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Posted by ? (Member # 2319) on :
 
Revolution Controller

For those of you who play videogames, what do you think?

?
 
Posted by andi330 (Member # 8572) on :
 
If I have to use that controller, I may never buy that system.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I really wanted to buy the system, but I have some problems with that controller.

It looks extremely prone to glitches. Also, you are supposed to be able to play games from any of the previous systems, how will you do that with that crazy controller?
 
Posted by andi330 (Member # 8572) on :
 
I heard Revolution was going to be backwards compatible to the Game Cube.

I hope that they have alternate controllers available. I would lose that one in my couch cushions.
 
Posted by Vasslia Cora (Member # 7981) on :
 
Thats.... interesting. I feel a little better about then I do the PS3 control (looks like a boomarang) but I am still a little uneasy about it. You never know it could be the best controller ever.
 
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
 
It sounds so...freaking...cool.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I was under the impression that it would come with NES games on the hardrive, with the ability to download games from SNES and N64. That's what I read from the gaming convention.

I don't see how any of that is possible with that controller.
 
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
 
quote:
was under the impression that it would come with NES games on the hardrive, with the ability to download games from SNES and N64. That's what I read from the gaming convention.

I don't see how any of that is possible with that controller.

Look at the controller - flipping it to the side, it basically becomes a perfectly serviceable NES controller!
 
Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
I love it. Just thinking of all the potential games it offers is just awesome. The shape itself may not be the best, but it's fine in my opinion. Of course, I'm a hardcore Nintendo fan though, so what'd you expect? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged (Member # 7476) on :
 
Goodness, and thought the PS3 controller was weird. I guess I'll have to get te Xbox 360 then...
 
Posted by Treason (Member # 7587) on :
 
That. Can. Not. Be. Real.
It's ridiculous. There is no way that is real. I know Nintendo likes to be "revolutionary" but no. I don't buy it nonono.

?

When am I gonna get this info at EB Games?
 
Posted by Treason (Member # 7587) on :
 
Wowbagger, funny thing-after everyone freaked about the PS3 controller, all of a sudden it was a "prototype"
So that may not be the controller you end up with. You'll still have to wait until holiday 06.
Get the 360. November 22.
Whoopie!
 
Posted by Rico (Member # 7533) on :
 
Apparently it's real... they have a few hands on articles out there, I read the one posted over at Gamespot and it looks like the real deal. To tell the truth I wasn't very excited about it to begin with but now I'm even more skeptical.

No matter what people keep syaing about it, the controller looks just plain awkward to hold, I can't imagine playing a game with it, all I can picture myself doing with this thing is changing the channel or turning the TV off so I can do something more porductive with my time.

Eh... I don't think my opinion will change until I get a chance to try it. Both the PS3 and Revolution controllers look horrendous to me, the 360 controller seems to be the only one bordering on actually looking like it might be comfortable. However, whoever decided that the shade of white used for the 360 and its controllers was good must have been blind in my opinion.
 
Posted by Treason (Member # 7587) on :
 
I kind of like the white, reminds me of my georgous beautiful ibook. [Smile]
 
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
 
Wow. Now all they need is a cute robot.
 
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
 
Wow... that was not at all what I expected. Nintendo is certainly serious about thinking outside the "box"...

If it works well, I might finally be able to enjoy first-person shooters as they should be enjoyed - with the ability to actually point and shoot rather than work with those complicated multiple joysticks. And it opens the doors to so games that really could not have existed before. I am a bit worried about playing those NES classics though - hopefully they've thought of a good solution for that.

I have to suspect there might be an option of buying alternative old-style controllers. But given that Nintendo seems to be staking its next generation system on this, it must work pretty well. It's certainly going to make waves.
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
As Taalcon noted above, you turn the remote sideways and it's arranged like a NES controller. It may be a little thick to comfortably play NES titles for a long time, though. Either way, my understanding is that the Revolution will also support GameCube controllers. My experience with playing Game Boy Advance games on my GameCube is that the GameCube controller is fine for NES/SNES-style titles.

