I'm surprised to not see it mentioned here, but was anyone else excited to see Stan Lee? I don't know how involved he is going to be - since he doesn't show up in the IMDB cast list and doesn't appear to be credited anywhere. But, just the fact that he made an appearance gives me goosebumps.
It was just a cameo. His name appeared in the credits at the beginning, so I was expecting him.
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: It was just a cameo. His name appeared in the credits at the beginning, so I was expecting him.
Yes, I was also looking for him after seeing his name pass through in the credits. Still... as far as I am concerned, he's an icon in the comic book world, and I'm hoping that his cameo means future involvement from him with the show.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: Peter did a lot wrong. While he is a good guy, and had a justification for being upset, he should not use his powers for harm. Take Hiro, for example. Hiro is the altruistic good guy, and had he been in Peters situation he would have avoided the conflict. Peter on the other hand choose to engage in conflict rather than attempt to understand the situation and try to resolve it without the use of power. When you use that kind of power to force people around, you inherently misuse the power you have, and a misuse of power is corruption. There was plenty of reason that Peter could see why Isaac did what he was doing, but he didn't want to listen. He was blinded by anger at loosing InvisiWho and full of envy over Simone. In otherwords, he pulled an Anakin Skywalker.
George Lucas's biggest crime is furthering the nonsensical idea that you have to be a saint or a villain. Either you're lily pure like Luke, or you're a blackhearted babykiller like Anakin.
Crap.
Peter is a good person. He got angry. Getting angry does not make a person an Anakin Skywalker.
Was Anakin prior to bowing down before Darth Sidious and declaring himself Lord Vader, lily pure or blackhearted babykiller? I may have misinterpreted the movie based upon my own judgements, experiences, and decisions and made a bad analogy if that's the case.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
You guys are right - I just finished re-watching it (DVR is a beautiful thing) and Simone is definitely dead.
Unless he goes back in time to change it, but after establishing that Hiro couldn't do that to save Charlie, I hope they don't do that.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
I think the hearing is going to be bad for him at first; until he learns to control it, like she did. There is a lot of "subtle" product placement in the show, though.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Yeah. Seeing that iPod in a pool of blood sure made want to go out and buy one just like it...
Well, actually no it didn't.
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
You know you want to hop into your Versa and go to the Apple store.
Personally, I want a pigeon.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Yeah, I was thinking about that. There must be money involved somewhere, if a product is being given that kind of casual exposure, but the blood kinda took away from it.
Alone, I'd have not thought much more. Yet, there are other products referenced. ^^;;
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote:Still... as far as I am concerned, he's an icon in the comic book world, and I'm hoping that his cameo means future involvement from him with the show.
*shudder* His era has passed, you realize. There's a reason Gary Gygax no longer designs RPG supplements for WotC, too.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Simone is not dead. At least not according to Michael Ausiello. On the other hand, she isn't going to recover, so yeah, Isaac did kill her.
Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
The woman who plays Simone was quoted in an article (I'll find it and link) about how she had been taken aside and told that her character was going to be killed off, and then she spent the entire time during filming crying.
It kinda bothers me that Sylar while pretending to be just a normal guy with Mohinder does a terrible job acting the part. He comes across as at best, off and at worst, creepy, even when he is trying to be comforting.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:The 30-year-old actress has been in tears on and off ever since show creator Tim Kring informed her in December of Simone's fate. "My story line just wasn't there," she acknowledges. "They just couldn't figure out where to go with Simone."
This worries me. I have been wondering all along how much planning the writers have done. I know Simone was a very small part of the show but still, it makes me wonder how much planning they've done in general. This is a complex show and when you haven't properly planned it out you risk inconsistencies, plot holes, and writing yourself into a corner.
Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 5108) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: It kinda bothers me that Sylar while pretending to be just a normal guy with Mohinder does a terrible job acting the part. He comes across as at best, off and at worst, creepy, even when he is trying to be comforting.
I thought he was supposed to be off and creepy, he's insane.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Avatar300:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: It kinda bothers me that Sylar while pretending to be just a normal guy with Mohinder does a terrible job acting the part. He comes across as at best, off and at worst, creepy, even when he is trying to be comforting.
I thought he was supposed to be off and creepy, he's insane.
Yes but he has to present himself as normal or else Mohinder would be hesitant to take him.
Plenty of insane people can act perfectly normal. Ted Bundy is a good example.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Mohinder seems aware that Sylar is kind of creepy. I think he has been thrown so far because he doesn't know what to expect from people with these extraordinary abilities so he is giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'm hoping it doesn't take more than one more episode for Mohinder to figure out that something is seriously wrong.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Plenty of insane people can act perfectly normal. Ted Bundy is a good example.
I was unaware that Ted Bundy had been diagnosed with any mental illness, so technically he wasn't insane. Of course that assumes a definition of sane which could encompass serial killers.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
It is interesting (to me at least) to note that this week's 'graphic novel' confirmed that Sylar did indeed kill Hiro's friend from Texas and her death wasn't the result of some other kind of accident.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I didn't think that was ever in doubt.
Posted by Elmer's Glue (Member # 9313) on :
Peter definitely used telekinesis to stop the tazer. When I first saw it I was all excited that he was using Hiro's power, but then Invisoguy was moving in the background and when the camera went back to Bennett and the Haitian they were moving too.
I saw Stan Lee in the opening credits and I was confused for a second and thought he was a producer or something. I think it's great how Hiro is with all these nerd icons.
I don't believe for a second that Ando is gone for good. He well probably be back just in time to save Hiro.
Everyone seems to be taking Ted's power way too lightly. He is too dangerous to be hanging out with. He wouldn't even have to intend to kill you and he could give you cancer, or blow you up.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I think he's learned to control it a lot better.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Some comments to things I've read:
Thank god they are going to cut Peter's hair, it's bothered me more than most things in the show.
I think Peter did use time stopping to stop the taser, from the way it slowed and stopped, and the lack of reaction from Bennet and Haitian, it seemed like time powers to me. Given how he's used telekinesis thus far, as a blunt instrument, it seems more likely.
Christine - Not thinking Star Trek is sophisticated depends on which series you're watching and how much you're paying attention, because it's definetely there.
Lisa - Luke and Anakin weren't nearly so one dimensional figures. Luke moreso than Anakin. If anything, Star Wars was all about a discussion on grey areas and the rationale used to defend them rather than everything being all good or all evil. Obi-Wan was the posterchild for that.
I thought the last couple episodes were friggin awesome. Even Parkman and Niki managed not to annoy me. I can't wait for the last two episodes, but I'm going to die waiting for next season.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote: Christine - Not thinking Star Trek is sophisticated depends on which series you're watching and how much you're paying attention, because it's definetely there.
I know what's there. I mostly watched TNG, but I was definitely into it until I started watching other scifi shows and saw what scifi could be and could do. If you want to explore this more fully, start a Star Trek thread and I'll share my full thoughts. I don't want to clutter this one up, though.
You dug that comment up from a while back...I think we were discussing whether or not Heroes is sophisticated and I'd say not really, no. This is a simple concept and a very simple execution with very little depth. I am increasingly of the opinion that the writers have done very little planning, which could come back to bite them pretty hard. Still...it's got promise and this week's episode was very good.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
For the record, I love the show. However, the reference to the woman's blood sample being sequenced by the Human Genome Project and thus being able to track her and her ability, ugh.
That part is just absurd. I just had to say it because the show's incorrect references to genetics have been getting more and more annoying.
They should really give up the references to the Human Genome Project.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote:Plenty of insane people can act perfectly normal. Ted Bundy is a good example.
I was unaware that Ted Bundy had been diagnosed with any mental illness, so technically he wasn't insane. Of course that assumes a definition of sane which could encompass serial killers.
Exactly. Where did it say anywhere that Sylar is mentally insane? I just think we assume that because he kills alot of people he is insane. But then again all the people he kills have something he wants. So its not as if he kills randomly.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote:Plenty of insane people can act perfectly normal. Ted Bundy is a good example.
I was unaware that Ted Bundy had been diagnosed with any mental illness, so technically he wasn't insane. Of course that assumes a definition of sane which could encompass serial killers.
Exactly. Where did it say anywhere that Sylar is mentally insane? I just think we assume that because he kills alot of people he is insane. But then again all the people he kills have something he wants. So its not as if he kills randomly.
Sort of. He certainly started out this way...killing for personal gain (which, while not what most people would consider moral, is an age-old part of human nature). The thing is, that he has gone another step and seems to be taking pleasure in it now. Remember when he was with Claire's mom and he said he was trying to decide whether or not to kill her? He was toying with her...having fun with it. Now, he didn't go through with killing her (or even Mr. Bennett, who I thought would get it for sure), but the point is that he has been tinged with evil that goes beyond killing for gain. He's sadistic.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
But don't forget it was Mr. Bennett that kidnapped Sylar and was mercilessly keeping him on the verge of death.
Sylar loves having power, it would be maddening if somebody made you into their helpless prisoner. I think he saw Mrs. Bennet more as a way to get back at Mr. Bennet. Notice his plan was to get to Clair and leave Mr. Bennet alive to know that he had killed her. Also he broke Mrs. Bennets cellphone and tossed her into a cabinet, as well as scaring her with his voice.
We still do not know if he planned to kill her outright.
Sylar does not fit the role of a sadist IMO. He does not torture his victims, indeed he seems to very quickly and efficiently open their heads and work on their brains until he has their powers. He does not do any unnecessary damage to them.
He does not take trophies, though you could argue taking their powers might constitute taking one.
If Sylar was a racist who killed people because of their ethnicity, or if Sylar was a common street thug who killed others for their money, we probably would not call him crazy.
His actions are very calculated which also points alittle bit more towards sane. Genuinely crazy people usually do not do things in an efficient manner.
Perhaps Sadism still falls within the realm of the sane.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
...which is a frightening conclusion.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Phanto: ...which is a frightening conclusion.
Not necessarily, do you laugh at other people's misfortune to a degree? That to me is at least a lesser form of sadism, and it has wide spread acceptance. The only thing most people balk at is being the actual cause of the person's misfortune, as we are not culpable then when the person gets hurt. We can take that even to the extreme of laughing when we unintentionally hurt somebody in a non permanent manner.
If my grandma tripped and fell on me she would literally render herself unable to do ANYTHING with her laughing until we had both starved to death. The fact she is fully aware that her laughter is making the situation worse only makes her laugh harder; its a terrible, vicious cycle.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Exactly. Where did it say anywhere that Sylar is mentally insane?
I though I remembered Bennett making such a comment when they had Sylar inprisoned. Something to the effect that all the changes to his DNA corrupting his brain.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:do you laugh at other people's misfortune to a degree? That to me is at least a lesser form of sadism, and it has wide spread acceptance.
No, I do *not* laugh at other people's misfortunes. I know that many people do, but I do not like this at all and do not understand why it is socially acceptable.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Do you laugh at other people's misfortune to a degree? That to me is at least a lesser form of sadism, and it has wide spread acceptance.
No, Sadism is defined as "a sexual perversion in which gratification is obtained by the infliction of physical or mental pain on others".
Sadism necessarily implies that you enjoy inflicting pain on others. To laugh or even be wryly amused at anothers misfortune is not akin to enjoying inflicting pain on others. What you are talking about is Schadenfreude and it is fundamentally different from Sadism.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
I'm giddy right now... I hope the rest of this episode is as giddiness-inspiring!!!
edit: i'm ridiculously entertained right now!!!
[ February 26, 2007, 09:20 PM: Message edited by: cmc ]
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Indeed. Lots to be giddy about at least right now. Hopefully the second halfish will be as good.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
I'm practically speechless right now. My Dad just called... He's all - it's a good thing I'm recording for your Mother right now.
I can't believe how much info was just packed into the first 20 minutes!!!
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Wow, that was just a great episode. So much awesome stuff. Just so awesome. This is why I like the show.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Couldn't agree with you more, pfresh85!!!
How about Simone in the preview for next week!?!
Goodness... I'm loving this show...
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Holy crap.
That was amazing!
Next week looks just as amazing!
Haven't seen that many bombs dropped since Bomberman came out!
Amazing that Hiro's father is part of Bennett's company, and I'd guess that Peter finds a way to heal Simone, I can't imagine she ends up being a Hero herself.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Yeah, the preview for next week look great too. It's interesting to hear them say it's a set up for the last segment/arc of the season. It does match with the interview I read with Tim Kring, who was talking about the three separate pods in the first volume (pod one was episodes 1-11, pod two was/will be 12-18, and pod three will be 19-23). I'm excited.
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
BEST EPISODE YET!
And it looks like its only going to get better!
I love when the heroes' stories intertwine. I'd rather watch one solid storyline per week than jumping back and forth every five minutes.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
HOLY #(&*^@#*$ that was incredible!
It makes me like the character of Mr. Bennett all the more, now that we know for sure that even his morally questionable acts stemmed from a love of his surrogate (and yet, in many ways, REAL) daughter.
I'm one person who won't be able to get to sleep for a while after that much excitement. I'm all wired up now.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
It certainly has become a better show in the past couple of weeks.
Things happen! Lots of things! Plots are advanced, even. It's good to see.
I've had to make a mental switch though: "Radiation in the Heroes world is not like the radiation in our world. For some reason their hair isn't falling out, nor is their skin sloughing off, but that's okay for some reason."
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Yeah, the radiation thing was niggling in the back of my mind in the entire episode. But I think we just have to accept it. Aren't there any kinds of radiation that can cause heat like that without causing radiation sickness? Microwave radiation maybe? I don't know, but I've chosen to stop worrying about it. It's no more outlandish than a guy who flies.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: I'd guess that Peter finds a way to heal Simone, I can't imagine she ends up being a Hero herself.
It's a dream sequence, I'm guessing. Simone is gone.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I was talking about it with a friend afterwards and we came up with dream sequence too. I'd forgotten that I'd read elsewhere that she was leaving the show. But I'm 100% sure you're right, it is a dream sequence.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: I'd guess that Peter finds a way to heal Simone, I can't imagine she ends up being a Hero herself.
It's a dream sequence, I'm guessing. Simone is gone.
This was my thought when I saw the preview, too. I just don't believe they'd be cheesy enough to bring her back to life for real.
But...what a great episode!! It is definitely my favorite so far. Every moment kept me on the edge of my seat. There was action, revelations, real people faced with tough decisions...
Even though I was curious what was happening with Hiro and Peter, I liked that they focused this episode on one thing. I think if they had interrupted this with Nikki or even Peter, I would have been too impatient to care what they were doing last night.
So....Hiro's father is in on all this, too. I wonder if he knows about his son's power.
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
I agree the best show yet. The single storyline was much better and allowed them to advance the plot much faster. Of course I’d hate to have to watch an entire episode with Nikki.
The radiation thing bothered me too. Everyone, (except Clair) in that house should have major radiation sickness at the very least, but I let it go and enjoyed the show. After all it is a person generating the radiation, if I can accept that, I guess I'll have to accept the rest. Hopefully they will throw in a couple of lines in the next show to explain why they aren't all dead.
Mr. Bennett turned out to be a much better person than I have thought. Allowing himself to get shot and memory erased to help save his daughter.
Is the company going to start using the mind reading cop as Bennett's or the other guy's new partner?
I am guessing the Haitian and Clair will end up in New York at some point.
I hope they don't bring Simone back after all the "someone will die" hype. They like to try trick people with the previews so it probably won’t happen.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I think Mr. Bennett and the cop will be teaming up soon. I'm sure that the shooting and memory leak was meant to make it seem (to the company) that the Haitian had betrayed them even further and escaped with Clair.
I have a feeling the Haitian and Clair will end up in New York very soon.
Anyone have any idea who this other boss is...the one giving counter-orders to the invisible man and the Haitian?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
What other boss?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
It does also explain a little Hiro's hero-obsession. I'm sure that wasn't the only time he overheard his father talking about powers.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine: Anyone have any idea who this other boss is...the one giving counter-orders to the invisible man and the Haitian?
Someone who has a vested interest in protecting Claire, it seems. I'm guessing it's Future-Peter. He can time travel, after all.
It's possible that it's Linderman, I suppose. He does like giving orders. Maybe Linderman and Hiro's father are rivals? Partners who don't always agree?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: What other boss?
The Haitian told Bennett that his (Bennett's) instructions to wipe Claire's memory had been superseded by a higher authority.
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
Okay, I dreamed Heroes all night.
I did wake up with one question: if Bennett believed Claire's parents had died in the fire, why did he go to all the trouble of having actors come and pretend to be her biological parents? Why wouldn't he have just said that she was adopted because her parents died in a fire? It seems like it would've been a lot less trouble and would've put an end to her trying to find them. Well, for a while at least. Was he just so used to lying to Claire "to protect her" that he automatically went there?
I guess it's not really a question that can be answered, just a feeling that the writers wanted to throw something in there to throw us off without thinking it through.
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
I think Bennett knew Clair's Mom got away. In the flashback they something about it.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I don't know, I didn't get the impression it was that kind of boss.
It's entirely possible that the higher authority the Haitian was talking about was his own moral center, the kind of higher authority that caused Claude to rebel against Bennett's organization.
Whoever it is seems friendly to Heroes. And I don't think that automatically inclues Linderman, who has only his self interests at heart, especially if he's truly the leader of Bennett's organization, which also isn't assured. I wonder though...
If the Haitian was only following orders from INSIDE the organization, why did he run? Just to save Claire? Does the Haitian feel such incredible loyalty to that girl that he'd supercede the authority of the organization to save her? It's possible, and if that's the case, I think the Haitian is his own higher authority.
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
quote:Originally posted by SC Carver: I think Bennett knew Clair's Mom got away. In the flashback they something about it.
Really? I thought I remembered them saying that the baby's parents died in the fire. Or at least her mother. It seemed to me that Bennett really believed the baby was orphaned.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote:I think Bennett knew Clair's Mom got away. In the flashback they something about it.
According to this week's graphic novel on the website, Hell's Angel, it looks like Bennett really did think Claire's mom died in the fire.
However, it still looks like maybe Claude knew that the mom survived.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
The dream sequence thing... That happened with Simone's Dad too, right?
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Ok, where can I get the previews for next week? I was watching Firefly with some people who'd never watched it last night, so I just finished watching Heroes on the website this morning.
This was an excellent episode. I think maybe others have actually had more overall revelations. I mean, the only really new stuff we learned was directly pertaining to Bennet. But this one was just good. Almost movie-esque good.
I'm really curious about the Leonard Nimoy looking guy. They didn't ever give a name, did they? That wouldn't be Linderman I suppose ... I wonder if he'll play a prominent part or if they kept him nameless because we'll never see him again. I'm curious as to the new hero's power. Very promising is words I like to hear.
I loved the scene with the glasses. That was neat, seeing him try on the other ones and then when he tried on the horn rimmed glasses it was just like BAM! thats him.
The radiation thing bothered me too, but it was just so ... in your face that I can't imagine it's just an oversight of the writers. They knew what they were doing and will either explain it, or expect us to shrug it off, which, after such a good overall episode, I'm more than happy to do.
Did it look to anyone else like the Hatians shot went that two inches higher?
I'll be happy if this whole single storyline trend holds. Even though I really dislike Nikkis storyline, I think the reason I dislike it so much is because it seems like it never goes anywhere. If she were given a whole show, not only would we see more of Micah, but they would (hopefully) be forced to make her interesting and make things actually happen.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote: I'm really curious about the Leonard Nimoy looking guy.
I think you're referring to Eric Roberts. I don't recall them giving a name for the character either, but the spoiler sites have been mentioning Roberts' eventual entry onto the show for awhile - it might even have come up on this thread.
Posted by Walleo77 (Member # 9361) on :
Ok. Last nights episode was, hmmmm, I will try to quote the young man on the trike in The Incredibles. "THAT WAS TOTALLY WICKED". (I hope that's right.) Awesome show.I knew Bennette loved Claire but I figured where he worked and what he did got in the way of him showing his love for his daughter. Anyway, I need to go and watch it again. Also, I think I missed something. Did the show say who Caude was hiding? I think I remember a reference to Claire but I'm not sure. Also, how about the idea that the Heroe's will be fighting the company that Bennett worked for? I like the questions that were answered and I am excited about next weeks show. I think that Linderman will probably make or break the Jessica/Nicky character. Man what a long week this will be.
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
quote:Originally posted by JennaDean:
quote:Originally posted by SC Carver: I think Bennett knew Clair's Mom got away. In the flashback they something about it.
Really? I thought I remembered them saying that the baby's parents died in the fire. Or at least her mother. It seemed to me that Bennett really believed the baby was orphaned.
I'll have to go back and look again, I've been wrong before.
Back to the original point, If Bennett wanted Clair to stop looking into her biological parents, then telling her they died in a fire would have been the best way, even if he thought they were still alive.
I guess the writers wanted to continue explore that story so they left it open. Later she can figure out who her dad is and how he is related to Peter, if she doesn't already know. At some point she confront him. That’s what will bring her to NY.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote: Back to the original point, If Bennett wanted Clair to stop looking into her biological parents, then telling her they died in a fire would have been the best way, even if he thought they were still alive.
I think that Mr. Bennett did this because he thought it would make Clair less likely to keep up the search. Think about it...if he said they had died then she would have gone looking, which, in fact, she did do as soon as the Haitian told her this fact. If the Haitian hadn't stepped in and told her the truth, she might have left well enough alone.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Good point Christine
Posted by sarahdipity (Member # 3254) on :
So I think I like the show the more and more things become less black and white. I'm a big fan of moral ambiguity. Earlier in the show I couldn't really care about any of the characters. I mostly watched because the plot was captivating. I mean they were all so....transparently one dimensional. I thought that the point in the episode before this one where one of the 3 characters said, "We could be heros" was a big turning point. (At least for me.) It was the first time that depth was starting to actually be shown rather than just left for us to imagine on our own.
Anyway, I was a big fan of this episode.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
This episode was in depth, interesting, and gave Bennet a lot of moral complexity. The lack of "careful handling" of the radiation issue (they could have easily made him emit a strange, unexplained energy to smooth over inconsistencies) is a minus, but not a major issue.
The video-ing of some of the scenes seems extremely extravagent. I can't help but wonder how much money it costs for those effects! Though they were lovely eye-candy, the real winner of this story was the complexity given to Bennet.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:The video-ing of some of the scenes seems extremely extravagent. I can't help but wonder how much money it costs for those effects!
Yeah, Claire's corpse to girl transformation was pretty seamless and impressive, I thought.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
To quote a good friend... 'Ohmygoodness! Next Monday is sooooooo far away! I loved when she came out of her house all extra crispy like KFC; that was hot.'
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
As to whether or not Simone survives:
I believe Simone has a power of some sort.
When Peter has his vision of exploding and destroying the city, he sees Claire, the invisible man, the boy who can talk to machines. In fact, everyone he sees has a power. And Simone is there. Maybe she is the exception... but I doubt it. Not exactly concrete evidence, I know.
Still, in order for his vision to be truly prophetic, Simone has to survive.
Going and looking at the cast and scripts and talking about how Simone's character cried on set for days after she learned the writers were going to kill her is a lot like metagaming in the D&D world, and it takes the fun out of discussing the show. That's just my opinion, you can do whatever you want, I simply have more fun going purely on what the writers give us.
There is so much going on in this show… I’ll stop for now.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I don't think his vision was meant to be prophetic. Claire just left with the Haitian, I didn't see the Haitian in the vision, and she was wearing her cheerleading uniform, which makes zero sense.
I think it was a wacky dream meant to display his inner feelings and fears about possibly blowing up, and to kick him into high gear in figuring out a way to start controlling his powers. I don't think it should be taken literally at all.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
I have watched every episode this season, but only the first episode from the first season. You seem to be familiar with the dream sequence, so can you tell me if Peter has met everyone that is in it? I was under the impression that he had not. I mean, when he had the vision, he had yet to meet the invisible man, so that much of the dream was prophetic.
