I'm hoping this isn't outside the bounds of propriety here at Hatrack. If it is, I'll happily delete.
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Advent is taking bartending class at a local university, and I have some bartending experience with mixed drinks. I'm trying like the dickens to get smarter about wines, both red and white.
Anyone want to share info, tips, or fascinating finer points of the terroir?
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[ March 17, 2006, 01:13 PM: Message edited by: ClaudiaTherese ]
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
What are bitters, exactly? I know what they're used for, but I don't know what they are.
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
Never dip glasses into your ice bin. Always use a scoop.
While this may seem like an extra step in the process, I have on more than one occassion been tending bar with another bartender who broke a glass in the ice.
That ice bin was dead to us for the rest of the night, and we had to run and get a plastic tub to work out of until we could flush the entire ice bin with hot water and clean the glass out of the drain.
Not. Cool.
I'll probably think of more cautionary tales, but that's the first that sprung to mind.
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
Sweet german wines are an underappreciated delight.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Great question and great tip!
I'll look up "bitters," but I don't think it's actually bitter.
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
Bushmills Irish Cream is cheaper and better than Baileys.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
What is everyone's favorite mixed drink that's not mixed with soft drinks? I need to find something without caffeine, but all the ones I know of are girly (cosmopolitan, screwdriver) or gross (whiskey and water). Any suggestions?
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
quote:Originally posted by kmbboots: Sweet german wines are an underappreciated delight.
Yes!
-pH
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
Gin and tonic? Technically tonic could be a "soft drink" but no caffeine.
Fruit juice (cranberry) with vodka.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
Gin smells like pine needles and makes me angry.
Cranberry and vodak == sissy. But I like the idea of mixing with tonic water. I should get some and experiment.
Posted by Valentine014 (Member # 5981) on :
Long Island Iced Teas are made with Coke but only a splash for color. I'm sure a bartender would omit it if you asked. Shouldn't change the taste. If it's made right, you shouldn't taste the alcohol.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
JT, get a sour. An Ammaretto Sour is sweet and kinda girly, a whiskey sour less so, a Wild Turkey Sour and no one's going to make fun of you, and the sour might be enough to make up for the Wild Turkey.
A 7&7 is mixed with 7-up, so it's got a soft drink but no caffine. I'm fond of margaritas on the rocks, myself, but that's probably too girly for you. Hmmm. I'll think on it.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
quote:Originally posted by Noemon: What are bitters, exactly? I know what they're used for, but I don't know what they are.
From my post on the subject at the SR: Aromatic bitters are a highly-concentrated flavoring agent consisting of a spirits base flavored with aromatic plants: roots, barks, herbs, seeds and/or berries.
So it's booze with roots and stuff for flavoring. If memory serves, it's 40 proof.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Is grapefruit and vodka still sissy? I think that's called a Greyhound. But it's pink, so it's probably out. Posted by Epictetus (Member # 6235) on :
White wines are best served chilled with white meat or dishes with white sauces (alfredo, butter and garlic ect.) Red wines are best served at room temperature with red meat or dishes with red sauces. However, you can always feel comfortable ordering whatever wine you'd like.
When ordering a wine, a server should present the label for you to inspect. After he/she uncorks it, at really fancy restaurants, they'll allow you to inspect the cork as well, so you can make sure it's not too wet.
Not sure if it's relevant, but I thought I'd share what wine knowledge I have Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
quote:Originally posted by ElJay: A 7&7 is mixed with 7-up, so it's got a soft drink but no caffine. I'm fond of margaritas on the rocks, myself, but that's probably too girly for you. Hmmm. I'll think on it.
The first seven in the 7&7 stands for Seagram's Seven, a brand of blended whiskey.
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
So vodka and tonic.
ps: real men can drink sissy drinks.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
According to my online reading, the addition of "bitters" is what makes a mixed drink technically a cocktail. Huh.
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Edited to add: from dailyLush magazine's "Know your mixed drinks" article.
Posted by Epictetus (Member # 6235) on :
I personally love rum mixed with pinapple and orange juice. I forget what it's called, but it is really good.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
quote:Originally posted by kmbboots: ps: real men can drink sissy drinks.
True, but what seperates the men from the boys is whether or not they can also drink the "manly" stuff.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Right, I remember your saying that now, Primal Curve. Not sure why the information didn't lodge in my brain before.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
I don't mind drinking something pink; I'm secure in my manhood. But not secure enough for vodka and cranberry.
Amaretto Sour and Long Island Iced Tea are both excellent suggestions (and excellent drinks). I drink both of those occasionally. LIITs are just too potent to drink all night, though. Three good ones and I'm seeing triple.
I actually love blended strawberry margaritas, but I only drink them at Mexican restaurants.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Leonard Cohen's Red Needle: tequila, cranberry juice, and lemon.
Yeah, it's red, but it's no girly Cosmopolitan. And it's Leonard Cohen, so you can't get much more male than that.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
(I personally go for the scotch (whiskey) either neat or over ice, myself.)
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
quote:Originally posted by Epictetus: After he/she uncorks it, at really fancy restaurants, they'll allow you to inspect the cork as well, so you can make sure it's not too wet.
Actually, wine can go bad due to contamination in a way that's referred to as "corked." You look at and/or smell the cork to check for signs of that, but most people, myself included, don't know enough to recognize it. Here's some info on it.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
Yeah, I'm not manly enought to drink straight scotch. Unless it's a shot, and that's just wasteful.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
How about White Russians, JT?
I'm a whiskey drinker, too. Redbreast Irish Whiskey, in particular. Smoothest stuff in the world.
Posted by Epictetus (Member # 6235) on :
Thanks for the link ElJay. I'm just going off my little handbooks of miscellaneous knowledge, more info is always appreciated
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
I love Amaretto Sours. But yeah, might be a bit girly.
