I'm resigned to the fate of mail order bras. I'm too large for standard bras here, which come in A and B cup sizes. I havent' seen a single bra over a 34B.
Sigh.
Even when I was skinny, my breasts were far larger than that. You know the kind - men look like deer stuck in headlights. So, to mail order shopping! Onwards and upwards, ho!
Other than Victoria Secret, which has a limited selection in the larger sizes, where else would you suggest buying bras via mail order?
I'm not looking for sexy lingerie, but I'm also not looking for ugly grandma underwear either. Functional and attractive would be nice.
I have no idea what size you are, but JenniK likes their selection, adn she is larger than a DD.....
Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :
I'm astonished. There actually IS a topic on which I have no opinion.
Yet ... I was still able to find a reason to speak. The pathology of the compulsive conversationalist knows no bounds.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
I hate shopping for bras... Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Since you are the founder of Hatcrack, I have no sympathy for you.
[ April 29, 2005, 12:11 AM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Kwea, thanks. I'm checking out the website, and yep, they do have larger than DD, which makes me very very happy. And I can even shop by size, so I don't have to waste my time looking at styles that don't have a hope of fitting.
Now if I could only narrow down the selections automatically by eliminating all that aren't underwire...
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Yep, Hatrack is alive and well and posting a half dozen replies in the time it takes me to type two sentences and hit reply. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Lane Bryant's sister catalog is Roaman's. Some overlap in selection, but I generally buy from both (and to a lesser degree from the other catalogs in the family).
The other online place I like to shop for bras is Breakout Bras. I particularly like their search-by-size (see link) function. I imagine they will ship outside the US and Canada, although the free shipping will not apply. The website actually belongs to a lingerie store in South Carolina, and you can call or email them to see what shipping costs might be.
They have GREAT customer service (they once arranged to change the shipping address at the last minute at no charge, so I could have the bra in time, even though I was not at home), and I have been very happy with them.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I've had good luck with the Hanes catalogue, don't know if they do online.
The only bras I've bought online are Motherhood brand nursing bras, and I don't think you need those. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
That's it. Rivka is teh awesome. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*grin* Rivka shops there -- although mostly at www.jms.com, their plus-size site. Actually have two catalogs in the other room marked and waiting for me to decide whether I'm really ordering. Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
It's too hot in Southeast Asia for bras.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
But when you are a certain size, it is uncomfortable to not wear one.
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
The world is a happier place when some of us wear bras.
OK, boys? Get it? Now leave.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
No.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Hatrack comes through again. Thanks, everyone, and I'm checking out the links as I type. Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
The first two of those three don't seem to allow online ordering.
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
The boys never do leave, do they? Even when it's totally in their best interest.
I was contemplating starting a thread asking for suggestions regarding re-usable menstrual products, but didn't so much want it accessible on a board that my boyfriend frequents. But even with all the warnings I could stick on it, the boys would still read it! Silly boys.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Maybe we can ask Jonathon for a spot on GalCact, or mack for one on MadOwl. A No Boys Allowed section. Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
Oh, like if we had a thread about mustache care or prostate exams, all the Hatrack ladies would primly stay away. Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
Oops. Sorry about that. Not being in the market myself, I confess I didn't look very closely at those sites, aside from double-checking the size ranges. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Men are not the only ones with mustaches.
Your prostates, however, I need know nothing about.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
What makes menstrual products, reusable or otherwise, something of no interest to boys? I predict many of the guys here come in close contact with people regularly using menstrual products, or plan to some day come into such contact, where it would be useful to be acquainted with them.
I'm not easily disgusted, and it always sort of amuses me that we perpetuate these taboos about something being unclean which approximately half the population has undergone/will undergo/is undergoing at regular intervals.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
quote: Oh, like if we had a thread about mustache care or prostate exams, all the Hatrack ladies would primly stay away
I can safely assure that I will do my very best to stay as far away as possible from either one of these topics, should you post it.
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
....
I'm not going to say what I was just going to say. But I thought it!
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
quote: I'm not easily disgusted, and it always sort of amuses me that we perpetuate these taboos about something being unclean which approximately half the population has undergone/will undergo/is undergoing at regular intervals.
You've obviously never had your period. I think unclean is about the nicest thing you can say about it.
Also, what people some people want to be more private about things like this than others, it's your place to decide that for yourself, not for anyone else.
[ April 29, 2005, 01:54 AM: Message edited by: blacwolve ]
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
quote:What makes menstrual products, reusable or otherwise, something of no interest to boys?
Oh, I'm sure they're of interest. I just don't want boys to think of me using them.
Of course, it's too late now.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
*snaps on latex glove*
[ April 29, 2005, 01:55 AM: Message edited by: ketchupqueen ]
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
*shrug*
Unclean in the mental sense, not the physical. Society doesn't act this way about other, much dirtier things.
I've got two sisters and I did ballet for a long time (including being included in many group conversations where I was the only guy), I'm moderately familiar with periods.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Of course people get to decide it for themselves, I'm just saying that the notion guys would or should stay away from discussions about menstrual products seems odd.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Yeah, I played flute for 12 years, I feel ya man, I really do.
I make a reasonable suggestion about this topic, and was about to leave....
Until I was ordered to do so.
[ April 29, 2005, 02:04 AM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
Kwea! I thought I warned you!
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Uh-oh! Now you got her mad!
*ducks*
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
I don't get mad. I get even.
*turns on a little Celine Dion*
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
Oww my ears!
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
Sorry Myr - friendly fire casualty.
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
*giggle* Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Don't make me sing "Do your ears hang low" with the x-rated lyrics, ok?
