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Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
 
I'm sure snopes.com has looked at this -- I am just failing miserably at finding it on their website, and frankly, I have no desire to read the entire legislation. Anyone know anything? I'd like to send the "info" back to the sender and set their minds at ease . . . I don't particularly care for the legislation, but this is just so over the top, and every once in a while I like to debunk the junk.

From e-mail received today:

quote:
The "Certificate of Completion or Attendance" that is being offered in lieu of high school diplomas, is a part of Bush's "No Child Left Behind". This is how it works:

It is for students who are unable to pass both the Language Arts and Math portions of the 10th grade ISTEP. Students must take the same 10th grade test over in the 11th and 12th grades until they pass both portions. If they are unable to pass the 10th grade test by the 12th grade then they have two options:

1. Drop out and go to a GED program or,

2. accept a "Certificate of Completion" - it is NOT a diploma. Once a student accepts it, they cannot ever get a diploma or a GED.

A certificate of completion means that a student CAN NEVER (as long as they live):

1. go to the armed services

2. go to college

3. go to trade school

4. go to journeyman's school

5. go to beauty school

6. go to culinary arts school

7. get a federal loan in their lifetime

This is the portion of NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND (2001) that Bush slipped in during the 2004 revision of the NCLB bill. It has not been publicized. At a high school in Indiana, in 2005, there were 87 seniors in the graduation class. Five got diplomas and 82 got "Certificates of Completion".

This is being referred to as the "Paper Plantation". It is better for students to drop out and get into a GED program so they may seek other forms of education, later in life, if they desire to do so. All 50 states have "Certificates of Completion or Attendance".



 
Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Shan:
A certificate of completion means that a student CAN NEVER (as long as they live):

1. go to the armed services

3. go to trade school

7. get a federal loan in their lifetime


the other stuff sounds specious, but I know for a fact that these do not require a GED or diploma.
 
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
 
No, I know that, too, but I want something with back-up documentation, as it were . . . I really dislike the scare tactics.

*shakes head*
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
The "no GED possible" thing is likely bunk as well. See http://www.doe.mass.edu/ged/req.html

quote:
Minimum Age For Testing: 18 with no qualifications; however, in order to register and be tested at 16 or 17, registrants must provide a letter from their last school of attendance attesting that they have officially withdrawn from school. "Adjudicated youth" may be tested on the order of the court, even if they are still enrolled in school.
If you're 18, there's no qualification.

I don't intend to do 50 other checks.

[ May 01, 2006, 11:11 PM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]
 
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
 
You broke the site you referenced, Dags -- they won't let me in . . . *sigh*

And what do you mean you won't do 50 other checks? Gracious! This is child's play for you! [Wink]
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
Try now - the : was interfering.
 
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
Ahhh....you DO need at least a GED to enter the Armed Services..at least you did when I went in.
 
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
 
quote:
Ahhh....you DO need at least a GED to enter the Armed Services..at least you did when I went in.
Or written intent of completion.
 
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
 
Thank you, Dags . . .

*smile*
 


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