I'm moving to Utah this summer and I was wondering if anyone who lived there or has visited there knows anything about it
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Well, I won't be visiting you. I have Utah-phobia, sorry.
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
I would hope that people who live there know something about it...
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
I, also, would hope that. What is there to fear about Utah though? It seems to be mildly dull.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
And by mildly, I just mean dull.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I fear moving there-- or getting stuck there somehow-- and turning into a Utah Mormon. (Not a Mormon who lives in Utah-- that's a different creature. Utah Mormons are a distinct breed and much feared by, well, me.)
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
...would you like to know more?
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
I've seen Utah Mormons, they are nice, eerily nice.
Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
Utah is a fantastic, amazing place. Or, as a former state PR campaign put it, Utah is a pretty, great state. I love practically everything about it except the politics.
The only part of the state that isn't great is Utah County. Stay away from there. Every time I am forced to pass through, I do it as quickly as possible. Just crossing the county line gives me shivers.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
Oh, and I would like to know more
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
What's wrong with Utah county?
Posted by Susie Derkins (Member # 7718) on :
Why are you moving, Johnathan? School? If so, where will you be studying? Also - do you like jello salads?
Posted by unicornwhisperer (Member # 294) on :
I miss Utah a lot!
I moved to Washington from Utah in May.
*big sad sigh*
The mountains are gorgeous and I always thought the (not too much) rain was a good bonus. Oh! The people are wonderful BTW.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
No not school, I'm still a minor, and therefore I still live with my parents, mainly I'm moving there because my father is insane, and can't stand to stay in one place to long.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
I'm moving to Park City (in the mountains) so there will be plenty of precipitation.
Posted by Susie Derkins (Member # 7718) on :
Salt Lake is cool and has lots to do. The rest of the state is basically a suburb.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
What's a jello salad?
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
No, no, JK. If you liked them, they were Mormons from Utah, not Utah Mormons.
That, or you have the potential to become one of them. Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
<-- Utah County resident.
To me, the Utah and Salt Lake valleys are horribly crowded. But most people mock me when I say that.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
I've actually never been to Salt Lake, I've only seen Park City
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
Could they convert a jew?
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
me being jewish of course.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
it might have sounded weird otherwise.
Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
Not if you don't want to be converted.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
I'm really not in the mood for a change of religions. Not that I've got anything against the Mormon religion.
Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
Port, I was joking about Utah County.
Mostly.
Well, not about the shivers. Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Whether or not you can enjoy being around Utah Mormons is entirely up to you.
I've lived in Utah several years now, and I rather like it here. I didn't think I would, honestly. I certainly don't feel like a "Utah Mormon" though.
*gasp* could I have become one without noticing? Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
You shouldn't be in much danger in Park City. It's the most liberal, and one of the least Mormon, areas of the state. In fact, the favorite pastime in Park City (outside of ski season) is grumbling about the way the Mormons run the rest of the state.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
I have never met an unfreindly mormon, or at least i have never met an unfriendly person that claims to be a mormon.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:To me, the Utah and Salt Lake valleys are horribly crowded. But most people mock me when I say that.
Salt Lake Valley never seemed that bad to me, but Utah Valley is definitely crowded; it's just not enough room for two colleges and all those big families. I bet you didn't know that the Provo-Orem area is one of the ten densest metro areas in the nation.
Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
quote:I have never met an unfreindly mormon, or at least i have never met an unfriendly person that claims to be a mormon.
I sure have.
[ April 04, 2005, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: Portabello ]
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
I think I'm going to like it in Park City. But it's a big change, moving from Maryland, a largely liberal state, to Utah a largely conservative state. not that i've got anything against republicans.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Non-Utah-Mormons always give Utah-Mormons a hard time. Part of the effect of being in an insular group, you develop weird ideas about the world around you. Some people are very bothered by that. Some not so much. I really do think Utah-Mormons are on average wonderful people--if a wee bit ignorant of the outside world and the perspectives of people who think differently than them.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
hey, that was the first time i've ever been quoted, i feel so honored.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
beverly, that was probably the most insightful post i have ever seen.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Well thank-ya kind sir! Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
not a problem.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
Anything anyone wants to post would be fine by me.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
Oh well, I guess this topic is dead, but it did have a nice run while it lasted.
Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
Great things about Utah:
The mountains The friendly people The Utah Jazz The University of Utah The Utes The national parks, forest, monuments, etc. The archeology/paleontology The variety of the landscape (practically everything except ocean and tropical) The cultural events (can't touch the biggest American cities, but fantastic for the size of the population) The wildlife Nielsen's Frozen Custard The mountains
[ April 04, 2005, 08:26 PM: Message edited by: UofUlawguy ]
Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
I can see a grocery store from my front porch, if I look over the orchard.
That's probably not very helpful to you. Why don't you ask specific questions?
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
There's jazz in Utah?
Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
Well, there was. But then Stockton retired and Malone left for the Lakers. . .
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
Portabello, i'm trying to find out general information but please be a bit more specific then that
Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
Utah Jazz is the local basketball team. I guess it's cool, if you're into that.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
oh, i get it.
Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
More specific than that there's an orchard across the street from me? How specific do you want it? GPS coordinates?
Posted by unicornwhisperer (Member # 294) on :
Three Words
Zion's National Park
My Number 1 place to camp!
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
What i want most, is more of that delicious sarcasm. Tell me about that orchard.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote: Could they convert a jew?
I managed to escape. Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
We get lots of mice because of it, but during the winter, we also get a lot of deer, which is neat.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
do you live in Utah?
Posted by mothertree (Member # 4999) on :
Park city is actually very liberal- it considers itself an oasis of sanity in Utah. I'm Mormon and have been living in Utah for half my life. I was born in MD and grew up in VA. Geographically, Utah is fabulous. Culturally, it's not bad considering it only has 2 million people.
Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
Who are you asking?
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
Deer are neat. They're so big, and yet there still wild.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
I was asking rivka
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:I managed to escape.
I'll get you next time! *shakes fist*
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
Mothertree, that's a coincidence, until mid-summer i live in maryland, I have lived there all my life.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
jon boy, are you a utah-mormon?
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
By the way, it saddens me that nobody commented on the "ten densest" thing. Shame on all of you.
Jonathan: Depends on your definition of "Utah Mormon." Many people use that phrase to mean "hypocrite Mormon," "nice-on-the-outside-but-judgmental-on-the-inside Mormon," "lives-in-a-bubble Mormon," or something similar. Unfortunately, there are a lot of negative stereotypes about Mormons who live in Utah. And more unfortunately, some of them are true.
But yes, I'm a Mormon who lives in Utah.
[ April 04, 2005, 08:42 PM: Message edited by: Jon Boy ]
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
The mountains really are fantastic. Because Utah is a desert and derives its water-source from the mountains, most of the "civilization" is located at the foot of them. They are enormous and tower over you in most of the main living areas. We live at the mouth of a canyon. Just a minute's drive and we are in the mountains.
Even though it is a desert, the canyons and north faces of the mountains are often in shadow and thus aren't scorched by the sun. Those areas are lush and great for beautiful, soul-feeding camping.
This area is also very child-oriented since Mormons tend to have large families. It is a great place to raise a young family. Utah is also taylored to the needs and interests of its highly Mormon population. Mormons tend to stay away from alcohol, tobacco, and extra-marital sex. Some find this makes Utah "boring". Some like the atmosphere because of it.
So a lot of it depends on you and what you value.
Oh, and after having rivka come visit us, we learned that Utah suffers from a dearth of "kosher" restaurants. This seems to say to me that the Jew population is scarce. So if you are single and hoping to match up with a girl of your faith, you might not have the best selection.
Mormons, on the other hand, come from all over the country to attend the Brigham Young University (privately owned by the Mormon church). One oft mocked reason--to find a mate.
[ April 04, 2005, 08:44 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
what is the "ten densest" thing?
Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
quote:I bet you didn't know that the Provo-Orem area is one of the ten densest metro areas in the nation.
I had no idea.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
The Provo-Orem area is one of the ten densest metro areas in the nation (in terms of people per square mile). I was hoping someone would notice the subtle double entendre and make a joke about mental density. But alas! No one did.
[ April 04, 2005, 08:47 PM: Message edited by: Jon Boy ]
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
we all must be a little dense, then
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote: Oh, and after having rivka come visit us, we learned that Utah suffers from a dearth of "kosher" restaurants. This seems to say to me that the Jew population is scarce. So if you are single and hoping to match up with a girl of your faith, you might not have the best selection.
Actually, not really, bev. Scarce on Orthodox Jews, yes. But there seem to be a fair number of non-Orthodox.
