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Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
 
The terms "conservative" and "liberal" are confusing and misleading. It's no surprise that in French, their cognates mean roughly the opposite of what we use them to mean.

Just because there are two parties in the United States does not mean there are two ways of thinking. You are not either "with us or against us." If you don't adhere to all of a certain party's beliefs you are not automatically a moderate. You are not wishy washy. You are not a flip-flop.

Political affiliation is not graded on a curve. Someone being "more conservative" than you does not make them a right-wing nut job.

If you must come up with identifying labels for your beliefs, please do so on a slightly more complex scale. Visit political compass, do your thing, and report back.

Thank you.
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
You first, Annie.
 
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
 
Me first?

Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.69
 
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
 
quote:
Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all.
[ROFL] [ROFL]

Whaaaahat?! What's that got to do with anything in there?!?
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
quote:
Economic Left/Right: 2.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.08

No big surprise, really, but the questions left huge areas of my political views unrefined. There were some that I disagreed with, but would have agreed with a slight corrollary. Also, many of my answers resulted from analysis that is specifically not on the economic/social lines.

Dagonee
 
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
http://politicalcompass.org/

Cool
I'm like Ghandi!
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
We want to see your numbers, Syn. [Smile]
 
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
 
quote:
Whaaaahat?! What's that got to do with anything in there?!?
There are a surprising number of people who would cut government funding of the arts because of this sentiment.
 
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
 
Syn, if you only put the link it doesn't show any numbers. I hope you saved yours.

My numbers are:

Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69

Somewhere around Gandhi, Mandela and the Dalai Lama.
 
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
quote:
Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97


 
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
 
Weeeee about like normal

Economic Left/Right: -8.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.95
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
quote:
There are a surprising number of people who would cut government funding of the arts because of this sentiment.
Yes, but that undermines the impact of the real reasons government funding of the arts should be cut. [Big Grin] It pretty much examplifies what I found lacking in the test.

Still, it's interesting, and better than the old 6-question version.

Dagonee

[ January 26, 2005, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]
 
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
 
I'm more libertarian than Syn?! [Confused]

Annie: I see what you mean, but at first I thought that it was a joke! [Smile]

Anyway, here's a strange thing. I'm ok with George W. Bush going to war in Irak. I actually said I agree with the fact that sometimes you have to go to war in spite of international regulations...
 
Posted by Avadaru (Member # 3026) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.10
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
When talking about a conservative vs. liberal spectrum, I consider myself strongly a conservative.

But with this test, am almost exactly in the center.
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
Also, the what's good for corporations is always good for the public thing was horrible, because there was no corresponding question about policies that primarily benefit corporations being OK in some situations.

That would have pushed me farther right, I'm betting.

Dagonee
 
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
 
[Kiss] Annie.
 
Posted by IdemosthenesI (Member # 862) on :
 
Economic: -6.13
Social: -5.69

Wow, Paul! You filthy hippie [Big Grin]
 
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
 
I have to laugh at some of the questions. Like the one about not wanting to send my child to a school that didn't instill religious values -- that's true, I wouldn't, and haven't, but strongly disagree that public schools should do so. So I agree and disagree with the statement since it isn't clear.

My results:
Economic Left/Right: -1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.92

*I* am left of center?? How funny!
 
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
 
I prefer communist to hippy, thanks [Razz] weed and tie-dye are BAD for you.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Economic: -1.35
Authoritarian: -3.85
 
Posted by St. Yogi (Member # 5974) on :
 
quote:
Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.92

I'm almost exactly at The Dalai Lama
 
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
 
quote:
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51

Cool . . . I admire Gandhi . . .
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
I'm not entirely happy with the obvious bias of the authors, though, nor in the rather arbitrary way they plotted historical figures against their graph. Gandhi, for example, was hardly a social libertarian; neither is the Dalai Lama. Why are they on the left side of that graph?
 
Posted by Architraz Warden (Member # 4285) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.10

Interesting (and agreeable).