Overall, I'm intrigued, but my personal jury is still out. I hadn't planned on buying any of the next-gen consoles, but you never know...
 
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
 
Actually, looking at this I have to think that Nintendo is viewing this as the video game equivalent of Apple's switch from keyboard to computer mouse.
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
I think you mean Xerox's switch. [Wink]

(But yes, your point is taken. [Smile] )
 
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
 
No, it was Apple's addition of the mouse that started a revolution. If Nintendo was emulating Xerox then they wouldn't have been so secretive about this controller - and you might have seen Sony reveal their own version weeks ago. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Taalcon:
Look at the controller - flipping it to the side, it basically becomes a perfectly serviceable NES controller!

Oh boy! Eighties ergonomics all over again.
 
Posted by johnsonweed (Member # 8114) on :
 
um...no.
 
Posted by Enigmatic (Member # 7785) on :
 
quote:
And it opens the doors to so games that really could not have existed before.
Lightsabers!

Please?

--Enigmatic
 
Posted by aragorn64 (Member # 4204) on :
 
quote:
Wow. Now all they need is a cute robot.
Remember ROB? ^_^

Anyway, I'm definitely a little skeptical about this controller. But the articles I read on GameSpot and IGN both seemed very positive about it, and they actually played it...I definitely want to try it out for myself before I form an opinion.

Oh, and the bottom of the controller will supossedly hook up to other peripherals. There's a picture of an analog stick hooked up, which is supossed to be for FPS's. (You aim with the controller's movement tracking, and move with the analog stick). I'm guessing there are going to be peripherals that can hook to the bottom of that that let you play the NES, SNES, and N64 games that you can download. The Revolution already has ports for GCN controllers.

So yes, I am skeptical about it, and I'm sure just about everybody is. But I also realize the potential, even if I'm not sure they will be able to pull it off. Nintendo has a long way to go to receive the approval of all these gamers concerning the controller.

And I'm a little dissapointed they didn't show any real game footage.
 
Posted by Vasslia Cora (Member # 7981) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Enigmatic:
quote:
And it opens the doors to so games that really could not have existed before.
Lightsabers!

Please?

--Enigmatic

I love that idea, I think that would be a great controller for it.

I really want to try it out before I judge the revolution controller.
 
Posted by 0range7Penguin (Member # 7337) on :
 
Using a controller that is like a remote controll looks like a complete pain in the ass. I think nintendo reached the height of game controllers with the gamecube but their is some odd tabue against using the same controller for 2 systems. I hadnt even heard of the new Nintendo system before this.
 
Posted by calaban (Member # 2516) on :
 
Woot. It's the Ipod of gaming controllers!

Give me a ps2 controller anytime.
 
Posted by Vasslia Cora (Member # 7981) on :
 
quote:
but their is some odd taboo against using the same controller for 2 systems
No, the Playstation, the PS1 (the small white one) and the PS2 all used the same controller.

EDIT: Hey don't look at me, I did copy and paste.

[ September 16, 2005, 01:37 PM: Message edited by: Vasslia Cora ]
 
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
Tabue?
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Vasslia Cora:
quote:
but their is some odd tabue against using the same controller for 2 systems
No, the Playstation, the PS1 (the small white one) and the PS2 all used the same controller.
It's the same form factor, but the button sensitivity and response is significantly different (better) on the PS2 version.
 
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
He sDID say nintendo, right?


PS is made by Sony, folks...


I think the next layer of limitation may be the people playing the games rather than the controlers.
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
I think his "taboo against using the same controller for two systems" implied the general case. Either way, the Revolution will support the GameCube controller, if for no reason other than backwards compatibility. At E3 the pictures they showed had four GC controller ports.
 
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
I don't...he was talking about Nintendo having a taboo aginst using the same controlers from generation to generation. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
He was, but then he said "there is some odd taboo against using the same controller for two generations." And in most cases it does hold -- look at everyone except Sony (notably Nintendo, Sega, and Microsoft). And even Sony only used the same form factor for two generations.
 