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
Oh wow.... that's quite creepy because my friends and I would sing that same exact version in high school, as an inside joke Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Re-usable menstrual products - like the cuppy thing? I saw it on the site sending goods to soldiers that Kayla linked to. Never heard of them before - not sure they're popular here.
Fugu, I completely agree with you. While having my period is not my favourite thing in the world (evidenced by habit for skipping them) I *hate* the societal attitudes that surround them.
And don't even get me started on everyday panty-liners marketed at 14 years olds so you can be fresh every day!
*ugh*
I personally have no issue with Tony knowing I menstruate. He buys tampons and pads for me. And nurofen. And sometimes chocolate.
It's just part of being a woman - and its the part of me that means we will be able to have children someday. Nothing icky about that.
Okay, that was a slight derail. Sorry folks. The Lane Bryant site looks pretty good - might have to do some ordering myself.
Edit: oooh! This one! I have been looking for a low cut bra for *ages*.
*twinkle*
Thanks Hatrack!
[ April 29, 2005, 04:10 AM: Message edited by: imogen ]
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
It IS icky. It FEELS icky. I feel bloated, crampy, sometimes unable to get up; backaches, headaches, joint aches; general irritability, a tendancy to burst into tears, and best yet, TONS OF BLOOD, INCLUDING PAINFULLY PASSED CLOTS AND MUCOUS, RUNNING DOWN MY LEG WHENEVER I LAY DOWN AND CURL UP IN THE ONLY POSITION THAT'S AT ALL COMFORTABLE! Which, of course, means I get to clean some more. Goody.
How is that not icky and gross?
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Ok, it's icky in that it feels icky. (Though nurofen and chocolate do help. )
It's not icky in that it's 'unclean' - as in impure, untouchable connetations, unfeminine or unnatural.
It's natural. It's necessary. (Though I did read an interesting SF short story about cyclists and shunts recently... but I digress).
I guess I mean is it isn't taboo, or unmentionable because of its nature. Women shouldn't be embarrassed by it.
I tend to think sometimes that the way society portrays menstruation, the perceived ideal must be for every woman to have moulded plastic, barbie doll style instead.
**
Edit: Your symptoms sound *way* more painful than mine. Have you considered any drugs or anything to help? I know some versions of the pill can regulate heavy periods and cramping.
That does sound horrible, ketchup queen. And I'm not trying to belittle your experiences. Rather just to suggest that menstruation is perfectly natural and normal. And happens to over half the population of the world.
[ April 29, 2005, 04:19 AM: Message edited by: imogen ]
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Awww c'mon guys. If ya wanna (title) flash your headlights, ya gotta expect the bucks to stop and stare.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
quote: Though I did read an interesting SF short story about cyclists and shunts recently... but I digress
I read that story! It sounded good to me! As long as it's not anything like a tampon-- they make my cramps much worse. >_<
I can't take any kind of hormonal bc, even low dose, because of a personal and family history of extreme low blood pressure and a family history of strokes while on hormonal bc.
As for other treatment, I don't have a doctor, health insurance, or money. I have a prescription painkiller, which I love; in conjunction with ibuprofen, it does completely stop the cramps. It's lovely, but I can't take it while nursing, so I have a substitute right now.
The substitute is not as good.
[ April 29, 2005, 04:24 AM: Message edited by: ketchupqueen ]
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
What a bugger of a situation.
I personally think that healthcare related to menstruation should be free. And all related products should be *heavily* rebated by the Government.
But it's not gonna happen.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
It will when I finish biding my time and openly reclaim my place as Queen of the Universe...
Oh. That's a secret plan.
Sorry, now I'm going to have to kill you all.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
And I've taken nearly every form of the pill available, and had the shot (depo-provera), none of which helped me. Even had exploratory surgery to find out what was going on when the ultrasounds were inconclusive. There's nothing physiologically wrong with me except for major hormone imbalances which mean incredibly bad periods. At least this month, I didn't throw up (why don't we have a barfing graemlin?) At least I'm finally in perimenopause, so I'm in the home stretch. It'll finally be over. In a few more years.
On to the original topic, I checked out the links - thanks to all for providing them. I've found a few bulletproof bras that look like they have more than adequate support, but I'm not sure that I want to carry around an extra few pounds in bra. And wouldn't they be hot? Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Cotton bras, even fortresses of cotton bras, can be more breathable than some others, especially if everything you're wearing is cotton. Of course, some people say the opposite. That's my opinion, though, and I'm sticking to it.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Yep, I would prefer a cotton bra. But it's gotta be underwire, too, and that makes it much more difficult.
Sigh.
If only I were flatter. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Quid, have you tried Ultram for the pain? That's my miracle drug. It not only kills the pain (faster, as I said, if I take a couple of Advil liquigels at the same time), it makes me happy while the dose lasts. A very rare state during a period, otherwise.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Cotton underwires are out there. I've found some from Hanes before, although their selection fluctuates wildly.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Ultram? It sounds...mahvellous! I'll have to see if I can find it here. I was happy when I finally figured out what ibuprofen goes by here...
Hanes, eh? Will have to check. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Tramadol is the generic name. I think.
It works on pain receptors like a narcotic, but is not a narcotic, if I understand correctly.
[ April 29, 2005, 04:46 AM: Message edited by: ketchupqueen ]
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Yep, found both, and you're correct about one being the generic name for the other. I'm hunting up info for it now. I have to go get another antibiotic for this damn ear infection that isn't going away, so I'll see if they have this at the same time.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote: Cotton bras, even fortresses of cotton bras, can be more breathable than some others, especially if everything you're wearing is cotton. Of course, some people say the opposite. That's my opinion, though, and I'm sticking to it.