JK, I live in Los Angeles. But I visited SLC for a weekend in early January.
Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
Oh, I got it. I just ignored it. Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:I'm moving to Park City (in the mountains) so there will be plenty of precipitation.
Annual precipitation in Park City is 15 inches/year. Even at 7000 feet in Utah, you are in the desert.
Also, Park City is noted as a party town, so you should be able escape boredom from time to time.
It is home to the Sundance Film Festival, World Cup Skiing, and the Junior National Road Cycling Championships to name only a few event. There is plenty of skiing, hiking and mountain biking to keep you busy for a lifetime.
The high school is noted for being full of snobbish rich kids, so beware.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
...to visit bev i suppose
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
What I really meant was the mountains by park city, you can't argue that they don't get a lot of snow.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Hatrackers like to get together 'cause we just love each other so much!
When someone comes into a highly-populated area of Hatrackers to visit, they usually get a party. ^_^
Rivka, you would know far better than I. Cool!
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
I've been reading the ender series for a long time, but i just joined hatrack today, I guess that doesn't make me part of the family.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*grin* Actually, I think Tricia would know better than I.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Rivka: Huh. Not sure why, so I'll have to take your word for it.
Jonathan, if you stick around, I think you'll find it doesn't take long to feel right at home here. And then you'll wonder what you ever did without Hatrack.
Well, I guess that is a sign of a true Jatraquero (Hatracker). Not how much Hatrack needs you, but how much you need Hatrack.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*laugh* Do you not know where she is working?
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
who?
Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
Trisha is working for some non-profit Jewish organization.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
Is trisha rivka?
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
*laugh*
I didn't know! Only that she got a job recently.
Trisha currently posts as mothertree.
[ April 04, 2005, 09:05 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Trisha is not rivka.
In fact, unlike many Hatrackers, no one but Rivka is rivka. Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
oh, I'm already getting a basic idea of who's who and it's only my first day. In my mind that's pretty good.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
Are you sure about that rivka?
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
Are you really rivka?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Quite.
*narrowed eyes*
Are you really a newbie?
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
no humor in here, i see.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*pat pat* Quite a bit, actually.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
*ducks to avoid the rivka's powerful narrow-eye-beam*
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
Well, I'm glad. I didn't want to be too self concience of anything i said.
Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
It is not true that only Portabello is Portabello.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*sings Portabello Road*
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
never heard of it
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
Are these long pauses customary?
Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
No. They are usually longer. Conversations can last for days and days.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
after a day they're far down the list and no one will see it though.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
at any rate this conversation has pretty much reached it's limit, though.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
I would rather like to see it reach the 100 marker though.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
I guess i'll never make it to 100 unless i'm the one typing all the messages, but that would be cheating.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Patience, young grasshopper.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
"Portobello Road" (from Bedknobs and Broomsticks)
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
just one more, who will do the honors?
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Bingo!
You should feel very fortunate, Jonathon, this is a pretty fast moving thread. They don't all move this fast. But when people get riled up, they can go too fast to keep up with.
Also, just when you think a thread is dead, it can be revived by someone.
[ April 04, 2005, 09:49 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
thank you, i was waiting for someone to finish it, and i would feel silly doing it myself.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
Well i'm done with this thread, but if anyone wants to revive it, be my guest.
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
I was a non-Utah mormon for years, then we moved to Utah... then I couldn't stand to see the 'Utah-Mormons' so I became inactive... Still am, in fact now I don't even really have a religion.
But yes, the only issue I've had is that when they find out I'm not mormon (Well, technically I'm still listed.) They go into 'uber-convert' mode on me. Seems somewhat hypocritical to me being as I don't want them to...
quote:I miss Utah a lot! [Frown]
I moved to Washington from Utah in May.
*big sad sigh*
The mountains are gorgeous and I always thought the (not too much) rain was a good bonus. Oh! The people are wonderful BTW.
Unicornwhisperer, I'm not sure what you're talking about. I came from Washington to Utah, and I far prefered Washington. Still do.
So my suggestion to you, Jonathan is that since you too are a minor... keep your lips sealed about not being mormon and act like you know what they're talking about when they go into religion. Then you probably won't have issues with them working against your religion. ^_^
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
I'll take you're advice.
Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
It is bad advice to try to be deceitful about your religion.
quote:They go into 'uber-convert' mode on me. Seems somewhat hypocritical to me being as I don't want them to...