Even if we should not take the dream literally (because Claire being in her cheer leading uniform at the time the bomb goes off is unlikely), the dream is still prophetic thanks to him seeing the invisible man and understanding the role he would play in his destiny.
I know that the young technological genius boy is in that dream, and if Peter has met him, it must have happened prior to season two. Or I just don't remember them meeting.
Either way, if Peter had a glimpse of these major players, some (at least one) of whom he hadn't met before, and all of them have powers, why would Simone be the exception? I think it hints at her having powers and being more important than we think.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Doesn't mean there aren't elements of future telling in it. He's met Isaac, so we know he can see the future, which is how I think he knew to seek out Claude.
But it's still a dream, and while it may have futuristic elements in it, it's not literal. Simone died in the dream when he exploded anyway. Seeing her in the dream could just mean that he was going to be the cause of her death no matter what, and if he hadn't tangled with Isaac, she likely never would have gotten shot.
Posted by The Flying Dracula Hair (Member # 10155) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: It does also explain a little Hiro's hero-obsession. I'm sure that wasn't the only time he overheard his father talking about powers.
I think it has more to do with the Gameboy in his hands!
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
Idea: Maybe someone sent Peter that dream. Perhaps Linderman or maybe even Peter from the future. If someone sent him the dream, that opens up all sorts of possible meanings, because the person who sent it could have any number of motives.
I recall when he was in the hospital after rescuing Claire, a voice from his dream tells him that he has no idea what power really is. This voice supports the theory that someone is sending Peter dreams. That could be his own voice from the future trying to get him to discover his true power, or Linderman (or an evil force) trying to scare him, or just his own internal power trying to surface.
Maybe Simone's power involves being able to enter other people's dreams and manipulate the dream. So the argument where she gets shot could be a shared dream controlled by her. That would explain why, in the footage at the end of the episode, we see her stand up and speak.
This also gives future Peter a way to send himself dreams in the past (since he has been around Simone, he has her power).
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
Oh, Simone is tiresome. I want her to be dead for real. If she turns out to be alive while Eden has to stay dead, that would just be too, too unacceptable. (Eden was cute, and I liked her power the most best.)
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I'm with you -- I was quite happy to find out that Simone was the one who got axed. She didn't add much to the show, in my opinion, and the writers didn't really seem to know what to do with her past creating some tension between Isaac and Peter.
I rather hope she doesn't turn out to have a power (or have had a power, assuming she's dead). These powers are supposed to be rare and it stretches credibility to have so many unrelated (genetically) characters happening to know other people with these powers from the start. The slowness to the start of the series was mostly due to the fact that it is rare and they had to start with separate circumstances before bringing that characters together.
I don't remember Simone in Peter's vision...I wish they would find a reason to reshow it. I can't remember much of it. My husband said the other day that all the cars had been empty and that the only people in the vision were the ones with powers. he theorized that Peter might have blown up New York on purpose and that it had been evacuated. I don't think that's true, but it's an interesting theory. It started making me think of there's more to this than Peter losing control.
Posted by Tristan (Member # 1670) on :
It's true that the cars were emptied in Peter's vision and, besides from invisible man, there wasn't anyone there we hadn't seen before. But Simone was definitely there. She tried to run towards Peter while Isaac wrestled with her to remove her from danger.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
According to Hiro's future, Isaac should have been dead at that point anyway.
Take Yoda's advice on this one, the future is always in motion.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
It's true that knowledge of the future usually causes changes. Peter, seeing the vision and afraid he would go atomic, sought advice from the invisible man to control his powers. Simone died as a direct result of that, whereas if he had not seen the vision and had not gone to learn to control his powers, she probably would not have died. So there really is no conflict that she is dead, even if she was in the vision.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
I just got informed that someone already has the power to control dreams, so that's shot down, assuming that they will not be giving two people the same power.
Are you sure Peter has met Micah and DL? I know they were both in the dream.
What about the scary voice that tells him he has no idea what true power is? Where did that voice come from?
Posted by Tristan (Member # 1670) on :
quote:Are you sure Peter has met Micah and DL? I know they were both in the dream.
I'm pretty sure he hasn't, which, together with the appearance of the invisible man, is proof that there are at least visionary elements in the dream.
quote:What about the scary voice that tells him he has no idea what true power is? Where did that voice come from?
My recollection it that it was Nathan who in Peter's dream (the one he had when he had been arrested) turned into Sylar, who then uttered the statement which you refer to. I have no idea whether there was anything mystical going on with this incident, or if it was Peter's subconscious who produced it.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
Okay, I was sort of not watching the screen when the scary voice said that, but it being Nathan/Sylar makes a lot of sense.
Peter has so many powers right now, I hope it doesn't cause a problem for the writers. Wait, hasn't Peter met Nikki/Jessica? Seeing as how we aren't sure how their power works, things could get very crazy... Peter has also been around the Haitian. And I'm pretty sure he has already been near Ted (Nuke) at the hospital. He also has Sylar's weird ability to understand how things work. Maybe we should make a list of everything Peter can (potentially) do...
Posted by Tristan (Member # 1670) on :
Actually, I can't recollect Peter meeting Nikki, Haitian or Ted. When did he meet Nikki, if he hasn't met DL or Micah? Nathan met both Nikki and the Haitian in Las Vegas, but Peter wasn't there then. And I don't think Peter was at the hospital at the same time as Ted. When we first met Ted in a hospital, it was Parkman and the FBI chick that ran into him. Or was Peter with them also?
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Peter never met Parkman before the thing at homecoming, by which time Sprague was gone. IIRC.
*giggles* Peter...Parkman
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I thought Peter might have run across the Haitian when he was in Texas, but I can't say for sure. I know he has not met Niki or her family. I also don't think he has met Syler.
I've been wondering if the writers are going to duplicate powers. I think it would be more realistic if they did. I've also wondered if Peter and Syler have the same power. There's nothing saying that Syler has to kill anyone to get their power. That could just be part of his insane quest to be the only special one.
Posted by Tristan (Member # 1670) on :
Peter definitely met Sylar. He grappled with him at the homecoming game. It's true that both the Haitian and Eden were present in Texas, but in my mind it's doubtful whether they ever came close enough to Peter for him to mimic their powers (although Peter met Eden in Mohinder's apartment previously).
As for Peter and Sylar having the same power -- it's an intriguing theory, but I doubt it. It's pretty clear that Sylar has a some sort of power to understand how things work (or he could never have known that Sharesh watch went two seconds slow) and apart from power transfers, it seems as if the writers limit the heroes' powers to one each.
Edit: heh, now I remember. Peter was pretty close to the Haitian in the episode before the last, when HRG and the Haitian attempted to shoot him and invisible guy with electro-guns. It looked as if they were about 50 meters away. I wonder whether this is close enough for Peter to pick up his power.
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Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
While the radiation thing was bugging me also, it could be postulated that he's come more in control of his powers and the radiation he was emitting last night was more just very intense IR/Visible radiation which would explain the fires and also why no one was suffering from radiation poisoning. Note: I don't think the writers actually thought of this, but if you want a different explanation from pure suspension of disbelief.
Also, is anyone else curious as to whether Claire's father will actually turn into a real "company man" now that his memories concerning Claire are gone? basically, did the Hatian take everything and leave him the bad guy that he was portrayed as at the beginning, or just enough that he won't remember his betrayal etc?
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by TheGrimace: Also, is anyone else curious as to whether Claire's father will actually turn into a real "company man" now that his memories concerning Claire are gone? basically, did the Hatian take everything and leave him the bad guy that he was portrayed as at the beginning, or just enough that he won't remember his betrayal etc?
Ooh...good thought! I don't know, but now that you ask I think it would be really neat if the writers thought of this, too.
Posted by Tristan (Member # 1670) on :
Regarding Mr. Bennet's memory wipe, I think it would have been pointless for the Haitian to remove ALL his memories of Claire. Better if he removed all knowledge of Mr. Bennet knowing of Claire's powers before the incident with the radiation guy at the house. Then Mr. Bennet would basically believe his own lie about the Haitian being the one protecting Claire's secret. The only ones knowing differently would be Claire and the Haitian and... Parkman! Which could possibly become plot point, if he is to work with Mr. Bennet. Mr. Bennet's wife might have a few unanswered questions, but we've seen that she has faith in her husband.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by TheGrimace: Also, is anyone else curious as to whether Claire's father will actually turn into a real "company man" now that his memories concerning Claire are gone? basically, did the Hatian take everything and leave him the bad guy that he was portrayed as at the beginning, or just enough that he won't remember his betrayal etc?
Wow. Good thinking. I'd be quite sad about this, because after Monday's episode I REALLY like Mr. Bennet's character and the internal conflicts he's forced to face. It would be disappointing for the writers to force him back into being one-dimensional; kind of counterproductive, if you think about it.
Posted by Tristan (Member # 1670) on :
I suppose they COULD go the way of removing all of Mr. Bennet's memories of Claire and have him become the one-dimensional evil company man. But I agree with BandoCommando that it would be counterproductive. Much better to have him actually BELIEVE the lie that the Haitian stole Claire away from him while retaining all the memories of how much he loves her. Then he could go on a crusade and try to find Claire and kill the Haitian (remember how the boss man said to him that it must hurt to have his daughter trust another man over him, or something to that effect). And Parkman could tag along, knowing that all isn't as it seems and perhaps intervene at some crucial moment.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tristan: I suppose they COULD go the way of removing all of Mr. Bennet's memories of Claire and have him become the one-dimensional evil company man. But I agree with BandoCommando that it would be counterproductive. Much better to have him actually BELIEVE the lie that the Haitian stole Claire away from him while retaining all the memories of how much he loves her. Then he could go on a crusade and try to find Claire and kill the Haitian (remember how the boss man said to him that it must hurt to have his daughter trust another man over him, or something to that effect). And Parkman could tag along, knowing that all isn't as it seems and perhaps intervene at some crucial moment.
This is much more plausible, IMHO.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
Back the the dream thing... Isn't the first time Peter dreamed about flying the same 'moment' that Simone's Dad died? I wonder if there is something about her or her Dad that gets into dreams...
Posted by TheGrimace (Member # 9178) on :
Ok, well you're probably right that he wouldn't have removed ALL memories of Claire, but maybe enough that it would change his outlook on things... memories of him hiding her from the company etc... depending on the powers of others working for the company (such as the new girl) maybe he would have needed to wipe all memories of his disloyalty. even if there are no duplicate powers, so we don't have to worry about another parkman reading his mind perhaps there's someone else like Eden or something similar that could make him confess etc etc
Even if he's not turned bad, there are still interesting possibilities of Bennet having to "prove" himself to the company again. Much as it would be possible for the Hatian to keep wiping Bennet's mind of knowledge of Claire's powers, they have to be questioning whether he really knew and just didn't want to hand her over.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Nope. He first dreamed about flying when he was caring for Simone's dad. He was still alive at the time.
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
I thought he had the dream and then he saw Simone in a hallway or something and she told him he'd died the night before?
This is all going from memory and I only watch the shows once so I could so easily be wrong...
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Probably a stupid question but why couldn't the Haitian simply wipe up to the point where Mr. Bennett was told to bring Clair in and he said he would?
By doing so Mr. Bennett can plausibly with the bullet wound say the Haitian must have intercepted him while he drove in the car with Clair and kidnapped her, shot him, wiped his memory so he wouldn't know the details of the kidnapping and left him for dead.
I must be missing a detail in there as I don't see why this can't be the case.
Posted by Tristan (Member # 1670) on :
The most plausible reason for Mr. Bennet wanting a memory wipe is to protect Claire (and himself, remember that the Company kills people who hide those with powers) if the truth were to be forcibly extracted from him in some way, either by Parkman, someone like Eden or by simple torture. Otherwise he could just lie, and he certainly has enough practice at that. Possibly there is an additional motive of wanting to get rid of some memories of Claire that would otherwise be too painful for him to live with. This is the only reason I can see for why he would ask the Haitian to remove MORE than I've outlined above.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Chris said:
quote:Ahem.
I tried the link and got timed out - three times so far. I'll try again later.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
Chris, I have tried to follow your link, but all I get is an error. What is the link about?
This episode is the one that made me want to own the series.
With Lost, I never had the desire to watch an episode more than once. Yes, I was always interested in what happened next in the show, but never enough to see the same show twice. I sort of felt the same way with Heroes, but this episode added a lot of depth to the characters and was of such high quality that I would enjoy watching it again.
What happened to the girl who can control WI-FI and radio waves? I thought she was going to stick around for longer than this and maybe even be a part of the hostage situation. But now it looks like Ted and Matt have both be captured and she has simply vanished into the aether. Maybe she will rescue Ted?
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Argh... it's my weekly column, which is on Heroes this time but seems to be having difficulties. One moment, please...
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Wiping Bennett's entire memory of Claire, I don't know if that makes sense for a few reasons.
First of all, did he wipe Lyle and Mrs. Bennett's memories too? Otherwise that's going to make for some awkward "So where's our fourth family member, and I don't mean Mr. Muggles," moments. Also, Bennett's boss knows about her, and he's going to ask Bennett where she is. I don't think the Haitian wiped that many people's memories. He must have just wiped the knowledge that she had powers, and I think Bennett will remain devoted to her. We'll find out soon enough.
Besides, PARKMAN knows about Claire, and if they really do end up being partners, which isn't out of the question, despite how pissed Parkman is at them, Parkman is going to ask what happened to the guy's daughter. I just don't think he had time to take care of all those details before they did this, like calling her school to remove her from school, and wiping the memories of all her friends, etc. Just too many people.
Peter had proximity to, but I don't think actually met, the Haitian when he was in the jail cell in Texas. Remember the Haitian was there protecting Bennett's mind from Parkman. He also met Sylar in Texas too. I don't think he's met the Vegas 4 (Niki, Jessica, DL and Micah) yet, as they haven't been to Texas, and he hasn't been to Vegas, yet.
Simone is gone, and I'm okay with that. This could be one of those things that pushed him towards the side of evil, though I think in the end he'll remain good, but it could also be one of the things that sets off the nuclear reaction. Remember when Ted got pissed he lost control and almost went nuclear. Could be the same thing for Peter, and this is the perfect push. I'm wondering what they'll do with the body and if Isaac will go on the run.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
To Tristan: I thought that Peter was in the hospital at the same time as Ted because they seemed to have been suffering from the same chronic illness. Even though he was near Claire at the hospital and her power can probably cure any disease, he was still sick with... something. Maybe his "cold" was a side-effect of being radioactive?
Posted by Tristan (Member # 1670) on :
DevilDreamt: The problem is that it doesn't work time-wise. Ted was in the hospital in one of the earlier episodes (before christmas, certainly) whereupon he was moved to jail, escaped and then sat hatching has plan and training his powers in the Nevada desert. Peter was at the hospital after he saved Claire, which was quite some time later. It's true that Peter was in the hospital also early in the season after his "suicide" attempt, but as far I remember it still wasn't at the same time as nuclear guy or, for that matter, anything that indicated it was even the same hospital.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Who was the woman in the room at the end of the episode, when Parkman was sedated? That wasn't 'wireless' was it? It seemed like it was, but I don't have the time to go searching through the last two episodes to confirm.
Anyone?
Posted by Tristan (Member # 1670) on :
The first time I saw it, I believed it might have been Wireless. But after having gone back to check on her, I'm not so sure. They look fairly similar, but not exactly alike. I'm leaning towards they being different persons. Although it's especially hard to tell since lab girl doesn't speak at all. Perhaps someone could find out whether there was a new actress introduced last episode.
Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
According to the comics, Wireless knows Bennet, and quit the conspiracy a while back. So the scene with Bennet seeing the woman at the paper factory and not knowing her wouldn't have made any sense with Wireless.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Aha! Link works now.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Well, this might be the answer as to who the mystery woman was:
quote: Missy Peregrym has been cast as Faith, a female temptress who, according to an earlier casting breakdown, "wields a tremendous amount of sex appeal" and is willing to "get her hands dirty" for her employer. Peregrym will first appear in Episode 18, likely airing in April.
The date's off, but this week's episode was number 17, so maybe this is her.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
At least now we know what that slogan last season meant: "Save the cheerleader, save the world." It turned out that Claire was the only person who was able to endure the intense heat as the nuke guy was building up to the fission point, and inject him with a tranquillizer.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
I really hope they don't introduce a character whose sole power is "wields a tremendous amount of sex appeal." Isn't that too close to Eden's ability?
Sexy as it may be (notice the lines "not afraid to get dirty") it is also very lame. I can see it now... Peter is about to explode and destroy the city, but she convinces him to have an explosion of a different kind, after which the two of them find one another completely irresistible (thanks to Peter being an empath) and retire from the show forever to dedicate more time to ummm... saving the world through controlled explosions.
Although if Sylar kills her, that could result in some interesting comic relief...
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Sylar, as irresitably sexy? Maybe his eyebrows are singed off!
Posted by Nikisknight (Member # 8918) on :
Someone could be sexy without it counting as a super power. I hope that's the case, cause like you guys I don't want to see super sexy sent to Sylar or Peter.
Posted by Nikisknight (Member # 8918) on :
quote:I've had to make a mental switch though: "Radiation in the Heroes world is not like the radiation in our world. For some reason their hair isn't falling out, nor is their skin sloughing off, but that's okay for some reason."
Well, that's almost as bad as the problem I have when ever a Suresh factors into the plot--apparently the professor has sampled and tested the DNA of every person on the planet, and can identify from that which ones are different, and what effects that may have when expressed.
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Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
I am still having problems with the radiation thing. Ted's radiation killed his wife, and in the earlier episodes the FBI treated it like normal radiation. So how are the writers going to explain why it killed Ted's wife, but everyone else is fine.
Suresh said something about the woman with super hearing donating blood and allowing them to use it a study. I don't think he can tell what effects the "hero gene" has, just that it enables them to do something.
Chris your colum is hilarous. I had to stop myself from laughing out loud too much in the office.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
The sex appeal lady would have one power who is very easy to explain at least - she has immense control over pherimones. That'd be nice. I find myself wondering what exactly in my DNA could be switched so I could fly.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
He can't tell what the effects are of the hero gene, he just gets names for people and then goes to visit them. He doesn't know what their powers are, often, before he gets there.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: The sex appeal lady would have one power who is very easy to explain at least - she has immense control over pherimones. That'd be nice. I find myself wondering what exactly in my DNA could be switched so I could fly.
You just spoil all the fun, don't you? You must have hated the X-Men, too.
After all, this show is basically the 21st-century re-envisioning of X-Men, isn't it? It's just not so black-and-white as the original. But then, that too, seems to be a recurring theme in more and more consumer-oriented entertainment, where before, ambiguity was primarily found only in the highbrow entertainment.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Again reminds me of Calvin and Hobbes,
Hobbes: Is one of Amazon Girl's powers the ability to slip that figure into that suit?
Calvin: Nah, they can all do that.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
It's an X-Men prequel, of sorts.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
Or it's what the Ultimate Universe X-Men should have been.
Not to insult the Ultimate Universe X-Men, I like that series more than the normal universe X-Men.
I think the Ultimate Universe is meant to re-envision Marvel super heroes in a way that's more realistic and modern.
Since the Ultimate Universe has nothing to do with the traditional one, the writers were given more freedom and they made some high quality stuff.
And I think OSC wrote Ultimate Iron Man, now that I am thinking about it.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Maybe now that Ted has more control, he can emit radiation in the infrared band of the spectrum, causing a lot of heat, but no radiation sickness
Edit: Oh wait, I already said that in Chris's thread. I knew it sounded familiar ...
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
A couple of people have mentioned stuff about "Last Season".
This is still season 1. It's just most shows don't pack this much awesome into one season so it seems like more.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I think it seems more like two seasons because so many shows are opting to do a hiatus now. Instead of one season with several weeks of reruns, we get a half season of almost all new episodes, a two month break, then another half with all new episodes, then summer break before the next half season starts again.
The hiatus is a killer, but I love being able to watch it straight through. It does mean that shows have to be extra good though to keep interest during those months. I watched Jericho all during the first half, but I lost interest in December and January and have not been watching the new episodes. Likewise, LOST was losing me in the first half, and when I saw how much better life was without it during the hiatus, I left it where it belonged: unwatched.
Heroes on the other hand left me itching for more.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
quote: Simone is gone, and I'm okay with that. This could be one of those things that pushed him towards the side of evil, though I think in the end he'll remain good, but it could also be one of the things that sets off the nuclear reaction. Remember when Ted got pissed he lost control and almost went nuclear. Could be the same thing for Peter, and this is the perfect push. I'm wondering what they'll do with the body and if Isaac will go on the run.
On the previews for next week they show Simone alive and well. Although she has a bloody shirt now. She sounded pissed. I think she said something to the effect of "You want to shoot me again, Punk?"
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
It's theoretically POSSIBLE that she survives. But I'm 99% convinced that she's dead, and that's just a dream sequence.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
18 hours and 17 minutes left (loosely)!!!
Peter's gonna be evil
Peter's gonna be evil
I can't wait!
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
Lally la, I got to see it early! And all I have to say is, Mohinder ya dumb cluck. When Sylar eats everyone's powers and rules the world, it's totally gonna be on your head.
P.S. I miss Eden.
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
Oh, and also, this is probably irrelevant by now but I must ask anyway.
SPOILERS AHEAD
When Sylar stops the bullet with his eyes and makes it fall down on the ground, it is very very reminiscent of how Peter stopped the tranquilizing darts or whatever they were of Mr. Bennett and the Haitian (on the roof with the invisible dude). Has Peter already got all of Sylar's powers from that one time they met before?
As I say, that's probably irrelevant, since he can borrow all of Sylar's powers now and kick his psyco killer bum (she said optimistically). But I thought it was interesting.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
Although, if Sylar somehow gets to him and takes his power, then everyone is screwed.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote: Has Peter already got all of Sylar's powers from that one time they met before?
When invisible guy was hitting Peter with a stick on the roof top, Peter was able to stop the stick using telekinesis which he explained he had seen Sylar use. What's completely unclear to me is if Peter can use a power he hasn't seen used. I think he may have done this early on when he sketched the future in his hospital bed, but that doesn't mean that he can willfully choose to use a power that he has never seen used.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG ITS Doctor Tolian Soran from Generations!!!
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
April 23rd... Man...
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
I was a little let down with the Mr. Bennett thing, as I expected the shape-shifting (or illusion) girl to take the form of his wife after she said "I like your hair." Just a total get away. Still a neat little thing. I just hope we get more of Mr. Bennett, as he's a very interesting character.
I'm eager to see what happens when the season starts up again in April. There was a lot of interesting stuff in that episode, particularly at the end. Sylar with Peter, Hiro and Ando in the future, the Haitian working with Peter and Nathan's mother/Claire's grandmotehr. Just interesting stuff.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Already covered that a couple pages ago.
I can't believe we have to wait until the END OF APRIL for more episodes! We only just got a couple episodes after the last big break!
So how much does Mrs. Petrelli know? What will become of Mohinder (by the way, at least he tried to kill Sylar! Smart guy, smarter than we gave him credit for)? Hooray for Hiro instantly having his powers back, and apparently with none of the strained concentration from before, he seemed totally at peace, but his control still isn't reined.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Mohinder would have been smarter if he had killed him first then immediately gone after a spinal fluid sample (I assume that's possible, right?). At least he was smart enough to realize he shouldn't try to work with Sylar though and tried to stop him.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
Spoilers! Sort of... I mean, you can go watch the episode on NBC starting at Midnight tonight.... Go do that first if you haven't seen it.
About the new girl - I'm glad she bends light or creates illusions in your mind or whatever instead of being super sexy. She was such a cold-hearted person, it made me happy.
Well, Isaac painted his own death. That's good, I didn't like him very much anyway.
Most interesting line to me, "I wasn't begging for my life, I was offering you yours."
