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Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
 
I stumbled acorss this site while looking for a quote from Ender's game:

http://freebsd.so14k.com/~theshadow/Orson_Scott_Card_Enders_Game.html

It has the full text of the book without any indication that the webmaster has received OSC's permission to "publish" the book online.

I know OSC gives free chapters of his books online and is generally pretty generous with his materials, but I think this is going too far.
 
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
quote:
Should OSC be upset about this?
Um. Yes?

Is this a trick question?
 
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
 
Well, I couldn't decide between "Let's get this sucker" and "Where did I put my pitchfork?" So I waffled and used a less belligerent title. [Razz]

The site is hosted by a company based in Colorado:

http://www.whois.sc/so14k.com
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
Dang Coloradans! I'll get the pitchfork, you get the blazing torches, and somebody get the string, so we can string 'em up!
 
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
 
Um, he talked about this in one of the threads in the other side of the forum...

I can't remember his words for sure, so I'll probably slaughter what he really means. He said something like 'I figure that if a person reads my book for free and they like it, they'll go out and buy their own copy. And if they don't like it, they didn't waste any money, did they?'

I know, I'll just go and find that thread and send you there. ^_^
 
Posted by Heffaji (Member # 3669) on :
 
But what are you going to string the culprit up on?
 
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
 
He has said he wasn't that worried about piracy, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't take a few seconds to send a cease and desist letter to that website. Big difference between spending your time hunting down pirates and having one handed to you.
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
I'm not sure. Anyone out there with any stringin' up experience?
 
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
 
Thanks Vadon, CB. [Smile]

That does sound like something OSC would say. Even if OSC doesn't care that much, wouldn't his publishers be upset?
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
Oh! Pirates! I don't know if pirates are suitable for stringin' up. Perhaps someone with plank-walking or keel-hauling experience?

Or, I suppose, a cease-and-desist letter might be appropriate, too.
 
Posted by James Tiberius Kirk (Member # 2832) on :
 
Here's the link to his response when someone asked about downloading copies of his books:

http://www.hatrack.com/ubb/main/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=002731#000018

--j_k
 
Posted by TheClone (Member # 6141) on :
 
Someone went through a lot of effort to type that up, too..
 
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
 
Actually, hanging is the traditional punishment for piracy; usually from the yardarm of a Royal Navy man-o-war. Keelhauling is an internal punishment used on misbehaving sailors; walking the plank is what pirates did to each other to enforce discipline.
 
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
 
Bah, I had just found the thread too... my, reading through 16 pages of stuff makes time really seem like it flies by.

Good job finding it, JTK.

(Oh, and to find the thing I said roughly you have to scroll down a few more posts in that thread.)
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
quote:
Actually, hanging is the traditional punishment for piracy
OK! Anybody got a hanger?
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Just a cliff hanger, sorry.
 
Posted by Heffaji (Member # 3669) on :
 
You've got Sylvester Stallone locked up at your house? What use could you have for him?
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
Grrrr!
 
Posted by reader (Member # 3888) on :
 
Wow. It's 4:30 in the morning here; I clicked on the link to see where Ender's Game had been posted, and the first few paragraphs hooked me all over again, so strongly that I couldn't stop reading until I got all the way through. This is at least the fifth time I've read the book, probably more. I have to wake up at 8:30 in the morning... only four hours of sleep. Worth it, though. Ender's Game is one of the books that I consider a true masterpiece.
 
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
 
Actually, there's no reliable evidence that walking the plank was ever practiced at all. Oh, and pirates didn't go around burying their treasure, either. They spent it instead. [Smile]
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
Or invested it in their 401K plans.
 
Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :
 
Pirates spent their swag on wild women and alcoholic beverages and gambling, primarily. So they were pretty much like most writers (the nonMormon ones, anyway <grin>).

I take this kind of thing pretty seriously. If >I< put up a work of mine online, that's my business - I think it wouldn't hurt sales of my books, etc. But I would put it up on my own site, as part of the online community I support, and it would be at my option.

I don't appreciate people who appropriate my work without permission to put on THEIR site in order to gain whatever advantage they get. To pose as a public benefactor by taking someone else's work without permission strikes me as hypocritical. The public benefits from reasonable copyright laws - and leaving a writer with ownership and control of his own works during his own lifetime seems eminently reasonable to me.

So we will take action to try to get this website taken down as quickly as possible.

If you want a free copy of Ender's Game, check it out at the public library. My work is distributed free all the time - that way.
 
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
 
quote:
Pirates spent their swag on wild women and alcoholic beverages and gambling, primarily. So they were pretty much like most writers (the nonMormon ones, anyway <grin>).
I didn't even know they had Mormon pirates. That's kind of a strange concept, but I suppose--oh, wait, you meant writers. Non-Mormon writers. Never mind. [Wink]
 
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
 
Emily Litella [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
 
(What do you mean there's too much sax and violins on television!?)
 
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
Scott, good for you. I agree with you completely...about this, at least.

(It has been a while since I could say THAT with a straight face. [Wink] )


I hope they enjoy the Cease and Desist letter. [Big Grin]
 


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