My mom drinks Manhattans. I've eaten the cherries from her drinks, and it's a nice taste. Not sure what's in it, though.
Russians (I prefer White, my younger sister prefers Black) are yummy, too.
Question: my older sister taught be to order the first as "Amaretto Stone Sour". I've ordered it without the "stone", and it comes out the same, as far as I can tell. Anybody know what the "stone" means, or is it just a local variation on the name?
Also. I am not currently drinking at all since I take Paxil CR 12.5 once a day. Is it safe for me to have maybe one drink while taking Paxil on a VERY occasional basis? I'm not a heavy drinker at all, and don't drink to get drunk, but every now and then I like to have a drink for the taste. I'm very much willing to go without, but it'd be nice to have a cocktail at a special occasion (like when I went to Detroit and had a white russian at the top of the Milennium Center. )
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
I don't mind White Russians, but I don't think I could drink them all night. More of a novelty drink in my mind.
You know what I had a few weeks ago that was really good? A Mojito. It was delicious, and a lot of fun to say.
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
What about martinis? James BOnd drinks those.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Mint julip, please. I'd like to know how to make one. Must have the drama of the Southern belle. Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
It's a good site for pretty much any other drink I've been able to think of, too. I've been browsing for ideas for about 30 minutes.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
Vodka & Cranberry == Cape Cod
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
I don't remember the url, but there's a site that lets you enter what kinds of alcohol you have handy and then spits out a list of drinks with recipes you can make with them, assuming normal mixers. It's great if you're going to have a party and want to offer a drink menu but don't want to go out and buy a lot of alcohol to make specific drinks that you'll probably never make again.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
I thought vodka and cranberry was a Sea Breeze.
I'm a bourbon drinker myself. Bourbon and coke - very simple, yet very good.
edit: xnera, I took Paxil for awhile and continued to drink and didn't have any problems. Of course, my liver might be about to explode or something.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
A good Long Island Iced Tea has about 28% alcohol, and you can barely taste any of it. Its a miracle drink, really.
A bad long island tastes nasty, though. Oddly enough, some of the weakest long islands I've had were also the worst tasting.
Why would anyone want to drink the nasty, foul, "manly" drinks when you can get way more alcohol faster and better tasting with a long island .
Posted by Christy (Member # 4397) on :
Rhubarb wine is divine! Just tried it recently, and YUM!
Big fan of margaritas, myself. Lime, extra tequila, please.
I thought vodka and cranberry was a pink lady, but I've always gotten weird looks when I ask for one.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
quote:Originally posted by zgator: I thought vodka and cranberry was a Sea Breeze.
Possibly in your region. I've noticed that about mixed drinks- the name changes from area to area, even bar to bar.
I think the more common name is Cape Cod, though.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
"Long Island Iced Teas are made with Coke but only a splash for color."
Untrue, according to my husband, a bartender of 25 years.(the Coke is essential for the taste, he says. And his are goood.)
A Greyhound is vodka and grapefruit juic-white grapefruit juice, officially(since pink has a sweeter taste.)
A Sea Breeze is Cranberry juice, vodka, and grapefruit juice.
A Cape Codder is vodka and cranberry juice. (I love it with limes.)
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
This just in: A Pink Lady is gin, milk(or cream) and grenadine.
YUCK!
Posted by Stan the man (Member # 6249) on :
If I'm gonna do any heavy drinking, I always start off with a White Russian (with real cream, and it has to have a cherry). After that it is all fair game except for most drinks that contain rum, scotch, or whiskey.
If I just want to be completely social, I drink beer. Corona mainly. It costs a bit more than other beers so I tend to drink less and enjoy my time more.
<----Starts remembering the old days when I used to drink a plenty. Wait, those were actually the bad days. I love Tequila, but am not allowed to drink it anymore. Something about the fact that I drank enough of it in half an hour that I gave myself alchohol poisoning. That isn't fun.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
quote:Originally posted by Xavier: Why would anyone want to drink the nasty, foul, "manly" drinks when you can get way more alcohol faster and better tasting with a long island .
Who says that manly drinks are nasty and foul? A good scotch is smooth and packs one hell of a punch.
28% Alcohol? Pfft. Any booze consumed straight will have significantly more alcohol than that. Most good whiskeys will be sporting at least 40-50% alcohol by volume (80-100 proof).
Beer may have significantly less alcohol, but that's not really the point. Beer is a drink that goes well with manly activities: Cook Outs, Fishing, Gunplay. You know, that kind of thing.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Another tip:
My husband never leaves a lemon or lime in the drink. He squeezes the juice in. He says the rind has an incredible amount of bacteria.
Also, beware of any ice at fast food places or restaurants. There was a big study done-more bacteria found than toilet water!
Posted by Kristen (Member # 9200) on :
Bitters are used to flavor sweet martinis and cocktails such as Manhattans and Old Fashioned.
A Tip: Bitters and soda is an excellent remedy for an upset stomach. It's jokingly referred to as the Bartender's Alka Seltzer.
I usually don't drink hard alcohol as I have no tolerance, but I will occasionally order drinks with vodka. I prefer wine (but once again, no more than 2 glasses, I'm so sad), and beer. Beer is underappreciated: there are so many different flavors of it!
Tip #2: For people who dislike the taste of alcohol and want a mixed drink, make a martini/cocktail with vodka (Vanilla) and a chocolate liquer of some kind. They are DELICIOUS and somewhat dangerous b/c they taste sooo good.
Tip #3: I find a lot of people who don't like the taste of beer like lighter, citrusy, and crisp beers such as Blue Moon. Served with orange, it's downright tasty.
