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Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
 
Let me start off by saying this.

I am not the most even tempered of people.

At any time.

But today, I was walking home today, and several people dumped a bucket of old beer on me from the second story of their co-op.

With ciagrette butts in it.

I didn't even know them.

You know, it's a time like those when you're grateful pyschopathic nut jobs exist.

And today I almost became one.

I stopped, thought about it, and started to throw rocks wildly at their window. I wanted to break it. I also wanted them to become angry and come down, because I really wanted to kill one of them. I wanted to feel their fingers break in my hands, I wanted to hear them scream, the stupid whiny gespacho bastards.

They live in the co-op down the street. Never talked to one of them. Never met them. But the guys who live in the co-op are these stupid ultra-liberal, skanky-ass, BO reeking, dreadlock swinging, bead wearing, soccer and frisbee playing, unshaven bunch of douchebags with legions of unfed cats.

Whom I NEVER did anything to.

Anyways, all the rocks missed, and then I got a hold of myself. For about two seconds, when I wanted to storm up there and hammer on the door.

I bet some of you would say that I should've gone up there and talked to them.

That's not a choice. I think it's good that I controlled myself as much as I did. I mean, I walked away. I don't trust myself enough to look at them and not start beating them wildly and biting parts of them.

You think I'm joking. I'm not. I have the worst temper.

Damn.

I hate everybody.

I'm going to go shower.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Dude - I'd be pissed too.

The only thought I have to offer - is it possible they didn't see you? Or didn't stop to look before they heaved the bucket out the window?

It sounds like they were just "cleaning up" and not necessarily being malicious.

Not that it would have stopped me from being really, really angry, mind.

-Trevor
 
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
 
No, they stopped, gave a short laugh, and then ran inside.

I wish I had broken that window. A lot of me does, at least.

I usually try to avoid the things that set me off. Someone starts badmouthing me? I leave the room. Someone tries to start an obnoxious political debate? I leave the room.

You cross someone as angrily tempered as me, it's all your fault, and I think you deserve what you get.

[ March 09, 2005, 06:25 PM: Message edited by: Book ]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Sorry Book - that was my best shot at a ray of hope.

On the bright side, you're not seriously injured, dead or in jail. On the flip side, neither are they.

-Trevor
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
I'd have called the cops. Assuming you feel confident in handling things if they escalate in typical frat boy fashion. No reason to let them get away with crap like that.
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
I'd call the cops, too. That's assault or something, isn't it?
 
Posted by maui babe (Member # 1894) on :
 
That was my first thought too, to call the police.
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
Yeah, it's likely assault. Assuming they lie about it, there's almost no chance of conviction. But make them lie, and get something on record.

Besides, if they're really stupid ultra-liberal, skanky-ass, BO reeking, dreadlock swinging, bead wearing, soccer and frisbee playing, unshaven bunch of douchebags with legions of unfed cats, the cops will love an excuse to pick on them.

I'm just saying.
 
Posted by AntiCool (Member # 7386) on :
 
quote:
You cross someone as angrily tempered as me, it's all your fault, and I think you deserve what you get.
But you don't deserve that crap you'd get if you followed through with your desires.
 
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
 
Calling the cops now. On hold.

Not that I have I problem with liberals, mind you.

Just these.

[ March 09, 2005, 06:39 PM: Message edited by: Book ]
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
There might be a history of complaints against these folks, which would lend weight to your complaint even without benefit of witnesses.

But get a copy of the police report - if something else escalates, make sure you have a paper trail.

-Trevor
 
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
 
Good advice.

The cops are on their way to talk to me.

I would just love to scare them a little.

They'd probably say, "What kinda guy files charges because we dumped some beer on him?"

To which I'd reply, "What sorta douchebag dumps beer on some stranger for no reason?"
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
They're freaking lucky - these days, they should be grateful someone didn't empty a magazine or two through the window.

-Trevor
 
Posted by Danzig (Member # 4704) on :
 
I would be careful about the rock-throwing thing and the police. Not saying it was undeserved, but it might be illegal in your jurisdiction.
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Do you still have the cigarette butts? Just saying, they're an invaluable source of DNA, you might want to scare those guys with that...
 
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
 
No, I was so disgusted and appalled when I noticed what was lying on my shoulder that my kneejerk reaction was to throw it away.

And the rock thing... Hmm... Don't know what to do about that.

Any suggestions?
 
Posted by Mormo (Member # 5799) on :
 
Don't bring it up.

If the guys bring it up, it won't help them, as they will likely admit being the provocatuers. Why else would you be throwing rocks?
 