It might be annoying, but there is nothing hypocritical about it.
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
You're not decieving them, you're just not telling them what you are. ^_^
They teach acceptance of others and their beliefs, yet they can't seem to accept that I'm not one of them, they won't take no for an answer on wanting to listen to what they have to say.
[ April 04, 2005, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: Vadon ]
Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
They also teach that they should actively try to share the gospel with others.
You appear to be confused about what the word hypocracy means. It means to profess to believe one thing in public, but then disregard those "beliefs" when not in view of others.
Hypocracy seems to often be used as catch-all for when religious people act in a way that displeases you. This is not what it means.
[ April 04, 2005, 10:57 PM: Message edited by: Portabello ]
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
I always viewed basic hypocracy as teaching one thing, but not following it yourself, it doesn't matter whose view your in.
But that's the contradiction. They say to be accepting of others, but also to spread the teachings of the gospel. Then why can't they accept that I don't want to hear the teachings of their gospel?
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
So, Porter, what's up with the mushroom mask? Got tired of Anticool?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
AntiCool hit 1000.
He sold!
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
I picture him as one of those mushrooms on Super Mario Brothers. That's better than a potato head!!
Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
As I pointed out, they are very open about the fact that they want to share the gospel with everyone. You could try to make a point that LDS teachings of "acceptance" (your word) are inconsistent with the teachings of missionary work, but since they are open with their desire to spread the gospel, it can't really be called hypocracy.
But I don't think you could do that, since you appear to not understand the Church's teachings on "acceptance" (your word).
Brinestone -- check out this thread to find out about my new name.
mph
[ April 04, 2005, 11:08 PM: Message edited by: Portabello ]
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
Well, here's the thing. Typically, when it comes to being a missionairy, they will ask if they can come in and teach, if denied, they continue on and try for someone else. That's being accepting of the person's beliefs and they're still trying to spread the gospel.
The problem comes in where there are these kids constantly pelting me with Book of Mormons trying to force me to sit down, read it, pray, and convert. It is them who I have a problem with.
[ April 04, 2005, 11:16 PM: Message edited by: Vadon ]
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
The weather sucks. Sucky suck suck suck. Though I hear it's pretty good in the summertime. I wouldn't know for sure. And the mountains are pretty.
and isn't the population of SLC have more nonmormons than mormons? I might have heard that once.
[ April 04, 2005, 11:19 PM: Message edited by: sarcasticmuppet ]
Posted by Coccinelle (Member # 5832) on :
Jonathan- I lived in Utah for two years and I jsut loved it. If you like the outdoors, mountains, skiing, and camping, you'll think you've died and gone to heaven.
Park City is different from other towns in Utah in that the "non-Mormon" population is higher. Enjoy Utah for what it is. Don't deceive people about not being Mormon. Let them know that you are happy where you are. Most people will respect that Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
quote:The problem comes in where there are these kids constantly pelting me with Book of Mormons trying to force me to sit down, read it, pray, and convert. It is them who I have a problem with.
While that might be rude and obnoxious, it's still not hypocracy.
What could be hypocracy is if somebody buddies up to you in an attempt to befriend you into conversion, and then drops you like a hot porteiro when you make it clear that you're not going to covert.
Of course, being a member of the LDS church doesn't make anyone exempt from being insensitive, a jerk, or an ass.
mph
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
That's probably the best way to put it, yes.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
If you wind up around insensitive jerks of Mormons (anywhere, not just in Utah), ask them to recite the 11th article of faith for you. If they can't, tell them to go look it up before they speak to you. If they can, ask them to abide by its advice.
quote: We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
quote:Utah Jazz is the local basketball team. I guess it's cool, if you're into that
I grew up with Hornacek... wonder what he's doing now...
Posted by Dante (Member # 1106) on :
I think it's interesting and a little sad how some people always need to have someone to look down on in order to feel good about themselves.
For example, non-Utah LDS who perpetuate a "Utah Mormon" stereotype.
Or, for example, non Utah-County Utahns who adopt a fashionable "Utah County" paranoia.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
I grew up with the Chicago Bulls, who always SMOKED the Jazz.
Ahem. Sorry, continue with your discussion.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Dante, I've met enough of them who are totally insufferable that I'm not going to give it up. And it doesn't make me feel better about myself.
I've heard about it from enough Mormons who live in Utah that I believe it's real. It probably would happen anywhere the Church had a high enough concentration of members.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
I'm back for lunch.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
quote: It probably would happen anywhere the Church had a high enough concentration of members.
