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Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
 
As we all know, elves object to iron. So what do they use for blood? And how can they fight humans, when the merest splatter of blood will spray hemoglobin all over them? In fact, how can they stand to be around us at all, full of iron as we are?
 
Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
 
Violence isn't the answer.
 
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
It's possible that elves don't really exist.
 
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
 
Hence the lack of Elves and other fey folk we normal humans see. now, if you are anemic...

PS Iron in the blood is not cold.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
I dunno why you're asking this question, but it's a part of folklore.

Why did Roman vampires bit the noses off their victims?

It's a quirk of folklore and not really meant to make logical sense as we have no plausible standard with which to compare. Unless you know some elves who can shed more light on the topic.

-Trevor
 
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
 
Well, actually I was thinking more of the internal consistency of modern Urban Fantasy - Mercedes Lackey, Ellen Guon, that type.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
In which instance, most urban fantasy draws on pre-existing folklore and mythology.

Very few modern authors try to create an entirely new genre but rather adapt an existing folklore in order to be more recognizable to their readers and garner a better response.

-Trevor
 
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
 
You might also note that, at least in Mercedes Lackey's work, the elves aren't harmed by iron if it is sheathed in skilk etc, and I would assume that being embedded in someone's body would have the same dampening effect. Also, there really isn't that much iron in our blood is there? I mean, if you took it all out and made a block of it, how big do you think it would be?
 
Posted by An Elf (Member # 7650) on :
 
The iron in blood irritates us, however since it is diluted by all of that other Biological matter, we can tolerate it and you pesky humans with all your questions. Next thing I know you'll be asking me how we live forever...
 
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
 
*Whacks the elf with an iron hammer*

By staying the hell away from humans, is how. There's only room for one intelligent species on this planet, pointy-ears boy!
 
Posted by An Elf (Member # 7650) on :
 
*ducks and covers*

You humans and your brutality. Magic is so much more fun...

*turns the King of Men into a talking monkey*

[Taunt]
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I always thought it was witches who are warded off by a bit of cold iron. [Dont Know]

Okay, witches and the Good Folk. Who are related to elves, I suppose.

[ March 26, 2005, 08:19 PM: Message edited by: ketchupqueen ]
 
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
 
*Being a talking monkey already, takes no harm from this*

*Turns about and farts in general direction of elf. Eat hot dominance display!*
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Hey!

We don't need another Expendable Life Form on this board. [Big Grin]

-Trevor
 
Posted by An Elf (Member # 7650) on :
 
*takes a wiff*

Ahh reminds me of that troll from not so long ago... I think his name was... oh I don't remember... but he was full of alot of hot air... [Razz]
 
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
 
quote:
...sheathed in skilk
That's me all over.
 
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
 
I wouldn't do that if I were you, there's a lot of iron in my diet. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
There's a lot of people I'd like to see sheathed in silk, but you're just not on the list, Skillery. [Razz]

Sorry. [Big Grin]

-Trevor
 
Posted by An Elf (Member # 7650) on :
 
good point....

*puts on stolen human gas mask*

Now I'm safe....
 
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
 
Curses! Foiled again! *Dances in rage*
 
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
 
Hang on, what are you going to do with the buckles on that thing? Steel, you know.
 
Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
 
Elf, will you ride the ferrous wheel with me?
 
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
As far the series mentioned, the elves are allergic to iron, but the mere touch of it doesn't affect tehn like anafalactic shock. Also, some writers have sued other ways around that problem, like having them have the ability to assume a more human shape, sometimes called "putting on a mortal shape", which allows them to handle iron but makes them mortal while they wear it. I believe Tom Dietz used that method in his writing. As with humans, some elves are more sensitive to their allergy than others, causing some confusion as well.

Their inability of deal wit it is often used in explaining why they haev moved on to other worlds, or removed their own away from humans.

Kwea
 
Posted by An Elf (Member # 7650) on :
 
My buckles are rubberized.

Depends, what will we be doing when the ferrous wheel stops on top?
 
Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
 
*sigh* it was supposed to be a pun.
 
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
 
quote:
what will we be doing when the ferrous wheel stops on top?
kaioshin, an elf was coming on to you, and you *sigh*? [Dont Know]

*shakes head sadly*

You need to work on your elven-mojo, my friend. [Wink]
 
Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
 
Hmmm... you sound pretty well versed in the subject, Mr. Morbo. Can you please teach me?
 
