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Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
 
My sister and her husband called me the other day. They'd run across a puzzle, and couldn't figure it out. And since it was math oriented, they called the family geek.

They don't remember where the puzzle was, and they can't get the answer. I think I figured it out, but I thought I'd run it by the big brains on Hatrack and see what turns up.

Ahem.

"Three identical numbers add up to sixty, and none of them are twenty."

That's as close as they can remember to the exact phrasing. I searched all over the Internet, and failed to find anything like this.

Thoughts?
 
Posted by Mr.Funny (Member # 4467) on :
 
3*16 = 48 = 60 in base 8. [Dont Know]
3*32 = 96 = 60 in base 16.

Those are probably not the answer(s) you are looking for.
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
Of course NONE of them are 20 -- they ALL are! Not a math problem after all!
 
Posted by James Tiberius Kirk (Member # 2832) on :
 
That's what I was thinking too-- probably a base change of some sort.

--j_k
 
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
 
Haha, that's awesome Tante!

I vote for that answer.
 
Posted by Enigmatic (Member # 7785) on :
 
My first idea is 140 degrees.
140 + 140 + 140 = 420. If that's degrees in polar coordinates 420 is the same as 60, because there's 360 degrees in a circle and 420 - 360 = 60. Of course, this only works if all you're concerned about is the position, not the amount of rotation.

The punny answer would be 2D. 2D+2D+2D = six dee.

--Enigmatic
 
Posted by Enigmatic (Member # 7785) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tante Shvester:
Of course NONE of them are 20 -- they ALL are! Not a math problem after all!

This at occurred to me also, but if the wording is "none of them" instead of "not one of them" I don't agree that it's valid. Yes, I'm aware there's probably a word-root issue there, but I don't think that changes the definition of "none"

--Enigmatic
 
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
 
But you must remember that the wording is paraphrased.
 
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
 
quote:
the wording is "none of them"
Unfortunately, we don't know whether this is the correct wording of the puzzle or not.
 
Posted by Enigmatic (Member # 7785) on :
 
Yes, hence my use of the word "IF"

Also, IF it's "three identical numbers" I don't think "they're all 20" is a good answer, because why specify identical in that case? Sure, it could be the answer, but I think less of the riddle if that's it. And as Tante said, it wouldn't be a math puzzle.

--Enigmatic

Edit to add: We've got 5 answers (counting the non-math one) that can all work for the question as stated in OP. Since we don't have access to the original riddler, they're effectively all "right." Anyone have others?
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
How about 55 and 5? [Smile]
 
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
 
Oooo!! Tom that's a clever little answer.
 
Posted by Enigmatic (Member # 7785) on :
 
I like Tom's too!
I'm hoping in a day or two hatrackers will have posted dozens of different answers that could all work for the question. Kind of makes me want to post a "What's black and white and red all over?" thread, or other jokes that have lots of answers.

--Enigmatic
 
Posted by theresa51282 (Member # 8037) on :
 
Not at all the puzzle you are looking for but an interesting puzzle to try if you're bored. My best time is 14 minutes on medium.

http://www.websudoku.com/
 
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
 
That was fun theresa! Took me twenty minutes to get the easy one. :-P
 
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
 
Oh sudoku is fun!
 
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
 
I actually think the Evil one was a wee bit easier than Easy...
 
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
 
I started a thread about sudoku a few months ago... it died very quickly. [Razz]

(edit: Never mind. Someone bumped it. Raia is an idiot.)
 
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
 
How about 60 + 60 + (-60)?

Or does the sign not make the "numbers" identical?
 
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Enigmatic:
My first idea is 140 degrees.
140 + 140 + 140 = 420. If that's degrees in polar coordinates 420 is the same as 60, because there's 360 degrees in a circle and 420 - 360 = 60. Of course, this only works if all you're concerned about is the position, not the amount of rotation.

That was the solution I came up with. My father the doctor and my brother-in-law the marketing guy were skeptical. My brother the engineer seemed impressed with the answer. But it's cool hearing other ideas as well.
 
Posted by camus (Member # 8052) on :
 
5555, 5555, 5555
All the digits add up to 60.
 
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Enigmatic:
quote:
Originally posted by Tante Shvester:
Of course NONE of them are 20 -- they ALL are! Not a math problem after all!

This at occurred to me also, but if the wording is "none of them" instead of "not one of them" I don't agree that it's valid. Yes, I'm aware there's probably a word-root issue there, but I don't think that changes the definition of "none"

--Enigmatic

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the original phrasing was "not one of them is 20". When I first heard the puzzle, my initial sense was that it was some kind of wordplay, since it didn't make any mathematical sense (until I thought about circles). I'll have to ask my sister.
 
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by theresa51282:
Not at all the puzzle you are looking for but an interesting puzzle to try if you're bored. My best time is 14 minutes on medium.

http://www.websudoku.com/

I have taken a mighty oath (so to speak) never to go near a sudoku. I spend enough time online; I'm not about to find a new hobby. <shudder>
 
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by camus:
5555, 5555, 5555
All the digits add up to 60.

Nice!
 
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lem:
How about 60 + 60 + (-60)?

Or does the sign not make the "numbers" identical?

I suggested that whie I was still on the phone with them. They didn't think 60 and -60 counted as identical.

I'm inclined to think it was the "not one of the numbers is twenty" thing. I have this vague memory of hearing that riddle once when I was a kid.
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
The way I heard it was that someone has two coins which total 35 cents. One of them is not a quarter. What are the coins.

A dime and a quarter (the dime is the one that is not a quarter).
 
Posted by EarlNMeyer-Flask (Member # 1546) on :
 
pi/9 + pi/9 + pi/9 = pi/3 = 60 degrees
 
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
 
Clever, but if pi/3 counts as 60 then how does pi/9 not count as 20?

I like the 55 + 5 idea.
 
Posted by 0range7Penguin (Member # 7337) on :
 
I like the sudoku
 


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