It would probably happen anywhere Anything had a high enough concentration of members. That's why I'm a bit less prone to the Bubble!Utah theory. The bubble around Utah is no bigger than the bubble around Arkansas, or anywhere else with a lot of people who tend to think the same way.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:I grew up with the Chicago Bulls, who always SMOKED the Jazz.
I seem to remember them coming darn close to losing the championship to the Jazz once (and I seem to remember some appallingly bad calls that decided one pivotal game).
<—bitter Jazz fan
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I feel compelled to point out that a "hypocracy" would be a government of hypocrites. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
quote: The bubble around Utah is no bigger than the bubble around Arkansas, or anywhere else with a lot of people who tend to think the same way.
What bubble?
And I don't have to deal with many people from Arkansas. Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
quote: What bubble?
Exactly. Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:I feel compelled to point out that a "hypocracy" would be a government of hypocrites.
Actually, it would be a government from below; perhaps a government of subordinates, which doesn't make sense.
But that's not nearly as funny.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Do you know what part? Because I lived in Logan for several years, and I adored living there. It was absolutely wonderful.
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
quote:I grew up with the Chicago Bulls, who always SMOKED the Jazz.
Ahem. Sorry, continue with your discussion.
Narnia, I'm a Chicagoan too... Jeff Hornacek's younger brother John was one of my high school friends and we spent a lot of time around Jeff during the summers.
Posted by Hammer (Member # 7528) on :
JK: I've spent a lot of time in and out of Utah. Found a good bridge once up by Park City. Slept all night.
Let me dispell some myths that seem to be bouncing around here.
1) Nothing wrong with a Utah Mormon or otherwise. They are the nicest and kindest people you can meet. 2) they won't try to convert you unless you ask them too. Although, you can expect several warm loaves of fresh bread when you move in. Cookies are also in abundance. They love what they have and will tell you if you ask. 3) Beautiful scenery. Mountains, rivers, lakes, wildlife, trees, you can really enjoy the outdoors here more than most places. 4) Valley life. Crowded? How the heck can it be crowded when you can see open land for hundreds of miles? 5) Park City. Great place if you like liberals, Just kidding. It is a great place though--skiing, outdoors, up in the mountains, not too far from the valley and lots of movie stars looming about. Nothing better than a hot Mormon girl--except for maybe the hot bread. 6) The concept that because of someone's religius beliefs they cannot be unfriendly is simply hogwash. Everyone has good and bad days be you Jewish, Christian, Hindu or a bum like me. If you expect every Catholic to act a certian way you'll be disappointed. Same with Mormons. I call some of them Morons.
Anyway, they have some great soup kitchens, comfortable parks and a free dentist office downtown.
I try to get there once every year or so to check the teeth. They keep doing construction on the bridges though.
I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
I'm still trying to get used to Utah and I moved here almost 10 years ago. I don't mind it, I love the mountains, but I have a hard time with the climate. Even though I'm LDS I suffered major culture shock when I came out here the first time. But it's not such a bad place to live.
On a recent work trip up to Portland, however, I remembered how much I like wetter, greener climates.
quote:By the way, it saddens me that nobody commented on the "ten densest" thing. Shame on all of you.
I was going to say something, but this thread was already 3 pages long and you had already cursed us all for not commenting.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
quote: they won't try to convert you unless you ask them too
Some of them will. But that's Mormons everywhere. Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
I'm back again.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
Oh and by the way, that was a great post hammer, one of the few informative ones, not that i dislike any of the others.
Posted by Snarky (Member # 4406) on :
quote:How the heck can it be crowded when you can see open land for hundreds of miles?
Open land? You must not be in the valleys. There's plenty of open land outside of Utah Valley and Salt Lake Valley.
quote:I was going to say something, but this thread was already 3 pages long and you had already cursed us all for not commenting.
I suppose I was a little impatient. But the thread was moving fast, so it seemed like my poor comment had been buried.
[ April 05, 2005, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: Snarky ]
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Jonathon K., you post like you're in a chatroom.