How can y'all drink Long Islands? I did, once, in Las Vegas, and I only have a vague memory of dancing at the Bellagio...man, I need to carboload before I drink or something.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
"A Tip: Bitters and soda is an excellent remedy for an upset stomach. It's jokingly referred to as the Bartender's Alka Seltzer."
Also, bittes dripped on a lime wedge, and bitten into, can cure hiccups.
As does lemon with Worcestereshire Sauce. (Lea and Perrins, of course.)
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
A tip for beer:
Slice a fresh jalapeno or other fresh chile, and drop a slice into a beer. Be careful of your lips!
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
If you don't like the Coke, you can go for a Long Beach Iced Tea - slightly different flavor.
Long Island is Vodka, Gin, Rum, Tequila, Triple Sec, Sour Mix and Coke
Long Beach is Vodka, Gin, Rum, Triple Sec, Cranberry, Sour Mix, and Sprite
Does anyone know if Ginger Ale has caffeine? I'm kind of partial to Bacardi and Ginger Ale as a generic drink when they don't have Bombay Sapphire for my gin and tonics.
A Madras is pretty good, too. Vodka mixed with OJ and Cran, and doesn't look pink.
I think they're disgusting, but there's the Bama Slammer. Southern Comfort, Sloe Gin, Amaretto, and OJ. Blegh... but I just can't stand the taste of Sloe Gin.
Tequila Sunrise isn't bad, either, if you like grenadine. It's just tequila, OJ and grenadine, with a cherry.
If you don't mind blue drinks, I kind of like Electric Lemonades. Rum (or vodka), Blue Curacao, Sour Mix, and Sprite.
Posted by Kristen (Member # 9200) on :
Another bartending tip:
When pouring a Guiness, try to do a 2 minute-pour. You fill it about 3/4 of the way, let it sit for 2 minutes and top it off.
For those who care, it will earn you major points.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I have a Guinnes spoon, Kristen.
I don't really know how to use it, though.
Posted by Kristen (Member # 9200) on :
You use it while making Black and Tan (Bass& Guinness) in making sure the layers between the two are even.
I think they are also used in Guinness pours as well...
Posted by Epictetus (Member # 6235) on :
My all time favorite drink is called the Flaming Blue Smurf. One part Sambuca, one part Blue Curacao, and 1/2 part of Monarch 151 proof rum poured slowly over a cherry so it sits on top. Light on fire, estinquish and enjoy.
At the bar where I get these, they only allow you to have two over the course of the night, so if you're going to make it at home be sure to not overindulge.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
I don't know if this is actually the name, but my favorite bartender called 'em Blue Long Islands...
It's a Long Island, but instead of Coke, it has Blue Curacao.
He surprised me with it, leading to the first time I ever got drunk.
They are very tasty.
-pH
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
What makes a drink girly?
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
It's more of a feeling than anything else. Like pornography; I know it when I see it.
Anything with an umbrella (unless you're drinking on a beach, of course), anything pink or opaque, anything with the same name as a sex act, and anything out of a martini glass*.
*I'm sure someone will claim that Martinis are sophisticated and manly, but I disagree.
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
How about one of those little swords?
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
That's a toughie, because I like to take the swords and poke people with them. And everyone knows stabbing is very manly. But I steal them from other people's drinks.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
Gah, I had a sudden flashback to the night I met a gaggle of men dressed as pirates while at a pub in the French Quarter. They had me drinking chartruse and fake absynthe. And since I was wearing heels, they took turns carrying me piggyback down the street. And they had a mock fight (they were stage actors) in an alley for my amusement.
There should be more nights like that in the world.
-pH
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
quote:Originally posted by El JT de Spang: And everyone knows stabbing is very manly.
-pH
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
"*I'm sure someone will claim that Martinis are sophisticated and manly, but I disagree."
A Martini is still a Martini even if poured in a manly glass.
Posted by Xavier (Member # 405) on :
quote:28% Alcohol? Pfft. Any booze consumed straight will have significantly more alcohol than that. Most good whiskeys will be sporting at least 40-50% alcohol by volume (80-100 proof).
Besides long islands, my other drink of choice is 100 proof peppermint shnapps. I think I've built up a tolerance to it though, because it takes a TON of it to get me drunk off of it.
Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :
Don't know about drinks without soda, But Jack and Dr. Pepper is great. My friends and I call them Dr. Death's (Dr. Jack. Kevorkian.)
Posted by Risuena (Member # 2924) on :
JT - if you like Mojitos, you'd probably also like Caiparinhas - it's lime juice, sugar and cachaça (Brazilian sugar cane liquor). They are also variants of it with vodka (caipiroska) and rum (caiprissima). It's easily my favorite drink.
I love any sour drink, but unfortunately, I think I'm allergic to some of the mixes that get used. There have been a couple times after a night of drinking sours (or occasionally margaritas) that my throat winds up all scratchy and phlegmy for a week afterwards. It's not fun and decreases my enjoyment of sour drinks.
And for all of you who like vodka and tonic, have you tried tequila and tonic? Several places I've been to in Mexico, when you order tequila it comes with both fresca and tonic for you to chose from as a mixer, if you don't want to drink the tequila straight.
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
Okay, what exactly is riesling and how do I serve it? I received a bottle of cranberry riesling for Christmas and I don't know what's the "right" way and food...
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
Well I'm back. If anybody has any questions I have my reliable textbook from my class that is very informative on all (or at least most) matters pertaining to bartending. That includes recipes, terminology, and etc.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
For a quick mojito, Paul Newman's limeade and a sprig of mint is lovely with rum or vodka.
Risuena, does that happen only at bars/restaurants? Does it happen with fresh squeezed juice, too? SOme bar's sour mixes are just horrid.