If it's sticking, it's not breathing real well . . .
quid, I detest underwires. In my experience, most of Goddess and Glamorise's lines do a pretty good job of providing support without those nasty dig-in-to-me-all-day wires. I can provide specific model recommendations if you like, but I'm far more limited than you in my selection. I haven't been able to buy bras in a department store -- in the US, mind -- for many a moon.
[ April 29, 2005, 10:53 AM: Message edited by: rivka ]
Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
quote: Yep, I would prefer a cotton bra. But it's gotta be underwire, too, and that makes it much more difficult.
I totally feel your pain, btw, quid. These are cotton/underwire and pretty comfortable, although they didn't have my size when I bought them from LB. (And now they do. Punks.)
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Underwires don't dig into me, but if they're not there, honestly, I tend to fall out. And I find the underwire bras far more comfortable for me.
imenimok - your name is too confusing!!!! Okay, back to topic at hand - that bra looks awfully bulletproof - like kevlar or something. Is it just how it looks on the model, or does it look like that in real life, too?
I had noticed that one, and other than the bulletproofness, it looked like it could do the job rather well.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Note: the Lane Bryant site fiazko just linked to is another, separate site from their catalog site. Why their stores have a separate site, with different merchandise (some overlap) has always puzzled me. Then again, I think they should do as AmeriMark does and make it possible to order from all their catalogs at one site as one combined order.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
imogen, there are other reusable options besides the cups... washable pads, sea-sponge reusable tampons, that sort of thing. I'm not going to go hunting for the links from work, but anyone who's interested should google Luna Pads or... hmmmm... not remembering any other brand names. I'll check the back of my radical feminist magazines when I get home tonight if anyone wants.
Oh! And Wacky Jac sells cotton underware with little pockets in them for reuseable pads. Um, their's is also a site I don't visit from work, and people who prefer their t-shirts without sexual innuendo might not want to visit at all. I'll link straight to the product in question when I get home.
Moon Rags might be another brand name to check out, that sounds right.
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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
What makes that one "bulletproof"? Are you saying you prefer lace to solid fabric?
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
No, it's just the way it looks on that page. Appearances.
Are you saying it's just me? [/paranoia]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
In that I used to have some along the same lines, and they were quite comfortable and never once stopped a bullet . . . maybe.
Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
quote: imenimok - your name is too confusing!!!!
Uhh, sorry?
And I'm not sure what you mean by bulletproof, either. Are you talking about those thick, stand up on their own type bras that make me wonder because why oh why would a DD+ need extra padding? If that's what you mean, then no, they are like they look in the picture. The only issue I have with them, aside from them being the wrong size is the the sides go pretty much all the way up to your armpit. I think the reason this is an issue for me, though, has to do with the size thing that I just won't get into right now. Point is that, other than the very sturdy underwire, the fabric is...limp. Oh, and another thing--I tried a very similar style, but the rim (the seam around the bottom that is usually made out of the scratchiest material possible) is very soft. No scratchy.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Um, should have been more clear. Confusing in that I have to look at your name three times to make sure I spell it correctly. Cuz I'm lame.
I appreciate the warning about the fabric going up to the pits. I can't have that - I'd rip the thing off and never wear it again. I'm fickle that way. No, seriously, some things just annoy me to no end, and that's one of them. Not good about the fabric being limp, either.
Hmm. Back to the drawing board.
Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
Ok, what kind of fabric are you looking for? (And how about Ime or Imen as someone did in another thread?)
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
I don't know why, but Ime or Imen makes me think about Imogen and I don't want to confuse you two.
Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
*sigh* Well, I promise not to get upset if anyone spells it wrong. It's an acronym anyway (sort of), so if the letters get mixed up, I'll likely be amused more than anything.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
You could call her enimok, or eni -- just drop the "I'm." Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
Ooh. I'm ok with imok. Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Yup, and I'm easily confuzzled already. Don't worry, imenemok, I'll figure it out eventually.
I would prefer cotton, and definitely underwire. Do NOT need extra padding - I'm large enough as it is. Can't stand the fabric bunching up around the pits.
Um, what else do you need to know?
Oh, lace vs. solid fabric doesn't matter, I don't think. I'm not sure that I've ever had a solid fabric bra before. Hmm. Wait, I think I did, and it was a cotton one, and I liked it, so yes, that would be fine. As long as it's not a stand-on-your-own-and-keep-it's-shape type of conehead thing.
Sigh.
I'm pathetic. Really, I do know this. Honest. Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Either I type too slow (at 80wpm????) or there's some kind of time flux thing happening.
I'm cool with imok - although it'll remind me of certain short, fuzzy, furry Star Wars creatures. Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
Ok, it doesn't bunch in the pits. It just extends all the way up. I guess it might depend on where you wear the back. Does that make sense? With the particular size I got, I can't wear them as low as I'd like to. Maybe with the proper size, that wouldn't be an issue. I want to get one in my size, but the website isn't working right for me.
Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
I am one of the few Star Wars OT fans that doesn't hate the Ewoks (apparently), so that's fine.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Yeah, I didn't explain myself well enough. Even if it's not actually bunching at the pits, the fact that it goes that high will feel like it's bunching at the pits to me. I can't stand tight or restrictive, generally speaking, because my skin is sensitive to textures and such. Anything at the pits would drive me nuts.
Ewok it is, then. Posted by Lucky4 (Member # 1420) on :
But, if it doesn't "stand on its own", how does it have enough coverage for...colder moments?
Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
Should I just make is easy on everyone and change my name to Wicket? (Actually that's way too close to my real last name.)
Anyway, it's a bummer that you can't try stuff on. I have found out way too many times that what looks comfortable most certainly is not, but then, I don't believe that women in our situation are every really comfortable.
Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
Lucky: Band-aids. J/K. For me, I'd rather take that risk than add another second to the gap between when my boobs enter a room and when I do.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Lucky, think about who's doing the shopping. Think about where she lives. Think about all those other threads where she complained about being so hot she was constantly sweating. Think about the last time she's seen snow or even anything below 25 Celsius. Then think about the places she's talked about visiting lately - places like Dubai, where it heats up to well over 100 F (I've heard 120-140 - not sure how realistic those numbers are), or Thailand, or Singapore - places that are hot hot hot. Now, does she really need to worry about colder moments?
[/snarky]
Nah, don't need to worry about that stuff. What I do need, however, is breathability. Ventilation. Comfort. And definitely NOT padding. Please, no padding. Honestly.
Imenemok - naw, stick with this one. It's cool, and I'll get used to it. Don't worry about it so much. Oh, and welcome to Hatrack btw! Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
quote:add another second to the gap between when my boobs enter a room and when I do.
Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
quote: Imenemok - naw, stick with this one. It's cool, and I'll get used to it.
So I probably shouldn't point out that I'm not really new; I'm just dodging my landmark and will eventually go back to my original name. Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
@#@!! And I'm probably the last to know, to boot, seeing how slow I am and all. No, you shouldn't have pointed that out.
I think I'll go hang myself by a bra strap or something.
Or you could tell me who you are. Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
Actually, rivka outed me several posts ago, but I'm fiazko.
Posted by Lucky4 (Member # 1420) on :
quidscribis, I apologize for the climate-insensitive comment, it wasn't intended to be directed at you personally. Just wondering about general consensus on choosing the lesser of those two evils.
imok, Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Imok - like I said, I'm slow.
Lucky - yeah, no problem. Um, even when I lived in colder climates, I gotta be honest with you - I never relied on my bra for the extra insulating factor. But then, considering that bras hold how many extra pounds of essentially mammary glands surrounded by fatty tissue, which is insulating in and of itself, how much additional insulation does it need? Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I didn't realize at the time that I was outing you.
Hmm, in this thread, if I've outed you, ought I be offering you a cover-up?
Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
quote:and never once stopped a bullet
Wow. My condolences on the ones that got through.
See, my bra problem is the inverse of yours, I think. I wear a size just enough on a weird border to not be in any stores (40C) but I absolutely have to have a molded cup with enough padding to make it totally smooth. Everything above a 36 tends to be those saggy lace bags and I really can't deal with those. In fact, I'd be pleased with a nice metal bustier if one were in my price range.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
I generally don't worry about if I'm showing or not, because when I am even thick bras can't stop it and I think padded bras are stupid. And uncomfortable.
I did, however, once highly amuse a male friend while we were at lunch... we passed two guys going the other way and one of them kinda elbowed his friend and made a comment about the temperature, while very obviously looking at me. I glanced down and said "But I'm not even showing!" or something along those lines. My friend felt the need to apologize for his gender, but still laughed at me.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!!
You know how I earlier - at least twice, I think - mentioned that I'm really slow?
Well, yeah, I'm really really really slow.
I think I oughta just beat this insomnia into submission and go to bed before I make myself look even slower than I have already!!!!!
Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
If it makes you feel any better, quid, I had to backtrack to figure out why you were so upset. It'll be ok.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Yeah. After my brain transplant comes through. Sheesh. Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
I've got plenty of good ones around here that aren't getting much use. (I work in a hospital.)
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
The only connection I'm coming up with between the beginning and end of that post is that you take them from patients who don't need them any more . . .
Posted by Lucky4 (Member # 1420) on :
See, while a more protective (not padded, just protective) bra may not fully eradicate the "showing" problem, it ameliorates it enough to make it worth the loss of breathability. For me, anyway.
[ April 29, 2005, 12:32 PM: Message edited by: Lucky4 ]
Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
rivka, I was actually talking about medical staff who are either way too full of themselves to have any room left for basic social functions or who can't take the time to actually fill things out so that we can bill patients for our services. And the list goes on.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*lightbulb* Oh, you were talking about brains!
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
Ha ha ha!
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
I told my sister the other day that she obviously has high hopes for my breasts. Along with some maternity clothes, she sent down some of her nursing bras. I'm normally a C, and expect to *maybe* hit a D at times while I'm nursing. The bras she sent were a size E. Maybe I can stuff 'em with socks.
space opera
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
My only contribution, as a guy who has been married to a bountiful lady for many years, is that if you find a bra you like buy a lot of them. Buy one or two a month, if you need to budget for it. Stock up, because they will very likely go away.
Bra companies delight in dropping lines and sizes that fit my wife. She swears she can hear them cackling to themselves over it.
[ April 29, 2005, 12:41 PM: Message edited by: Chris Bridges ]
Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
*gasp*
rivka, I didn't even make that connection. Who's slow now?
Posted by Gryphonesse (Member # 6651) on :
Quid - if you don't mind me asking, what size are you? I've had to buy specialty bras for YEARS. I'm currently a 36HH. Yes, HH. That's not a typo. I'm 5'2", and my chest measurement is 54" if you run the tape measure all the way around my boobs. I am actually scheduled for breast reduction surgery on June 22nd, and I CANNOT WAIT.... I've been trying for years and I've finally been approved. I guess once you reach "circus freak" status they think that maybe you're not making it up. I have several websites that are good sources, but if you get much bigger than a DDD, you're not going to find anything really *sexy*. Comfort and avoiding the uni-boob are just about all you can hope for... I haven't been able to wear a "sexy" bra since sometime around 1991-1992.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
See, Lucky, even the molded, smooth "t-shirt" type bras don't make all that much difference for me. So I mostly just don't care.