Posted by Zarex (Member # 8504) on :
 
You could actually do fist person medevil games, useing that controller, instead of having buttons for vertical and horizontal slice, you could actually freely control the movement of your sword/lightsaber. Think of what the Lord of the Rings games would have been like with this controller, so... flippin... awesome!

The only possible awkwardness with that might be when someone blocks your swing, the sword on screen comes to a dead halt but the controller feels no resistance. Might be a problem.

Speaking of swing, think how awesome baseball games could be, instead of pushing a button to swing the bat and it just being a matter of timing, you might actually have to aim the swing so that there is actually some skill involved.

This controller looks extremely promising to me.
 
Posted by aragorn64 (Member # 4204) on :
 
Watch the video over at IGN...it does show some guy using it like a baseball bat, so I'm sure we'll see that.
 
Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
 
Since the controller can vibrate, I'm sure they'll have the controller vibrate when you hit another sword.

I'm pretty excited about it. Course, I'm pleased with nintendo's very daring moves. I have the DS, and its my first handheld gaming device.
 
Posted by Hamson (Member # 7808) on :
 
This looks so awesome. Using the controller as a lightsaber or sword would be SOO fun. It's pretty amazing that they could design a controller to do this. Can't wait to give it a try.
 
Posted by MKellar (Member # 8133) on :
 
This controller won't cause any backwards compatibility problems as the system has Gamecube controller ports which can be used for most of the back library of Nintendo games. Also, there is this...

"Iwata addressed concerns people might have about playing retro games on the Revolution's new controller through its virtual console backward compatibility, saying that classic-styled expansion controllers would be available so people could enjoy the games as they originally remembered them."

I am incredibly excited about the possibilities this controller will present. I've always wanted a shooter with the capabilities the Revolution controller presents. Aiming will be so much more intuitive and natural making the game that much more immersive.

Also, imagine a Punchout sequel that can be played with a controller in each hand. It will be good for Zelda games too, as you can move around freely and then when locked onto an enemy the freelook will be disabled and the controller will then become your sword! The same can be said for lightsabre battles in any Star Wars game.

Also, using the controller as a flashlight will be very great for scary games. Real Time Strategy games will also be more controllable on a console than they have been in the past.

I also like the idea of the expansion port on the controller that allows for connection of the analog stick (which better come standard) and other future peripherals. Many different peripherals could be made to further innovate. How about an attachable throttle or gearshift while the control is used as a flight stick or steering wheel. How about a motionsensitive shield to go with your sword. That expansion will allow for many more ideas.

I don't see why anyone can be upset by this thing. It allows for so much functionality that current controllers can't provide. Sure, it might be tough to port some games to this system, but this system isn't meant for ports. This is a revolution and I applaud Nintendo for trying something new.

I think they really will create their own niche and be able to branch out of this "Console War" and do their own thing successfully. Maybe it can broaden the market, anyone will be familiar with this thing since it looks like a remote and non-gamers will be able to "get it" because what is done with the controller will yield immediate results onscreen. Most people don't play games because they are too complicated and they see people pressing button combinations they dont understand, but when you see someone swing this thing and an on screen sword swings along with it, they'll realize they can do that too. The fact that this thing is compatible with old school games from a simpler time will also attract these nongamers or retired gamers. Who can't play Mario?

It is beautiful in its simplicity but the functionality of it will allow for more depth of control for the hardcore folk like me than meets the eye.

I'm slightly excited. !!!
 
Posted by BryanP (Member # 7772) on :
 
I used to be a huge Nintendo fan, but I've really had it with them over the last couple years. I think they've really dropped the ball with the Gamecube, and I was pretty ready to write them off, and when I saw this thing, it confirmed it.