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
"Riesling is generally a refreshing tasting wine that is best known for its floral and fruity aromas"
It says in my textbook that Riesling is often erved as a dessert wine. I hope that helps.
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
A Riesling is just a type of white wine, Goody. It's sort of sweeter, though not quite a desert wine. Late Harvest Riesling is even sweeter.
Not sure what I'd serve it with, but I think it's similar to Gewurtztremeiner (not sure if that's how you spell that) - which was great with Thanksgiving turkey dinner.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
So Advent, do they actually have you mixing drinks in the class? If so, what's done with them after they've been prepared?
Posted by Risuena (Member # 2924) on :
Elizabeth - most of the time it's happened has been at a bar or restaurant. The first time I ever noticed was at a house party. And as far as I know, it's never happened with fresh sqeezed juice.
I haven't actually had a whisky or amaretto sour in a couple years, but now that this thread has reminded me how much I miss them, I'm gonna have to go and make my own sour mix.
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
Yes we do mix drinks in class. But the instructor is the one who tests them.
And truthfully I don't know whats done with them afterwords. Not that I care. *shrugs* After all its early on enough in the class right now that no one is making "perfect" mixtures. And for that matter I'm don't even know if they are alcohol.
[ March 07, 2006, 11:41 PM: Message edited by: Advent 115 ]
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
When I was in bartending school, we had all the bottles with appropriately colored and/or thickened liquid substitutes. Not alcohol.
So, we had a full bar set-up, we would learn to pour and mix things, and the appropriate glassware and garnishes, etc... but we wouldn't actually be dealing with alcohol.
It all just went down the sink when we were done.
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
Advent, does it say anything about how long a bottle of riesling can be stored before it goes bad? And should it be served at room temp, chilled, cold?
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
Of course, we never knew how they tasted, since it would quite literally be like drinking paint... but we sure did memorize a lot of recipes and got damn fast at mixing.
It's a lot cheaper to make a drink twenty times when you're only using colored water. Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
Riesling is just like wine, Goody. Store it so the cork doesn't dry out, and it should last you a good long while. I've always had it served chilled or cold.
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
Let me see....
""Riesling wines can often be stored longer than other typs of white wine and may improve with age"
"White wines are best served chilled"
Hope that helps Goody.
EDIT: removed my idiot comment
[ March 07, 2006, 10:23 PM: Message edited by: Advent 115 ]
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Risuena, (this from th resident bartender)The bar sour mix often has added citrc acid, as well as a frothing agent. (yuck) Maybe those things bother you, not just sour drinks in general.
Also, for you Grayhound lovers(or grapefruit juice lovers) out there, Minute Maid has a new fresh grapefruit juice which is fabulous.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
"And I tend to trust my textbook over your assertions."
You might want to curb this type of attitude when you work in a real bar, Advent. Many, many bartenders, "unschooled" except by hardcore experience, with savvy, tact, and class, will laugh you right out the door if you start quoting the book to them.
Bartending is about 80% personality.
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
Hmm, I'll take that into consideration Elizabeth.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Advent, I don't want to advocate you drinking in bars, but go and watch some bartenders, and see what they do. How do they speak to the wait staff? Do they have favorites, making drinks faster for one server, and ignoring another? Do they share the bar with another bartender? How do they share that small space? How much time do they spend chatting with people?
Restaurants can be really tough places, socially. So, the more you can observe, as well as learn in school, the better.
I guess that is true of everything, though!
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
No need to worry about that I don't drink any form of alcohol. But I am present at plenty of bars when my friends ask me to be their designated driver (something I do quite frequently these days). So I think I'll observe the bartneders from now on.
And that is so true.
Posted by Risuena (Member # 2924) on :
Elizabeth, I'd kind of figured that it was the sour mixes that gave me problems rather than the actual drinks themselves (actually, I think my mom is allergic to citric acid, so that's probably what gets me, too), but in general it's not worth me ordering a sour unless I'm certain that they're using fresh squeezed juice in the mix.
Besides, rum & cokes and cranberry & vodkas tend to keep me happy when I'm out at a bar.
One thing that I would like to do eventually is to learn about wines. I know very basically that I tend to like pinot grigios and merlots and dryer rather than sweet. But that's about the extent of my knowledge. I should probably start keeping track of what wines I do like so that I can eventually get a better picture of my likes. But that takes effort.
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
I might be able to help. But I won't bother you with info unless you ask.
Posted by Enigmatic (Member # 7785) on :
quote:Originally posted by El JT de Spang: Gin smells like pine needles and makes me angry.
--Enigmatic
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Oh, I do so miss my Milk and Cheese.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
Riesling is my favorite. And I don't even really like wine.
I have to find out what kind my mom got me for New Year's. It was tasty. My mom has really good taste in white German wines.
-pH
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
We had some riesling at a party I went to a few months ago. Everyone else really enjoyed the riesling and ignored the Chianti. I, however, love chianti and finished off about 90% of the bottle. I then went on to play guitar and sing, probably too loudly.
Ah, alcohol, I still drink to your health.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
If I go out, I'm most likely to order a beer, because most beers are kosher. Yeah, really!
But at home, we drink gorgeous kosher wine. There are some awesome kosher wines coming out of South Africa, Australia, Chile, and Portugal.
My indulgence to relax at the end of a stressful day, or as a special treat? Don't barf, but I like warm drinks. Like a warm soy or Lactaid milk with a nice shot of Amaretto. Or a cup of Earl Grey tea with a generous splash of brandy. On a chilly winter night, it is so warming and lovely!
In warmer weather, I've invented a more sophisticated drink -- icy cold vodka (I store it in my freezer), with a drip of vermouth and a lemon twist. I named my drink "The Haiku". But it is so simple, that I'm thinking it must have been invented and named before. I just have no idea what the name is. If you take away the lemon and add an olive, it is a martini. Or with a nasty onion, it is a gimlet. But with a lemon twist? I'm still voting for "Haiku".