And I still don't know what quids was freaking about. Posted by Lucky4 (Member # 1420) on :
Good point, Eljay. It's probably psychological support at best. Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
I have to admit, the entire discussion has been fascinating.
-Trevor
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Gryph - 38DDD. It's not so bad. It's actually manageable. When I was a 32DDD, well, that was impossible.
And yeah, I know I should be sleeping. Insomnia. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I have a friend who is a 34 I. She has to have her bras altered by a seamstress (still cheaper than custom).
Posted by romanylass (Member # 6306) on :
Glad Rags has great re-usable pads. I actually make my own from old cloth diapers with a layer of fleece on the back to prevent leakage. Sew on some snaps and...viola! I haven't bought menstrual products in over 10 years.
I am wearing a Decent Exposures bra right now. It's very comfy, and the organic cotton is very breathable. I know they're not underwire, quid, but they have better support than you'd think.
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
I also like the smooth "t-shirt" bras, that have some padding in them. But...they crinkle in the wash! I don't want dimpled boobs! I haven't been able to find any with padding that don't crinkle, so I have to get ones with thinner/flexible padding. Does anyone know of a brand that doesn't do this? Preferably with underwires?
[ April 29, 2005, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: Eruve Nandiriel ]
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
Eruve - I like the regular One Fabulous Fit bras from Maidenform. There are about a million incarnations (t-back, with lace, etc.) that I've not tried, but the regular one has enough padding to be comfy (and prevent headlighting) and doesn't get weird or bunchy when washed.
I suppose I need to go bra shopping somewhere swanky where they can measure me and tell me what size I should be wearing (and then sell me the right sized bra for a million dollars). When trying to measure myself the way most places tell you to, I get an absurd and impossible size. I guess I just need to start trying on more bra sizes and see if I can find the proper one. At the moment, I end up wearing a 38B with a bra extender on the biggest setting, and even then, it's not quite right. *sigh*
[ April 29, 2005, 05:21 PM: Message edited by: ludosti ]
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
Thanks ludosti, I'll have to try those.
quote: I suppose I need to go bra shopping somewhere swanky where they can measure me and tell me what size I should be wearing (and then sell me the right sized bra for a million dollars).
I don't have the guts to walk in some place like Victoria's Secret. I rationalise it by telling myself that they're way overpriced anyway.
[ April 29, 2005, 08:32 PM: Message edited by: Eruve Nandiriel ]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
If you're going some place to get properly fitted, I would not go with a chain. In my experience, small stand-alone lingerie stores gives far better service -- and are far more discreet. YMMV.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
And if you go to the Wizard of Bras, you get a free groping by the old lady. Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Just before I left Canada, I went to one of those places that do the bra fittings - a stand alone, not chain. Even they couldn't get the bra to fit right. I do a better job on my own. Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
I *hate* padded bras.
I would much prefer a little nipple-age than the discomfort of more layers.
Plus the padded cups are always a wacky shape that I am most definately not.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
From the testimonials on the Decent Exposure site:
quote: This is the first time in what seems like forever that I have a bra that's comfortable. 28H
28H?!
Oy.
Posted by romanylass (Member # 6306) on :
I was looking at the bras at Fred Meyer tonight, and they had the size "Nearly A". Abbreviated NA. I was thinking, "NA sounds about right".
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Just to pitch in once again, they run bra fitting clinics at our JCPenney every couple of months. They say that almost 50% of women wear the wrong size bra in the USA, but never even know it.
Kwea
[ April 29, 2005, 11:14 PM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
About the menstrual products, since I brought it up anyway:
Why does one website sell both The Keeper and The Diva Cup? Is there a difference? Is one better? Does anyone like them?
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
That Decent Exposure site looks awesome! Wow! And quid, they have a "dri-release" fabric.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
I noticed that, kq, and that's very appealing. But no underwire, and it doesn't appear to have very good support, which I definitely need.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I can't post what JenniK is here, it isn't my place....
But I know that she has had the same problems you ahve mentioned here, only worse.
She is larger, I believe, and that is why she bought like 6 bras at LB last time we were there....."just in case". Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
quote:Bangkok - There's an old adage that size doesn't matter. Well, that is not always the case, especially if you happen to be an expatriate woman living in Thailand.
Apart from older foreign men running off with young Thai women, there can hardly be anything that arouses the passion of expatriate women in Bangkok more than the issue of brassieres - or the bra as it is more commonly known.
So what's the fuss? Thai women are just that much smaller in certain respects, and the local market does not cater to the thousands of expatriate women resident in this metropolis, who happen to be bigger.
Even a lady of minor proportions, say from Germany, can suddenly find herself going from a 36A to a 38C in the course a 12-hour flight from Frankfurt to Bangkok. Flattering you might say, but for the woman entering one of Bangkok's many department stores it is not a pleasant experience being told by one of the many smiling Thai shop assistants, "No. No. Tua yai" - "No. No. Big body." It can, in some cases, be soul destroying.
quote: Bonnie Meyer, a teacher from Pretoria, said, "It's not possible to get a bra here that fits. Women with big breasts just do not exist in this country."
Ironically, Thailand manufactures enormous quantities of ladies underwear, but it is aimed at the Asian market only.
This really shouldn't surprise me.
I've tried finding similar info on Singapore, but haven't been able to locate any commentary either way.