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
 
First, take the elven wench to the top of the ferrous wheel and make out.

Next step, appease the in-laws and conquer a kingdom --it helps if you are a long-lost heir, but it's not neccesary.

After that, it's an elven-cake walk.

Errr, assuming "an elf" is the opposite sex of you, kaioshin. But do we really need an elven gay marriage thread?
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Well, you know, some of those elves do have pretty long hair and dress kinda girly. [Razz] [Wink]
 
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
 
Anne, I don't know the sex of Kaioshin or "an elf"...hmm, I've opened up a real can of worms here.. but I'm sure we don't need a transsexual elven make out thread--lets save that for the LotR fanfic sites, kay? [Wink]

[ March 27, 2005, 02:21 AM: Message edited by: Morbo ]
 
Posted by An Elf (Member # 7650) on :
 
If my memory serves me right, we are the opposite sex....
 
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
 
quote:
It's possible that elves don't really exist.
[ROFL]
 
Posted by An Elf (Member # 7650) on :
 
*pokes Raia in the side*

I may be a figment of your imagination... But I can still make you squeal...
 
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
It depends on what race of elf, KoM. Fairies, of United Kingdom/Irish fame, of course dislike iron. I'm not sure if the Nordic variants share the same view.

Can you link to mythologies pointing this out?
 
Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
 
quote:
If my memory serves me right, we are the opposite sex....
Excellent!

I shall thus follow Mr. Morbo's advice. At the top of the ferrous wheel, we shall share a special moment [Wink] .

Afterwards, I shall look up my family tree only to discover that I am indeed heir to the throne of Djibouti. I will distribute this information on 3x5' index cards to collect followers to aid in me overthrowing the current leadership.

quote:
After that, it's an elven-cake walk.
So what do you say, Elf? Will you ride the ferrous wheel for the combination of me and the kingdom of Djibouti?
 
Posted by Shedemei (Member # 3860) on :
 
Another, new example of books where elves dislike iron - Guy Gavriel Kay, The last light of the sun.
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
But a ferrous wheel is made of iron! Wouldn't you rather ride the Ferris wheel?
 
Posted by An Elf (Member # 7650) on :
 
The seats are plastic....... so there..... And I would love to have a moment with you my darling, but I"m afraid I may take mre than a moment.
 
Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
 
I've waited my whole life for this, so please, take your time. I want it to be just perfect.

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by An Elf (Member # 7650) on :
 
I will take your entire lifetime.... I mean since your life span is but a moment by my standards.

edit:
Even elves can't spell

[ March 27, 2005, 03:35 PM: Message edited by: An Elf ]
 
Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
 
quote:
You need to work on your elven-mojo, my friend. [Wink]
Mr. Morbo, I think I need your advice again.
 
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
 
Sorry, kaioshin, Morgoth the Evil stole my eleven-mojo many moons ago. My regular mojo is pretty lame, too. [Frown] You're on your own, but you're doing fine. Did anyone figure out who "An elf" is?
 
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
Another book that discusses human/fairy relations is 'Mr. Norrel and Jonathan Strange.' I highly recommend it.
 
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
 
Point of clarification: An Elvish Cake Walk = Lembas Loitering.
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
quote:
My regular mojo is pretty lame, too.
Morbo, if I weren't married already and completely in love with my husband, you are totally someone I'd go for. You have the mojo, you just worry too much about whether it's turned on, when all you need to do is relax and let it flow. [Wink] [Kiss]

[ April 04, 2005, 01:13 AM: Message edited by: ketchupqueen ]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Oh my, that sounded wrong on every level. [Eek!]

[Big Grin]

-Trevor
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
You know it, baby. [Wink] [Kiss]
 
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
 
Awww, that's so sweet, thanks Anne! [Big Grin]

Wow, you lug a woman's baby junk a few hundred feet at the airport and they're grateful for life--I have to remember that. *makes note* [Wink]
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
It wasn't just that... You were awesome the whole weekend. And it was awful sweet of you to put up with the baby junk, my horrid sense of direction, waiting for them to figure out what flight to put me on, taking Ems while I went to the bathroom... It was just a whole big sweetness thing. [Smile]
 


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