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
Good one Primal.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
Yeah, hilarious.
You know what else is funny? Your assertion that you use real alcohol in your bartending classes.
You're either pulling my leg or have no idea what alcohol looks or smells like.
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
Well I'm not around it often enough to recognize it by smell, *shrugs* but I supose your right. Plus most of the examples I've witnessed in class so far is what the instructor is pouring.
And I mean no offence, but why do you keep acting like that? I mean you seem to almost enjoy getting downright mean to some people. Even after other Hatrackers have asked you to stop (MPH for example).
I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just curious why you keep doing that not just to me (right now I probably still deserve it), but also to others like Blayne.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Hmmmm. A good, cold, dark beer. Delightful.
A nice blush wine on occasion -- not too bad.
Red wine -- only if that's all that's available.
Hard alcohol? Well, in my far gone youth, I was all for straight shots. Lots. Heck -- just hand the fifth over. Southern Comfort. Vodka. Rum. Gin (with a little tonic and lime). I don't touch the stuff now -- haven't for years and years and years. *shudders*
With the occasional exception of a "hot toddy" when made by my mommy -- in cases of cold weather and sniffly noses. *grin*
Bartenders are a breed apart -- the good ones, anyhow. There is a definite flair that some of them bring to the job -- and a lot of skills beyond "mixology." I.e., the ability to "read" the customer -- to listen -- to know when enough is enough and stand by it -- to stay calm under pressure -- a sense of humor and unending supply of jokes . . .
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
Cause when Primal doesn't like someone, he likes to make sure they never forget it.
Posted by Stan the man (Member # 6249) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elizabeth: I have a Guinnes spoon, Kristen.
I don't really know how to use it, though.
It can also be used in making a Black Velvet. 'Tis the best drink that includes a Guiness. Take a pint glass, pour it to 50% full with hard apple cider (Strongbow is best), and then fill the rest with Guiness by pouring over the spoon. When I make these at home I have to suffice with a regular spoon, but they still come out good.
As far as tonight.... Beer, about a case worth for me and then the shots started (which is quite usually my minimum). Then...Jager-Bombs. It didn't help that it was one of the DJ's B-day today. We were all buying rounds. Good thing I kept enough aside for a cab.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
Advent, I do it because I enjoy pushing people's buttons and giving them crap. Don't ask me why, I'm sure there are plenty of people who can draw all kinds of interesting conclusions from my behaviour.
Most of them, however, just don't understand, uh, people like me.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
You know, Glynn, it has been an awfully long time since we last psychoanalyzed you. Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
Well, I guess thats a good enough explaination.
Hmm, I think I'm going to go into my kitchen and try to make this recipe for a virgin Pina Colada I just found in my book. It sounds really good.
EDIT: dang, no pineapple juice. Oh, well. Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
Umm, who's Glynn? Is that Primals real name or something?
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
quote:Originally posted by Advent 115: dang, no pineapple juice.
Well, just substitute something. Make a Kool-Ade Colada.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
quote:Umm, who's Glynn? Is that Primals real name or something?
Yup. People here who know each other fairly well will often refer to each other by RL name.
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
Don't have any. I'll have to get some at the store in the morning. The pinapple juice that is.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Advent 115: Umm, who's Glynn? Is that Primals real name or something?
Yes.
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
I get ya now. *nods like he knows whats going on* Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: You know, Glynn, it has been an awfully long time since we last psychoanalyzed you.
Yeah, it's been, what, ten minutes or so? I think I'm due.
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
Its not like I was trying to analyze you. I was just curious why you did it so often.
Posted by Kristen (Member # 9200) on :
quote:If I go out, I'm most likely to order a beer, because most beers are kosher. Yeah, really!
Have you heard of the Egyptian vodka that's supposedly kosher for Passover? I think it's made with rice--I wonder how different it tastes.
One of my good friends from my first year of college kept kosher and introduced me to the large spectrum of yummy kosher wines (and also, to my roommate's dismay, gifeltefish) .
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
Advent, it might also be a good idea when you're at bars with your friends to ask bartenders what their buyback policy is.
This might be something you'd want to do at a quiet time when their manager isn't around, and preferably with a bartender you've already been friendly with.
Posted by Mean Old Frisco (Member # 6666) on :
Not pissing off the bartender 101:
Do not whine that you can't taste the liquor in your strawberry daiquiri.
Likewise, your Midori sour isn't going to get any stronger, either.
Do not ask me to mix high-end cognac with coke, nor with each other. Unless you somehow can scientifically prove that it takes a shot of Alize to really bring out the flavor of Courvosier.
If you ask me to make your Long Island "really good", you're getting 2 ounces of house gin in there. If you complain after trying it, I'll just pour the gin straight into your straw when you're not looking.
If it's your birthday, I'll probably buy you a shot. If it's your 21st birthday, I'll probably buy you a prarie fire or cement mixer. Nothing personal, it's just funny.
If you order something you've never tried and don't like it, I will not "trade it in" for something else. Bring it to the girl across the bar and make a new friend.
If you're a good tipper, any drinks made by mistake are yours free. If you're a bad tipper, I hope you're not thirsty.
Um, yeah. Long night at work. Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
I was out at SeaWorld, which is owned by Anheuser-Busch, last weekend. Just like Busch Gardens, they have a hospitality house where you can sample beers. I was pleased to find out they now have a pretty good stout (Bare Knuckle) and a Belgian ale (Spring Heat). Unfortunately, they're only available as draft, so I still must bypass their section in the stores.