Your opinions on the guy who plays Sylar acting ability? I'm pretty impressed with him. It's a very complex role, and I think he's been doing an awesome job.
And Mohinder might still live through this, although I don't like him very much, he seemed alive enough at the end.
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Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
The line(s) I really liked were Linderman's where he was reasoning whether a person pursues happiness or meaning. It was just an interesting take on life, I think.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Sylar's line is something I've heard far too often in movies and tv shows. It was a variation of an oft heard "I wasn't begging for my life, I was begging for yours." Nothing particularly special about it I don't think.
The new girl is a bitch. Totally easy to call that she was Mrs. Bennett, and I can't believe Mr. B didn't see it coming. I'd like to see someone come to his aid.
Was anyone else inspired by the fact that they were already rebuilding New York after the blast that destroyed it? That really stuck in my mind.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Sylar's line is something I've heard far too often in movies and tv shows. It was a variation of an oft heard "I wasn't begging for my life, I was begging for yours." Nothing particularly special about it I don't think.
The new girl is a bitch. Totally easy to call that she was Mrs. Bennett, and I can't believe Mr. B didn't see it coming. I'd like to see someone come to his aid.
Was anyone else inspired by the fact that they were already rebuilding New York after the blast that destroyed it? That really stuck in my mind.
I noticed the cars were still driving, that struck me. I did not notice that they were rebuilding, I thought people were leaving the city. I totally called the drugs in the chai Sylar drank. But I actually thought Sylar was going to die when Mohinder fired, but within a second I knew Sylar had stopped the bullet.
What a great episode, but it sucks they gave away that Peter is going to have time to have a dialog with Sylar, and isn't getting one shot. They should of had Mohinder stuck against the ceiling via knives like that woman in the 2nd episode.
Taking bets on how the battle between Peter and Sylar pans out. I personally am guessing that Peter through some fluke (possibly a clever use of power) escapes Sylar and lives to fight another day.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Ah so now we see how Peter gets his hair cur *end bad joke*
Anyways how is Mohinder exactly stuck up against the ceiling I couldnt really tell.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Something really ambitious just occured to me, its possible that the bomb going off in New York may not be preventable no matter what but sets the 2 year stage for Nathons election bid to be president, I can just see how every thing in these seasons will affect everything else a couple years down the line, this isnt lost the writers are playing really really far down the road.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
I could totally see the bomb/whatever in New York not being preventable. It would set up a lot of things. I could see it making Hiro blame himself for not saving the city, and so he becomes much more dedicated to using and perfecting his powers. It could also motivate some of the other characters into action.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
i was expecting the bullet to splash harmlessly against his skin, like water (turning metal into a liquid isn't as useless as you thought!). Which made me wonder if he could have done that to the needle, but chose not to because he wanted Mohinder to take the sample and break the code for him.
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Sylar's line is something I've heard far too often in movies and tv shows. It was a variation of an oft heard "I wasn't begging for my life, I was begging for yours." Nothing particularly special about it I don't think.
I thought it was special coming from Sylar. Had Mohinder shown him mercy, and tried to grant him salvation, I do not see Sylar doing the cliche villain "you're so stupid! you never should have trusted me! ha ha ha ha! Now die!"
I see Sylar's response being more along the lines of "Mohinder, what I am doing is not murder. I am simply fulfilling my destiny. You have no idea what I can do, what I can see. I can see all of humanity, all of the potential in our genetic code, and I know that our goal as a species is to create a perfect being. I am that being. Thank you for showing me mercy, in return I will show you the respect that you have shown me, after taking the code... do whatever you want, but know that I am the pinnacle of human existence, I will become perfect, and there's nothing you can do to stop me." It was interesting to me that Sylar, being the "evil" side, would have allowed Mohinder to live and continue fighting against him solely based on respect. It also hints that Sylar does have some respect for human life (he only killed Mohinder because Mohinder was willing to kill him).
Peter is the flip-side of the same coin. The invisible man alluded to this theme when he called Peter the pinnacle of human evolution. They are both capable of becoming this perfect being by gaining all of the powers from everyone else. In theory, Peter is the "good" side and Sylar is the "evil." So now the question is: which side will win?
* Edit: Another idea: After Sylar opens Peter up, and realizes that he can not take Peter's power, Sylar decides to turn Peter into a bomb. One that triggers all of Peter's power (or just Nuke's stolen power) in response to a certain stimulus, and Peter won't have any idea that he is now a ticking time bomb. Or he will and won't have a way to stop it.
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Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Peter's scar? Mentioned by future-Hiro? I totally called it. (Does victory lap around the living room)
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
*bows humbly to Chris' genius*
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:Taking bets on how the battle between Peter and Sylar pans out.
I bet Peter turns invisible, but Sylar can still hear him.
Peter has Claire's power, can stop time, and can fly. I'm going with Peter.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Something really ambitious just occured to me, its possible that the bomb going off in New York may not be preventable no matter what but sets the 2 year stage for Nathons election bid to be president,
Vice President. He said "A heartbeat away from the presidency". That's what they say about the Veep.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
well once your Veep only takes a heartbeat to become President it is Soran after all.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Yeah, that was a good episode. I saw the clock hit 9:50 and I said "Things better speed up" and then bing bada boom, Mohinders on the ceiling.
Best part of the episode in my opinion - The part after the scenes from next time where the writers basically asked for plot suggestions. Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
April 23rd!!!!!!
I want to see Peter and Syler fight it out. My guess is that this first confrontation will end in a draw -- Peter will neither die nor kill Syler and Syler will escape to continue to be an annoying background character.
I actually liked Linderman more than I expected. i didn't care about him very much before this episode.
Anyone else think that Nathan and Peter's mom also has an ability? I've been wondering for a while now.
Posted by Counter Bean (Member # 10176) on :
Could Linderman be Peter or his brother's father? It seems likely.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Counter Bean: Could Linderman be Peter or his brother's father? It seems likely.
No, their father is dead. They said so earlier in the season.
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
It could be that the man they thought was their father is dead.
I like Linderman's power, though. Nothing like the perfect pot pie.
Posted by BaoQingTian (Member # 8775) on :
They also mentioned that their father was corrupt and had dealings with Linderman, for which Nathan was going to prosecute him (IIRC). I think its highly unlikely that they're one and the same.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
BB - There were two big cranes in the background putting up new skyscrapers when Hiro and Ando were looking out at the city.
I was SO happy when I saw that tuft of hair fall from Peter. I actually yelled "Finally, someone cut his hair!"
I think he'll heal himself, fight back, and manage to escape with Mohinder. I got the impression that Mohinder was being pinned to the wall via telekinesis.
This just occurred to me, but is it possible that Hiro isn't really Takei's son, and that the organization gave him to Takei Bennett style, thinking he might have an ability, which is why Takei wanted him to forget about his powers and come back to work at his company, so he could just have his son back without the organization taking him? I can't imagine if he were a good employee he'd let go the fact that his son says he has powers.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
considering Hiro can stop time I dont think Takei has much to worry about.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Mohinder was pinned to the ceiling the same way that bodies were found pinned to the walls back when we first heard about Sylar, when Parkman discovered his telepathic abilities by finding the little girl that was hiding.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:Mohinder was pinned to the ceiling the same way that bodies were found pinned to the walls back when we first heard about Sylar, when Parkman discovered his telepathic abilities by finding the little girl that was hiding.
That woman was pinned with knives and other household metal objects, if I remember correctly. I didn't see any knives pinning Mohinder, and I looked for them. This doesn't mean they weren't there, but if they were, they weren't obvious.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Xavier: That is exactly what I did and saw. No knives as far as I could tell, Ill watch the episode again to check though.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Just watched it, definitely no knives or objects that I could see holding Mohinder to the ceiling. I think Sylar was simply holding him up there via telekinesis while he dealt with Peter. I still have no idea why Mohinder is bleeding and from where, its not very clear in the episode.
As an aside, does Sylar cut into the skull as he cuts across the person's forehead? Or does he cut through the skin first? I remember him mistakenly doing the same operation on Clair's friend after throwing Clair into that wall, and she seems to have bled to death rather then dying instantly from having her brain cut into.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
I think Sylar just cuts the skin/skull at first, because he needs to have the brain completely intact to study it.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
I don't get how Peter can scar if he has Claires power. Anyone?
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
I can't believe that the Bennet dude has blue eyes! Was it always like that?
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote: I don't get how Peter can scar if he has Claires power. Anyone?
That's a good question and one I was wondering about.
I'm not clear about Peter's abilities. Do we know if he can use more than one power at a time? Best I can think of is that he only partially heals himself before having to use another power or becomes unconscious.
I guess the thing they have to explain is how it gets to be a scar - since Claire doesn't have any and it would take a long time for one to develop - plenty of time to allow for a few minutes of regeneration. I'm assuming, of course, that the healing/regeneration powers don't apply to scars since they are no longer wounds.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: I don't get how Peter can scar if he has Claires power. Anyone?
He has to activate that power from within him, what if Peter never gets around to healing?
1: Peter rather then spending time to heal focuses on invisibility to make a hasty escape from Sylar. He bolts out of there, and say runs in front of a car and the driver does not see him. Peter is rendered unconscious and visible. Peter is taken to the hospital. He wakes up 1-3 days later and the wound has healed on its own leaving a scar. No need to heal then.
2: Sylar, mid surgery is rebuffed by Peter using say his healing ability. Sylar then attempts to cut into Peter faster then he can heal himself. This goes on as both men's endurance is tested to the limits. Something or somebody interrupts Sylar as he is about to prevail and Peter passes out from exertion. Wakes up with a scar.
Posted by mistaben (Member # 8721) on :
Favorite line from the preview:
"This is the part where most people scream"
When Sylar said this he seemed to still be pinning Peter against the wall. What about Peter's screams as last night's episode ended? Don't they count?
Or is there some time-mischief being done by Hiro?
Or is this show just plain fun? Yes.
Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :
Gah, a month and a half? Argh!
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I think its entirely possible that Peter won't end up with a scar. Because of Hiro's visit, Peter met Claire. The time line has been changed. In this new time line, Peter and Sylar still meet but Peter doesn't end up with a scar because he saved the cheerleader and aquired her healing power.
Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
No, I can't imagine them promising a scar without delivering on it. That's TV 101.
Posted by Chord (Member # 10122) on :
As far as I can tell, the time-line cannot be changed. Many of Isaac's paintings became self-fulfilling (if Peter didn't see the name of the school, he wouldn't have been there) and none of them have been proven incorrect. The last painting Isaac painted was his head with the top cut off. If you remember from before, when Hiro first went to the future, he went to Isaac's studio and found his body in the same manner as the painting. Also, Sylar specifically tried to contact Isaac in Mohinder's apartment.
I think that someone will explode as a bomb, though.
I don't have an original answer for where the scar came from, but others have said that perhaps Peter doesn't want to heal it, as a sign of what he has gone through.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
If Isaac dies, who paints the rest of the comic book series? Unless, of course, Isaac manages to finish it all before Sylar gets there, and the comic is published posthumously.
For some reason, I pictured Isaac drawing for the comic book and paralleling the series, including him drawing the end of the series. I suppose Peter or Sylar could finish it, but I'm not sure using Isaac's power will bestow on you his artistic style.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
The timeline has already been altered. Claire is alive. I think Rabbit is probably closest to what I'd imagine will happen. Peter might not have a scar at all now. Hopefully he'll escape with nothing more than a much needed haircut and Mohinder.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Chord: As far as I can tell, the time-line cannot be changed. Many of Isaac's paintings became self-fulfilling (if Peter didn't see the name of the school, he wouldn't have been there) and none of them have been proven incorrect.
Wrong! Isaac painted Claire with the top of her head cut off at homecoming. That didn't happen because Peter stopped it from happening.
Posted by gsim1337 (Member # 10168) on :
I just want to see Peter nuke someone--mainly Sylar.
My prediction: When Sylar was showing Suresh how he turned off the IV, He flipped it back on for a second. I bet that it gets into him as he is fighting Peter, giving Peter a chance to, well, NUKE HIM!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by RamseyEarl (Member # 10265) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: Wrong! Isaac painted Claire with the top of her head cut off at homecoming. That didn't happen because Peter stopped it from happening.
All Isaac's painting showed was the the top of a blonde cheerleaders head cut off. It wasn't clear it was specifically Claire. So, being that it was a blonde cheerleader... his painting did technically come to pass.
And nowhere does it say that Claire died in Future Hiro's future. He just says, "Save the cheerleader." He doesn't specify WHICH cheerleader, though.
Posted by Launchywiggin (Member # 9116) on :
quote:Your opinions on the guy who plays Sylar acting ability? I'm pretty impressed with him. It's a very complex role, and I think he's been doing an awesome job.
I've gotta disagree with this. I've always found Sylar and Mohinder to be very poorly acted, and painful to listen to. The delivery of their lines is always overdone/affected. The acting in the show overall is weak. Nathan and Peter are pretty bad, and Nikki and DL are awful.
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
I didn't like Sylar at first, either, but I think he has gotten much better in the last few episodes.
When he went to Claire's house and was talking to Mrs. Bennet, he was creepy as all hell.
When Sylar kills the guy who can change metal and confronts Mohinder, I thought, "Sylar (the character, not the actor) is such a bad actor, he's obviously not telling the truth, and look at him slide into talking about something he's comfortable talking about that would have been uncharacteristic of the person he's trying to portray. When he starts talking about his epiphany, and citing theories, he becomes more confident, he is more Sylar. I thought, "Mohinder can't possibly believe this crap." But the fact that it was operating on so many levels made me think "Hey, not bad acting." Maybe the writers also had a hand in that scene being so successful for me.
I think the guy can do creepy megalomaniac pretending to be an innocent-nervous guy who listens to the Ramones effectively.
Also I was watching some old Canadian soap dramas this weekend, and the acting was atrocious, so maybe that's why I suddenly think he's good?
Mohinder isn't good, I agree that Nathan and Peter are both weak, and that Nikki and DL are awful, but they are nothing compared to those Canadian soaps, I'm telling you. Watching those really made me appreciate how good our actors/actresses actually are.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I like that as DL walked away, we saw him stop smiling. That's all I wanted from Mohinder in the previous weeks. Just that one small moment where I know that he knows.
I haven't really noticed the acting, but I hate the same characters as everyone else. Maybe it's one of those subconcious things.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by RamseyEarl:
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: Wrong! Isaac painted Claire with the top of her head cut off at homecoming. That didn't happen because Peter stopped it from happening.
All Isaac's painting showed was the the top of a blonde cheerleaders head cut off. It wasn't clear it was specifically Claire. So, being that it was a blonde cheerleader... his painting did technically come to pass.
And nowhere does it say that Claire died in Future Hiro's future. He just says, "Save the cheerleader." He doesn't specify WHICH cheerleader, though.
I disagree. The dead cheerleader in the painting was Claire and not just "a blond cheerleader".
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Is there an explicit statement of the cheerleader being Claire, does she look exactly like her, or is there some other very compelling reason to think it's Claire?
It would be very pointless to see the future if you can't change it; not only that, exceedingly painful.
Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :
Guys, if you go back and rewatch the episode in which Hiro goes to Isaac's apartment in the future (according to a website I was on, haven't checked on this myself), the body on the floor isn't Isaac's...
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Just watched it more or less frame by frame as well as I could and it appears Peter pulls the rug out (metaphorically) speaking from under Sylar. Towards the end you can see Sylar flying up towards the ceiling where Mohinder is still stuck, you then see Peter with a concentrated look on his face and then you see Mohinder fall to the ground.
Other notes on the trailer;
Micah meets Linderman. Who is the girl at exactly 9 seconds into the trailer, she appears to be talking to Nathan? At the very beginning, Sylar is still wearing the clothing he wore when he attacked Peter and Mohinder but it looks like its the next morning, can't really tell if its the same apartment. His stance is puzzling. Definitely another episode with future Hiro's, he looks so freakin cool too! (7 seconds into the trailer).
Not happy that at 12 seconds they replayed the footage where Peter flies away from the Haitian and Mr. Bennet with Invisible man in tow. At the part where Sylar says, "This is usually the part where people start screaming," I am not convinced this scene takes place in Mohinder's apartment.
Lastly, can anybody figure out the room Hiro and Ando are exploring at 13 seconds?
Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
David... if you have any idea who owned that body while it still had a complete skull on it and you're choosing to withhold information, I will be most upset. Maybe it's Peter's.
Phanto - Being able to see the future but being unable to alter it is a pretty common theme. It is meant to be sad, but I was hoping for something less emo from this show.
I really really like the idea that Peter saved the wrong cheerleader. Who knows? Maybe there was something very important about the girl that Sylar killed, and we just don't know it yet. It makes me happy, to think that she is secretly important, but I highly doubt the writers will decide to go in that direction.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Peter CAN'T nuke anybody yet, I'm fairly certain.
Posted by RamseyEarl (Member # 10265) on :
I just reviewed the scene with Hiro discovering the body... It actually looks more like Ted than Isaac...
There really is no reason to say the girl in the painting was Claire at all. Or even to assume that Hiro was referring to Claire.... We have nothing to back it on.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by DevilDreamt: David... if you have any idea who owned that body while it still had a complete skull on it and you're choosing to withhold information, I will be most upset. Maybe it's Peter's.
I just looked at the shot of the dead body and sure looks like Isaac to me. Its definitely not Peter or any other character we've been introduced to so far.
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
quote:Who is the girl at exactly 9 seconds into the trailer, she appears to be talking to Nathan?
I think it's Claire with dyed hair.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I don't think she looks like Claire. Her face isn't round enough. Also, the man shes talking to appears to be wearing glasses so its not Nathan. Have we met anyone other than HRG who wears glasses? (Hiro of course, but the man in that shot is definitely not Hiro).
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
When I first saw it after the episode, I thought it was Claire with dyed hair. Now that I've rewatched it a few times, I'm not positive. I'm still leaning towards it being Claire, but it could be someone new.
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
Same nose, mouth, and eyes. I think the face looks thin because of shadows and, well, an entirely different hair color.
And I'm not seeing glasses on the guy she's talking to. I see dark eyelashes.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:And I'm not seeing glasses on the guy she's talking to. I see dark eyelashes
What I'm seeing is the arm of the glasses going over the guys ear.
As for same nose, mouth and eyes, well we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one until April 23.
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
We don't have to disagree. You could pause the video and open a tab with a picture of Claire right next to it for a direct comparison. Posted by gsim1337 (Member # 10168) on :
quote: Peter CAN'T nuke anybody yet, I'm fairly certain.
Really? I thought that was the whole basis on him learning to control his powers. Or was the whole him exploding thing about all his powers reacting at once? I thought it was just that if he didn't control his nuclear power he would blow up New York.
Didn't he end up meeting Mr. Nuclear Reactor in one of the earlier episodes, at the same time he met the cop guy? Time to start rewatching the episodes Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
It is so very obviously Claire that I'm actually confused as to how anyone could disagree. When Niki and I saw the preview, we were both surprised how much more attracted to her we were with dark hair. There was no question in either of our minds as to who it was.
I guess everyone does facial recognition a bit differently, and dark hair may be enough to throw some of our brains off.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
So, can anyone tell me? Why do I read the title of this thread as "Herpes"?
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I got to say, that girl at 9 seconds doesn't look much like Claire to me. I've got it paused and I found a picture of Claire in another window and I keep going back and forth -- I know changing hair color is significant and can cast shadows in weird places, but the shape of the face is just all wrong. The brunette has a long slim face whereas Claire has a rounder face. The chins are particularly different. Also, the expression isn't something I'm used to seeing on Claire, who usually looks more scared or confused.
Besides, wasn't Claire still a blonde in Peter's vision?
I don't know, I suppose it could be Claire with new hair color, like I said that is a big transformation that can appear to change more than just the hair through shadows and what not, but I'm just not seeing it as a certainty.
Posted by Damien.m (Member # 8462) on :
Its Claire. I have no doubt. Considering Hiro is in the future now it could very well be future Claire, which explains why she looks different. They would have had to have done her makeup and stuff to make her look five years older.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
quote:Originally posted by gsim1337:
quote: Peter CAN'T nuke anybody yet, I'm fairly certain.
Really? I thought that was the whole basis on him learning to control his powers. Or was the whole him exploding thing about all his powers reacting at once? I thought it was just that if he didn't control his nuclear power he would blow up New York.
Didn't he end up meeting Mr. Nuclear Reactor in one of the earlier episodes, at the same time he met the cop guy? Time to start rewatching the episodes
He hasn't met Mr. Nuclear yet, but he knows he will need to learn to control other's powers, because he can't help absorbing them. At least that is what I thought-- I went looking and couldn't find a time when Peter encountered Ted.[edit: Yet. I could be wrong, but I couldn't find it. I suspect he might have gone a bit radioactive when Simone died, if he already had that power.
Naughty me, I'm totally breaking my self-imposed forum ban to talk about this show. I said I wasn't gonna until the novel's done. The show's just that darned good, I tells ya!]
Posted by RamseyEarl (Member # 10265) on :
Anyone else notice the Playstation 3 product placement in this last episode?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Frisco: We don't have to disagree. You could pause the video and open a tab with a picture of Claire right next to it for a direct comparison.
I did that before I posted my first assessment and I still disagree.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by RamseyEarl: Anyone else notice the Playstation 3 product placement in this last episode?
Definitely noticed it, though its a bit less pronounced then the Nissan advertisements.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Sorry to double post but I think it could very well be Clair. The eyebrows are the same, as is the eye color. Hair length is similar, Perhaps they dyed her hair so that they could hide her more easily?
The fact they say, "They saved the cheerleader" and then respond with a cycling through some characters and end with this girl, leads me to think they were indicating that its Clair.
BTW have any of you noticed Clair selling Nutrigena products on your television lately? Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote: I really really like the idea that Peter saved the wrong cheerleader.
No, no. They saved the cheerleader (Claire).
I think the phrase "Save the cheerleader, Save the World" is not an if-then statement. It's a chronological statement.
So it's not "If you save the cheerleader, then you save the world." It is two separate tasks: 1) Save the cheerleader 2) Save the world.
my two cents. FG
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
No, Farmgirl I disagree. I think they are an if-then statement. Because I think Peter is the key to saving the world. And to save the world, he had to have one ability that trumps anything Sylar can do to him - the ability to heal. Saving the cheerleader was all about him absorbing Claire's ability, while keeping Sylar from getting Claire's ability. Does that make sense?
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Ah - so you are saying it is the saving of the cheerleader that gives him the ABILITY to save the world. But the act of saving the cheerleader did not itself cause the saving of the world.
very plausible possibility.
FG
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
For what it's worth, I also think it's an if-then statement, although I don't think saving the world is guaranteed because he saved the cheerleader, only that its destruction was guaranteed if he hadn't. Which really makes it a moot point as, chronologically, he now has to save the world. Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Perhaps we should say that saving the cheerleader was a necessary but not sufficient condition for saving the world.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Yes, I agree with both yours and Christine's latest posts.
Edit: Make that, I agree with Farmgirl, Christine, and Rabbit.
[ March 08, 2007, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: Belle ]
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
BTW have any of you noticed Clair selling Nutrigena products on your television lately?
Hell ya.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Um... isn't it possible that saving Claire may not have saved New York, but it saved the world anyway?
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:Um... isn't it possible that saving Claire may not have saved New York, but it saved the world anyway?
If Sylar gets a hold of that list, and takes the powers of hundreds, he could easily become the dictator of the world. Especially with Ted's power. He can hold the world's cities hostage, and between Claire's power and Nathan's, he would be extremely difficult to kill.
By saving Claire, Sylar is still one bullet away from death. By Peter taking her ability, he makes himself a powerful adversary.
So yeah, even if NY is toast, it may well have been the difference.
Posted by hansenj (Member # 4034) on :
Claire's been selling Neutrogena products on TV since before she was Claire. She got that gig when she was first noticed on the Disney Channel.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
If Sylar steals Hiro's power, the world will be pretty screwed. Just throwing that out there.