However, in the search for similar info on Sri Lanka, I found this:
quote: The Jathika Hela Urumaya wants to close down garment industries and also bring back all women in the Middle East. Please go to the newspaper and read it in full. Quoted below is the most relevant part.They [Jathika Hela Urumaya] are also against the lucrative garment factories which employ more than 350,000 people, mainly women. We don't want this country to be a tailoring shop for the world," Buddhist monk Athuraliya Ratana said at Horana. However, Horana is home to a Bodyline brassiere factory which has turned out 21 million T-shirt bras for Victoria's Secret in the last five years.
In theory, you'd think I'd be able to find some of these bras here. Now I want to know if they have a factory outlet, or if they sell any of the products locally.
Oh wait. But Victoria's Secret is limited in the larger sizes. It's probably a bust anyway. Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
A bust.
ha ha
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
I'm happy to be a male that needs no bras...
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
I need a bra.
Well, more precisely, I need a girlfriend to fill a bra for me.
-Trevor
Posted by theamazeeaz (Member # 6970) on :
quote: About the menstrual products, since I brought it up anyway:
Why does one website sell both The Keeper and The Diva Cup? Is there a difference? Is one better? Does anyone like them?
Dunno. The sites say The Keeper is latex, while the Diva Cup is silicone. I guess if you are allergic to latex, the Keeper is NOT the way to go. To be honest, I'd been wondering about products like this, so I'm glad it came up. As to whether they're worth it, ask me in month or so. Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
And I'm allergic to silicone, so that means the Diva Cup is out for me. Thanks for the info.
Tomorrow, after I pick up my new passport from the Canadian High Commission, I'm heading to a few clothing shops here who may, or may not, have bras in my size. I want to give it one more try before I opt for the expensive method of mail order from the US.
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
Wow, after reading this thread, I am not allowed to ever complain about bra sizes ever again O_o
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
FYI: Lane Bryant is currently having an "intimates" sale. $2 off each of 2 or 3 items; $3 off each if you get four.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
So*, I went to Odel's today to see about bras. The largest size they thought they had? A 38DD. The largest size they had, in reality? A 36C.
Not even a hope. Not even.
Next week: House of Fashion and Irena's, the last two chances.
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
Good luck!
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
Great, I need to find a strapless push-up bra by this Friday, where can I get one other than Victoria's? I went to Walmart yesterday, but I didn't like what I saw.
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
quote:And if you go to the Wizard of Bras, you get a free groping by the old lady.
You know, if being groped by an old lady would get me a good-fitting bra, I'd do it in a heartbeat....
Posted by romanylass (Member # 6306) on :
Alt, I got my strapless push-up at "the store formerly known as The Bon Marche, briefly known as Bon-Macy's, and now just known as Macy's".
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
Wasn't that a sad transformation, Romany? I was at my friendly neighborhood Bon this weekend, former home of the Snobby Bolivian Saleswoman. Instead of her comforting haughty smile, I got a happy lady with too much lipstick who answered the phone with "Thank you for calling Macy's! How can I provide you with excellent service?"
It's a sad era. Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
I can't believe I haven't updated here with that House of Fashion horror story. It was the week after that post up there, and we went and looked at bras. They had a few bras that were possibly in my size - spent half an hour fishing through the bras - and the possibles were all extremely flimsy lace that would probably get holes the first time they were worn. Still, I was willing to try out of desperation.
They had a sign up saying no refunds on bras and panties. Panties I understand, but bras? Whatever. So I ask the salesman (man, yes. No women working in the ladies lingerie section, go figure) for a change room and he said there wasn't one. I need to know if these will fit, I say. He says, "don't you know your size?" Uh, yeah, but they vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, and even within a manufacturer with different lines. There is no such thing as standardized sizing. They must be tried on to see if they fit. He says, "no, no fitting room. You can try it on here." What, in the store? In front of all these people? You want me to get naked? And he pretty much says nothing at that point, and I throw them down in a fit of disgust. I'm not buying something that I can't verify will fit and have no way to return. This should not be a crapshoot and the customer should not be forced to foot the bill for products that cannot be determined to be suitable.
I also went to the Triumph store - Triumph being a brand of bras. It's the manufacturer's outlet. I asked for underwire bras in my size, and I was told that underwire bras don't come in anything over a C cup and over a 36 band size. Why not, I asked. Because larger breasts don't need the underwire, the manager responded.
>_<
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
And now for part deux. I was getting weird error messages trying to post the whole thing, so broke it up to see if it would work.
Since then, I've kept looking. I've had many discussions with other women, and the general consensus is that all bras in this country - other than Odel's (which, let's face it, is an upscale store targeting foreigners and the rich) and House of Fashion, and the Triumph store, there are no other sources of underwire bras available for sale for the local women. Local women, including my mil, do not understand the value of underwire. Why would they when they've never felt or seen the difference?
So. My sister came for a visit, and at my request, came bearing bra patterns. One for underwire bras, one without underwires. I know which I prefer to make, but it's nice to have options in the event I need 'em. So now, with patterns, it became time to enlist the mil.
This morning, we went shopping to Maharagama, a village close by which has an abundance of stores carrying fabrics of all kinds, notions shops (zippers, serger thread, buttons, lace...), and that sort of thing. There are even custom bra makers in shops here (not that we found them). We even found one shop that carried a huge stock of those foam bra cup thingies. Not in my size, of course, but still... It's looking hopeful.
I get my bra strap elastic, the elastic for the bottom of the bra, the power net, the hooks and eyes... In short, I get everything I need to make 4 bras (or more - I'll see once I cut everything out) for around $6. Everything, that is, except the underwires.