I've heard some wine drinkers say that reislings are a good wine for people who have never had wine before because it's sweeter. They told me that as your taste buds mature, you'll learn to appreciate the drier wines. After several years, I'm still very immature apparently as reislings are still the only wines I enjoy. This is something I've come to terms with.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
That sucks, Frisco. I always tip well, having been on the other side [mostly waitressing] many many times.
Advent, I really appreciate the difference in your posting style and your thoughtful new restraint. It is a wonderful change, and keeping with it will make things better, I promise. (Things are still a little rough around the edges now, obviously, but this will pass. People kind of need to see that this isn't just another phase for you, and the way to gain trust is to stay reliable and authentic.)
Meanwhile, I'd love to hear what your textbook has about different reds. Thanks!
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
And I have no idea what a "buyback policy" is, nor a "prairie fire" or "cement mixer." My 'tending experience was limited to a rather stodgy old country club. I'm also on the shady side of bright, so it takes me awhile to learn things.
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Ah. Google is your friend. Okay, now I get the "Prairie Fire" and "Cement Mixer" references, but "buyback policy" is still undefined in my noggin. It seems to be something shady one does with friends, and people on the Net seem to really appreciate a "liberal buyback policy." A lot.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
Does anyone actually ask for a cement mixer? It sounds more like something you would dare someone to do.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
I think I would like it, actually. Curdling doesn't trouble me at all, and I drink straight lemon juice sometimes.
On the other hand, it does seem a bit of a waste of an Irish Cream. *doubtful
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tante Shvester: icy cold vodka (I store it in my freezer), with a drip of vermouth and a lemon twist
A HAIKU
icy cold vodka with a drip of dry vermouth finished with lemon
You can substitute "sweet" for "dry", if that's you preference
-Bok
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
Maybe it's just because I'm not an Irish cream drinker.
When I went to my reunion recently, one of my best friends was there. She married very well and now lives in Hollywood Hills overlooking the Kodak Theater. Her husband bought several glasses of champagne for everyone at our table, but I didn't find out til the end of the night that he had been buying Dom Perignon. That was probably the only time I will ever drink that and I didn't even realize it. Good stuff, but I'm not sure my immature taste buds appreciate it enough to be worth the money it costs.
Slight derailment, but the story was alcohol related, so...
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
Further derailment: I think the expression "married well" is pure foolishness. Rich != better.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
I didn't say she married well just because he's rich. He's a very nice guy, treats her very well, loves their kids and is great to talk to. I should have made that more clear. The rich part just ties into the Dom.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
Sara,
Buyback policy: In repsonse to good tipping, the bartender may be willing to purchase a drink for you.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
People generally mean "married rich" by "married well". Whether or not that's what you meant by it, I can't say. But I wasn't trying to insinuate that she married for money, it was just a general rant.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
I probably did mean it that way in context with the story, but she did marry well for all the right reasons too.
Posted by KarlEd (Member # 571) on :
I just discovered high-end tequila. Man I never knew what I was missing. I really like the taste of tequila, but drinking it straight was harsh on my throat. I can drink Jose Cuervo Gold straight, but only as a shot, and it burns going down, so I usually drink that only in Margaritas or with OJ.
However, I just splurged on a bottle of Sauza Tres Generaciones Anejo. It is to lesser tequilas what fine silk is to burlap.
I like lots of wines, but rarely get to drink many of them. Chris only likes sweet wines, and I don't drink wine enough to justify opening a bottle of something he won't drink with me.
For the past few years, I've been exploring liqueurs. My all-time favorite is Liqueur de Frigolet, but it's only available in the European Union. (They won't ship to the US) Others that I like are Frangelico, Amaretto, and Limoncello. When we go to the liquor store, we usually grab a bottle of something we haven't tried before. Since Chris usually tastes it and goes "yuck" (unless it's some kind of schnapps), and since I don't drink very heavily, we've built up a pretty good collection. (I should have a liqueur party to clear the inventory )
If you don't mind pink drinks, Chris and I just bought a bottle of stuff called "X-Rated". It's a blend of vodka and fruit liqueurs. The label had a recipe for an "X-Rated Foreplay", which was just mixing the X-Rated with Sprite (we used Sierra Mist) over ice. It was really good. Very refreshing and fruity. It's one of those dangerous drinks, though, (like a Long Island Ice Tea) in that it is much stronger than it tastes. Drink with caution. Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I generally find sweet wines a little nauseating; I much prefer a nice dry red.
Startlingly dry red wine with high quality dark chocolate is amazing.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
Noemon, does that nausea extend to ports? I love port wine. I feel both sophisticated and piratical at the same time.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I've actually never had port. I'd like to try it (and in fact I think that somebody left an unopened bottle of port at Noemonicon, come to think of it).
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
IIRC, Riesling is a type of grape. Additionally, good german wines are rated by when and how the grapes are picked - later equals sweeter.
I am not a big wine drinker, but I am very fond of a good auslese.
Posted by KarlEd (Member # 571) on :
I like port. I really like lambrusco, too, which is a sweetish red that is usually served chilled. It's really good with Italian food.
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
The term "buyback" is sometimes something of a misnomer. It's basically the practice of giving free drinks to regular (or big spending) customers to encourage them to come back or buy more.
Some places have policies that their bartenders are not allowed to "buyback" any drinks - meaning, customers pay for every drop and nothing is on the house. Others have unofficial policies of "buying back" one out of every four or five drinks or so for regulars or big spenders. Most places have no official policy, and it's baretender-specific - often without management's knowledge.
As an example, I used to work bar at a local restaurant/pub on a Sunday shift from 2 pm to "whenever I felt like closing" (so said the owner, just as long as it wasn't after the 2 am cutoff by NJ law). When I first started, I took over for a guy who had a fairly steady clientele, and the day's sales were in the $600-$800 range, putting my average tip take at $130-170.