Ok, I have a question and don't feel like slogging through all the episodes to answer it - Have any of Isaacs paintings not come true? Every one I can think of has, even if its not in the way you'd think (ie., Peter all brokeded). So ... is New York pretty much done for? I could be, and likely am, wrong. I'm not sure how I'd feel about them blowing up New York. I'm not sure how New York would feel about them blowing up New York.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
LOTS of directions for the show if New York blows up. Especially with Linderman's prediction that Nathan will be a heartbeat from the presidency. People LOVE heroes who help pick up the pieces, (excuse the unintended play on heroes).
Not sure if any of Isaac's pictures have not come true.
edit: Pick up the pieces and were themselves a victim of the same tragedy.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: If Sylar steals Hiro's power, the world will be pretty screwed. Just throwing that out there.
Ok, I have a question and don't feel like slogging through all the episodes to answer it - Have any of Isaacs paintings not come true? Every one I can think of has, even if its not in the way you'd think (ie., Peter all brokeded). So ... is New York pretty much done for? I could be, and likely am, wrong. I'm not sure how I'd feel about them blowing up New York. I'm not sure how New York would feel about them blowing up New York.
I've been wondering the same thing ever since they made a point to have Hiro pose with the sword (sheath) in front of the T-Rex at the museum. I can't think of any broken prophecies.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
To be honest, I have been thinking that New York probably will blow up. "Save the Cheerleader. Save the World" may not mean New York at all. New York isn't the whole world, after all. Plus, like you say, all Isaac's paintings do come to pass.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:New York isn't the whole world, after all.
Say what?
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
I think all the paintings have come true, but some of them have been misleading. Hiro & T-rex. The exploding man painting doesn't show where he blows. Of course it is hard to get around the painting on the floor of Isaac’s apartment.
We don't know for sure that Peter is the one that blows up. He could have changed that vision by learning to control his powers. It could have been a warning to get him to learn to use his powers. It seemed more like a message than an actual scene from the future to me. He could be like Rouge from the X-men comics who keeps some part of the person's psyche’s after she absorbs their power. Maybe the collective psyches reached out to his subconscious to warn him they were still there and he better learn to control him. This would explain why Clair was still in her cheerleader’s outfit.
Going out on a limb there I know, but it was just a thought. Even if it wasn’t their psyche’s it could have still be Peter’s subconscious figuring it out.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:New York isn't the whole world, after all.
Say what?
Yeah, well, it may come as a shock to many New Yorkers but alas, it's true. Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by SC Carver: I think all the paintings have come true, but some of them have been misleading. Hiro & T-rex. The exploding man painting doesn't show where he blows. Of course it is hard to get around the painting on the floor of Isaac’s apartment.
We don't know for sure that Peter is the one that blows up.
That could have been a picture of him almost blowing up before Claude decked him.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by SC Carver: I think all the paintings have come true, but some of them have been misleading. Hiro & T-rex. The exploding man painting doesn't show where he blows. Of course it is hard to get around the painting on the floor of Isaac’s apartment.
We don't know for sure that Peter is the one that blows up.
That could have been a picture of him almost blowing up before Claude decked him.
Or a picture of Ted at the Bennet residence. Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
If nothing Isaac paints can be changed, it makes the whole show rather pointless. I certainly hope that doesn't turn out that way.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: If nothing Isaac paints can be changed, it makes the whole show rather pointless. I certainly hope that doesn't turn out that way.
Why would it be pointless? All that this limitation to Isaac's ability means is that the entire show wouldn't be about the character trying to keep the future in the paintings from coming true. There are dozens and dozens of books, stories, movies, and shows about that kind of thing already. The future is complex, and I don't see anything wrong with Isaac only being able to paint the parts that are set in stone.
Of course, I could be biased...I actually have a published novel out about a woman who can predict the future but can't change it. Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
They usually make a point to really show when one of the painting comes to pass. Almost freeze frame, so I don't think the exploding man has happened yet.
If it is Peter why couldn't he fly away, or stop time and teleport to try and save lives. Assuming he learns to control Hiro’s power.
It could also Ned or even Sylar if he steals Ned’s ability. The later could happen since it seems it takes both Sylar and Peter awhile to learn to control their new powers. In this case Peter and/or Hiro could stop time and teleport him away.
I think they will find a way to save NY and still have the scene with the mushroom cloud to "fulfill" the painting.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
quote: I think they will find a way to save NY and still have the scene with the mushroom cloud to "fulfill" the painting.
So the scene where Hiro sees the explosion would not be fulfilled, but the other scene, the drawing, would?
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
That's along the lines of what I was thinking, too.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by RamseyEarl: Anyone else notice the Playstation 3 product placement in this last episode?
Definitely noticed it, though its a bit less pronounced then the Nissan advertisements.
All product placement is less pronounced than the Nissan advertisements.
Except maybe for Harold and Kumar.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Phanto:
quote: I think they will find a way to save NY and still have the scene with the mushroom cloud to "fulfill" the painting.
So the scene where Hiro sees the explosion would not be fulfilled, but the other scene, the drawing, would?
And what about the Isaac's rooftop painting with the view over the devastated New York. Its hard to imagine any way that New York could be saved and that painting could be "fulfilled" .
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine:
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: If nothing Isaac paints can be changed, it makes the whole show rather pointless. I certainly hope that doesn't turn out that way.
Why would it be pointless? All that this limitation to Isaac's ability means is that the entire show wouldn't be about the character trying to keep the future in the paintings from coming true. There are dozens and dozens of books, stories, movies, and shows about that kind of thing already. The future is complex, and I don't see anything wrong with Isaac only being able to paint the parts that are set in stone.
Of course, I could be biased...I actually have a published novel out about a woman who can predict the future but can't change it.
I didn't say that any story where a person can see the future but not change it would be pointless, I said that this particular story will be fairly pointless if the it is not possible to change anything in Isaac's paintings. This is a TV story about people who discover they have super powers and discover that a catastrophy is about to occur. If they are just going to conclude that even people with super powers and a foreknowledge of future events can't make a difference, I'll be disgusted. That kind of story might work in a good short story, but I can't imagine it making worthwhile TV series.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
You're probably right, Rabbit. I thought about it a little longer after I posted that and realized that what works on the screen is very different from what works in print. The one I wrote is a character story, which I have rarely seen translate well into film and is certainly not going to work in the midst of a bunch of superheros running around trying to save the world. Isaac would fade into irrelevance (which wouldn't hurt my feelings too much as he's not my favorite character) and his paintings would be relegated to collector's items. (Although probably worth a lot.)
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I don't think Isaac's character would fade into insignificance or that his painting would become irrelevant but it would radically change the character of the show.
If Isaac painted a picture of you murdered in what is clearly the very near future and you knew without doubt that you could not change that, what would you do? Would you quit your job? Run your credit cards up to the limit? Spend every minute possible with your family? Get on the next plane to Tahiti?
Imagine what panic and total chaos it would cause if it became publicly known that Manhattan would be leveled in a nuclear blast in six weeks and it could not be stopped.
Posted by Luet13 (Member # 9274) on :
Ooh oooh ooh!
This is a sneak peak with a new scene. So if you're like me, you'll watch it. If you want to wait, then don't.
HUGE SPOILER! Video Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Ooh...neat video. I wasn't surprised about the ending of it, although I didn't think of it.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Oh that's awesome. But, like pfresh, I wasn't really surprised..
FG
Posted by Luet13 (Member # 9274) on :
I wasn't surprised either, but it's still very cool. Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
Not a huge suprise, but still good. I can't wait for it to start again.
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
I miss Heroes. I can't believe how far away it still is.
Posted by Chord (Member # 10122) on :
Linderman even has blue eyes... !
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I know this is going to come too late to some people and the TV seems to have been silent on this, but Heroes resumes tonight! Ill be watching it right after Drive, yay for good TV scheduling!
PS: If you miss the episode you can always watch it online sometime tomorrow at www.nbc.com
Finally get to see the Peter Sylar showdown!
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Wow...
Awesome opening sequence.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
What the heck? Why didn't Peter stop the glass? Or ... duck?
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
I need to rewatch this episode. My cable died so I am watching it over my crappy rabbit ears, so the quality is very poor. I can see it and hear it, but it's just bad.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
No scar yet.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Well it was a good episode (from what I could make out). I especially liked Hiro meeting his future self in the future. I'm looking forward to the 2012 episode next week.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
That was a pretty good one. Not my favorite, but good. I'm glad Claire found the piece of glass. That fit well. I'm also glad Linderman is evil (sort of ...?). So it seems like Nathan is going to go along with it?
Next week looks cool.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Very pleased with this episode, definitely not the best, but it really threw the plot solidly forward for every character. Not only that, I really like the direction the show is taking.
The whole "You can't fight the future" theme was very interesting, I am glad it appears they are exploring the future where the bomb has exploded.
I am very excited to see the remaining 4 episodes, I am still unsure if they are going to end this show or lead into another season. I really think it could go either way at this point.
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
I spent half the episode screaming "TAKE THE FRICKIN GLASS OUT OF HIS HEAD!"
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
me too
Also notice that either Sylar's painting skills are either disturblingly subpar or his seer abiility is perverted and possibly incorrect now?
Also very great reference to greek tradgedies, the moment Sylar walked into Isaacs apartment I realized "hey if Sylar knew his myths held realize knowing the future is a VERY bad idea".
Im just waiting for the Doctor to come along and fix everything or wait he already has!
To me this was an awesome epidsode and I am glad Isaac had an epithiny. however think the latest comics he made contained the information on how to stop Sylar?
Posted by His Savageness (Member # 7428) on :
I enjoyed the episode, although I had three problems with it (fairly quibbling, but hey, what's Hatrack for?):
WARNING! SPOILERS AHEAD (FOR HEROES AND THE WATCHMEN)
1. Linderman's "I used to be a superhero who realized that the only way I could really help the world would be to blow up New York to save humanity from itself" plot. Ozymandias much?
2. The scene with Peter and Sylar. A: Couldn't Sylar just hear Peter with his super hearing? Why bother with the slow, dramatic hovering glass (which should have given Peter ample time to escape)? B: Someone already mentioned this, but since Sylar's hovering glass was so slow and dramatic (and dispersed across a flat plane parallel to the floor) why didn't Peter just duck? My wife brought up the point that perhaps it happened faster than we saw (the camera was slowed down for effect) and Peter panicked and turned to flee. I could buy that, but the fact that Sylar couldn't just hear him bothered me.
3. (This one is really minor). At the end, Mohinder is talking in his father's apartment, apparently to himself, but then somebody steps out of the shadows. Mohinder is surprised that it's that other company man he's talking to (name escapes me) rather than Mr. Bennett. So, either other company man came to the door, Mohinder let him into the apartment, allowed him time to situate himself in the shadows (all without looking at him) before launching into a soliloquy, OR company man just "appeared" in the shadows (let himself into the apartment via some other means) and Mohinder launched into a soliloquy without investigating the person lurking in the shadows because, you know, no one skulky has tried to KILL him in the past 24 hours. <- awesome run on sentence
Besides those three points, good episode.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
quote:Originally posted by His Savageness: 2. The scene with Peter and Sylar. A: Couldn't Sylar just hear Peter with his super hearing? Why bother with the slow, dramatic hovering glass (which should have given Peter ample time to escape)? B: Someone already mentioned this, but since Sylar's hovering glass was so slow and dramatic (and dispersed across a flat plane parallel to the floor) why didn't Peter just duck? My wife brought up the point that perhaps it happened faster than we saw (the camera was slowed down for effect) and Peter panicked and turned to flee. I could buy that, but the fact that Sylar couldn't just hear him bothered me.
See, I interpreted that as Sylar pausing to use his super-hearing to find Peter. He was probably also savoring the moment, knowing that he could so easily overcome Peter's invisibility defence.
--Mel
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Mell, I thought the same.
Blayne, That was one of the best puns, ever! Except it was Peter who got pithed. But still, pure punny genius!
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Still, why didn't Peter use his telekinesis? Or fly to the ceiling? But Sylar wouldn't see that one coming. Or nuke Sylar. That would've been funny. Or read Sylar's mind to see what he was going to do? Why was he turned around? Was he running away? The scene just bothered me.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Oh, and any guesses as to Peter and Nathan's moms power?
And is it for sure that Peter is the blowing up man? Ted is going to be in New York now.
And is the assumption that by sending Claire away, Nathan is acquiescing to Lindermans big boom plan? Since Peter was saying maybe she could stop it, and Nathan sent her away?
And what plan of Lindermans would involve a technopath?
And last tidbit - Did they ever explain how they were able to block powers in the first few episodes? Why Parkman couldn't read Bennet's mind before but now he's doing it easily?
Ok, I'm done now.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
Was is Mohinder that pushed the shelf into Sylar? How was he able to do that, wouldn't Sylar have noticed using any number of powers at his disposal?
I still thought it was a great scene though, I was clapping loudly through half of it. Also, the Hiro meeting future-Hiro was awesome. I can't wait to see what happens to Jessica/Nikki and her son. That part had me in hysterics too.
Excellent episode, but as with all of them, I'm left wondering, what would I have done if I had those powers? Probably something different.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
Strangelove: I always thought it was the Haitian who could block powers, along with erase people's memories. Parkman tried reading Bennet's mind near the end of the last series (I think when the Haitian wasn't around) only to find out Bennet was thinking in Japanese.
Now that Peter has had contact with Sylar, he should now have access to ALL Sylar's powers. Sweet!!!
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I'm guessing Sylar was salivating over Peter too much to pay any attention to anything else.
How much is Sylar even the villain now? All he's doing is killing individual heroes. Sure that's bad, but Linderman is the one everyone is concerned with stopping. Nuclear bomb takes precedent over psychopathic killer.
Maybe Peter can only use one power at a time? That would explain why Peter couldn't do anything against the glass.
Posted by Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged (Member # 7476) on :
My theory is they will use Micah to rig the election so Nathan wins.
And Bennet was always with The Haitian who I believe can block powers unless I'm mistaken.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
quote:Originally posted by sarcasticmuppet: Strangelove: I always thought it was the Haitian who could block powers, along with erase people's memories. Parkman tried reading Bennet's mind near the end of the last series (I think when the Haitian wasn't around) only to find out Bennet was thinking in Japanese.
Now that Peter has had contact with Sylar, he should now have access to ALL Sylar's powers. Sweet!!!
But why did the Haitian let Nathan go? Though ... I guess if he was working with Mrs. Petrelli that would be a reason. Kinda confusing. The Haitian, who was working with Bennet to protect Claire, is also in communication with Claire's real grandmother. And if he's the one who blocks powers, he let Claire's real father escape. Also interesting, would Sylar or Peter absorb that power? If their power is blocked, I guess they wouldn't. That would be handy to have though.
And I don't know ... We still don't know how Sylar does what he does. We know it involves brains, but what was his original power? Cannabalism? I think it's possible or likely that Peter wouldn't get all the powers Sylar has stolen, only his original power.
Ok, yeah, this is really my last post before I go study - If Sylar got even a glimpse of "the list" or even the program, shouldn't he be able to remember and recreate it with Charlie's power?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I made a pun.....?
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
His original power had to do with seeing how things work, which is why he was able to fix clocks so well and all. We don't know how he uses this power to absorb the other peoples' powers though.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Okay, so the web comic explains a LOT.
In the timeline that existed prior to Hiro's intervention (when Future Hiro told Peter to save the cheerleader), this is what happened.
Sylar kills Claire and gains her power. Sylar kills Ted and gains his power Sylar trys to blow up NYC, but is stabbed by Hiro. Sylar regenerates, and succeeds in blowing up NYC. This prompts Hiro to find a way to change it, so long as he can prevent Sylar from getting Claire's abilities. He returns to his own time, confused as to why his plan did not work.
Posted by Feer (Member # 9846) on :
If Sylar has an amazing sence of how things work, then he can pry open a brain and find out how that power works, at least that my under standing.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Last night's episode was definitely interesting. It kept me watching and I am very curious about next week.
I have huge plausibility problems with the Peter/Syler fight. I think it's all been mentioned...but unless I missed it, here's one more:
Mohinder knocking Syler out at the end? Peter was temporarily dead (always clear it was temporary...I was annoyed at how long it took them to find the glass) and somehow Mohinder manages to catch this guy off guard and knock him out long enough to get past him BUT of course, he doesn't put a bullet in his head while he was at it!
I also found Linderman to be far less interesting in person than he was as the mysterious man behind the scenes. I think they should have kept him there.
I am interested in knowing what Peter and Nathan's mom's power is.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
OKAY.
I just want to put in the random observation that Future Peter looks and dresses a lot like Neo from the Matrix.
So...Parkman kills future Bennett (not that it means anything. In all liklihood that timeline will disappear, if Hiro succeeds).
We have confirmation now that the Haitian can supress ALL powers (or at least, all that we've encountered), and not just telepathy. It remains to be seen what the range is, and whether the skill is passive or must be conciously employed. Can he turn it off, does he have to be conscious for it to work, etc. still needs to be determined.
We have confirmation that Peter was the bomb...
We see that Sylar is somewhat obsessed (to say the least) with acquiring Claire's abilities, which at least partially accounts for his rounding up of mutants. Do you suppose that he was harvesting powers from prisoners?
And we didn't see Peter's/Nathan's mother this episode. Is this significant?
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Freaky episode. I think it will be irrelevant if they manage to change the past, though.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Did we ever see Peter use more than one power at a time this episode? It might be a critical plot point to know if his use of other powers is somehow limited.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:I am interested in knowing what Peter and Nathan's mom's power is.
I'm going to speculate that she has prescient dreams. A prescient dream of Nathan's crash was Peter's first expressed super power and yet we still don't know who he got this power from. What's more, Mom Petrelli said she knew about Nathan's and Peter's powers before they did which would be explained if she has prescient dreams.
quote:And we didn't see Peter's/Nathan's mother this episode. Is this significant?
I think the key significance is that we still don't know whether or not she is in league with Linderman. Because she wasn't in this episode we still have no idea where her true loyalties lie.
quote:Freaky episode. I think it will be irrelevant if they manage to change the past, though.
There are several things we learned that aren't irrelevant.
We learned that Peter is definitely the bomb.
We learned that what Isaac paints/draws can be changed and that Isaac saw a route to a different future.
We learned the Haitian has the ability to supress peoples powers.
We learned that the mutations can not be reversed or treated.
What else?
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I feel really bad for Isaac. He died thinking he had given Hiro the answer to save the world, but I don't think he did. What good is stabbing Syler if A) it's what Hiro did the first time to no effect and B) Peter is the one who blows up anyway?
I don't think anything Hiro intends to do is actually going to save the world. You'd think a man who can time travel would go back to the moment the bomb exploded and see exactly what happened. (Or take Peter or Claire who can regenerate and therefore aren't in danger.)
Posted by Feer (Member # 9846) on :
quote:Originally posted by BandoCommando:
We have confirmation now that the Haitian can supress ALL powers (or at least, all that we've encountered), and not just telepathy. It remains to be seen what the range is, and whether the skill is passive or must be conciously employed. Can he turn it off, does he have to be conscious for it to work, etc. still needs to be determined.
He must be able to control it, Parkman was able to read Hiro's mind while in the room with the Haitian.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by Feer:
quote:Originally posted by BandoCommando:
We have confirmation now that the Haitian can supress ALL powers (or at least, all that we've encountered), and not just telepathy. It remains to be seen what the range is, and whether the skill is passive or must be conciously employed. Can he turn it off, does he have to be conscious for it to work, etc. still needs to be determined.
He must be able to control it, Parkman was able to read Hiro's mind while in the room with the Haitian.
Now, how much can he control it? Can he, say, supress Hiro's abilities while leaving Parkman free to read minds? Or what?
Posted by Toretha (Member # 2233) on :
But what makes Peter explode?
Isn't is still possible that killing Sylar could prevent whatever brings Peter to critical mass?
Oh, and did anyone notice the Haitian talking at all this episode? I didn't, and I'm wondering why.
Posted by Feer (Member # 9846) on :
The Haitian hardly talks in any episode, why talk in this one?
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I don't think Matt Parkman is a bad person. I think almost anyone could, given the right circumstances, find themselves doing things that aren't right.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Yeah, Parkman doesn't strike me as being cruel or evil but rather just a person doing his job.
I was kind of wondering why killing sylar would stop the bomb. I was also wondering (briefly) if the guy Hiro "killed" was actually Peter, but that makes no sense at all.
Avid: The difference is that now Sylar can't regenerate.
Posted by Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged (Member # 7476) on :
I'm not usually shocked at a development on a TV show but when it was revealed Sylar was Nathan my jaw dropped...
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Yeah, that really freaked me out as well, but somehow made it more emotionally acceptable. Syler is just an evil character, so his presence means that I can emotionally detach to a greater degree, as opposed to when a human with whom I emphasize does something evil which is highly painful.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
I was originally thinking, "Sylar can freaking stop bullets, how is a sword going to stop him?"
Then I remembered that Hiro can manipulate time. *ashamed*
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
Couldn't Hiro go back in time and get rid of Sylar before he starts taking people's brains?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
There are clearly severe limitation to what can be done jumping to the past. We don't know the rules but we know that Hiro couldn't save Charlie. We know that when he visited Peter he said he was risking a rupture in space time by coming. We know that he has been studying the time line trying to find the precise moment when he can change things rather just going back and trying stuff. We know he needed to send present day Hiro back to stop Sylar rather than going himself. At any rate there seem to rules that limit what Hiro can do and future Hiro clearly has a better understanding of those rules than we do.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by BandoCommando: Now, how much can he control it? Can he, say, supress Hiro's abilities while leaving Parkman free to read minds? Or what?
I thought that was pretty clearly answered by the fact that Parkman was reading Hiro's mind in the room where the Haitian was supressing his powers.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
It's kinda a hole why Parkman couldn't pick up that Hiro had time traveled in. I think Hiro'd have thought of that sooner or later. Furthermore, when Syler was under all that drugging with Bennet, he seemed to come back from the dead.
What would stabbing him with a knife do that being killed with drugs didn't? Or perhaps there Syler used some power that let him fake death, and had he actually been physically killed he'd have died?
Anyway, trivia: The character who plays Hiro came from Brown! Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
When Peter and Sylar squared off:
*Peter stops time*
*Peter goes and takes a leak, eats a sandwich, and casually rips Sylar's head off with his super strength*
As cool as that confrontation was: ability to stop time > all other super powers
The only way I can justify him not using this power, would be if he was looking for the interesting fight which he claimed when Hiro asked if they should stop time for the guards.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
That Peter and Sylar fight was friggin awesome. That was one of the best episodes yet.
Did anyone else cringe when they saw that Niki and Peter got together? Bleh!
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
The fight was nice for what -- two seconds? (Though rather kickin' two seconds). I was wondering if they would try to outdo the earlier scene when the whole house is blown up.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:Did anyone else cringe when they saw that Niki and Peter got together?
I cringed because I was upset that she was still alive, period.
I am really hoping she dies, somehow, someway, and soon.
I wonder what percentage of my hate for the character is the crappy acting, how much is the boring plot-lines she's always in, and how much is the character herself.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
I definately cringed.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
I cringed when future Hiro said Peter was in Vegas, as I just assumed that meant he had hooked up with Nikki.
I definitely loved the episode though. I was disappointed Hatrack was down as I had a lot of thoughts, but now they all escape me.
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
Surely Mother Petrelli doesn't have prescient dreams. They've just made a point of killing off the character in the show that can see into the future. Why have another one?
My only major complaint with this episode was that it's been clear that when Parkman reads minds, he hears WORDS. Given that Hiro's first language is Japanese, and his English isn't fantastic yet, surely he thinks in Japanese. I mean. Right? And then Parkman wouldn't be able to understand him.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I think it's entirely possible that he reads thoughts, and those thoughts are transformed into words in his mind. I think he comes with a built in Rosetta Stone of sorts.