Which no one has a clue where they can be found.
Time to either consult more women or order from overseas.
At least I'm now down to one item rather than, well, everything. Posted by Dead_Horse (Member # 3027) on :
How about cannibalizing your old bras for underwires? (also hooks, eyes, sliders, etc.)
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Yeah, thought of that... Problem is that the old bra has underwires in the wrong diameter (I lost weight and the boobs shrunk ). Hooks and eyes rust here, so they tend to need replacing before the bra is worn out - I have two bras that still fit but needs them replaced, and now that I have replacements, will do that today or tomorrow. Don't need the rings and sliders since I'm fitting the bra to *my* body, and so the straps will be sewn for my personal fit.
Now then, another thought had occurred to me last night about the underwires... Labour is cheap here. I might be able to go to a metal working shop and have them make me underwires. Probably cheaper than what I've found on the internet - cheapest is $1.65 per pair in my size plus shipping. I need to get Fahim to ask his mom what she thinks - she knows pretty much everything. Posted by MandyM (Member # 8375) on :
I would go ahead and put in sliders since in my experience, the elastic stretches over time and you may need to do them up occasionally. I guess if you are that good at sewing, you could just fix them though. Silly me. I wish I were good enough at sewing to make real stuff. I just canibalize my daughter's jeans.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
*laughs* I hear ya.
The bra elastic I found is the really really really really good bra elastic, which surprised the heck out of me. It's the exact same elastic as what was on my $135 bra that I've worn for 3 1/2 years, and that elastic hasn't stretched a bit. Yeah, not worried. But like you say, if it becomes a problem, I'll just take it apart and re-sew.
You know, you could take a class in sewing. It's not that hard once it's demystified. Posted by MandyM (Member # 8375) on :
I told my husband that was what I wanted for Christmas. Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
Wow! I'm impressed that you're going to sew your own bras. I can't in a million years imagine doing that myself.
I am happy that I found some new bras (I've apparently changed size, but to one that I can actually find in stores!)that aren't insanely expensive. The JCPennys here carries a series of bras that fit me really well that are 2/$25 regular price. O_o So, I'm stocking up. Posted by sweetbaboo (Member # 8845) on :
I was supposed to go with a friend to Victoria Secret tonight, she swears by the seamless bra (I don't remember if I got the name correct) and since I always complain about having large breasts, she wanted to come for moral support/to make me go.
I'm too chicken. I cancelled. I feel very uncomfortable with the whole "fitting". I know that I should get it done/I kind of want to but I'm really freaked out about it.
Can someone tell me what exactly that entails? Do I get to keep my shirt on? Am I being measured? Is some stranger in the changing room with me?
[Edit: I confess that I haven't read this whole thread, but if it's been addressed, I would appreciate it if someone could tell me which page...)
(Sorry for changing the subject of your sewing project of necessity quid...kudos to you for even being able to attempt that!)
[ October 12, 2006, 07:11 PM: Message edited by: sweetbaboo ]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by sweetbaboo: Do I get to keep my shirt on? Am I being measured? Is some stranger in the changing room with me?
I'm not big on people I don't know real well touching me (especially relatively intimately), and I have always been fine when I had bras fit. To answer your questions in order:
You can, but they'll be able to get a much better fit if you don't. Yes. Some experienced fitters can do a really good job by eyeballing, but most measure just to be sure. Well, not while you're actually donning the bra, but given my suggestion for your first question, wouldn't you rather it be inside a changing room? Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Thread drift, sweetbaboo, it happens all the time.
Be prepared to get naked in front of the fitter, and be prepared for her to give you bras to put on and have her examine how they look on you. Yep, you'll have a stranger in the changeroom with you. You're going to be about as naked as you expect.
I've been reading up on bramaking for a while, doing my research, and from what I can tell, from what others who've gone before me say, if you have basic sewing skills, it can be done. I have more than that, so... The first bra will likely take two or three hours to sew, and after that, the time taken will halve. It's all just straight stitches and zig zag stitches, nothing really that complicated. I've got the pattern, and there isn't that much to it. Okay, you've got to have precision, especially for sewing the underwire channeling, but it's really not complicated at all.
I'll tell you if that's true after I actually do it. Posted by sweetbaboo (Member # 8845) on :
So rivka, do you just walk in and ask to be fitted for a bra...it feels so soliticous in nature (is that even a word?). Ack!
(My husband thinks it is hilarious that I'm so uncomfortable with being fitted for a bra since I've had 3 children...maybe they could give me some drugs to cope with the discomfort?)
Edit: Spelling. duh!
[ October 12, 2006, 09:51 PM: Message edited by: sweetbaboo ]
Posted by sweetbaboo (Member # 8845) on :
I can sew straight and zig zag....ponders for a minute, nah! I'll buck up.
Thanks to you both for the info..I don't feel any more brave though.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
quid, I didn't have to get naked to be sized. In fact, the fitters can usually give me opinions on the fit of the bra through my shirt.
The VS seamless bra is nice, but the materieal is REALLY REALLY warm, and it also stretches a bit. The Secret Embrace, I think it's called.
I need to pick up another couple of bras...
-pH
Posted by sweetbaboo (Member # 8845) on :
pH
You just made my day. I think I'll just wear a tight shirt layered underneath something and hope for the best?? I could do THAT.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by sweetbaboo: So rivka, do you just walk in and ask to be fitted for a bra...
Sure. Or, you can just walk into the bra place looking awkward. And when they ask if you'd like help, admit you're not sure what size you need.