Now, I hadn't ever heard of a "buyback" and so was confused why more and more customers stopped coming in, to the point where sales dipped as low as $300-400 each Sunday. Finally, one of the regulars got up at the end of the night and said "Would it kill you to buyback a drink now and then?" and walked out, never to return.
I asked a bartender friend of mine this, and he explained the practice, and I started to adjust. I made a show of saying, "I got this one" on every fourth or so, especially with drinks poured from a bottle that didn't show up easily on inventory. (I knew the owner could pinch a penny until it screamed, and would not have been pleased by the practice.)
End result? In three weeks, Sunday sales were up over $1000, some days spiking as high as $1600 and I was having to turn on the spotlight and unplug the jukebox at 2 am to make people go home. I was routinely taking home $250-300 dollars a night, and the bar was getting busier and busier.
If the owner noticed we were going through kegs or well liquor faster than sales indicated, he never said anything. He was happy as a lark because profits were soaring.
I mean, a bottle of well liquor costs in the range of $10-15 for 40 ounces, and we sold mixed drinks for $4 each. So, that 40 ounces would make $160 dollars... more than a 1000% profit. What's cutting that to a 800% profit if sales on food and higher end liquor were way up?
But, I must stress, this is something you should talk to other bartenders about and get straight with coworkers as soon as you start working somewhere. Some places will fire you on the spot for the practice, and others encourage it.
Seems Frisco is not of the "buyback" persuasion from his post. Posted by KarlEd (Member # 571) on :
Chris really likes Midori and Cranberry. It's his default drink when he can't think of something else he wants.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Thanks for the explanations, Primal and FlyingCow.
I think getting "boughtback" would freak me out, and I'd just tip extra heavy to cover it.
I'll weigh in on liking dry reds and port as well. Port's more like a liquor to my taste buds -- kind of like a liquory version of a red wine. Sippy, definitely.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
I don't think I've ever been boughtback before. I don't go to bars often anymore and when I did, I don't think I ever had enough drinks at the bar to get that 4th or 5th one boughtback.
One thing I learned in very crowded clubs was to tip very well on the first drink and then return to that same bartender the rest of the night. Service seems better after that. This obviously does not mean stiff them on tips on the other drinks.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
I get free drinks all the time.
I tip really well, too.
-pH
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
I almost never get boughtback. But I'm an average tipper, so I guess that's no surprise.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
I don't drink more than one or two drinks when I'm out, and that's usually with a dinner with my husband. I haven't the time for hanging out in bars, actually, and I haven't really had the inclination (except when on vacation, I suppose). Work has just been too all-consuming.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Yeah, I can't imagine having enough drinks in one evening for backbuying to kick in either.
Posted by Zamphyr (Member # 6213) on :
Buyback addendum: In bars where buybacks are official 'unoffial' policy, the bartender will often leave an upended shot glass in front of the customer as a reminder to both the customer and the barkeep that the next one is 'on the house'.
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
The bartenders at my "local" will "buy" about half my drinks. Of course, I am usually drinking plain cranberry juice!
Posted by Risuena (Member # 2924) on :
Back when I had a local, my friends and I got buybacks a lot. It also helped that one of my friends was the bartender's roommate. We'd probably get every third or fourth beer covered plus Timmy would regularly throw a round of shots our way. And anything non-alcoholic was free. I miss Timmy
Then there was a club I went to where I had a friend who knew the owner. We reguraly got into the VIP section for free, had free shots and discounted bottles.
So in my experience, buybacks are all about networking...
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
You don't have to drink 4 or 5 drinks a night for a buyback if you go to the same palce regularly. A friend and I go to the bar across the street from work almost every Friday during the fall - spring after work, and usually have one drink each plus some appetizers. Sometimes he has two, I never do. It's a sushi place, and the bar is usually pretty quiet at that time of day. A couple of weeks ago the bartender took our order, and then asked if we wanted to order more food because the drinks were on him that night. Now, we are good tippers, and like I said, we're there every week. And that week we tipped even better than normal. *shrug* Just wanted to tell those of you who say you never drink 4 or 5 when you're out that that's not the only way it happens. Posted by KarlEd (Member # 571) on :
So what do you consider "good tipping"? (question open to all)
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
For me, $3-6 -> $2 per drink, $7-10 -> $3 per drink. I don't drink much, though, so I apply the same rule as I do for food (i.e., order less means tip higher)
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
Wow, yeah, that's good tipping.
The rule of thumb I use is based on how much time and effort a drink takes to make.
Opening a bottle of beer, I'll throw a buck every other. Pouring a pint get a buck each pint, more if it's a really well poured pint of Guinness. An easy mixed drink like rum and coke will also get a buck each.
Anything that involves a shaker is an easy two bucks tip, more if it's complicated or done very well. On Long Islands (that aren't premixed) or Blood Mary's (also not premixed) it's three bucks each. If they are simply pouring a premix, that's back to rum and coke level for me and a dollar.
Normally, in my experience, male bartenders walk out with between 20%-25% of their sales on average in tips, and female bartenders walk out with 25%-35% of their sales in tips. Less if you're working in a chain restaurant bar.
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
Since Claudia asked me earlier:
My favorite style of Red Wine is Merlot. Last time I had it was at my sisters wedding 4 or 5 years ago. I like it because it has a great textue, low on the acidity, and it has a dry flavor to it.
Not that I've had any since then (no occations worthy of it).
"Merlot is a popular red wine due to its soft, lush, and easy to drink nature"
"If you are new to red wines Merlot is a great place to start"
But as far as the most interesting sounding I would have to say that is the Pinot Noir style.