And as for Mrs. Petrelli knowing her kids had powers, I think it's because she had powers, and she just knew they had powers too, she didn't know what they were specifically.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
Xavier, I got the sense that Peter and Hiro have to concentrate to use their power to stop time. Maybe it's something he couldn't stop to do when he was face to face with Sylar.
Reaching I know, but otherwise it would just irritate me that Peter would kill him easily. It already bugs me that Mohinder didn't just kill him when he was unconscious on the floor.
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
In the second episode before the break there was a point where Parkman couldn't read Bennett's mind BECAUSE he was thinking in Japanese.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
You might could say that Hiro's stressed out state of being arrested and trying to communicate in faltering English might have shifted his mind from Japanese into English mode.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by sarcasticmuppet: You might could say that Hiro's stressed out state of being arrested and trying to communicate in faltering English might have shifted his mind from Japanese into English mode.
I know that were I in his situation, I would be trying to think how I could articulate my thoughts into English so that Parkman would stop hurting me, and let me save the world.
Also the actor playing parkman did a masterful job playing a jerk, I was thoroughly angry at him by the end of the episode, on the downside, Parkman's character has lost alot of stock in my book.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
This last episode presented a dystopian future, if I may use the term. It was fascinating to see how the various characters reflected this dystopia, rather than being the same characters we've grown to know and love (or hate). Given the dreadful events of the five years, it is understandable to see how come otherwise likeable characters turned bitter and even ruthless.
(Of course, it is easier to make us DISlike a character than it is to make us like one we'd previously disdained.
I really admired the writers when they made various reveals that indicated Bennett, while flawed, was at least motivated by a somewhat decent conscience, where previously, he was suspected of being sinister and evil himself.)
Back to my original point, I think that the 'dark-side' of Parkman is something that will probably only last the duration of that particular episode, unless the heroes are unable to prevent the explosion and resulting events.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
Peter and Hiro weren't much better. Hiro had become a terrorist and neither of them had any problem with killing all the guards when they went to save past-Hiro. They even discussed doing it the easy way by stopping time, but Peter hadn't had a good fight in a while.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Also, Parkman has had five years to hone his abilities. Maybe he can read intent now(then), and not just words.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
Besides time-stopping, Peter should be able to know what Sylar plans before he does it. He did get Parkman's mind-reading ability. I'm a little surprised Sylar hadn't killed Parkman to get that one.
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
Sylar was not able to shape shift before so did he kill the new young shape shifter girl? Probably around the same time he killed Patrelli.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
He must have killed DL too.
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
Is DL the atomic guy? Why was his flame blue and Peters red?
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by brojack17: Is DL the atomic guy? Why was his flame blue and Peters red?
Those were not blue flames, it was ice, Sylar has used that power once before.
DL is Niki's ex husband who can move through solid objects.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by sarcasticmuppet: You might could say that Hiro's stressed out state of being arrested and trying to communicate in faltering English might have shifted his mind from Japanese into English mode.
It's been 5 years. Maybe Parkman learned Japanese.
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
Oh yeah. I'm terrible with names.
When did he use the ice, I don't remember that ep.
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
I don't think Sylar killed DL - I vaguely remember his name being on the list of people (to help break out past-Hiro) future-Hiro brought to Mr. Bennet.
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
If Sylar did not kill DL then he killed someone else like him. He clearly went through the door on the last ep.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
quote:I vaguely remember his name being on the list of people (to help break out past-Hiro) future-Hiro brought to Mr. Bennet.
It's possible Hiro, nor Bennett, knew that DL had been killed if he had gone underground.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by brojack17: Oh yeah. I'm terrible with names.
When did he use the ice, I don't remember that ep.
I think its the 2nd episode when they introduce Parkman's character/power, he is looking for the little girl and her mother has been fastened to the stairs with knives and her father in the middle of eating cereal is frozen solid and his brain has been removed.
No clue what THAT man's powers were.
edit: I suppose that COULD be where Sylar got his ice powers in the first place.
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
Nice. You have a much better memory than me.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
quote:Originally posted by ludosti: I don't think Sylar killed DL - I vaguely remember his name being on the list of people (to help break out past-Hiro) future-Hiro brought to Mr. Bennet.
Candace's name was on that list, too, but it still turned out that Sylar had killed her.
--Mel
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
Ah - that makes more sense then.
Did anyone else wonder why Peter would have a big scar on his face when both he and Claire have been able to heal themselves without scars in the past?
Posted by Feer (Member # 9846) on :
He may have been in the presence of The Haitian. So he couldn't use that healing power when he recieved such an injury. Whatever the heck that might have been.
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
Oooh. I didn't think about that. Maybe he has an incounter with someone like Rogue (X-Men) who can take their powers away.
But then wouldn't he have that power and be able to take away Sylars powers when they meet?
I like this show.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
If Peter's innate ability is to absorb other's powers and the Haitian can block other's powers, then Peter couldn't absorb them. His ability to do so would be blocked.
If the Haitian was working for "Nathan", he wouldn't use his ability against him just like he didn't use them to block Parkman's ability. Why didn't "Nathan", really Sylar, kill the Haitian to get his powers? That would have made him unstoppable.
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
quote: If Peter's innate ability is to absorb other's powers and the Haitian can block other's powers, then Peter couldn't absorb them. His ability to do so would be blocked.
This sounds like a chicken or the egg situation. Who trumps who. The Haitian should be able to negate Peter's powers, but Peter should be able to absorb the Haitians power and, if you really want to get crazy, be able to use that power against the Haitian.
quote: If the Haitian was working for "Nathan", he wouldn't use his ability against him just like he didn't use them to block Parkman's ability. Why didn't "Nathan", really Sylar, kill the Haitian to get his powers? That would have made him unstoppable.
The Haitian can keep Sylar from using his immobility and wig splitting powers.
Edit: fix quotes
Posted by Feer (Member # 9846) on :
Is the Haitian working for Nathan (Sylar) or Parkman?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fyfe: Surely Mother Petrelli doesn't have prescient dreams. They've just made a point of killing off the character in the show that can see into the future. Why have another one?
They already have another because we know that Peter has prescient dreams and he had them before he met Isaac. The only question is who did Peter get the dream power from.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote:Originally posted by Fyfe: Surely Mother Petrelli doesn't have prescient dreams. They've just made a point of killing off the character in the show that can see into the future. Why have another one?
They already have another because we know that Peter has prescient dreams and he had them before he met Isaac. The only question is who did Peter get the dream power from.
Well who says that has to be a power at all, maybe he just happened to have them and will likely not have them ever again.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
quote: The Haitian can keep Sylar from using his immobility and wig splitting powers.
But if the Haitian thinks it's Nathan, he would have no reason to think he needs to be blocking his powers. Also, I don't think Sylar started out being able to open up skulls from across the room. He could always do it the old-fashioned way.
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
They didn't show him using his finger to open the watchmakers head. Maybe it was sometime after that. Or is being able to move a cup the same power as splitting someones head open.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
Wait a sec. I thought Sylar was the watch maker.
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
That's right. Who was the first guy he met. He was the one that could move stuff, right?
My old age is showing (it's sad that I'm only 32).
Posted by gsim1337 (Member # 10168) on :
quote:Did anyone else wonder why Peter would have a big scar on his face when both he and Claire have been able to heal themselves without scars in the past?
Wasn't the only reason he met Claire was the whole save the cheerleader save the world thing? In this alternate timeline didn't he never meet her, or did he meet her before that? And by the way, if Sylar takes peoples brains out to learn their powers, how was Clair able to regenerate?
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
The way I understood was that in the original timeline (let's call it timeline #1), Sylar killed Claire, took her power, and no one could stop him. Future Hiro, disliking this, traced it back to that event and went back in time to tell Peter to save the cheerleader (thus creating timeline #2).
In timeline #2, Peter does save Claire and she does survive. Something still goes wrong though. Sylar's not beaten, and Peter explodes (or something), destroying New York. Sylar is blamed for this. Sylar kills Nathan and takes his place (after killing the shapeshifting girl). A bunch of other stuff happens (which is referenced in the episode). This is the future that we saw.
Now Hiro is going back and trying to create a timeline #3, where nothing bad happens. Claire's still been saved. Hopefully Sylar can be stopped somehow, and hopefully Peter won't blow up New York. We'll have to see though.
The question I always had though had to deal with how Sylar could cut Claire's head open. Is it just that his telekinesis (or whatever he's using to do it) is just faster than her ability to regenerate? Because I mean going as slowly as he seems to, you'd think the regeneration would be able to keep pace (small cut made, it heals, small cut made, it heals).
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
The only time that Claire can't heal is when something is sticking inside her brain. If you think of Sylar's head-opener as a psychic knife, she does have something sticking inside her brain when it's happening.
Posted by Feer (Member # 9846) on :
Sylar could just throw glass at her, that seems to do well against quik healing powers.
I think that Peter will still blow up new york, but it will be evacuated, like was shown in the dream he had.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
Yeah, but wouldn't he need her brain to figure out how her power works? Maybe I'm playing off wrong assumptions here, but I thought (what with him being a clock/watch repair peson) that his power involved seeing how things worked and implementing them in himself. If that's the case though, wouldn't damaging her brain via a psychic knife keep him from being able to get her power? Or are we assuming that the brain has nothing to do with it (which seems contrary to what we've seen, what with all the sawed off heads)?
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote:I'm also told the bomb does go off in the season finale, but how and when it happens prevents the loss of a massive amount of innocent life. Anybody get the connection yet about why Nathan was running toward Peter in the scene of the bomb's explosion?
quote: In the really wild conjecture category, I just thought out a scenario for his vision that really could result in him saving NY and everyone around him.
According to the vision, he's surrounded by lots of the main characters. Claire, Hiro, DL and Nathan are all nearby.
If this scenario really does play out, could Peter time-travel using Hiro's ability? Like maybe back to June 30, 1908? That's the date of a major explosion in Siberia - and the nature of the blast is still being debated.
Using Nathan's power's he could come in on an aerial trajectory. Using some combination of Claire and DL's powers he might even survive.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Apparently, there's some sort of Molly character who is the only one who can stop Syler...
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Molly was the little girl in Episode two that Parkman saved.
My guesses? Mama Petrelli has an astral plane projection and can have out of body experiences. If she was prescient, she would have told the Haitian Claire was going to try to escape. Perhaps she can teleport? But that wouldn't explain why she knows so much. My guess is that when Peter dreamt about Nathan in the car wreck, he was using his mom's powers. Because, last time I checked, Peter, while being an empath, doesn't know where other people are and what they are doing.
Molly, though. Hmmm. Why would Hiro need Molly when infiltrating homeland security, and why would she be the only one who can stop Sylar? Perhaps her ability is something like the Haitians?
My question? Why did Jessica go away after the blast?
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by pfresh85: Yeah, but wouldn't he need her brain to figure out how her power works? Maybe I'm playing off wrong assumptions here, but I thought (what with him being a clock/watch repair peson) that his power involved seeing how things worked and implementing them in himself. If that's the case though, wouldn't damaging her brain via a psychic knife keep him from being able to get her power? Or are we assuming that the brain has nothing to do with it (which seems contrary to what we've seen, what with all the sawed off heads)?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he needs a more or less intact brain to do whatever he does. Eden was able to prevent him from getting her power by shooting herself in the head.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
And yet several times now we've seen him use the same voice that Eden used, which seems to suggest that somehow or another he in fact did get her power.
Otherwise, what's with the voice thing?
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: Molly was the little girl in Episode two that Parkman saved.
Are you sure?
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: And yet several times now we've seen him use the same voice that Eden used, which seems to suggest that somehow or another he in fact did get her power.
Otherwise, what's with the voice thing?
I can't remember the context of when he used the voice, but I do have a vague recollection of him using it. However, I can't seem to recall an exact incident in which he used the voice AND persuaded someone to do something. Is it possible that the actor was merely using a creepy voice that resembled Eden's voice?
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by BandoCommando:
quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: Molly was the little girl in Episode two that Parkman saved.
Are you sure?
Nevermind. I found corroboration myself.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I think Mama Petrelli's power is the dreams and that Peter simply absorbed it when his powers matured.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
I think that the fact that this topic has reached 30 pages is a testament to the awesomeness of this show.
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
Loved this week's show, but it was the most blatant copy of X-Men yet. Up till now it has been sort of a prequel to X-Men with a little X-Files conspiracy theory thrown in. This week I was waiting to see a Sentinel come around the corner any min.
After they stop the bomb (which I assume will be at the end of season 1/cliff hanger start of season 2), the writers will have a challenge not letting it turn into the X-Men.
The show has been really good since it returned from the break.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by SC Carver: Loved this week's show, but it was the most blatant copy of X-Men yet. Up till now it has been sort of a prequel to X-Men with a little X-Files conspiracy theory thrown in. This week I was waiting to see a Sentinel come around the corner any min.
After they stop the bomb (which I assume will be at the end of season 1/cliff hanger start of season 2), the writers will have a challenge not letting it turn into the X-Men.
The show has been really good since it returned from the break.
I shouldn't think so, if the bomb does not go off the existance of people with these powers will still be mostly a secret.
Although they do mention that in the aftermath of the bomb there is a huge surge of people with these genetic modifications. It will be interesting if the writers ever devise a catalyst.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote:Originally posted by SC Carver: ... the writers will have a challenge not letting it turn into the X-Men.
I suspect that the budget will prevent that Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
I shouldn't think so, if the bomb does not go off the existance of people with these powers will still be mostly a secret.
Although they do mention that in the aftermath of the bomb there is a huge surge of people with these genetic modifications. It will be interesting if the writers ever devise a catalyst. [/QB]
I was thinking more inline with the entire X-Men world. 30+ years at some point they have probably done a pretty good job of covering most of the issues that come up with a sub group of humans who develop super powers.... Groups of bad “heroes” banding together to take over, crimes, ect. Groups of good heroes coming together to stop them. Secret schools to train heroes how to use their powers, blend into regular society
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
Forgive me if this has been answered already, but people keep asking why killing Sylar will stop the bomb.
And the answer is that it won't. BUT, no one knows that. As far as everyone in the future is concerned, Sylar blew up New York and killed everyone. Future Peter seems to be the only one to know otherwise. Who in the present timeline knows that Peter is the bomb? Peter, Nathan, Linderman, Isaac(who's dead), anyone else?
The important thing is that Hiro doesn't know this information. But what I'm hoping is that present Hiro, after coming back from the future, realizes that saving the cheerleader didn't help and that something else went wrong. That killing Sylar isn't enough.
All the different players in the game aren't communicating everything they know to each other, that needs to happen for them to figure all this out.
Posted by Feer (Member # 9846) on :
quote:Originally posted by SC Carver:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
I shouldn't think so, if the bomb does not go off the existance of people with these powers will still be mostly a secret.
Although they do mention that in the aftermath of the bomb there is a huge surge of people with these genetic modifications. It will be interesting if the writers ever devise a catalyst.
I was thinking more inline with the entire X-Men world. 30+ years at some point they have probably done a pretty good job of covering most of the issues that come up with a sub group of humans who develop super powers.... Groups of bad “heroes” banding together to take over, crimes, ect. Groups of good heroes coming together to stop them. Secret schools to train heroes how to use their powers, blend into regular society [/QB]
I dont see that happening with heroes. The characters are so diverse that there arn't really "evil mutants" (maybe exception of sylar) They are really like you or me, like normal humans, we arn't good or bad, we just do what we need to do.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Good point above about the characters being sufficently real to avoid senseless evil. That's kind of why the whole Nathan being evil in the future thing was so emotionally shocking, and why his being Sylar made it more "bearable."
Still, the last strip of the comic strip (which predicted the future -- how did it survive the blast?) ends with Sylar being stabbed. Clearly, that's a pivotal moment.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
You know, a nuke doesn't necessarily incinerate an entire city. It looked to me like Simone's father's building and the neighborhood around it got hit by the shockwave, but weren't close enough to ground zero to burn.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Well, Isaac gave the comic to a messenger to take somewhere, so I assume that wherever the messenger took it (to his publisher, maybe?) was a safe place in the city.
The new Entertainment Weekly has some nifty spoilers for the next three eps. Sylar's mother will be there, for example.
Posted by shabbit (Member # 9925) on :
quote:Originally posted by SC Carver: Loved this week's show, but it was the most blatant copy of X-Men yet. Up till now it has been sort of a prequel to X-Men with a little X-Files conspiracy theory thrown in. This week I was waiting to see a Sentinel come around the corner any min.
What about the last panel of the comic on NBC's website? The team mutant on mutant action reminded me the most of X-men. Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
I enjoyed this episode, mainly because it somewhat focused on Sylar and his own feelings, doubts, and his past. It was interesting. I'm left wondering what sort of role Micah will play (if Linderman went to all that trouble). I'm also wondering (spoilers if you didn't watch the preview) how Sylar will stumble across Ted's powers (since it seemed like he had them when he said "Boom." in the preview).
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Darn it, I thought that Syler had killed his mom in the snowglobe, and was thinking *best murder ever!* Did they have sex or something?
Yes, it was nice to have some sort of rational for Sylar, but I didn't like this episode that much. Felt kinda empty, though I can't say why.
Posted by Feer (Member # 9846) on :
I had the same feeling, it didn't really drive anything forward. I liked knowing that Sylar was scared of blowing up, made him seem stopable and more human. Him drawing in his moms blood was freaky, gave me chills.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
quote:Originally posted by pfresh85: I'm left wondering what sort of role Micah will play (if Linderman went to all that trouble).
I didn't think of this until last night, but I think it's pretty clear that Micah will be rigging the voting machines so that Nathan wins the election. That explains why Linderman is so sure that he'll win, even though Nathan keeps dropping in the polls.
--Mel
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
I really wish they'd had Sylar go home to Mom a long time ago. This was the first time i really gave a crap about him. I think he's a much more effective villian now.
Second the creepiness of the painting in mom's blood.
I was also surprised to enjoy a DL and Jessica scene. I think DL took Linderman's spying pretty well. I'd have freaked out myself. Now here's hoping they can save Micah from the bomb.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
I agree. I really enjoyed what they did with Sylars character. I really do roll my eyes at the unjustificable evil, the "I'll eat a baby for no reason whatsoever except to establish that I'm a bad guy."
Even Hiro saw that glimpse of a tortured soul. Good episode.
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
I agree the background on Sylar was good, but I am still ticked off that neither Hiro nor Mohinder killed him when they had the chance. This episode seemed to be mostly filler. Maybe 22 episodes is a bit much for one story arc.
To the point above. You guys are right; all of these characters so far are much more developed than the most of the comic book super heroes. But over the years X-men has rounded out many of its characters. Magneto isn't all good or bad. He believes what he is doing is for the best. In fact X-men probably has done a better job of developing characters than most of the Marvel universe. Of course I haven't read any of them in years.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
quote:Originally posted by theCrowsWife: I didn't think of this until last night, but I think it's pretty clear that Micah will be rigging the voting machines so that Nathan wins the election. That explains why Linderman is so sure that he'll win, even though Nathan keeps dropping in the polls.
--Mel
I hadn't thought of that. It seems very plausible and likely. Good idea. Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by pfresh85:
quote:Originally posted by theCrowsWife: I didn't think of this until last night, but I think it's pretty clear that Micah will be rigging the voting machines so that Nathan wins the election. That explains why Linderman is so sure that he'll win, even though Nathan keeps dropping in the polls.
--Mel
I hadn't thought of that. It seems very plausible and likely. Good idea.
Forgive me if I come across as arrogant, but I thought this scenario was obvious from the moment Linderman said he needed to use Micah to get Nathan to win.
I am in agreement with folks about last night's episode and how it felt empty, in spite of some great development of Sylar's character (he actually HAS one now!).
The last two episodes had BETTER BE GOOD!
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I think the episode was crucial for Sylar's character. I definately understand who he is far better. His name being Gabriel just felt "right."
Ice powers once again manifest! I really wish we knew how he got them.
Also it appears Sylar is not so skillful with his telekinetic powers, seems he bit off more then he could chew when he hurt his mother.
VERY interesting idea with Micah and the voting machines.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
So how did Sylar unfreeze time just before Hiro stabbed him? Or was that Hiro weakening because he wasn't sure what he wanted to do?
I also liked that Sylar felt regret and fear for what he saw himself do in the future. I didn't realize (maybe they said it in another episode and I missed it?) that Sylar was taking other peoples powers because he thought that they didn't deserve it, but he was shocked and horrified at the idea of killing innocent people.
Good call on Micah Mel. I was trying to figure it out, and that seems like the best bet.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
The way I understood it was that Hiro hesitated, closed his eyes, and then time started up again. I think his hesitation combined with closing his eyes (which he always seems to do when he activates his powers) just turned his time stopping power off. I don't think Sylar has any sort of power to get out of being frozen in time.
As for the voting machine stuff, I may have just missed part of a line somewhere in the show. I was multi-tasking at the time. I recall hearing that Linderman needed Micah, but I didn't hear that it was for the election. I thought it was just to fulfill that one painting/illustraton.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
quote:I think his hesitation combined with closing his eyes (which he always seems to do when he activates his powers) just turned his time stopping power off.
Well that was pretty stupid of him.
Also, I really like the painting of Micah in the flames. I would hang it in my living room if I could.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
I think it's pretty obvious (though maybe only to those of us without thorough grounding in super-power lore) that most of heroes have an incomplete grasp of their abilities. Peter struggles to control new abilities, or even use them without some effort/concentration.
With the possible exception of reactive abilities (like Claire's) or reactive use of abilities (like Niki/Jessica when she's threatened), most of them are as wobbly as a kindergartener who just had the training wheels taken off his bike. And even pro cyclists take a tumble now and again.
So these hiccups in abilities are not so much stupid (or betraying some thematic inconsistencies, as they might be seen to do in a spandex super-hero comic) as consistent with the underlying realism and humanity the show is going for. I think I like it this way better.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Awesome episode.
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
I thought the voting machine thing was pretty obvious, but writer like to trick you so who knows.
Did anyone catch Sylar in the preview for next two weeks saying Boom. It looked like he wasn't in the city, and wasn't the one exploding. Assuming Peter doesn't blow up in the first scene next week, I'm guessing he's not the bomb. So we could back to it being Ted?
The only other scenario I can think of is they kill peter and then remove the bullets or what ever killed him in two days. When he wakes up he blows.
Have Peter’s mom or Lenderman said why the bomb will save millions of lives? Do we think that is really their motivations or are they just trying to create a puppet President?
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
Wouldn't it be a lot easier to sneak a real bomb into NY than go through all this trouble to get a person to blow up there? Why is it important the explosion is a person?
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
quote:Do we think that is really their motivations or are they just trying to create a puppet President?
My guess is puppet president and then... the world.
quote:Why is it important the explosion is a person?
Maybe so they will have a good excuse for when they want to start exterminating the 'mutants', like they wanted to do in the future last week? Why they wanted to do that in the first place though, I didn't catch.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Sylar wanted to exterminate them. He wanted to be the only one who was special. Remember that he had to pretend he was helping them in order to get his extermination package through.
Posted by Feer (Member # 9846) on :
Yeah I agree, I dont think Linderman wants the extermination of the mutants, I think that was just Sylar as Nathan.
Does Sylar want to become President, like we know he does in the future episode, becuase his mom wanted him to?
Did any one else know that the "Walker" tracking system was going be a mutant as soon as Thompson metioned it to Mohinder?
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Did anyone notice that Mama Petrelli used the same phrase with Nathan last night that "future Hiro" used with Peter when he time travelled to the subway?