Feyd Baron, DoC
 
Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
 
I would like to know how they developed the numbers for the well known political figures.

Anyway...

Economic Left/Right: -5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41
 
Posted by sexy_aaron (Member # 7312) on :
 
I'm a socialist.
 
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
 
I am a
Economic Left/Right: 1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69

There are not that many "famous" people in my quadrant. [Frown]

I think I am a littl more to the right of 1.5 on economic issues....maybe not.
 
Posted by Nato (Member # 1448) on :
 
code:
Economic Left/Right:                -2.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51

The famous person that I'm closest to is TomDavidson. (Pretty close to the Dalai Lama too)
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
quote:
I would like to know how they developed the numbers for the well known political figures.
I'm pretty sure they just made it up.
 
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
The quiz is largely manipulative in order to achieve the results it does; not all of this is intentional bias, a part of it is to use indicators to discern one's actual position. The problem is that people with nuanced positions will often respond in a surprising way to unnuanced indicators.
 
Posted by Vána (Member # 6593) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.56
 
Posted by Speed (Member # 5162) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: 2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.33

I'm just like Lem. Cool!

I also thought I was a little bit farther right on the economic, and a little further down on the authoritarian. A lot of those questions I didn't agree or disagree with. They were simplified answers to complex questions that didn't accurately reflect how I really felt. I'm not to happy with it.

[ January 26, 2005, 01:45 PM: Message edited by: Speed ]
 
Posted by Homestarrunner (Member # 5090) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.36
 
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
I'm having trouble with this question:

quote:
I would not wish to send my child to a school that did not instill religious values.
See, I would slightly agree to the positive: "I would wish to send my child to a school that did instill religious values", but I wouldn't NOT send my child to a school that DIDN'T instill religious values.

Negatives confuse me. [Cry]
 
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.08
 
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
 
SM, I had the same problem with that question. I'm okay with my kids not getting religious instruction in school, but I prefer for them to get that reinforcement of values we espouse at home. Equally, I do not want public schools to get into religious instruction. To get my preferences, I'm perfectly willing (and believe I should) pay for the privilege of having my children receive religious instruction in school.

Edit:

At the risk of looking totally stupid, what does this mean: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need is a fundamentally good idea."

[ January 26, 2005, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: jeniwren ]
 
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -6.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62

Which sounds like me, I admit.

Not that I put much faith in the results of this little test. The questions, as always in this type of test, are too arbitrary.
 
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -3.43
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.62
 
Posted by Zamphyr (Member # 6213) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: 2.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.21

Okay - so does it really surprise any of you that I'm in the same quadrant as George W. Bush?

Not sure the function of this exercise -- we all pretty already know where each other stands on these issues.

Farmgirl
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
quote:
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need is a fundamentally good idea."
Basically a socialist idea of "take from the rich to support the poor"

Farmgirl
 
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
 
There is a much different way of looking at that Farmgirl, if you don't give economics the pre-eminent position it occupies in American society.
 
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.13

Not exactly sure what that's telling me but I'm another in the Dalai Lama/Nelson Mandela/Gandhi camp.
 
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
That is true, Mr. S -- but I assumed they were asking about the question in view of economics when I answered it.

Otherwise, I may have answered it differently.

Farmgirl
 
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
 
"rom each according to his ability, to each according to his need is a fundamentally good idea."
Basically a socialist idea of "take from the rich to support the poor""

ERm, actually, thats not at all what it means. Thats what anti-marxists WANT you to think it means, but its not what Marx meant when he coined the phrase, and its not what socialist or communist thinkers mean when its still used.

The idea is that each person works according to his ability to work, and each person is compensated for his work based on his need. Which, you'll note, says nothing about redistribution of wealth.
 
Posted by Jay (Member # 5786) on :
 
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 6.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.56

I'm like George W. Bush. I'm so proud!

