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Originally posted by steven:
I tried this. I got some interesting results.

www.ncrdoctors.com

I actually did it on myself, since the closest Doctor who does this to me is 6 hours away by car.

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You restructured your own cranium? And got "interesting" results?
 

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Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
I don't grind my teeth, but I did have tmj in highschool. You can get fitted for a mouthpiece that you wear at night that pulls your lower jaw forward. That stretches everything out and relieves the symptoms.

It's expensive though, so I wouldn't do it if your symptoms are just annoying. I did it when I could no longer open my mouth wide enough to eat a hot dog.
 

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Posted by maui babe (Member # 1894) on :
 
I remember reading that TMJ can cause shoulder and other problems. I was diagnosed with TMJ about 10 years ago, but because my children's orthodontia was so expensive, I haven't had any treatment. Now I'm starting to wonder if some chronic neck and shoulder problems I've been having are related to the TMJ...

Goes off to google a bit...
 

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Posted by Jhai (Member # 5633) on :
 
It can run in families too - I have it, and an uncle does as well. As long as it doesn't hurt, I wouldn't worry about it that much. If you have the "cool" version of TMJ you can do awesome party tricks as well. My jaw can open wide as a python's!
 

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Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
 
Man, I almost saw this thread as having said "Jew problem" at first I got really mad thinking someone had the audaicty to spread hatred in this forum, thenmy vision focused and discovered it said "Jaw" and so I calmed and laughed embarrassed.
 

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Posted by Gosu (Member # 5783) on :
 
I just wanted to make sure that it won't affect my ears, since that jaw bone hits the ear canal....
 

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Posted by steven (Member # 8099) on :
 
Jon Boy,

I do NOT recommend doing this on yourself. I have gotten good results with it, but....
 

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Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
 
Doing . . . what, exactly?
 

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Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
 
Whoa. What is THIS?!

I've been telling people "my jaw pops" for about 8 years now. No one has ever known what I was talking about. My dentist and orthodontist either didn't believe me or didn't seem to care.

It started when I was playing field hockey, and in one of my earliest games, I discovered I could only open my mouth halfway after I removed my mouthguard. I was scared, but I went home and had a nap and when I awoke, I was fine. It happened several times after that. Then came the time period where every time I closed my mouth I had to wait for it to decide to open fully again. Like, every time I took a bite of food. It was terrible. Eventually, I figured out how to "pop" it open. The sensation has always reminded my of one of those adjustible pliers. It only hurts if I try to force the joint or if my mouth is open for long periods of time, like at the dentist's. When I had my wisdom teeth out, something happened, and it took about two months before my jaw recovered enough to open properly again.

Anyway, the point of this long ramble is my complete and utter amazement that I'm not alone, that someone ELSE has to deal with this, that I'm not completely off my rocker.

Wow.
 

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Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 

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I did it when I could no longer open my mouth wide enough to eat a hot dog.

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You restructured your own cranium? And got "interesting" results?

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Originally posted by Eaquae Legit:
Anyway, the point of this long ramble is my complete and utter amazement that I'm not alone, that someone ELSE has to deal with this, that I'm not completely off my rocker.

Wow.

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Oh, you are completely off your rocker. But not because of this.
 

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Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
 

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Your wrinkles might diminish as your brain expands to its full capacity.

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Then the patient is precisely positioned on the therapy table with the help of an assistant, including the support of pelvic wedges and sometimes a cranial pillow, for optimal treatment results and greater patient comfort. Then a small "endonasal" balloon is inserted into the nostril, briefly inflated, and quickly removed. Many patients describe the balloon pressure sensation as similar to getting water up their nose when jumping into a pool. Finally a recheck verifies that the treatment results have been achieved for that day.

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"Endonasal" balloons in treatment are not new. They have been a valuable tool in practice since the early 1930s. Frequently these treatments, such as Bilateral Nasal Specific therapy, gave relief of symptoms and some long-term results. However these older treatment approaches were generalized and frequently painful.

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Let's think realistically here and say that steven probably doesn't have the equipment necessary to make this procedure non-painful. So, he's on his bed with a balloon in his nose, inflating it! With every inflation it gets more and more painful. Can you imagine the self-control it would take to achieve the correct "treatment results." After all, you're realligning every bone in your head with one little balloon.

steven, I think it's safe to say, you need to research things a little more. If this is a new and basically unproven field, what makes you think you can make a do-it-yourself project out of it and assume you got the right results?
 