"be the one we need"
In Mama Petrelli's case, it was put into a question form, but it's interesting the writers chose to use the phrase in both cases. I'm sure they expected obsessive types like me to notice. Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
But didn't the other bigwigs want to exterminate all of the mutants too? I can't remember off the top of my head, but I could swear I remember them talking about it... maybe it was just Sylar-as-Nathan, but I thought there were others.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I'm more curious than ever about what happened in the past. I think it's clear that Mama Petrelli worked with the shadowy Linderman group to try and change things before it all went awry. That would confirm for me that she does have a power, and I want to know what it is. I also want to know what it is that their group did, who was in it, and how it fell apart. There's some great material for backstory here.
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
I was getting a vague impression that she may still be connected with the Linderman group. Don't really have anything to back it up.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Mohinder has GOT to be the biggest stooge on the planet. "Cure this girl who can find anyone, because, gosh, then we can catch Sylar!"
"Golly! Sure, that's a great idea!"
Meanwhile, wasn't he equally adamant that the organization NOT get control of any means of finding all the mutants? Doesn't he realize that curing Molly will ultimately mean the easy tracking of any and all mutants?
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
He's stupid.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
He's not stupid, he's narrow minded.
I think he knows full well the consequences of what he's doing, but a combination of his fanatical need to end Sylar, and the memory of his sister's death are putting all thoughts of common sense out the window.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
Can we say tunnel vision?
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
Hopefully the writers will at least have him try to rescue her. Maybe he thought he could get her out once he cures her.
I don't know if she can tell the difference between mutant or non-mutant. Maybe she has to know who she is looking for first. A photo, a name or something. She would definitely be able to help them find any mutants they already know about. That is why they need his method for identifying them.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by BandoCommando: Mohinder has GOT to be the biggest stooge on the planet. "Cure this girl who can find anyone, because, gosh, then we can catch Sylar!"
"Golly! Sure, that's a great idea!"
Meanwhile, wasn't he equally adamant that the organization NOT get control of any means of finding all the mutants? Doesn't he realize that curing Molly will ultimately mean the easy tracking of any and all mutants?
Sylar killed his father and almost killed him as well. I imagine he'll do just about anything necessary to put the dog down. And worry about the repercussions afterwards.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by BandoCommando: Mohinder has GOT to be the biggest stooge on the planet. "Cure this girl who can find anyone, because, gosh, then we can catch Sylar!"
"Golly! Sure, that's a great idea!"
Meanwhile, wasn't he equally adamant that the organization NOT get control of any means of finding all the mutants? Doesn't he realize that curing Molly will ultimately mean the easy tracking of any and all mutants?
Sylar killed his father and almost killed him as well. I imagine he'll do just about anything necessary to put the dog down. And worry about the repercussions afterwards.
Also, they can't tell Molly who to find if they don't have Mohinder's formula to figure out who they want to find in the first place.
Basically, Molly knows where they are; but Mohinder knows who they are. They need eachother.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Did anybody stop to think of the badness that would ensue if Sylar were to gain Molly's powers?
"Hm, I wonder where Claire is today?"
But yea. Combine Molly's (not quite) omniscience with Hiro's omnipresence and Claire's invulnerability and you have...ouch.
Posted by gsim1337 (Member # 10168) on :
Wow, Peter should totally meet her then. If he does, masters his powers, and gets Suresh's list he can pretty obsorb every power in the world. Talk about omnipowerfull.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Never liked that comic :/.
Posted by BaoQingTian (Member # 8775) on :
I don't think that Mohinder is so blinded by a desire for revenge that he hasn't considered the repercussions of what he is doing. I'm sure he has a contingency plan on getting Molly out of their hands and into hiding.
The only glaringly stupid thing that he's done is not put a bullet in Sylar's brain when he had the chance (twice). Both times Sylar was out cold. So rather than stupidity, it may just be that he has a hard time killing someone execution style (or at all).
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Well, I suppose we COULD give him the benefit of the doubt. We'll soon see.
I wish that the writers would have indicated some motivation (or anti-motivation) for Mohinder not shooting Sylar when he had the chance. Ah well.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Heroes has already spawned a spin-off.
Next year, "Heroes: Origins" will introduce a new Hero every week and we the people get to pick who stays and who goes.
I guess NBC decided the best thing to do was breed the two biggest hits, Heroes and American Idol, and then air their demon spawn on television. I don't mind a spinoff, heck, I'd love for them to do a show about Linderman's generation, I think it could be cool. But THIS sounds goofy.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:Next year, "Heroes: Origins" will introduce a new Hero every week and we the people get to pick who stays and who goes.
I wish they would implement this on the real "Heroes" just once, so that we could kick Niki off of the show.
Ali Larter has cemented herself in my mind as my least favorite actress for years to come.
But yeah, in general, this sounds really dumb. I hope they don't kill the show with these sorts of ideas.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Heroes has already spawned a spin-off.
Next year, "Heroes: Origins" will introduce a new Hero every week and we the people get to pick who stays and who goes.
I guess NBC decided the best thing to do was breed the two biggest hits, Heroes and American Idol, and then air their demon spawn on television. I don't mind a spinoff, heck, I'd love for them to do a show about Linderman's generation, I think it could be cool. But THIS sounds goofy.
Please tell me you're joking.
Posted by just_me (Member # 3302) on :
Was just reading through and saw this back on page 29...
quote:Originally posted by theCrowsWife:
quote:Originally posted by ludosti: I don't think Sylar killed DL - I vaguely remember his name being on the list of people (to help break out past-Hiro) future-Hiro brought to Mr. Bennet.
Candace's name was on that list, too, but it still turned out that Sylar had killed her.
--Mel
When Parkman was talking to Bennet they mentioned the arrangement they had where Parkman got the "dangerous ones" and Bennet hid the others. I think DL and Candace went to Bennet to hide them and he turned them over to Parkman (who then turned them over to Sylar as Nathan). Bennet called Parkman on Hiro and Ando after all - probably to maintain his end of the deal in part and probably since he couldn't produce the people on the list that Hiro brought him since he had betrayed them...
Posted by gsim1337 (Member # 10168) on :
quote:Heroes has already spawned a spin-off.
Next year, "Heroes: Origins" will introduce a new Hero every week and we the people get to pick who stays and who goes.
I don't know whether to do this or this .
Posted by BaoQingTian (Member # 8775) on :
I should just stop watching in two weeks. I've had my heart broken way to many times by network television. I just don't think that I can ever love again. It may have to be all about the DVD releases for shows.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
9/10 for that one, and I hate to give out such high scores will-nilly.
I LOVE Hiro's dad. Japanese sentimentality/drama is so cute/touching.
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
An enjoyable episode. It started off a bit slow, but it did what it needed to do: set up the big season finale. I'm really looking forward to it. I probably won't get to see it till the week after next though, as I'll be in Hawaii next week (with probably no real access to TV and internet).
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
funny how a sci-fi show can have the same finale drama as 24 -- nuke about to go off, how to stop it.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Michael Shanks is now on 24, I may just have to go and watch it now.
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Heroes has already spawned a spin-off.
Next year, "Heroes: Origins" will introduce a new Hero every week and we the people get to pick who stays and who goes.
I guess NBC decided the best thing to do was breed the two biggest hits, Heroes and American Idol, and then air their demon spawn on television. I don't mind a spinoff, heck, I'd love for them to do a show about Linderman's generation, I think it could be cool. But THIS sounds goofy.
As I understand it, Lyr, "Origins" will be an anthology-type show, not a "contest show" per se. There -will- be voting, but it will be conducted online, not within the actual series.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
This episode was pretty messed up. I didn't think Linderman would die, and I certainly didn't think DL would take him out like that. On the bright side, while Niki still annoyed the crap out of me, I actually liked Jessica.
Mohinder still gets my vote for dumbest smart person ever. Bennett has announced that he fears Molly because his daughter will never be safe while she lives. All Mohinder has to do is offer to take Molly away and hide her from the Company. Bennett would even help him do it.
I'm really curious as to why Parkman didn't hear Mohinder and Molly. Were they just too far away, or should I expect the Haitian to pop up in the next room?
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by AvidReader: This episode was pretty messed up. I didn't think Linderman would die, and I certainly didn't think DL would take him out like that. On the bright side, while Niki still annoyed the crap out of me, I actually liked Jessica.
Mohinder still gets my vote for dumbest smart person ever. Bennett has announced that he fears Molly because his daughter will never be safe while she lives. All Mohinder has to do is offer to take Molly away and hide her from the Company. Bennett would even help him do it.
I'm really curious as to why Parkman didn't hear Mohinder and Molly. Were they just too far away, or should I expect the Haitian to pop up in the next room?
I'm agreed on several counts. My wife asked, "Why the heck don't they just TALK to each other?"
Lots of people died in this episode: it was almost like a season ending episode of 24 in that regard! Let's see:
Linderman DL (presumably) Ted Bennett's former boss
Did I miss anyone?
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
DL was in the "coming next week" scenes, so he might not be down yet.
I did get my son to crack up by yelling, right after Sylar got Ted, "You killed Ted, you medieval dickweed!"
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Damn Chris.. I wish I had said that.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Bennett killing Thompson was the best thing I've ever seen. None of this, "Now I've got you. Any last words? Do you know why I'm going to kill you? Do you know what your biggest mistake was? How about those Cubs? Oh, yeah, I'm really going to shoot you. Any second now. So don't try and make a play for my gun or anything like that while I'm distracted."
Just "bang". Granted, there was the requisite snide comment, but then just... "bang". I liked it.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Bennett killing Thompson was the best thing I've ever seen. None of this, "Now I've got you. Any last words? Do you know why I'm going to kill you? Do you know what your biggest mistake was? How about those Cubs? Oh, yeah, I'm really going to shoot you. Any second now. So don't try and make a play for my gun or anything like that while I'm distracted."
Just "bang". Granted, there was the requisite snide comment, but then just... "bang". I liked it.
Agreed. Of course, the snide comment would have been cooler AFTER being shot by Bennett, because then it wouldn't have given the dude any warnings. Ah well.
Posted by Feer (Member # 9846) on :
I have never yelled at the T.V. so much in my life, either in joy or anger, then I did last night watching heroes. When Ted died I too screamed obscenities, I was not a happy camper. But when Thompson and Linderman died, I was Jumping up and down with excitment.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Yes, the killing of Thompson was efficent and sweet, and rather pleasant -- no digressions, nothing. In real life, you need to kill the person about to kill you, not equivicate.
The ending scene with the speech and changing views was touching, very strong dramatically and well within the confines of good taste.
Posted by gsim1337 (Member # 10168) on :
Why didnt't Ted blast Sylar when he started to cut open his head? Does Sylar jam people's power when he does that?
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
I'd imagine that the pain of getting the top of your head removed would distract you enough that you wouldn't think to use your power.
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
Darn all of you and your discussing Heroes! I was out last night and missed it and now I have to wait until Friday on SciFi! Posted by Feer (Member # 9846) on :
So does Physcal illness and fatigue affect the powers of all the mutants? Like the virus affected Mollys abilty to locate people?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
if powers are biologically inclined yes.
Posted by Damien.m (Member # 8462) on :
Does anyone else think that maybe when DL put his hand through Linderman that he may have been healed?
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by Damien.m: Does anyone else think that maybe when DL put his hand through Linderman that he may have been healed?
I doubt it, but I suppose it's possible.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
vonk: You could always watch it on the website.
Posted by Launchywiggin (Member # 9116) on :
I've watched the last 6 online. It's so much better than sitting through commercials.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
My first thought when Linderman got to Nathan's house was that he was going to heal his wife. Granted I only called it about two minutes before it actually happened, but I still totally called it.
I like Hiro's father now. I thought he was a bit of a dick at first, and I still thought he was in league with Linderman, but the way he helped his son, and let him go off and follow his destiny, that was really cool. That whole scene was cool, with the possible exception of how unbelievable it was that Hiro became a sword master in like an hour. I guess the George Takei School of Swordsmanship is some potent stuff.
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
Here is a clip that includes Masi Oka being interviewed at a comic book store. His impression of George Takei is hi-frakkin'-larious.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Finally! After three weeks of missing it, I caught up last night. Stupid slow internet connection takes forever to download the episodes.
I'm really thinking that Mama Petrelli will die. She and Linderman are the power players behind the nuclear bomb and they were both conspicuously absent from the future episode. Now Linderman is dead. That just leaves Mama Petrelli.
The comic seemed to indicate that Papa Petrelli didn't have any power (when he met up with Linderman in Vietnam). But then Mama Petrelli says that he had some crazy power or something. I'll be curious as to the heritage of the Petrelli family.
Big thing: Unless there are multiple people who can walk through walls (logically sound but that would be annoying for them to throw in duplicate powers on the show), the future has changed. Well, it's changed if DL really died, because Sylar won't have his power.
Yeah, I'm definitely really curious as to who's going to blow up. I knew it wouldn't be Ted. But Sylar and Peter really look kind of a like. The pictures of the burning man could just as easily be one or the other. Peter can control his ability now, and there really hasn't been any precedent for him losing control of an ability he already has, just having a hard time harnessing it to begin with. Sylar seems to have his mind set on blowing the city up now. It seems almost like the end result of the future can't be changed, but the specifics can. Like, now instead of Peter blowing up, Sylar will. Still a big boom. But then ... if Sylar can't regenerate, will he die when he blows up? Gah! I don't know.
Interesting thing - In the future, the legislation which made it hard for mutants to live was called the Linderman Act. Maybe in honor of him? But he was always a shadowy behind the scenes player. And also, in the future they mentioned a war. I don't think that really has any bearing on anything, but seriously, if Peter were on one side and he mastered the ability of teleporting/stopping time, how could his side lose the war?
Final thoughts: Ando going off with the sword was awesome. Ando, one of the two main characters (the other being Bennet) without a power, going off to kill the most dangerous character in the show. Bennet offing Thompson was sweet. And I really really don't trust Suresh anywhere near a gun. He will find some way to screw the situation up.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Here is a clip that includes Masi Oka being interviewed at a comic book store. His impression of George Takei is hi-frakkin'-larious.
Maybe I am just stupid but I can't find the link to the actual video on that page anywhere Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: Final thoughts: Ando going off with the sword was awesome. Ando, one of the two main characters (the other being Bennet) without a power, going off to kill the most dangerous character in the show. Bennet offing Thompson was sweet. And I really really don't trust Suresh anywhere near a gun. He will find some way to screw the situation up.
Suresh is without powers also. Or did I forget something.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Here is a clip that includes Masi Oka being interviewed at a comic book store. His impression of George Takei is hi-frakkin'-larious.
Maybe I am just stupid but I can't find the link to the actual video on that page anywhere
Right under the headline, there's a window with a picture of Masi Oka and Kristin standing in a comic book store. It's an embedded video. If you click on it, it'll play.
If you don't have Javascript enabled in your browser, it should say "You must have JavaScript enabled to watch Vine Videos".
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: But then ... if Sylar can't regenerate, will he die when he blows up?
I don't know, but Ted did seem ok after that whole thing in the Bennet house, even though it burned Claire pretty badly.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Sylar wasnt killed in the new timeline because Hiro by traveling in the future isnt there to kill Sylar so things are still up for grabs.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by ricree101:
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: But then ... if Sylar can't regenerate, will he die when he blows up?
I don't know, but Ted did seem ok after that whole thing in the Bennet house, even though it burned Claire pretty badly.
Good point. I hadn't considered that.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Sylar wasnt killed in the new timeline because Hiro by traveling in the future isnt there to kill Sylar so things are still up for grabs.
But Hiro came back.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
now he did, remember this is time travel we are talking about, he came back so now the future will change again.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
In the future timeline, Hiro didn't kill Sylar until AFTER the nuclear blast went off anyway, so though much has already changed, killing Sylar after or before the blast can still happen. Though, since we now know that Hiro never actually killed Sylar, it's kind of a moot point.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
quote:Originally posted by brojack17:
quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: Final thoughts: Ando going off with the sword was awesome. Ando, one of the two main characters (the other being Bennet) without a power, going off to kill the most dangerous character in the show. Bennet offing Thompson was sweet. And I really really don't trust Suresh anywhere near a gun. He will find some way to screw the situation up.
Suresh is without powers also. Or did I forget something.
Nope, I forgot something. Lucidity is not always my strong point.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: In the future timeline, Hiro didn't kill Sylar until AFTER the nuclear blast went off anyway, so though much has already changed, killing Sylar after or before the blast can still happen. Though, since we now know that Hiro never actually killed Sylar, it's kind of a moot point.
Edit: I basically said the same thing you did. lol
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Marathon going on at SciFi right now. I'm disappointed, though, I was hoping for the whole thing. They started with episode 9, will go through to the end, and cap it off with the pilot.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
NBC currently has ALL the episodes available on their web site to watch for free.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
The show had a really different feel at first, I think. It's a pity it's gonna be a one season thing, and even moreso that we're gonna be bombarded in spin-offs, but it was a good thing while it lasted, and having that hour of my week back will be nice.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Certainly Heroes will spawn a number of similar sci-fi/fantasy type shows from NBC and other networks, because what works is copied, that's television.
But the only official spinoff is an 8 episode arc called Origins, and it will show during a two month hiatus next season specifically to make sure that people don't lose interest during the long hiatus (as happened this year). At first I didn't like it, but having something to watch during the break sounds nice, I just think the voting angle is pretty stupid.
And there's no cause to fret yet, there's no reason to believe that S2 of Heroes will be bad, or of lesser quality than S1.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
OK, season finale's tonight. Who's gonna die? Place yer bets!
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
I think Syler will die (or maybe I'm just hoping)
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
One internet bucks says Nathan dies. Besides Sylar dying he is the only death.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Alrighty, my call - Mama Patrelli dies, Peter blows, Sylar dies, and someone else is mortally wounded (maybe Hiro, maybe Ando).
Edit: Oh, and Nathan realizes he can't stop the bomb itself, but does somehow clear the city so that there is very little if any civilian death.
Posted by His Savageness (Member # 7428) on :
First post finale post!
Firstly, if Sylar isn't dead (and it seems to be looking like he's not) I'm going to be ANGRY. I wanted next season to focus on Molly's "worse" super villain.
Secondly, my prediction for season two based on the teaser: George Takai IS Kensei. He's also immortal. Discuss amongst yourselves.
Posted by Luet13 (Member # 9274) on :
Wow. I did not see that coming at all. What an awesome way to save the world. I guess I had pretty much given up on Nathan, so it came as a shock to see him do the right thing.
And now I'm curious about that whole Hiro and the samurai thing at the very end there.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
I was really surprised when Niki knocked Candace out and she morphed back into the form we've seen her in before. I would have expected her to be grossly fat. She said she was fat last week, after all.
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
OK Why did Nathan have to die? (Not that I liked him any way) Why couldn't Peter just fly away, or teleport? He has been around both Nathan and Hiro before he should have been able to get himself out of town. If he was unable to, why would it be better for Peter to live than Nathan? Assuming Peter survives the blast. If it is not important for Peter to live, someone could have just shot him. I understand the whole redemption thing with Nathan, but I just didn't think it was necessary.
So Sylar got away. Why didn't Jessica or someone stop him, shoot him?
I love this series, but a couple of things didn't seem to be well thought out to me.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I think maybe Sylar will become just another minion under this new villain.
Is it implied Peter is dead? I can take Nathan being dead, but I'd be mad if Peter is. I doubt he is, but shouldn't he have fallen to earth or something?
Once I saw the episode was going to sort of focus on Parkman I pegged him as the cliffhanger death.
Nice that Niki finally realized her strength.
Also nice that Peter started reading minds.
VERY nice to know Bennets first name. FINALLY.
And a very nice set up for next season. I don't think there's enough information to speculate on Peter's whole dream/reality sequence. It was very weird. But definitely set the stage for a series rather than just a show.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
I agree that Candance should have been fat. It would have added a extra level of emotional complexity to her. The end of Linderman was not optimal either in my opinion, though it was nice to at last see some security. And sheesh, Sylar should have died already.
It was cute to see Hiro finally be "bad-ass," and I was quite touched both by the ending monolog and the delightful quote from Molly: "Don't die, you're my hero."
The whole "We could be heroes" theme is one of the most moving aspect of this series and drives home that we are dealing with people here. I really liked the black guy with the deep voice, and I also liked Hiro's father -- as usual.
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
Dido on the fat thing.
I'm also getting tired of Sylar and would like to see the new even worse bad guy. "when i think about him he can see me" reminds me of Saraun from LOTR. The eye that never sleeps kind of thing.
Posted by His Savageness (Member # 7428) on :
Yeah. I've been thinking about Sylar's blood leading to the sewer, and I don't think he crawled, I think he was dragged.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Carver, I figure that Peter is still alive, a bullet would have messed up his brain too much for repair so that would have killed him, and right now he can only use one power at a time. He really doesn't have that great of control over his powers (as is evidenced by the fact that he exploded). In the future I think he used two powers at once (telekenisis and invisibility) but so far I don't think he has.
Also, the whole Sylar = Cockroach thing is annoying. When Sylar was in captivity it showed him watching a cockroach, Mohinder says a cockroach is the most complete form of evolution or something at one point, and now at the very end there's a cockroach climbing over the manhole cover.
Posted by His Savageness (Member # 7428) on :
quote: OK Why did Nathan have to die? (Not that I liked him any way) Why couldn't Peter just fly away, or teleport? He has been around both Nathan and Hiro before he should have been able to get himself out of town
I assumed that Peter couldn't fly or teleport because all his concentration was taken up trying to contain the nuclear power.
quote: If he was unable to, why would it be better for Peter to live than Nathan?
Looking at it from a pure "which hero is the most useful" stance, Peter wins hands down.
[ May 21, 2007, 10:33 PM: Message edited by: His Savageness ]
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
Yea, I think Peter will still be alive, He is too good a character to kill off. One day he'll make superman look like a whimp.
They did seem to give Sylar a death scene.
What if Hiro's father isn't immortal, but has the same power as Hiro and has done a lot of traveling through time.
Posted by His Savageness (Member # 7428) on :
quote: What if Hiro's father isn't immortal, but has the same power as Hiro and has done a lot of traveling through time.
That was my first thought, but I rejected it because up to now they've never had the children possess the same powers as the parents. It very well could be the case, though. I still maintain that his dad's Kensei. That looked like George Takai behind the mask.
Edited for grammar and spelling.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by His Savageness: I still maintain that his dad's Kensei. That looked like George Takai behind the mask.
That is an interesting idea. It might also explain his general disapproval of Hiro. Given how much this whole journey has changed Hiro, it might have been hard for his dad to really connect that Hiro with the one he met in the past.
If this theory is true, I'm very interested in seeing exactly what the whole Kensei and the Dragon story is all about.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Mama Petrelli already told Claire that she gave Peter the power to survive the blast.
The only reason to not just shoot Peter would be because Nathan could save Peter the REAL hero and thus allow him to come back.
Also I am really mad because I was thinking, "HA! Nathan and Sylar are dead, I totally called it!" Then I saw the manhole cover." The way they have played Nathan's character completely sets him up for one last redemptive act in the future.
I also understood that Peter could not focus on stopping his explosive powers and at the same time fly away.
The problem I have with Sylar still being alive was that we clearly see his future sight flickering and showing him laying in a pool of blood dead, shouldn't we have seen a man hole cover or something like that in his eyes? Perhaps Savage is right and he was dragged there by the "boogey man."
Any ideas on what could be worse then Sylar?
When Peter went to work on Sylar I was VERY pleased, none of this power stuff, just good old fashioned duke bashing. Was Sylar too beat up to stop Hiro from rushing with his sword and stabbing him?
Also really good move giving Ando the sword before Hiro goes back in time to feudal Japan and has an identical sword to his ancestor.
I really have no idea where this series is going, but thus far the writing has pleased me alot, I hope they can pull a season 2 off! Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
You know, it's too bad that Peter died before he could get Linderman's power. I'm sure that one could really come in handy sometime in the future.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
I was a little disappointed there wasn't more of an... epic... feel to the ending. If a couple of the heroes had, you know, attacked Sylar at the same time instead of stepping up one at a time, things would have moved along faster. As it was it was kinda sluggish and almost anticlimactic. Sylar has moved much faster, used more powers simultaneously before. Why was he so lame at the end? Satisfying ending, wasn't happy with the pacing.