Posted by Mormo (Member # 5799) on :
 
Try to think about specific descriptors of who ever did it.
Commander of legions of unfed cats is not enough.
 
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
 
Like Dag pointed out, these guys will probably lie about the whole thing. If that happens, your only chance of winning this thing is to find witnesses.

Deliberately leaving out your own actions will hurt you if your actions were seen by witnesses. It gets even worse if witnesses saw you throwing rocks but did not see these guys dump water on you.
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
quote:
Whom I NEVER did anything to.
quote:
They live in the co-op down the street. Never talked to one of them. Never met them. But the guys who live in the co-op are these stupid ultra-liberal, skanky-ass, BO reeking, dreadlock swinging, bead wearing, soccer and frisbee playing, unshaven bunch of douchebags with legions of unfed cats.
I find these statments to be in conflict with each other. I know you are ticked off, and you probably aren't in the mood to think rationally about this, but did you have this opinion of them before they did something horribly rude to you? Because if you did, never having met them or talked with them, you *did* do something to them. You held prejudice against them. Is it possible they also feel prejudice towards you, and that was the motivation behind the horrid act?

Even if you did have unkind feelings towards them to start with, you probably would never have done this to them. Though, admittedly, when you are in a group of guys and one guy comes up with a "prank", it is easy to feel pressured into going along, especially when you already don't like the person who is the butt of the joke (no pun intended.) Things tend to escalate when you are in a group--the whole mob-mentality.

I am not trying to rationalize what they did. I am just being a cold-hearted b**** about it and offering a completely different POV.

And if the above was just spouting off on the spur of the moment because you were really mad at what they did to you and nothing more, please disregard this entire post.
 
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
 
I doubt the police can do much for you. You should file a complaint against the residents with the co op's board of directors. Remind them that such childish pranks will likely raise their home owner insurance premiums and subject the entire co op to possible tort liabilities. What if you had slipped on that water and cracked your head on the sidewalk?
 
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
 
Well, bev, that was really just me spouting off wildly. The co-op has always been just a pretty skanky place. Pretty much every friday they put a kiddie pool out on their lawn, get drunk, and sit around all day yelling at people that wall by.

But no, I've never done anything to them at all, really, and never would. Even if I find them to be very trashy people, I don't like them, but I tolerate them. There is a difference. I don't have to like them, and when enraged, my dislikes can often be incredibly exaggerated. But this doesn't exactly improve my opinion of them. At all.

And it wasn't a gang. There were two of them. Just two.

Plus me, minding my own business and thinking about the antibiotics I just purchased and wondering how much chest X-rays will cost me. Then BLOOSH, all wet. And disgusting. Don't know why.

By the way, the police still haven't arrived yet. Is this normal?

[ March 09, 2005, 09:03 PM: Message edited by: Book ]
 
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
 
Yuck!! Having a bucket of old beer (don't know why people are thinking it's water) and cigarette butts chucked on you is disgusting. I can't even imagine - I've had people spit on me and throw ice cubes and fruit at me, but never old beer and butts. You aren't under 21 are you? In a sick and twisted way they were furnishing you with alcohol.... [Evil Laugh]

[ March 09, 2005, 09:05 PM: Message edited by: ludosti ]
 
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
 
Well, my roomates started talking about it and they agreed that if the cops went over there and walked into the room, they would more than likely find something very incriminating. I have seen them out on their balconies smoking dope in hammocks before.

Seriously, when I say trashy, I mean trashy.
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
Book, I am sorry that they did that to you. That was a rotten thing they did.
 
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
 
If your description of them is anything close to accurate...

and the police come by and have a talk with them...

it gives them an excuse to talk with them and possibly see something illegal...

such as marijuana or some similar illegal substance...

that will allow for the police to prosecute and remove the nuisances.

Think positive.
 
Posted by Mormo (Member # 5799) on :
 
So what happened Book? Don't leave us hanging.

quote:
Deliberately leaving out your own actions will hurt you if your actions were seen by witnesses. It gets even worse if witnesses saw you throwing rocks but did not see these guys dump water on you
Yeah, I thought about that, Beren. I balanced the idea that you should never admit possible crimes to cops vs it hurts your credibility if you leave it out of your initial statement but it comes out anyway.

Since the main way I saw the rock throwing being brought up by the jerks would hurt them, I stuck to don't admit, or at least don't bring it up.
I didn't think about the neighbors seeing it.
You could be right.
Morbo
 
Posted by mothertree (Member # 4999) on :
 
{{{{Book}}}}} this is a pending hug for after your shower. Did you shower? Can you shower and keep your clothes for evidence? Also, didn't a falling bucket kill someone in "Carrie"?
 
