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Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
In the "should prostitution be legal?" thread, he said I should be ashamed of my political beliefs and that they were crap.

Instead of hashing it out thre I'll do it here.

I'm a Marxist-Leninist with Mao Zedong Thought; I believe that Captialism is full of inherant contraditions and will eventually fall and be replaced by a Workers Utopia shared by All, Leninist to the degree hat I doubt that it can happen spontaniously and agree that it takes a Unified Communist Party to lead the Workers and Farmers to Revolution. Maoist that I believe that it doesn't have to depend on the cities for it to work but that it can be the farmers and small town workers who can be the vanguard for the Revolution.

Now let us here YOUR excuse why you think what I believe is crap, I could say that Christianity is equally crap due that a leap of faith is ultimately required but I don't I'll argue on scientific grounds but will concede that you can't proove or disproove God with our current tools. But I don't tell someone that they're beliefs are crap except with racists, but my beliefs are far from Racists and so does not warrant being called crap.

Lets hear your excuse.

[Edit: Tired of reading that thread title. --PJ]

[ January 30, 2006, 05:43 PM: Message edited by: Papa Janitor ]
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
quote:
But I don't tell someone that they're beliefs are crap except with racists, but my beliefs are far from Racists and so does not warrant being called crap.
Why is it OK to call beliefs concerning race crap, but not any other beliefs?
 
Posted by Swampjedi (Member # 7374) on :
 
Seems to me that you've been a bit dismissive of other peoples' beliefs recently, yourself.

And honestly. If you think Snowden [edit: Irami] is Right Wing, then you really haven't read many of his posts.
 
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
Dude! You do not want to be a Maoist.
Seriously.
Mao was morally reprehensible. He was a terrible person who only cared for himself and his own self angrandizedment (sp)

I'm reading a biography about him, so I know.

I do agree with some aspects of socialism. They have been useful during the Industrial revolution and for getting 8 hour days and better work conditions, but I despise Lenin and Stalin and Mao especially.
Mao had MILLIONS of people killed. He didn't care of they were rich land owners, peasants or anything. If they stood in his way, he had them tortured and executed.
I don't believe that capitalism is completely evil, but laise-faire capitalism, unfettered uncontrolled capitalism is an evil thing.....

Carry and sorry to interrupt but I FREAKING HATE MAO.
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
No kidding - you think Irami's right wing? Take off the martyr costume.
 
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
 
But did I call them crap?

And mr port, pretty much every non racial slur/belief is relative.
 
Posted by Swampjedi (Member # 7374) on :
 
Ok, I went back and read the thread in question. Most times I don't agree with Irami, but I'd have to say you asked for it. In a big way.

Attention grabbing doesn't fly very well here at Hatrack... and I'd suggest writing a will if you try it at Ornery. [Razz]

Edit: Your dismissive attitude was all that was needed to call ideas crap. Actions >> words.
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
quote:

And mr port, pretty much every non racial slur/belief is relative.

What makes racial beliefs non-relative?
 
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
 
quote:
I'm reading a biography about him, so I know.
Is that the new one by Jung Chang, by any chance? I went to a talk by her last year on the subject of Mao - it was fascinating, in a terrifying sort of way...
 
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
Yes. it is. It is an extremely good book. I think it's well written too, but it's SHOCKING.
I can't believe what an awful person he was on every level...
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
Blayne. You are not playing nice. I am disappointed in you. [Frown]
 
Posted by Rappin' Ronnie Reagan (Member # 5626) on :
 
Irami wasn't nice either.
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
*sits back with popcorn*

-pH
 
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
 
quote:
I'm a Marxist-Leninist with Mao Zedong Thought
I'm a McCartney-Lennonist myself. Words are flowing out like endless rain . . .

/try the veal
 
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
 
He thinks that everything boils down to economics. I think that's stupid. Decisions are made- and rightfully made- for a myriad of reasons, some of which aren't even remotely tied to economics and have everything to do with a sense of public self-respect, dignity, love, curiosity or caprice. For example, there is no economic reason why he started this thread. But yet, here it is. I'm nice enough. I just don't suffer foolish theories gladly. And since his is a popular foolish theory, shared by capitalists and marxists alike, I took a stand.
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
pH, how are you even popping corn? You don't have electricity in your kitchen.
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
*goes to get popcorn from kitchen*
 
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
 
Ladies, this might be a short show. My spidey sense is telling me this thread is going to be deleted or locked soon enough.
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tante Shvester:
pH, how are you even popping corn? You don't have electricity in your kitchen.

I can pop corn with my MIND.

-pH
 
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
I meant it literally. I just got some popcorn from the kitchen, and I'm trying to position it so it doesn't cover up the hardcopy I'm editing.
 
Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
 
Snowden's Right Wing now?

I knew the country was sliding to the left but if Irami is right wing then the battle was lost years ago.

Guess I'll just get my lobotomy (to get rid of any individualistic thoughts) and have my SSN implanted in a chip in my hand so I can join the Perfect System.

Pix
 
Posted by Papa Janitor (Member # 7795) on :
 
Locked. To be deleted soon.

If you wish a one-on-one discussion, take it off the board. You're both out of line. <Self-censors several times.>

Waste of good popcorn, if you ask me.
 


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