Loved the preview of next season...
Posted by KarlEd (Member # 571) on :
I coulda sworn the reality bending chick transformed into a dude when she got knocked out.
At any rate, she didn't say she was fat. The kid said, "You keep eating like that and you're gonna get fat", to which she replied, "How do you know I'm not?" At least that's how I remember it.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Chris Bridges: I was a little disappointed there wasn't more of an... epic... feel to the ending. If a couple of the heroes had, you know, attacked Sylar at the same time instead of stepping up one at a time, things would have moved along faster. As it was it was kinda sluggish and almost anticlimactic. Sylar has moved much faster, used more powers simultaneously before. Why was he so lame at the end? Satisfying ending, wasn't happy with the pacing.
Loved the preview of next season...
Again it looks like initially Sylar was in total control, sending the bullets to Parkman, keeping Peter under control. But remember Niki is extremely strong (who knows, perhaps he paused to gauge if she had any powers) and Sylar has never met her or had a chance to size her up. I'm surprised Niki hitting him across the face with the parking meter did not kill him out right. I was under the impression that solid hit, combined with Peter's punches severely inhibited his ability to apply his powers.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I'm fairly certain that Candice is female in her "true" form she appeared to lack a bulge as far as I can tell in the 3 seconds of hey lying there.
Hmm, I had always suspected that Hiro would be Kensai, but his dad being it also works, Hiro can simply be waiting there near by using his powers.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Also I suspect Sylar liquified himself to be able to slip into the manhole and rconstitued himself once he was in.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
After teasing us with a hint of how awesome a battle between Sylar and Peter could have been in the future episode, I was really disappointed with the actual fight. I guess they were making a point that Sylar's nothing without his powers.
I'm glad Niki finally figured out how to be Niki and Jessica at the same time. But what good did it do to hit Sylar once and then stand there with her husband the rest of the fight? She wasn't applying pressure to the wound. She wasn't getting him to safety. She was just standing there for the family portrait shots. What a waste.
But I'm thrilled that Ando didn't die. I thought Hiro would be the great Kensei, but I could be equally happy with his dad. After all, if the story about Kensei and the Dragon is for real, I'd rather see Dad go than Hiro.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
That wasn't the same sword that Kensei had, Kensei's sword was snapped in two, and Takei brought Hiro a new family heirloom.
Interesting end to this episode. Sad to see Nathan go, if he is in fact dead, but clearly Sylar and Peter are still alive. Hard to gauge what will come next, but I think the new boogey man of Molly's will be interesting, and I think it's possible that Sylar could be his new minion, if Sylar were content to actually be a minion.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by KarlEd: I coulda sworn the reality bending chick transformed into a dude when she got knocked out.
At any rate, she didn't say she was fat. The kid said, "You keep eating like that and you're gonna get fat", to which she replied, "How do you know I'm not?" At least that's how I remember it.
She said, "I am fat." And when she changed into the black woman to take him into the polling station, that's when she said, "How do you know this isn't my real form?"
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Also I suspect Sylar liquified himself to be able to slip into the manhole and rconstitued himself once he was in.
Sylar ate Alex Mack's brain.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
Who is "Shenkar"? Every friggin' episode had a thing in the credits that credited someone or other as "the voice of Shenkar".
Posted by His Savageness (Member # 7428) on :
quote: She said, "I am fat." And when she changed into the black woman to take him into the polling station, that's when she said, "How do you know this isn't my real form?"
That's how I remember it as well. I too was disappointed that she wasn't fat. Or a little girl. I think it would have made her a very interesting character if she had ended up being Micah and Molly's age - it might help explain her seeming shallow naivety ("Mr. Linderman's gonna fix everything gosh golly!")
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Also I suspect Sylar liquified himself to be able to slip into the manhole and rconstitued himself once he was in.
Sylar ate Alex Mack's brain.
I used to love that show when I was a kid.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
quote:Who is "Shenkar"? Every friggin' episode had a thing in the credits that credited someone or other as "the voice of Shenkar".
I was wondering that myself, but google told me this: "Shenkar is responsible for the vocalizations added to the opening credit music and transitions on the series Heroes. Originally known as Shankar, Shenkar is widely considered a living legend in the world of music. He often blends pop, hip hop, hock, soundtrack and world elements into his music."
quote: She said, "I am fat." And when she changed into the black woman to take him into the polling station, that's when she said, "How do you know this isn't my real form?"
That's how I remember it as well. I too was disappointed that she wasn't fat. Or a little girl. I think it would have made her a very interesting character if she had ended up being Micah and Molly's age - it might help explain her seeming shallow naivety ("Mr. Linderman's gonna fix everything gosh golly!")
If her power really is bending light, it should be entirely a visual illusion, and not physical, which would mean when she punched Niki, if she were a child, physically she'd still be only a couple feet tall and very weak. Bending light wouldn't give her any added strength, there's no meat to her change, it's cosmetic.
One thing that I wondered...if Mama Petrelli, Charles Deveaux and Linderman were all allies...why didn't Linderman heal Charles?
PS, I watched the episode with a friend a few hours afterwards, and when Peter had his flashback/timetravel moment, I paused it, turned to my friend and said "Alright, he somehow unconciously traveled back in time and is invisible, but Charles' power is that he can see through it somehow, which is why WE can see him when we usually can't." And though we never got a firm answer on what happened, I think I hit pretty close to the mark. Posted by His Savageness (Member # 7428) on :
quote: If her power really is bending light, it should be entirely a visual illusion, and not physical, which would mean when she punched Niki, if she were a child, physically she'd still be only a couple feet tall and very weak. Bending light wouldn't give her any added strength, there's no meat to her change, it's cosmetic.
This is a good point.
quote: One thing that I wondered...if Mama Petrelli, Charles Deveaux and Linderman were all allies...why didn't Linderman heal Charles?
At the risk of being precious, maybe there are some things that even Linderman can't heal.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
I blame the director for the lackluster ending. We should not have seen the various heroes gather themselves to attack. There was no suddenness, no urgency. We should have been with Sylar's point of view. The Armchair Director strikes!
SYLAR turns from flinging bullets back at PARKMAN and smiles at Peter.
"I'm the hero."
WHAM! Out of nowhere, NIKI smacks him with the post. SYLAR flies across the place. PETER collapses, gagging. SYLAR lands and looks up to see her coming after him with it; he GESTURES and she takes off. SYLAR rises up and steps towards PETER's still-coughing form when HIRO appears in front of him. SYLAR grabs at him but HIRO's gone already. SYLAR HEARS a rustle and moves to the left in time to avoid HIRO's sword coming at him from behind. SYLAR dodges wildly as HIRO pops in and out dozens of times, all around him, badgering him until, dazed, he faces PETER, who decks him thirty feet. SYLAR gets uop, shakes his head, and charges forward... just in time to get STABBED by HIRO. Pause for reaction -- first time the audience has had time to react -- and then he flings HIRO away and turns, wounded, to get WHALED ON by PETER. PETER's hero moment, as he gives SYLAR everything he has and wins, SYLAR falls, but PETER is overloading now and starts to glow.
PETER's anguish, everyone tries to help, no good. PETER tries to fly but convulses; if he uses another power he loses control of this one. There's a click and we see CLAIRE, holding the gun and crying. PETER begs her to do it, she starts to... and NATHAN SWOOPS in to grab PETER. He pauses just long enough to tell CLAIRE he loves her, then takes off.
NATHAN and PETER are flying high and fast now, and here we have their tender brother scene, high over the city, as PETER fights to get away from NATHAN.
All the same bits they used, but faster and more urgent.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
*applauds*
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
what is it with everyone and getting TV trivia wrong, Candice never once stated she was fat but more coyly implied it when she said "How do you know I'm not?" She never once said I am fat she only implied it. Also sylar ate what was his name? Zach Taylor? That person could liquify matter, so Sylar could do it to, Sylar when he grabs abilities always has better control over them then the people who originally had them, so not only could he posssibly liquify himself its also possible to unliquify.
Posted by His Savageness (Member # 7428) on :
quote: Candice never once stated she was fat but more coyly implied it when she said "How do you know I'm not?" She never once said I am fat she only implied it.
I'll have to watch that episode again to be sure.
quote: Also sylar ate what was his name? Zach Taylor? That person could liquify matter, so Sylar could do it to, Sylar when he grabs abilities always has better control over them then the people who originally had them, so not only could he posssibly liquify himself its also possible to unliquify.
For some reason I interpreted this power as the ability to liquefy metal, not necessarily any random matter. Did anybody else get the same vibe?
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
We only saw him liquefy metal. Sylar could have melted the manhole cover and slipped through, or someone could have dragged him off.
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: what is it with everyone and getting TV trivia wrong, Candice never once stated she was fat but more coyly implied it when she said "How do you know I'm not?" She never once said I am fat she only implied it.
No, she said it straight out.
MICAH: I have a cousin who eats like you. He's huge.
CANDACE: (laughs) So am I.
From the episode "Landslide" Part 3, 5:28.
--Mel
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I got the impression Linderman and Charles weren't on speaking terms. Maybe Linderman refused to heal him.
Does anyone else remember Hiro's dad saying something like "I have waited a long time for a Nakamura to ascend". That struck me as kind of odd at the time, but if he is immortal or at least very long living or something it would make sense.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Chris: Your alternate way of fighting Sylar was certainly very interesting, I like it better. Perhaps they ran out of budget money by the finale? That would have been a very expensive and difficult scene to film.
Arm chair critic! Niki pulling out a parking meter would have certainly been heard by Sylar. Now that I think about it, his hearing ability really did not play out as much as I think it should have. He seems to just use telekinesis ALL the time, that and painting now that he has it.
Also if Peter is whaling on a stabbed and bleeding Sylar doesn't that seem kinda, I dunno pathetic? Its like saying you took out a terminally ill man.
Peter beating him up and Hiro finishing him off seems better, I dunno.
Posted by Jon Paul Mosher (Member # 9174) on :
Does anyone read the online novel? Does hana remind you of someone in the ender novels? Cough Jane Cough.......(:
Posted by Angiomorphism (Member # 8184) on :
Okay, about the Candace thing, I totally agree, she should have been fat, since she did reply "I am" to the comment about Micah's cousin being huge.
I don't necessarilly think Nathan is dead, because there is a pretty decent storyline involving people finding out the election was rigged and his newly healed wife to explore next season. I think it's entirely possible that the beginning of next season will show them both flying up, and Peter breaking free and Nathan escaping before he explodes.
I think Hiro's father is definetly immortal, and most likely Kensei. He has not shown any clear power, and has said that he has waited a long time for a Nakamura to ascend, which implies he's been around for a while, waiting for the right mutation in his lineage's genes. Also, he says that Hiro is the "wind behind history", implying he has some knowledge that Hiro is responsible for pushing history forward, maybe because he was there in the past when Hiro did just that.
I don't think Sylar is alive. I think the cockroach IS the new villain. Remember he was also present when Parkman was in the cell, and I bet if we look closely we will see him at other instances. It fits with Mohinder saying they are the evolutionary pinacle, and my guess would be that the cockroach uses Sylar's dead body as a host in the next season, which is why he was dragged away.
I'm torn over whether or not Parkman is dead.. He got like 4 bullets, but as "Mr. I got shot 9 times", 50cent, has shown us, he may still survive.
Also, I think the reason Nathan had to fly Peter up was that since he was overloading, his other powers weren't working, so if Claire had shot him, he would die for good. Letting him explode would be the only way to ensure he survives, and the only place he could do that safely was in the sky.. i.e. with Nathan.
I think Linderman didn't heal Simone's dad because he didn't want to be healed. He seemed pretty content with his impending death.
Some questions now.. Peter absorbed telekenesis from Sylar, does that mean he also has super-hearing, freezing, etc..? And he has 2 powers (possible 3 if Linderman wasn't lying about his dad being special, cuz the comics point to the opposite) that we don't know about, from Simone's dad and his mom.. any speculations?
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Some questions now.. Peter absorbed telekenesis from Sylar, does that mean he also has super-hearing, freezing, etc..? And he has 2 powers (possible 3 if Linderman wasn't lying about his dad being special, cuz the comics point to the opposite) that we don't know about, from Simone's dad and his mom.. any speculations?
Simone's father asked Mrs. Petrelli if either Nathan or Peter had manifest powers yet and she responded in the negative. Peter's powers of absorbtion could easily have just turned on one day, he does not have to have that ability the moment he was fully formed in the womb.
Posted by Damien.m (Member # 8462) on :
I dont think Nathan is dead. Its possible that once he was high enough to ensure that New York would be safe he let Peter go and flew away.
Posted by Angiomorphism (Member # 8184) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Some questions now.. Peter absorbed telekenesis from Sylar, does that mean he also has super-hearing, freezing, etc..? And he has 2 powers (possible 3 if Linderman wasn't lying about his dad being special, cuz the comics point to the opposite) that we don't know about, from Simone's dad and his mom.. any speculations?
Simone's father asked Mrs. Petrelli if either Nathan or Peter had manifest powers yet and she responded in the negative. Peter's powers of absorbtion could easily have just turned on one day, he does not have to have that ability the moment he was fully formed in the womb.
fair enough, but then he still has Mrs. Petrelli's and Simone's father's powers. And Sylar's other powers.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
I can't think far back enough. Did her father die before or after Peter started absorbing powers?
I agree he should have ALL of Sylar's powers that he had collected up until he fought him.
Perhaps that is what finally set Peter off, absorbing all those powers from Sylar.
Sylar: "YOU'RE THE VILLAIN PETER! I'M THE HERO!!"
Peter: "AHH MY EARS!! WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING SO LOUDLY!?!"
Sylar: "ACUTE HEARING ABILITY! I GOT IT ABOUT A WEEK AGO!!! DON'T WORRY YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT IN A FEW DAYS!!!!
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Given the radiation that Peter was giving off at that point, while I'd love to believe that Nathan could have survived, there's no way he wouldn't have had serious radiation sickness and died soon after anyways. Just sounds too implausible. Of all the characters that have died so far, Nathan's death has saddened me the most. It's always rough to watch a newly redeemed character sacrifice himself.
I think it was Zane Taylor, not Zach.
I liked the way it worked with Sylar and Peter's fight, and Hiro's help. I also like how it worked with Peter and Nathan. Not that I don't like a good brother/brother bonding before a self-sacrifice, but what really needed to be said? Nathan I think said it all just by showing up. Anything after that might have ruined it. I wouldn't have mind some more flashy lights and cool effects during the fight, something akin to what we say in the future episode.
I'd say Parkman is alive, I bet we find out later he was wearing a vest and only one bullet snuck through.
Posted by Angiomorphism (Member # 8184) on :
I kind of like the fact that the ending was a little anti-climactic. There was no intense music, no flashy effects. It was really just a straightforward (and rather short really) sequence, that, IMO, reflected well what would have happened in reality. That is afterall what the show is trying to portray...
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Didn't have to be jazzed up for me. If had played exactly as it did but removed the bits where the heroes strolled up to Sylar before striking, I'd have been OK. But as it was portrayed, why the heck didn't Sylar win?
How come he can't stop Hiro's 15-foot charge but he could stop Parkman's bullets? Why couldn't he hear Niki coming up behind him?
The audience should have been put in Sylar's position, so that when a hero stepped up we were just as startled as he was. If I have time to see Hiro coming, so does Sylar, and Hiro should be dead. It needed better pacing.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
He could easily have been betting that Hiro would again punk out and not actually go through with it. Had Hiro wanted to, he could have easily killed Sylar when he was given the chance at Sylar's mother's house.
Maybe he has to actively turn on certain powers, rather than them being passive abilities, and at that time, he chose not to have superhearing activated.
Posted by BaoQingTian (Member # 8775) on :
I think that superhearing would be a very situational power. It didn't seem to just amplify soft sounds so that they were audible, but all sounds across the board. Being in a fight for his life with guns firing and other Heroes crashing into things, I could see how Sylar might not 'activate' his super hearing, just to avoid the resulting cacophony in his head, making him lose his concentration.
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Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
I was really sad to see Nathan go, but at the same time I do hope he's actually dead and they don't think of some sort of loop hole to let him live.
The episode was great, but I also had some problems with the way they chose to handle some of the ending sequence. That's the problem with setting up so many people with special powers, when they don't use them to their full extent we feel cheated(matrix sequels anyone?).
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
As far as I can tell, no one officially died in that episode. Not even Syler. We did not see Nathan die, only fly with his brother up into the sky. We also know Peter can stay up there on his own and Nathan can move VERY quickly in the sky so there's no definite reason to think Nathan -- or anyone else -- is dead.
I was a little disappointed in the episode. Not hugely disappointed, but a little bit. They replayed so much footage at the beginning, for one thing. If I wanted to rewatch last week's episode I could have seen it on-line!
I guess as a climax, it fell a little flat. The best episode was still "Five Years Gone" and this paled in comparison. I never for a minute thought New York was in danger, although I did not know how it would be saved. The best part was Nathan becoming a real man.
Posted by Launchywiggin (Member # 9116) on :
I'm with Chris on this one--Chris's fight scene is 10 times better than the one I saw. I really like Chris' idea of quicker pacing during the fight with more urgency...and I think more characters needed to be involved. Sylar should have been much more powerful and creative with his abilities--able to fight all of the heroes easily as they all try to attack him. As Peter is choking, he starts absorbing Sylar's powers, allowing him to drop out of the choke hold and fight back. Sylar becomes overwhelmed and Hiro lands the final blow.
I feel like a lot of people are rationalizing for what I see as gaping holes in this final scene. Sure, maybe Sylar might be able to turn off some powers, or maybe only do one at a time--but I didn't see any evidence of that in the show. What we do know is that 100% of the rest of the time, he's been practically unbeatable, and suddenly, for his final fight, he's a wimp. I mean, they beat him EASILY. I'm dissapointed.
Peter should have been able to fly away on his own--the writers gave no clue as to why he couldn't--I don't like having to explain it ourselves on the forum like "Oh, he was too overwhelmed by the radioactivity." It's bad writing if we have to cover these holes ourselves.
Not to mention that it still doesn't sit well with me that he just suddenly can't control the radioactivity. In the few hours that pass between the time he meets Ted and the time he gets carried off by Nathan, Peter didn't think "maybe I should learn to control this thing so I don't blow up tonight." He had the powers--it's like he was just accepting that he couldn't control it--and that he would conveniently blow up after killing Sylar and "someone HAS to shoot me or I'll blow up."
I just think they could have done this so much better. I'm not trying to be overly negative--but people seem to be defending the choices the writers made and covering these holes when I think they're obviously mistakes.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
Launchywiggin: I don't think you're being overly negative. I think you're calling it like you see it. I agreed with every word. It was all part of the complete disappointment I felt as I watched that episode. I'm not sure if Heroes will keep me watching next year or not. The writing has been sloppy, inconsistent, and lacking in any dramatic tension. Dragging things out creates boredom not tension, as does withholding information.
The show had promise. That's why I watched for so long. But it never fulfilled that promise. Now I have to decide if I like Hiro enough to stick with it for another season. :=)
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Does the eclipse have any significance? I mean, heck, it's the logo for the show, it showed up in the first episode, and now in the last of the season. I can't help but think that it has greater function that cinematic bookends (or should one say 'filmends'?) to the season.
Posted by BaoQingTian (Member # 8775) on :
quote:Originally posted by Launchywiggin: I'm with Chris on this one--Chris's fight scene is 10 times better than the one I saw. I really like Chris' idea of quicker pacing during the fight with more urgency...and I think more characters needed to be involved. Sylar should have been much more powerful and creative with his abilities--able to fight all of the heroes easily as they all try to attack him. As Peter is choking, he starts absorbing Sylar's powers, allowing him to drop out of the choke hold and fight back. Sylar becomes overwhelmed and Hiro lands the final blow.
Agreed...Chris's fight scene sounded quite a bit cooler.
quote:I feel like a lot of people are rationalizing for what I see as gaping holes in this final scene. Sure, maybe Sylar might be able to turn off some powers, or maybe only do one at a time--but I didn't see any evidence of that in the show. What we do know is that 100% of the rest of the time, he's been practically unbeatable, and suddenly, for his final fight, he's a wimp. I mean, they beat him EASILY. I'm dissapointed. Peter should have been able to fly away on his own--the writers gave no clue as to why he couldn't--I don't like having to explain it ourselves on the forum like "Oh, he was too overwhelmed by the radioactivity." It's bad writing if we have to cover these holes ourselves.
It made sense to me why he couldn't just teleport away or fly away. The writers spent quite some time earlier in the season establishing that Peter (the entire episode with the Invisible Man) struggled with control of his powers. IIRC, he needed to concentrate on the person whose power he had absorbed in order to make it work. The simple reflex method of throwing him off a building didn't work. Also, during the fight with Sylar when Sylar tried to take his brain, he couldn't go invisible and use telekinesis (or flying, etc) at the same time. That's what got him nailed with the glass.
quote: Not to mention that it still doesn't sit well with me that he just suddenly can't control the radioactivity. In the few hours that pass between the time he meets Ted and the time he gets carried off by Nathan, Peter didn't think "maybe I should learn to control this thing so I don't blow up tonight." He had the powers--it's like he was just accepting that he couldn't control it--and that he would conveniently blow up after killing Sylar and "someone HAS to shoot me or I'll blow up."
Again, I felt that the writers laid the groundwork for us to buy into this with the whole early Ted storyline. He struggled on and off for control of his power for quite some time. It would apparently just come and go, much as it does with Peter. To me, suddenly having him have fine control over his power after a few hours, when it took Ted weeks or months would have been inconsistent.
He accepted his death and was willing to sacrifice himself after beating Sylar. He was resigned to the fact that he would die, but also wanted to be a Hero since Episode 1. He bought into the idea that if he wasn't there, then Sylar couldn't be stopped, and was willing to accept the consequences that even upon winning he would probably die. Works well with the idealistic saving the world attitude that he's consistently had.
quote: I just think they could have done this so much better. I'm not trying to be overly negative--but people seem to be defending the choices the writers made and covering these holes when I think they're obviously mistakes.
It's a catch-22 for the writers. If they leave us with parts that we need to fill in the blanks for ourselves, then they left gaping plot holes. If they wrap everything up nice and neatly, then they're not respecting the intelligence of the audience by explaining everything to us like we're a bunch of kindergarteners.
The episode was a good story finale that left me wanting more.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote: Earlier in the episode, Peter collapsed on the pavement and somehow ended up in his past, which played like a cross between a Coca-Cola commercial and a Hallmark ad.
“Your heart has the ability to love unconditionally,” a dying Charles (Richard Roundtree) told him.
Someone needs to remind creator/writer Tim Kring that viewers don’t have the innate power to process so much sugar.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
I think my favorite part of the episode was this line:
"Call me Noah."
SWEET!
Posted by brojack17 (Member # 9189) on :
Why? I know that was what they were going for, but I guess I just did not get it.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Yeah, that was a sweet line. Noah as a name fit him.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
Well, for one, a friend of mine had a baby last year that they named Noah. So there's the personal connection.
Second, they played games with us all season long as to the identity of HRG, aka Mr. Bennett. Remember the scene were Mrs. Bennett almost gave it away while talking with Sylar?
So yea...
Posted by Angiomorphism (Member # 8184) on :
About the whole "Sylar was too easy to kill thing".. I was thinking.. maybe there was a part of him that wanted to be killed. He wanted to be the hero (like he told Peter as he was dying). He didn't want to blow up so many people, and there was definetly some conflicting desires in his head (please mom, take powers, spare innocents, be the hero, etc.). I don't think it's so odd that he let himself die so easilly. Also, Niki hit him pretty hard, and he couldn't have expected that.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
OK, folks, Armchair Director Does "Heroes Finale," take two.