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Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Equae Legit, that is exactly how I felt when I diagnosed my coccyx problem based on information I found on Hatrack.

Boy, was I grumpy with all the doctors and nurses who told me, "Oh, that's normal after you have a baby" as I struggled to explain that was not the pain I was talking about. Not that there's really any treatment, but I found some excellent suggestions for relieving pain long enough to let it heal. I even found some exercise suggestions to strengthen muscles that helped take some of the pressure off the coccyx. But because Hatrack helped me find this out instead of my doctor, I wasted 6 months in horrible pain every time I sat, stood, or changed position, when I could have been relieving it at least some of the time.
 

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Posted by Gosu (Member # 5783) on :
 
Do wisdom teeth have anything to do with this? Because the wisdom teeth in the jaw that pops is almost fully developed, whereas on the jaw that's fine it's barely begun to grow.
 

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Posted by Katarain (Member # 6659) on :
 
My TMJ problems come and go. Anything can bring it on, like chewing gum for too long. Sometimes it hurts to close my jaw, sometimes it hurts to open it. Sometimes I can only open it part way--have to force it until it pops. Sometimes it hurts like crazy, sometimes it just clicks. Sometimes I push on the side of my jaw to get it more in alignment. Most of the time, I have no trouble at all.

One thing I notice, though, is that I open my mouth all the way, my mouth opens a little to the side instead of straight down. It's not really noticable, but I attribute it to TMJ.

And yeah... it's common. And it sucks. My brother used to have a clear plastic mouthpiece that fit tightly over his teeth. It hurt him a lot, though, if he put it on after forgetting to for a while. I don't think he ever got fully "cured."

-Katarain
 

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Posted by Katarain (Member # 6659) on :
 
And I don't know if wisdom teeth have anything to do with it. I had mine out and I still have the TMJ problem.

And we only have 1 jaw... with 2 sides. If I'm wrong about that, I'll be surprised. Unless you're some funky 2-headed creature. Now that'd be interesting...

-Katarain
 

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Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
 

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Your wrinkles might diminish as your brain expands to its full capacity.

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No, wait. This is a VERY close runner-up.

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What if my brain has already expanded to its full capacity? Does this mean I'll never get wrinkles?
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
My TMJ is absolutely stress related. I can tell exactly when I'm starting to stress about something, because the headaches and the grinding start.
 

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Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
 
How do you misalign a bone that's fused to other bones in your head?
 

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Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
 
I was always under the impression that the Frontal Bone was one solid bone that's fused to most other bones in your head. If you misalligned it wouldn't you misallign everything else? The Frontal Bone is a very large "Cranial Bone" not a "Facial Bone" so it would have a huge impact on everyting else. What in the world would make you think you should try something like this?
 

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Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
 
I've never read anything to the contrary of the teaching that the cranial bones are in fact fused. The sutures form an interlocking puzzle of zig-zags that form the best natural "fusing" of bones while not becoming one bone. If you look at how the Frontal Bone and the Parietal Bone are fused, it's a much tighter lock than the Frontal Bone to the Sphenoid(sp?) Bone. I could see how a person could "misallign" their Sphenoid Bone. But to say you misaligned your Frontal Bone without misalligning everything else is a bit misleading isn't it?
 

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Posted by steven (Member # 8099) on :
 
yes, it is potentially misleading, scott. I'm just trying to make myself look like I know something. that's the strategy I'm using here, to get people to like me for what I know rather than other things.
 

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Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
 
You should learn some great skills. You know, like nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills. . . .
 

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Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
 
Nunchucks, definitely nunchucks.

That would be totally sweet.
 

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Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
 
By the way, I got a new Napoleon shirt for my birthday the other day. It looks just like the gym shirt he wears in the movie (complete with "Napoleon" scrawled across it).
 

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Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
 
Napoleon kills another thread.
 

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when I got up from doing the balloons, could barely move my head and neck, and looked in the mirror and noticed that one eye was MUCH bigger than the other. (I had misaligned my frontal bone, I think)

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