I'd like to point out that although Dagonee and I are often sparring partners, that I'm actually pretty encouraged, because despite the fact that we have certain diametrically opposed mindets, we are still attempting to understand each other.
I think that's important.
I think that for too many people, refusing to even address people with different opinions from our own is damaging. For example, people who only listen to conservative talk radio, or only get their news from reliably liberal sources, aren't really open minded or emotionally secure enough to put their opinions on the line, and allow them to be examined.
I recently accused Dagonee of failing to examine his own prejudices. I guess that's unfair, because examining your own prejudices is probably the hardest thing in the world to do, and yet here he is putting his opinions on the line where he knows he will be criticised.
Communication is not easy. Dag has accused me of not achieving the clarity of expression that I intend. That should be no surprise. Language is limited, and that limitation is even greater when the perspective of the listener is different from that of the speaker.
In one of our disagreements recently, other readers of the thread called our argument "petty." I disagree. Trying to get to a level of detail where we can understand someone with a different view from our own, while fighting off emotional responses at the same time is hard work. It's not trivial.
And I think it's valuable. Ultimately, the most important tool we have for getting along with other people is the ability to understand each other. It may not seem like it sometimes, but the willingness to stick out an argument and try to come to terms shows that we respect each other enough to make the effort.
I figured it might be worthwhile to take the time to point it out.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
You do know that if he gets too uppity, you can just quote scripture at him and flash a cross, and he has to flee, right?
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
But it's still good to keep a vial of holy water handy, just in case he's feeling his oats.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Fresh garlic might be useful as a distraction, especially if there's a stove, utensils and some ingredients to cook with. Sometimes distracting an opponent is the best tactic.
And the shoelace thing won't work on Dag. Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Storm, I'm not undead, my minions are undead. Sheesh.
Stephen, you're right about the shoelaces. I wear Tevas whenever possible. "You're velcro's undone" doesn't have the same effect.
Glenn, I don't have time to fully respond right now, but I will say thanks now and reply in detail tomorrow.
Dagonee
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
You're not undead?
Sorry, I thought you were in law school.
-Trevor
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
Apparently his undead masters don't suck all his life out until he gets his JD or something.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Sorry, it was stupid and predictable but it was the best I could manage, illness considering.
-Trevor
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Glenn, just send him an Asian porn site or two. That will distract him, then go in for the kill.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
*pat pat*
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote: Glenn, just send him an Asian porn site or two.
If you can't find any, ask Elizabeth. I think she has a bunch of them bookmarked.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Ooooh, two points on the return...
-Trevor
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
I'm clearly missing something.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Only in the way that vampire hunters have lots of information on vampires. My collection of Asian porn sites is there to teach me how to exorcize Dag of his AP hallucinations.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
That's probably a good thing, Glenn.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
And Liz deflects the return for half, but the match is still any's guess!
<<offensive joke deleted in the interest of good manners>>
-Trevor
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Trevor, is there something you are trying to hide by instigating this little match? I feel that you may have some AP issues. Have you been seeing links to AP at the bottom of the screen? It starts there.
Elizabeth, Certified Sexorcist
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Yes, I absolutely hated AP formatting.
However, my father's family is Filipino - Asian porn does nothing for me.
-Trevor
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
So Liz, did you just admit to having an asian porn collection?
Game, set, and match. Posted by punwit (Member # 6388) on :
Yeah, but she keeps it stored sideways.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Glenn, I am sorry!
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
You can't fault her taste - everyone enjoys a little Nip now and again...
-Trevor
*hangs his head in shame, having been unable to resist. I apologize to anyone offended.*
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
quote: Elizabeth, Certified Sexorcist
Exorcising sex is against my religion.
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
Well Dag, lazy sex won't impress anyone....and won't require many repeat perfomances either. Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
For a moment I thought I read "self-Certified Sexorcist"
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:For a moment I thought I read "self-Certified Sexorcist"
So now this is an onanism thread?
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Ohhh, my virgin eyes.
*flees the thread seeking less steamy ground*
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Now for the serious response - even though it's always easier to toss out a joke.
I agree that it's important to both hear other viewpoints and to attempt to explain your own viewpoints to those who disagree. And to keep doing that even when the attempt gets derailed a little by personal feelings.
Thank you for posting this.
Dagonee
Posted by bunbun (Member # 6814) on :
quote: Apparently his undead masters don't suck all his life out until he gets his JD or something.
No virgins are sacrificed until after he takes the bar exam. He's officially undead after he gets sworn in and drinks the blood of thirteen slip and fall plaintiffs while chanting the bill of rights backwards.
The trick is not getting any on your suit.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I am using slip and fall plaintiffs on the punt thread!
Seriosly, though:
Glenn, I have read and learned from many opposing viewpoints on this forum, and I really appreciate that.
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
Thanks.
I guess this thread has done what I intended to do, so derail all you want.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
So Dagonee, given the tone of this thread - articles at Wolfram & Hart?
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Dag's their senior PR advisor.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
A PR advisor? What a way to spin your time.
-Trevor
Posted by mothertree (Member # 4999) on :
I thought this was going to be a thread about how you are a talking mouse that lives in Dagonee's hat and are actually behind all his brilliant contributions to humanity, such as bifocals, electricity, and the Constitution.
(Sure, I could delete this post and repost, simultaneously covering my verb agreement error and padding my post count.)
[ March 06, 2005, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: mothertree ]
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Wolfram & Hart are small time. They've been trying to get the Apocalypse going for what, 5 years?
When I run an Apocalypse, it comes in on time and under budget.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
But no one notices because of the huge same-sex marrage amendment pending.
Wait a sec....no WONDER you voted Bush!
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
On the subject of marriage and dating, I vote Bush too.
-Trevor
Edit: Sorry, this was a crude sexual joke and not an indickation of any political or social preference on my part.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Nah, Bush is the distraction so I could work under the radar to get Martha Stewart out and our plans back on track.
[ March 06, 2005, 06:36 PM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
You and Martha?
That IS the end of all....
Kwea
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Martha, Martha, Martha!
I'm sick of Martha!
-Trevor
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Oh, Jan...
Posted by mothertree (Member # 4999) on :
Is it legal to have six kids housed in a three bedroom house? Were all the sons from the dad and all the girls from the mom? I realized I have no idea. Duh, the theme song explains it all.
[ March 07, 2005, 10:18 AM: Message edited by: mothertree ]
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
You are so young, mothertree. So young.
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