But after reading articles on IGN, Gamespot and Game Informer and seeing how positive all the journalists were about it, and thinking about all the possibilites for it, I started getting a little excited. And this video is frackin sweet:

http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/651/651334/vids_1.html

If they can make some great games for it, it truly may be a revolutionary system, and I didn't think it would live up to the name. I'm looking forward to it.
 
Posted by ? (Member # 2319) on :
 
quote:
Also, using the controller as a flashlight will be very great for scary games.
I really like this idea.


?
 
Posted by 0range7Penguin (Member # 7337) on :
 
that last one is awesome. Actually gettting to point your flashlight in corners and stuff would be cool
 
Posted by Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged (Member # 7476) on :
 
I kinda want to see a real actual game demo, something to show how it will work in real life. Looks like another Nintendo system where all the good games will be first party.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
I've been using a Gyration mouse -- which is built on similar gyro technology -- for my home theatre PC for two years now, and I've often wondered why it hasn't been incorporated into more controllers. Yay.
 
Posted by Vasslia Cora (Member # 7981) on :
 
I just watched the video and now I can't wait to see some gameplay footage.
 
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
To be honest, I don't like the design of it, but I do like the idea that it would present a challenge to get used to. So, I find the design bad, but intriguing to try on games.
 
Posted by Hamson (Member # 7808) on :
 
It's really going to give people some steady arms, that's for sure.
 
Posted by andi330 (Member # 8572) on :
 
I still think I'm going to lose it in my couch cushions.
 
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
T, you can't really know about the design until you use it...all the reviewers said the same thing, but loves it after using it with even the most basic of games. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
But... but.... it's... different!!! [Wink]
 
Posted by andi330 (Member # 8572) on :
 
COUCH CUSHIONS!!!!!!! [Dont Know]
 
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Taalcon:
quote:
was under the impression that it would come with NES games on the hardrive, with the ability to download games from SNES and N64. That's what I read from the gaming convention.

I don't see how any of that is possible with that controller.

Look at the controller - flipping it to the side, it basically becomes a perfectly serviceable NES controller!
I thought that was how it was supposed to be held until I saw the pics with the people holding it correctly.
 
Posted by MKellar (Member # 8133) on :
 
New info. Apparently a conventional normal controller like-shell will be available for the remote to slip down into to allow you to play "normally" if you are too big of an opponent of change. [Smile]
 
Posted by MKellar (Member # 8133) on :
 
I've found some user-created mockups of possible peripherals that look pretty intriguing.

For racing:
http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wheel24to.jpg

For shooting:
http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=revzapper3xb.jpg

For whatever:
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=understandingtherevolutioncont.jpg

For Classic N64 Gaming:
http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=possiblen64shell8ye.jpg


There is a lot of potential here...
 
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
 
XD
The zapper!!! Oh, a rush of childhood memories of times when I would futily shoot at a certain giggling dog!
 
Posted by Audeo (Member # 5130) on :
 
This looks great. When I was younger we used to tease my mom for jerking the controller in the air to 'help' Mario make a jump. I think that using a motion sensor will be more intuitive than people realize.
 
Posted by RoyHobbs (Member # 7594) on :
 
I agree!! I was always made fun of for stuff like that!
 
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
 
It looks like a TV remote. I guess that means my dad will have control of it. Because he controls all the remotes.
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Audeo:
This looks great. When I was younger we used to tease my mom for jerking the controller in the air to 'help' Mario make a jump. I think that using a motion sensor will be more intuitive than people realize.

Don't you know that the Nintendo controllers had sekrit motion sensors? That actually worked!

[Wink]
 
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
 
I jerk the controller about even if the game is loading. Nothing happens then though.
 
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
 
Wow, check out this article with speculation on how the new controller could change the whole zelda series.

quote:
For starters, this probably means that we will no longer play Link; we will be Link.

 
Posted by Enigmatic (Member # 7785) on :
 
The jerking the controller around phenomenon amused me most when people would do it with a gameboy, moving the screen around so much they couldn't really see what they were doing.

--Enigmatic
 


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