The rest of the show, I would change only two things.
DL is lying, dying, in Linderman's office while NIKI urges him up, as before. Make this bigger, he has to get up and get them out, the guards will be there any second, so he finally drags himself up and PUSHES her through the WALL. NIKI turns, exhuberant, to see that it was his last act to get her safe. Only half of him made it through before he died.
And in the Sylar/Hiro standoff earlier on, I would do this:
================== SYLAR So we'll just have to see if you can go through time faster than--
HIRO disappears. SYLAR whips back around to see ANDO gone. ==================
The way it was done, Sylar had all the time he needed and more to kill Ando. The director is showing us too much, it gets harder to accept that the other people in the shot don't have the same time to react.
And then the final scene, with as few changes to the original as possible:
================== SYLAR turns away from where he's just returned PARKMAN's bullets.
PETER and SYLAR face off.
SYLAR You can't stop it, you know.
PETER But I'm going to.
PETER makes the first move, GESTURING. SYLAR backs up a step, hurt, but SMILES and GESTURES back. PETER staggers; SYLAR is better at this.
PETER goes INVISIBLE.
SYLAR reacts, looks around, then gets an INVISIBLE PUNCH in the face.
NIKI is holding the kids next to PARKMAN. BENNET is trying to get a clear shot at SYLAR. MOHINDER is trying to help PARKMAN while marveling at the display of powers.
NIKI What the hell is going on?
BENNET The end of the world.
SYLAR gets hit again, then we IRIS in on his ear as he LISTENS. Quick as snakebite he THRUSTS his hand out to the side and we see PETER appear, hurtling through the air and then STOPPING, hanging in midair and choking. PETER gasps and clutches at his neck.
SYLAR Let's try this again...
SYLAR lifts his finger and starts to do his cutty thing, but a PARKING METER catches him upside the head. NIKI SWINGS it around and brings it down on him but SYLAR throws an arm up and the parking meter STOPS a foot away. NIKI pulls it back and SWINGS it down again; it stops but BENDS a little from the impact. SYLAR is sweating, now, he's not used to holding out against that kind of strength, but he manages to hurl the meter away, NIKI going with it.
SYLAR gets up. We see PETER, still coughing, kneeling a few feet away. SYLAR steps forward... and HIRO appears in front of him.
SYLAR grabs at him but HIRO's gone already. SYLAR HEARS a rustle and moves to the left in time to avoid HIRO's sword coming at him from behind. SYLAR dodges wildly as HIRO pops in and out dozens of times, all around him, badgering him until, dazed, SYLAR faces PETER, who decks him.
PETER (yelling) Everybody get out of here! He could still go!
SYLAR looks up from the ground. He chuckles.
SYLAR You don't understand, do you? I've seen it. The explosion. It's you.
SYLAR stands up and GRABS PETER's arms.They struggle. PETER reacts to the proximity of so many powers in one person; we see him losing it and we see him realize he's losing it. Maybe different aspects of the abilities happen around him. He's starting to GLOW.
SYLAR I'm the hero!
SYLAR lets go of PETER, who falls to the ground, revealing HIRO behind him. Before anyone can react, HIRO stabs SYLAR.
SYLAR curls up, flinging out an arm. HIRO is thrown away and VANISHES. SYLAR collapses; his EYES turn WHITE and we see images flashing across them, ending in himself lying there.
NIKI, MOLLY, MICAH, and BENNET approach. PETER is glowing more brightly now and obviously in pain. He SCREAMS and tries to LAUNCH himself up but only gets a few feet before dropping again.
PETER I can't hold it! I can't...
The same destructive, radioactive glow we saw Ted release in Bennet's house begins to emanate from PETER and everyone scrambles back from him. BENNET raises the gun but can't see PETER clearly.
BENNET Dammit, I can't--
CLAIRE (coming from behind him) I can.
She grabs the gun from a surprised BENNET's hand and RUNS towards the maelstrom. PETER sees her.
PETER (screaming) DO IT!
CLAIRE raises the gun, crying. Her skin starts to REDDEN and PEEL. Her finger tightens on the trigger.
A CAR comes hurtling around the corner and blocks her. NATHAN jumps out, pushing an incredibly pissed off ANGELA and rushing both her and CLAIRE to relative safety with the others.
ANGELA You can't do this! This has to happen! You're throwing it all away!
NATHAN Have to, mom. Like you said, the city needs me. (winks at CLAIRE) I love you.
NATHAN turns towards PETER, who reacts.
PETER No, Nathan, you can't--
NATHAN FLIES over, grabs PETER, and rises incredibly quickly into the sky.
ANGELA (screaming) NATHAN!!!
Now we're with the brothers in midair, at incredible speed. NATHAN's skin is BLISTERING fast.
PETER No! You'll die!
NATHAN But they won't. You won't. (gasps in pain) Love you, bro. Tell Heidi and the kids I--
Explosion.
======================
Fill in whatever dialogue I forgot that seems appropriate. Close with some of the heroes getting away before the cops arrive -- how the heck are they going to explain this? Why wasn't everyone hauled off for questioning? And I've heard rumors that Nathan appears next season so the closing bit would have to accomodate whatever hanging plot points might exist that I don't know about.
But, same general plot, paced better and with fewer "why doesn't he just...?" questions. We get to see various heroes work together. We get to see Angela's reaction to Nathan's sacrifice, which frankly I felt cheated out of. And we don't have people wasting time on emotional goodbye scenes when there's a freaking bomb about to happen.
Obviously your opinion (and Mr. Kring's) will vary.
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
Chris, when are you gonna get a TV writing gig? Preferably on Joss's next project. (Make Joss have a next project!)
Then I'll go all fangirl whenever you post.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Woo hoo!
I'll be taking a swing at ScriptFrenzy.org next month, (see next week's column!). Everyone can mock my progress then.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
A much better approach to a scene you already improved on Chris!
One question, why do you think Angela would go with Nathan to see a Peter she firmly believes IS going to explode?
Posted by Angiomorphism (Member # 8184) on :
In terms of the reactions, I wouldn't be surprised if the first episode of the second seasons shows us the events leading up to the final battle, like Nathan and his mom, and also Peter and Nathan in the air.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
I don't think she'd go willingly, but I can see him dragging her there. Mainly after hating her all through the episode I wanted to see her reaction to her plans being thwarted, and that was the easiest way. Given more time, I'd have a smoother method. This is a fast and dirty patch to what I thought kept me from really enjoying the story.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
I kind of got the impression Sylar was sort of fatalistic about the whole situation. The vibe I've been getting from him is "I'm just playing my part". I think he was trying half-heartedly to be in control of his own destiny, but really he'd given up on it and was accepting of what was happening.
And about Peter absorbing Sylar's power - He's had Matt's power for quite a while now and it just now manifested. Same with Hiro's, except it hasn't manifested (or he hasn't used it) yet. It's like if he knows he has the power, it becomes much easier for him to access. Ones he doesn't know about (hearing, ice, metal liquidation, whatever Sylar got from Charlie, Hiro's power, now Molly's power, Jessica/Niki's power, etc etc etc) seem to take quite a while to force their way into use.
And about Sylar not using all his powers - I thought that was kind of the point of the scene with his mom. Using powers takes concentration and even in a peaceful environment like that, Sylar lost control while using two powers (ice and telekinesis). So it's not all that surprising to me that he wasn't able to focus on 3 people at once, especially with the fact that his clock ticker thing that shows him how things work must've been working overtime with so many heroes around.
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
While I liked the episode overall, I think that Chris's scene was much better than the real one.
Posted by Launchywiggin (Member # 9116) on :
Again, amazing scene, Chris. Seriously. I got goosebumps just reading your scene and imagining how it played out.
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
Hehe, same here. That was pretty awesome, Chris.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
It's also more than possible someone else could do it much better. It's just... there was no urgency in the scene, and it desperately needed some. We were told that it was urgent, we were given dialogue to suggest that it was urgent, but the director seemed more intent on showing how everybody felt at the time and that doesn't work for me when city-wide destruction is supposedly imminent.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Launchywiggin: I'm with Chris on this one--Chris's fight scene is 10 times better than the one I saw. I really like Chris' idea of quicker pacing during the fight with more urgency...
Maybe they'll do a George Lucas and do it Chris's way on the DVD.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
quote: It's just... there was no urgency in the scene, and it desperately needed some. We were told that it was urgent, we were given dialogue to suggest that it was urgent, but the director seemed more intent on showing how everybody felt at the time and that doesn't work for me when city-wide destruction is supposedly imminent.
Exactly. That's exactly how I felt about it. That whole last scene was 'Meh' and it should have been "Holy Frak!!" The final scene in 5 years Gone was like that. My sister and I were hitting the ceiling when Sylar and Peter started going at it. I expected the finale to be just as urgent, just as thrilling. Alas.
Chris, I wish I could round up the money it would take for you to film that ending. I'd tack it onto the DVD extras. Posted by Ecthalion (Member # 8825) on :
i always got the impression that peter really couldnt do more than one of his powers at the same time. Until the future episode, where hes had 5 years to develope it.
Also, after nikki hit him, i think the idea was that peter absorbed nikki's strangth (and probably the anger that usually preceeds it) and Sylar was allowing peter to "ignite" from the anger so that he wouldn't be the vilian. Hiro did take to long, and why stab him when you can cut his head off? he actually had the time and even the swing to stab-turn around-head off while turning... but then you couldnt have had the ending it had with the samurai. Which looked like George Takea in the outfit so it could be interesting.
but seriously.... dont mention "far worse than the boogey man" unless you kill the boogeyman....
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I'm really not that surprised how easily Sylar was beaten, it's the first time ever that he has faced a concerted effort from multiple Hero foes.
And I really don't see Hiro being able to pop in and out all over the place that rapidly, his control over his power is nowhere near that finetuned yet.
But there are elements of your version that I like better Chris. DL dying isn't one of them, but I like parts of it.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Yea, I think Peter will still be alive, He is too good a character to kill off. One day he'll make superman look like a whimp.
That right there is the best reason for them to kill him off right now.
quote:why stab him when you can cut his head off?
Cutting off someone's head is much more difficult than stabbing them.
[ May 23, 2007, 03:41 AM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
Posted by HexenWulf (Member # 9492) on :
Here's a question. What is Nikki's power? If it's only super-strength then why does she have her dead sister's voice in her head? Maybe she takes the abilities of a dead person but with the side effect of also taking the person's personality. If this is so, then her hitting Sylar over the head with the parking meter was a way for the director to get her close enough to Peter for him to take her power. It sounds flimsy but it kind of makes sense that Peter would be able to make Nathan into a voice in his head like Jessica. Tell me if this makes any sense.
(I'm new by the way, even though I've read the forum for a while.)
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
It's only super strength. She has her dead sister's voice in her head because she's schizophrenic, as a result of the serious abuse from her father which scarred her and killed her sister. Jessica was her sister's name, and it's also the name of her other personality (the only one that could access the super strength through most of the show), but they aren't the same.
She doesn't hear her dead sister's voice in her head -- she hears her other personality in he head.
Posted by Angiomorphism (Member # 8184) on :
I know it's lame to correct people, but my cousin had schizophrenia, and it is not multiple personalities, it is paranoid delusions.. Niki has (or had) dissociative identity disorder.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
unless her sisters power was the ability to possess her, also if Jessica and niki were twins it could explain something.
Posted by Angiomorphism (Member # 8184) on :
I do have to admit that it would be funny if Peter started seeing Nathan in the mirror...
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
It seems too bad that the Haitian wasn't around to walk up to the Big Fight and shoot Sylar in the face. Or, really, walk up to Sylar at pretty much any point and plug him. Where was he for the last few episodes, anyway? I really liked the Haitian.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote: At any rate, she didn't say she was fat. The kid said, "You keep eating like that and you're gonna get fat", to which she replied, "How do you know I'm not?" At least that's how I remember it.
It's funny how memory changes things, especially dialog.
My recollection:
"I have a cousin who eats like you. He's huge."
"So am I."
I was very annoyed that the beautiful version was the one who resulted after she stopped projecting her power.
The girl even ranted about how society judges you by your appearance. The actress who plays Candice is gorgeous, so that doesn't make much sense if it's her real look.
I can explain it away, by saying that she wasn't really knocked out, and that she was still projecting, and just playing dead. I doubt that's the case, however.
Add me to those who thought the final scene was crappy. Overall, Heroes is still my favorite show right now.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
she never once stated she was fat, she implied it and rather coyly. I have a pretty good track record with being right with tv show trivia, for example several people thought that the ciy of Atlantis originated in the Pagasus Galaxy I explained that it originalted several million years ago on Earth and they didnt believe me, I even showed them the episode transcript from wiki pedia and hey still didnt believe me. Gah!
Posted by theCrowsWife (Member # 8302) on :
*sigh*
Blayne, Xavier has it right. Go watch that episode again if you don't believe.
--Mel
quote:Originally posted by theCrowsWife:
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: what is it with everyone and getting TV trivia wrong, Candice never once stated she was fat but more coyly implied it when she said "How do you know I'm not?" She never once said I am fat she only implied it.
No, she said it straight out.
MICAH: I have a cousin who eats like you. He's huge.
CANDACE: (laughs) So am I.
From the episode "Landslide" Part 3, 5:28.
--Mel
Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
Has anyone read the new novel that's up? It (unfortunately) provides evidence that D.L. survives...
Posted by ricree101 (Member # 7749) on :
quote:Originally posted by TheHumanTarget: Has anyone read the new novel that's up? It (unfortunately) provides evidence that D.L. survives...
I'm not sure that really matters, though. Haven't future episodes gone ahead and contradicted the novels in the past? I'm pretty sure I remember it happening, but I can't remember which ones off the top of my head.
Posted by BandoCommando (Member # 7746) on :
quote:Originally posted by ricree101:
quote:Originally posted by TheHumanTarget: Has anyone read the new novel that's up? It (unfortunately) provides evidence that D.L. survives...
I'm not sure that really matters, though. Haven't future episodes gone ahead and contradicted the novels in the past? I'm pretty sure I remember it happening, but I can't remember which ones off the top of my head.
If they have, it was in minor details. I can't think of any contradictions.
Posted by Christine (Member # 8594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: unless her sisters power was the ability to possess her, also if Jessica and niki were twins it could explain something.
I've been thinking this is the case for some time now. I'm also wondering, if this is true, if we have really seen the last of Jessica. She might have fled Niki now that she's become more sure of herself and taken charge of her own life, but maybe she fled to another body? I notice Jessica made one last appearance to show Candace for who she was -- maybe she fled into Candace? She seems like she's got low self-esteem, has to hide her fat rolls under her illusion (and yes, she did flat out say she was fat -- not just imply it).
Just a theory.
Posted by Ecthalion (Member # 8825) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:Yea, I think Peter will still be alive, He is too good a character to kill off. One day he'll make superman look like a whimp.[QUOTE]
That right there is the best reason for them to kill him off right now.
i think they will keep him alive for 1-2 more seasons, until he becomes too "godlike" to keep onthe show.
quote:[QUOTE]why stab him when you can cut his head off?
Cutting off someone's head is much more difficult than stabbing them.
Actually a thrust is much harder to complete, it needs to be extreemely accurate and fast as it is easily deflected and parried when compared to a slashing blow. Granted the neck is a much smaller area than the torso, Sylar still let him walk up to him after announcing his intentions to kill Sylar. My point was still about the fluidity of his mvoement. When he pulled the sword out he pulled it out with a spin. All you need to so to complete a head-chop (especially while your victem has fallen to the knee's) is to finish the turn around and cut across your body. Hiro just lets him live and then gets hit with the telekenisis blast.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Actually a thrust is much harder to complete, it needs to be extreemely accurate and fast as it is easily deflected and parried when compared to a slashing blow.
Which isn't an issue when Sylar cooperates by just standing there and letting Hiro kill him. Posted by gsim1337 (Member # 10168) on :
quote:i think they will keep him alive for 1-2 more seasons, until he becomes too "godlike" to keep onthe show
Isn't he godlike already? Now he has the abilities of: teleport, stop time, and time travel superhearing freezing melting metals telekenisis regeneration super strength flight mind reading painting the future invisibility memory and nuclear explosions/EMPs
He was also in the area of: tracking people talking to machines and passing through walls
Any I missed?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Have we seen him use super hearing, freezing, melting, or memory?
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
How did he get memory? The cute girl in the diner never died from Sylar, as far as I know, but from her aneurysm.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:Have we seen him use super hearing, freezing, melting, or memory?
That depends. We've seen Sylar get those powers (except memory, which I questioned above), and Peter doesn't seem to have to be around people using their powers to steal them, just around the people.
On the other hand, Sylar has never used two powers at once (from what I remember), and so perhaps Peter actually has to be around Sylar when using his powers. Perhaps Sylar "shifts" his brain somehow.
Come to think of it, I don't know that Peter has ever used two powers at the same time either. Perhaps someone can let me know if he has.
Posted by graywolfe (Member # 3852) on :
quote:Originally posted by SC Carver: Dido on the fat thing.
I'm also getting tired of Sylar and would like to see the new even worse bad guy. "when i think about him he can see me" reminds me of Saraun from LOTR. The eye that never sleeps kind of thing.
No doubt. Since the producer/creator of this is familiar with, and knows the creators of "Lost" you'd think they'd do a better job in creating and casting a villain. While "Lost" has sputtered a lot over the last two years, the casting of Ben was perfection. The actor who plays him has done a few one and done episodes ive caught over the years in other tv shows where he played different sorts of villains, and he always did a beautiful job, layering the character in complexity, nothing too simple, nothing dull, just capturing the idea of what evil could potentially be, even with some good inside.
For all the fun of this season, Sylar was exceptionally one dimensional, and while heading to the last hurdles, they at least provided a glimpse into why Sylar became Sylar (the haunting scene with his mother), they did very little in the way of layering the character with depth, and complexity throughout the season and the casting was at best uninspiring (one of the problems of Heroes reminded me of a comic's reading of the development of "Friends" Circa '94, "Let's make another Seinfeld. Except, let's have no yucky old people!"). One of the weaknesses of Heroes, as much as I like it, has been at times middling casting, and wooden acting, the show mixes dynamic and at least interesting acting and casting, with some really bad choices.
Hopefully next season is fabulous. I'm still not convinced Peter is dead, they didn't actually show us him dying so there is certainly a chance he could still be alive, probably would be best to check him out on imdb.com. If you see a, or some movies in pre-production, usually it's a good bet that if they died in a finale, or appeared to leave a show, they probably really are leaving, at least for a while. One of the shocks to me is that Ali Larter didn't die. While I don't like her character or her acting on the show, she's got a pretty solid movie career under her belt over the last decade or so, and I'm pretty shocked that she appears to be putting it on hold.
Posted by gsim1337 (Member # 10168) on :
Ok, I forgot about the Chalie thing, but in "The Hard Part" Sylar was freezing the water and using telekenisis at the same time. In they episode where Peter 'dies' Sylar may have been using super hearing as well as telekenisis. When Hiro and Ando were behind the painting he may have used both at the same time, or just one after another.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Peter doesn't seem to have to be around people using their powers to steal them, just around the people.
Right, but it doesn't necessarily follow that if he's around somebody with powers, he always absorbs those powers.
Posted by gsim1337 (Member # 10168) on :
Oh, and my theory for how Sylar used other peoples powers was that since his original ability was to fix things (I think), he just found what was wrong in other people's dna or their brain, and changed whatever he needed to change inside himself to match. How he did that at first without telekineses, I don't know.
Posted by graywolfe (Member # 3852) on :
quote:Originally posted by Christine: Launchywiggin: I don't think you're being overly negative. I think you're calling it like you see it. I agreed with every word. It was all part of the complete disappointment I felt as I watched that episode. I'm not sure if Heroes will keep me watching next year or not. The writing has been sloppy, inconsistent, and lacking in any dramatic tension. Dragging things out creates boredom not tension, as does withholding information.
The show had promise. That's why I watched for so long. But it never fulfilled that promise. Now I have to decide if I like Hiro enough to stick with it for another season. :=)
I'll definitely keep watching as I enjoy it a great deal, but I have to second, or third or fourth as the case may be, general dissapointment with the climax. I spent the entire time worrying about Parkman (you got to love a guy who keeps getting gig after gig connected to his friendship with JJ Abrams-Alias, Lost, and now Heroes, plust I enjoy his everyman vibe, he looks like a guy all of us would know, and more often than not, they're aren't many characters like that on tv shows one watches) and disinterested and shocked at how thoroughly bunk some of the shots and direction were (two different scenes with Claire and Peter alone on the streets of New York late at night, the city looking artificial as to be laughable).
Gotta agree anyway, was a let down, and I never felt any tension watching the final climatic scene. Just disappointing. I'll still watch it, as I enjoy it, but one can tell that the hands guiding it aren't nearly as sure as those that guided, say Lost in season 1 or 2, 24 in its prime, The Wire, Rome, Deadwood, etc. However it's still a very enjoyable show, and I'm sticking around.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by BandoCommando:
quote:Originally posted by ricree101:
quote:Originally posted by TheHumanTarget: Has anyone read the new novel that's up? It (unfortunately) provides evidence that D.L. survives...
I'm not sure that really matters, though. Haven't future episodes gone ahead and contradicted the novels in the past? I'm pretty sure I remember it happening, but I can't remember which ones off the top of my head.
If they have, it was in minor details. I can't think of any contradictions.
The novels show Papa Petrelli having no powers. But either Mama Petrelli or Linderman said that he had powers.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
a) what novels? and b) it was Mama Patrelli.
Posted by Angiomorphism (Member # 8184) on :
No, it was definetly Linderman. When he gave that whole speach about papa Patrelli being weak etc. to Nathan.
And yes, the novels did show dad as not having any powers, which is why I think that Linderman was just lying to Nathan to get him rilled up.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: a) what novels? and b) it was Mama Patrelli.
quote:Originally posted by gsim1337: Ok, I forgot about the Charlie thing, but in "The Hard Part" Sylar was freezing the water and using telekenisis at the same time. In they episode where Peter 'dies' Sylar may have been using super hearing as well as telekenisis. When Hiro and Ando were behind the painting he may have used both at the same time, or just one after another.
Kring has verified that Peter is unable to use more than one power at a time. What we don't know is if this is just the way his powers work or if he just doesn't know how, yet. I think that Sylar, because of the nature of his base power, to know how things work and how to make them work together, can make combinations of abilities.
Posted by papastebu (Member # 10496) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:Peter doesn't seem to have to be around people using their powers to steal them, just around the people.
Right, but it doesn't necessarily follow that if he's around somebody with powers, he always absorbs those powers.
In every case that he has absorbed someone's ability, it has been completely automatic, from his patient's dream travel in the beginning, to Isaac's painter-precog, to Sylar's TK, to Claire's regen. Nathan's flight was in him, he just didn't know how to use it. Sylar's and Peter's base powers are different versions of the same thing. Their use is also related strongly to each man's personality and world-outlook. Peter is this really compassionate, quietly heroic guy, who doesn't really get what to do sometimes, but wants to do right. Sylar is aggressively seeking the approval of both his quiet, respectable father, and his strangely-supportive, yet overbearing mother, now also dead. Sylar is selfish and "look at me" oriented, while Peter is a hospice nurse by profession.
Posted by Speed (Member # 5162) on :
Did anyone get the Season 1 DVDs? If so, you might find this interesting:
Not that I'm trying to hawk anything, but I just finished watching it, and there was some hilarious stuff on there. Well worth the $3.
If nothing else, at least check out the free sample. Share and enjoy. Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
Meh. I enjoyed MST3K, but this is only mildly amusing. Plus it's kinda weird listening to just the one guy cracking jokes to himself. This kind of humor is only entertaining when it's conversational.
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