Actually, IME, even when you tell them what size you want, unless they think you're right on target, they'll suggest a fitting. Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
quote:Originally posted by sweetbaboo: pH
You just made my day. I think I'll just wear a tight shirt layered underneath something and hope for the best?? I could do THAT.
Yeah, I usually just either wear a close-fitting tank top under a jacket or a small-ish tshirt. It only took them about 15 seconds to do the actual measuring (at VS), and then they asked me what kind of bra I was looking for, and they brought me about ten different ones to try.
-pH
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
I've had issues being fitted at VS because they don't have any sizes over DD, and not lots of that, they'll just tell you those.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Oh, and I've had professional fittings, and the more recent one was completely wrong. The lady put me into a bra with a too-big band and a too-small cup. So, um, you know, they don't always know what they're doing. Luckily, I know what it's supposed to fit like...
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
quote:(My husband thinks it is hilarious that I'm so uncomfotable with being fitted for a bra since I've had 3 children...maybe they could give me some drugs to cope with the discomfort?)
The only reason childbirth isn't more embarrassing is because you're in pain and you'll do whatever it takes to get it over with.
Maybe if they gave you drugs that caused you pain that would only go away with the proper-fitting bra ... that would help.
[ October 12, 2006, 10:21 PM: Message edited by: JennaDean ]
Posted by sweetbaboo (Member # 8845) on :
Ya JennaDean, that would be helpful as long as they carried the proper size
The spelling in that post you quoted is offending my eye...sorry for blinding you with it. It's corrected in the original (I hope).
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
quote: Maybe if they gave you drugs that caused you pain that would only go away with the proper-fitting bra ... that would help.
They have those. They're called large breasts.
And the pain really does go away with a properly fitted bra.
Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :
Spelling? What spelling? Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
quid, I was looking for something else entirely and came across a page with info on sweing bras. Here are two links from it--sounds like you totally know what you are doing already, and have probably read similar if not the same info, but thought I'd pass it along just in case:
Underwire and Bra FAQs (not formatted nicely and a lot extraneous stuff, but looks like lots of detailed info)
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Uprooted, I've come across both of those before and read them - fantastic information in both. Thanks for reminding me to re-read them - I'll probably learn a bunch of stuff all over again.
And, no, I don't know what I'm doing already. I'm just willing to go ahead and do it anyway. Posted by Uprooted (Member # 8353) on :
ummm, thank you for your restraint in not asking what "sweing bras" are! Posted by sweetbaboo (Member # 8845) on :
I think sweing bras must be very uncomfotable.
Posted by sweetbaboo (Member # 8845) on :
Went to Victoria's Secret tonight and was fitted for a bra...with my shirt on (tight with the layered) and it worked fine. I was happy/a little surprised to find out that I've been purchasing the correct size of bras over the years!
Thank you for your encouragement and help.
I LIVED!!! and I have two new bras. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
So*, I am, if nothing else, the queen of procrastination. I have not yet sewed my own bra. I have not located underwires, nor have I had any made.
Within the last month, my last two underwire bras have decided to die.
One, which had a great fit - perfect fit, even - used the wrong fabric for the construction. Too stretchy, so not enough support. Well, the lace is giving way and, well, it's just not worth attempting to fix.
However, because the actual fit is perfect, I can take it apart and use it for a pattern. Then I really will have a perfectly fitting bra. And the underwires in that one are still intact, so I'm going to use them in making another bra.
My second bra... The fit wasn't as good, but what the hay, it was fairly close. But then, three days ago, one underwire snapped. Then today, the other one went. >_<
I'm now desperate.
I did manage to find one non-underwire bra that fits reasonably enough that I bought it - and that's a whole other story, in and of itself - although it's not comfortable and doesn't have the support I want, and it tends to make my boobs into sausages. Still, it'll do me for now.
So, I found a few places online that willsellunderwires and ship 'em out. So, that's what I'm going to do. Sometime in the next couple of days. I just have to figure out the proper underwire size first. But luckily, one of the sites had a printable page that I could use to compare to my existing underwire to find out its size. Only I've lost that page, so I'll have to hunt it down again. :grr:
So*. That's where it stands. Or droops. As the case may be. Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
How long will it take to get the stuff you need shipped to Sri Lanka?
(you could always, ya know, stand on your head in the meantime!) Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Yeah, lovely imagery there, Farmgirl.
I dunno. A week or two?
I'll have to order channelling for the underwire, too. As I'm taking this bra apart (I need to photograph it - my memory being as lousy as it is - so I can make sure I construct the new one in the proper sequence with the proper details) I've discovered that the channelling is multilayered. It's also why the underwire in this bra never poked through, which has in other bras with cheaper channelling. I want to get me the good stuff.
I also discovered that I may not be able to recycle these underwires after all. Inside the channelling, holding the underwire in place (another reason it never poked through, I'm guessing), was some black sticky stuff. I'm really really really not sure what it is. The other bra I disassembled didn't have it. I'm wondering if the underwire was glued into the channelling before the channelling was sewn into place or something like that. Or, yeah, I dunno.
Anyway, what I need should be a fairly small package, light enough and small enough that it should (hopefully) land here direct without going through customs.
Meanwhile, I can still get everything else ready and maybe make a bra or two using the cups from this soon-to-be-disassembled bra and the the non-underwire bra pattern that my sister brought me.
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The website actually belongs to a lingerie store in South Carolina, and you can call or email them to see what shipping costs might be. ![[Kiss]](graemlins/kiss.gif)
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One for underwire bras, one without underwires. I know which I prefer to make, but it's nice to have options in the event I need 'em. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)