Jon Boy, I imagine Utah Valley is so crowded because there's a lake on one side and mountains on the other. Once, several years ago, my wife and I drove around Utah Lake. From the west side, Provo/Orem look like they're on this thin little strip of land bordering the mountains. It was hard to believe that so many people could live on that little strip of land.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
Is that an issue? It's a pretty light subject and I figured no one would care. We're not talking about anything very important here.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Nah. *coughpostcountwhorecough*
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
I never understood that either, who really cares how many posts a person puts up. Should I limit my posts so it will make you feel more comfortable?
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Oh come on, I'm just playing with you. Post however you want. Stay here long enough, and you'll find your own happy medium. There aren't any rules about how many posts you can rack up in 5 days. Don't worry, be happy. Posted by Snarky (Member # 4406) on :
quote:Jon Boy, I imagine Utah Valley is so crowded because there's a lake on one side and mountains on the other. Once, several years ago, my wife and I drove around Utah Lake. From the west side, Provo/Orem look like they're on this thin little strip of land bordering the mountains. It was hard to believe that so many people could live on that little strip of land.
Oh, I definitely agree. It's a ridiculously narrow corridor to try to fit so many people into. And then traffic is awful because everyone's trying to squeeze through that little space. Ugh.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
well I'm happy no one's too uptight
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
The only people who are uptight are the ones who don't get my sense of humor. Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
if it wasn't for the little happy faces, it would be too subtle
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
quote: I seem to remember them coming darn close to losing the championship to the Jazz once (and I seem to remember some appallingly bad calls that decided one pivotal game).
That game was not THAT pivotal. And I seem to remember in that same series that the Bulls beat the Jazz by over 40 points...and was that the same game that they won even though Michael Jordan was sick with the flu (he still scored over 20 points if I remember right) or was that another one? Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
<---- snarky Bulls fan
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
: comes into thread late :
I love Utah. Love visiting there, love the scenery, and love a certain special guy there.... *sigh*. That was a long time ago...
: leaves thread :
Farmgirl
Posted by Portabello (Member # 7710) on :
quote:<---- snarky Bulls fan
It's a good thing you pointed that out. I'm not sure I would have picked up on that. Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Hence many people's dislike of smileys. It's easy to use them as crutches.
Narnia, I remember that call. Stockton (or was it Hornacek?) had released the ball long before the shot clock expired. The ball went through the hoop, but it didn't count because the ref whistled it. That created a big enough point swing that the Bulls clinched that game.
I think any win against the Bulls during those championship series was pivotal. The Bulls were so good, and I hated them for that. But I had to respect them. They were amazing to watch. Jordan's final jump shot was beautiful. There was no way the Jazz or any other team were going to beat them.
Posted by Snarky (Member # 4406) on :
Meh. I'm not a big enough Jazz fan anymore to argue with any sort of real conviction.
I don't remember which game it was (or even which year), but I distinctly remember a game that turned on a couple of questionable calls. afr mentioned one; the other was pretty much the reverse. Someone on the Bulls fired off a buzzer-beater shot that looked like it didn't quite leave his hands before the buzzer. And of course, this was shortly after they discounted the Jazz player's shot, which actually did leave his hands before the buzzer.
But ultimately, the Jazz are just too inconsistent. Even at their best, they're prone to really sucking it up (like losing by 40 points in a championship game). It's just too frustrating to watch.
[ April 05, 2005, 05:01 PM: Message edited by: Snarky ]
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
Hammer, I really agree with the soup kitchens comment, they are very good here. (But not enough to make me want to stay.)
I find Utah crowded because I used to live on the cascades in Washington. (To any who might be interested, Snohomish, lived in the mountains fairly close to Mt. Baker... like maybe 40 miles?) Very isolated where I lived, there were about 9 people on our street, then it was a mile before the next street of people... oh I loved it there.
Utah Mormons, as Baker said are the nicest and kindest people you can meet. However, when I'm around them, they're always being judgemental. (This is personal experience for where I live.)
quote: 2) they won't try to convert you unless you ask them too. Although, you can expect several warm loaves of fresh bread when you move in. Cookies are also in abundance. They love what they have and will tell you if you ask.
They will at times. Adults are usually much nicer about it and just look over it giving kind of a 'Oh well, you're just different' shrug. Fellow peers at my age will, as I said, throw the Book of Mormon at me. (No joke.) And try to force me to read and believe in its teachings.
Posted by Jonathan K. (Member # 7720) on :
Yea, I've heard that they do try to convert and that they don't. I guess I'll just have to see when I go there.
[ April 05, 2005, 06:31 PM: Message edited by: Jonathan K. ]
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