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
 
In a sort of weird manner of speaking, I guess....

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Carrie had a bucket of pig's blood dumped on her head while she was being crowned Prom Queen (which election was rigged, by the way). The bucket itself hit Tommy in the head and knocked him unconscious. In response to this complete humiliation, Carrie went berzerk and killed off most of her class and a good part of the town.
 
Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :
 
You have already done the right thing. You came to Hatrack, told your story, found out that we agree with you right down to your choice of vocabulary words.

Now you must understand that these morons have inadvertently given you a great gift. You have the ultimate conversation topper. "Oh, you think that's bad? I was once walking along minding my own business and two !@#$%s dumped a bucket of old beer filled with cigaret butts on my head." No! What did you do? "What do you think I did? I killed one and then beat the other one unconscious with his head."

No one will be able to top this story. Not in your whole life. And what story will they have? "Hey, we once dumped a bucket of old beer filled with butts on this guy's head." Did you know him? Had he done anything to you? "No, but we laughed our a#### off." Man, you are such an a######. "Oh. Well, we were drunk." Oh. OK. You are such a drunk a######.

You win. They lose. And nobody actually lost any body parts or got a criminal record.

[ March 10, 2005, 12:35 AM: Message edited by: Orson Scott Card ]
 
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
 
*laugh*

Now there's an interesting view on the situation. Leave it to a storyteller to see the potential entertainment value [Smile]
 
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
See you in Boston, OSC... [Wave]
 
Posted by AntiCool (Member # 7386) on :
 
*is jealous*
 
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
ehehehehe
Envy me [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Mormo (Member # 5799) on :
 
But next time, shower before posting. I mean, ewwwwwhwww. Get the butts out of your hair before you get the chip on your shoulder off your chest.
quote:
You came to Hatrack, told your story, found out that we agree with you right down to your choice of vocabulary words.

OSC
I especially liked "legions of unfed cats", although after a while my brain started to read it as "legions of undead cats"--Zombie Kitties! Run Away!

Morbo
 
Posted by AntiCool (Member # 7386) on :
 
[Monkeys] [Razz] [Roll Eyes]

As you can see, I am green with envy.
 
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
 
Wow.

I mean, WOW.

Never expected THAT sort of feedback. Thanks. Now that I've calmed down a whole lot I feel a bit sheepish about the whole thing. I hate losing my temper. It makes me feel silly and idiotic later. No one likes someone that makes a scene, or gets so mad he starts tossing around death threats. I know what those guys did was pretty scummy, but I still feel pretty stupid about it.

Regardless, the police never showed up, or at least not tonight. I'm debating just shrugging my shoulders, dropping the charges if the police ever come around, and just walking down a different street more often.
 
Posted by Mormo (Member # 5799) on :
 
quote:
Now that I've calmed down a whole lot I feel a bit sheepish about the whole thing. I hate losing my temper. It makes me feel silly and idiotic later.
I used to have quite a temper myself. Even today I would probably have reacted similarly--gotten extremely angry then felt a little silly later.

I'm glad they didn't come outside, that could have been very ugly indeed.
 
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
quote:
But next time, shower before posting. I mean, ewwwwwhwww
You know, I was thinking the same thing.......but I figured he had already had a bad enough time of it without me pointing that out. [Wink]

I love the cat qoute too...I laughed out loud and then read it to my wife, who found that funny as well.

Kwea
 
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
Book, I don't think very many people could go through something like that and not lose their temper. The fact that you didn't break down their door and leave their corpses for the unfed cats speaks well of you.
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
I'm impressed with your control as well. I can see why you were very angry to begin with, and I'm glad you forced yourself to think logically...

(and I love it when OSC finishes a book and has time to peak in here at Hatrack ocassionally..) [Big Grin]

FG
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
A bucket of beer? How big a bucket? I fnd it surprising that these dreadlock-sporting hooligans would throw away beer!
Ew. Unless it was old keg beer.
Ew again.
 
Posted by narrativium (Member # 3230) on :
 
[Eek!]

Wow. OSC posted on this side.

Wow.

*HEAD A SPLODE*
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
just goes to show.... you never know who's watching.... [Cool]
 
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
 
[Angst]
 
Posted by Ben (Member # 6117) on :
 
Narr...was that a Doonesbury shoutout? i hope it was. poor duke and his 'sploding head.
 