""Pinot Noir is valued for its fruit flavor, often tasting of berries, and its velvety smooth feel in the mouth"
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
CT, that's generally how I tip, as well.
And I tip a dollar for soda.
And if I get something for free, I tip for that, too.
-pH
Posted by KarlEd (Member # 571) on :
quote:Normally, in my experience, male bartenders walk out with between 20%-25% of their sales on average in tips, and female bartenders walk out with 25%-35% of their sales in tips. Less if you're working in a chain restaurant bar.
This is, of course, reversed in your typical gay bar. Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
quote:Originally posted by pH: And I tip a dollar for soda.
And if I get something for free, I tip for that, too.
Of course!
Advent, thanks. I like merlot as well. Have you seen the movie Sideways? One of the main characters waxes ecstatic about the pinot grape.
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
No, but I think I might check it out now that it has your recomondation. Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Peitie Syrah tends to be a very accessable red wine, in my experience, that I would recommend to anyone who wanted to "learn to like" red wines. Houge vineyards tends to have very nice ones, although I haven't tried to most recent year yet.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
"In warmer weather, I've invented a more sophisticated drink -- icy cold vodka (I store it in my freezer), with a drip of vermouth and a lemon twist. I named my drink "The Haiku". But it is so simple, that I'm thinking it must have been invented and named before."
Nope, it is a martini with a twist. But if you asked for it this way at a bar, it would be a Haiku:
Martini quite dry Lemon yellow twist dropped in Straight up, of course, please
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
"One of the main characters waxes ecstatic about the pinot grape."
And what does he say about Merlot, CT?
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
I think he has a less than ecstatic view of Merlot, Elizabeth. And merlot-drinkers. Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
No, but what does he say?
hee hee
Posted by Advent 115 (Member # 8914) on :
Man, I didn't think that this thread would slow down so quickly....
Come on! Where are the casual drinkers, and what are their favorite drinks? Or if not that, are there any easy reciepes anyone wants?
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bokonon: A HAIKU
icy cold vodka with a drip of dry vermouth finished with lemon
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Man, I didn't even see Bok's post when I posted mine!
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elizabeth: "if you asked for it this way at a bar, it would be a Haiku:
Martini quite dry Lemon yellow twist dropped in Straight up, of course, please
Posted by Valentine014 (Member # 5981) on :
*bumped for the people who want to try new drinks tonight*
Posted by Kristen (Member # 9200) on :
Holy moly, I had green beer last night!
BRIGHT green. It was the oddest thing to drink, especially because it still tasted like the icky tap Busch our local bar offers.
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
A reminder: For those of you who like Baileys, try Bushmill's Irish Cream. Even better.
Posted by Valentine014 (Member # 5981) on :
I don't do beer, can anyone recommend a green drink that isn't beer?
Posted by Kristen (Member # 9200) on :
Valentine:
Melon cocktails: they are made with Midori and Vodka and are delicious!
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
My favorite part of St. Paddy's day in Butte (where it's like Mardi Gras and Christmas in one) was seeing people puke green beer.
/TMI
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
I'll be drinking a Guiness tonight, no doubt.
Mmmm...
-Bok, a beer drinker
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
A midori sour should be very green and non-beery. A Green Spider is kinda potent, yet green (it contains Bacardi 151, though).
There's also: 1. A Little Green Man From Mars 2. Green Angel 3. Green Card 4. Green Demon 5. Green Demon #2 6. Green Dragon 7. Green Eyes 8. Green Frog 9. Green Froggy 10. Green Goblin 11. Green Goblin Cocktail 12. Green Hulk 13. Green Iguana Margarita 14. Green Island 15. Green Lizard 16. Green Slime 17. Green Tide 18. Little Green Frog 19. Mean Green Love Making Machine
Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
i love irish carbombs. for those of you that don't know:
-you pour half a pint of guiness -in a shot glass combine half bailey's irish cream and half jameson's irish whiskey. -drop the shot glass into the pint glass and chug as fast as you can.
make sure to drink it fast, because if you don't it will curdle. it tastes yummy yummy yummy. kind of like chocolate milkshake beer.
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
A bit of a waste of half a pint of Guinness though.
-Bok
EDIT: Though at least the other half of a pint is still uncorrupted. Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
you wouldn't say that if you'd had one. oh glorious intoxication here i come!
(i'm off work now and it's time to start celebrating!)
Posted by Stan the man (Member # 6249) on :
Hah! yeah, I'm a regular where I go. I get free shots and beer now and then, but I never expect it to be done. The management at the bar will also pay me in beers if I happen to do something for them. Say, like, pull a roll of toilet paper out of the toilet for them. I made sure not to get my hand all soiled on this one. An' I washed afterwards. The only thing I was thinking was that I got a free beer for it.
Tipping: Beer has always been a dollar a bottle. Most shots are the same as far as tipping goes. It changes when I switch to water (I'm a social drinker, not a drunk). The bartenders at the bar get confused at first when I tip about 2 or 3 bucks on a bottle of water.
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
It's sacriligious, vonk. And it's absolute hell for the bartender to clean, lemme tell ya.
Blegh.
Grasshoppers aren't bad for a green drink.
1/2 oz Green Creme de Menthe 1/2 oz White Creme de Cacao 2 oz cream normally served in a stemmed glass, no ice
Green hornets aren't too bad either.
1 1/2 oz Brandy 1/2 oz Green Creme de Menthe served on rocks
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Others that I like are Frangelico, Amaretto, and Limoncello. When we go to the liquor store, we usually grab a bottle of something we haven't tried before. Since Chris usually tastes it and goes "yuck" (unless it's some kind of schnapps), and since I don't drink very heavily, we've built up a pretty good collection. (I should have a liqueur party to clear the inventory ![[Kiss]](graemlins/kiss.gif)