Posted by narrativium (Member # 3230) on :
 
No, Ben, sorry. Now that I live in New York, I read a paper that doesn't have comics.

It was a Strong Bad reference.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
You go from a cheap shot regarding newspapers that run comics to...Strong Bad.

I never thought of moving from Purgatory and into Hell as being an improvement except, perhaps, for the change of scenery.

-Trevor
 
Posted by narrativium (Member # 3230) on :
 
That was not meant as a cheap shot. There are plenty of respectable newspapers around the country that run comics.

Just not in New York.
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Fair enough - I'm just punchy today. [Big Grin]

-Trevor
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
Besides, considering the fact that a vast percentage of the comics in the paper are not funny, I'd almost rather read a paper without them.
 
Posted by Ben (Member # 6117) on :
 
Then the Get Fuzzys and Boondocks restores your faith in the comics page?
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
Get Fuzzy is the absolute worst, stupidest comic strip I have ever seen......
 
Posted by Ben (Member # 6117) on :
 
I will fight you!
 
Posted by HesterGray (Member # 7384) on :
 
One of my friends used to have Get Fuzzy comics all over the walls of her room. I read a few of them, but they didn't really inspire a laugh out of me. All they got was a little, "Eh." Maybe I just don't get it.
 
Posted by Ben (Member # 6117) on :
 
Oh and for no reason whatsoever, this thread title reminded me of an old 90s song:

i just flipped off President George! I'm going to Dis-nee-Land...
 
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Some of the "Get Fuzzy" strips are absolutely hysterical - others, not so much.

I have to admit, I can't think of any strip I always enjoy every time I read it.

-Trevor
 
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
Fox Trot is my current favorite. [Smile]
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Calvin and Hobbes.
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
I like that song.

Ummm... lessee. I do like Get Fuzzy from time to time, and foxtrot is usually funny, and of course peanuts is classic, where it still is. But... I find many webcomics to be much more hilarious than print comics. Also, it's hilarious when webcomic artists parody print comics.
 
Posted by 0range7Penguin (Member # 7337) on :
 
Calvin and Hobbes is the greatest comic strip ever.(In my opinion) [Hail] [Hail] [Hail] Calvin! [Hail] [Hail] [Hail] Hobbes!
 
Posted by Ben (Member # 6117) on :
 
Pearls Before Swine is rather punny. i enjoy it quite a bit.
 
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
 
Get fuzzy is the only comic out there that references Douglas Adams and even had a tribute strip to Our Favorite Atheist when he died.

However, back to business.

Police never showed up. Don't know when they plan to, but if it's today, I'm going to be at the library until the wee hours. So that leaves me guessing.

I, too, am now somewhat impressed at my self control. I come from a family where male members on both sides have punched through at least one thing in their life (except for my brother, who punched a racket ball wall and promptly broke his wrist, because he is intelligent that way).

I used to be a pretty hot headed guy. I still am, really, only now I REALLY try to exercise my control more often. Only I wish the world had less jerks in it. I mean, I know that eventually the meek shall inherit the earth, but doesn't that mean that first you have to kill all the pricks? And if I don't kill the pricks, then who will? Really, beating those two delightful young men to death with the nearest blunt instrument would've just been me doing my civic/Christian duty. I mean, the greatest evil is when a good man will sit by and do nothing.

*turns off irony machine*

Also, I guess if you reference potential homicide in the title of your thread, you're bound to attract all kinds of attention.

[ March 10, 2005, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: Book ]
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
quote:

Get Fuzzy is the absolute worst, stupidest comic strip I have ever seen......

How is this possible? Does your newspaper not have B.C., Hagar the Horrible, The Lockhorns, Family Circus, and other complete and total dribble? If Get Fuzzy is the worst, stupidest comic in your newspaper, I wish I got your funny pages.
 
Posted by narrativium (Member # 3230) on :
 
Don't forget Dennis the Menace and Andy Capp, Tom.
 
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
 
Add Marmaduke to that list of Crap. Never Understood the fun of a big stupid dog that does no funny.
 
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
 
Marmaduke... [Wall Bash]

Every single day it's, "Oh, Marmaduke, he thinks he's people!"
 
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
You have obviously never met Penney, who really IS people.

She acts like it most of the time, anyway.... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by mothertree (Member # 4999) on :
 
quote:
I mean, I know that eventually the meek shall inherit the earth, but doesn't that mean that first you have to kill all the pricks?
Wow, this almost makes me wish we had a signature function on this forum. [Big Grin]
 


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