Ok.... back to work....
busy busy busy day.
Got my laptop back and a new assignment today. Fun!
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
I was > -1 on both scales. Basically I'm a centrist apparently. Unfortunately, it leaves out a lot of my rationalization for my beliefs which would change people's perceptions of where I stand on the political spectrum. It also asks about twenty economic questions while my political views are shaped least of all by the economy because it is something that I am relatively neutral on and I know little about what actually works for it. I have a lot more confidence in my social and foreign policy views so I tend to make more political decisions based on that.

[ January 26, 2005, 02:30 PM: Message edited by: newfoundlogic ]
 
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -6.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.49
 
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
 
This test is why its better to have people check the box of the statement that best represents their thinking.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.33

I'm right with Gandhi, or rather, left with Gandhi to be specific.
 
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
 
quote:
I* am left of center?? How funny!
No, see, you're southwest of center, which is different. [Smile]

I didn't mean for this quiz to be the authority. I agree that it has very biased presumptions.

I did mean to illustrate that a "conservative" is not neccessarily a "conservative." We have conservatives with results like Dag's and we have conservatives with results like Jay's.

The very format of this test introduces the concept of a 2-dimensional political spectrum rather than the traditional concept of one dimension. I would hazard that in actuality, people's beliefs are so complex that they would be appropriately plotted as 3-dimensional or more.

Whoever formulates a test like that gets my undying admiration. [Smile]
 
Posted by Mean Old Frisco (Member # 6666) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: 0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.26

I'm in the Dag, lem, Speed quadrant.
 
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.92
 
Posted by James Tiberius Kirk (Member # 2832) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -3.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79

Centrist.

--j_k
 
Posted by Rohan (Member # 5141) on :
 
quote:
Economic Left/Right: 2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.18

What is that, Tony Blair? I'm Tony Blair? [Confused]
 
Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :
 
Yes, somehow Tony Blair leans to the right. (The Labour party? Pshaw, we all know he's a Torrie in disguise.)
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
quote:
Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38

I don't think these numbers mean anything, though. I don't like how the choices were phrased.
 
Posted by Rappin' Ronnie Reagan (Member # 5626) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -9.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.82
 
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
Bah, this all assumes a perfectly Euclidian space, I bet if you plotted the number of entries versus distance to center you wouldn't get a value that increased at aplha r^2. Obviously this is a curved surface, and you can throw their numbers out the window.

Hobbes [Smile]
 
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82
 
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
Agrees with whatever it was that Hobbes said.
 
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Okay, I'm very left (hee hee, not so moderate according to this test!):

Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72

Interestingly, I thought I was answering very moderately economically!
 
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
 
OK, my point again was that this test doesn't matter. I was merely using it as an illustration of the concept that politics is not one-dimensional.
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
I do *not* like that test. So many of the statements are "loaded" so that while they are near the mark, I cannot "agree" with them. There needs to be something in between "agree" and "disagree".
 
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
I like your point Annie, [Kiss] , I was just using math to vent my anger [at something entirely unrelated]. [Laugh]

Hobbes [Smile]

[ January 26, 2005, 05:27 PM: Message edited by: Hobbes ]
 
Posted by maui babe (Member # 1894) on :
 
*Agrees with Beverly* [Wave]
 
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.13

I think this test generalizes its questions a little too much to really get me, but it put me at almost the right place, I suppose.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

Paul, you communist. [Razz]
 
Posted by HollowEarth (Member # 2586) on :
 
quote:
"rom each according to his ability, to each according to his need is a fundamentally good idea."
Basically a socialist idea of "take from the rich to support the poor""

ERm, actually, thats not at all what it means. Thats what anti-marxists WANT you to think it means, but its not what Marx meant when he coined the phrase, and its not what socialist or communist thinkers mean when its still used.

The idea is that each person works according to his ability to work, and each person is compensated for his work based on his need. Which, you'll note, says nothing about redistribution of wealth.

Right, under that scenario the only people that have the wealth are those that get to decide what defines 'need'.

Farmgirl's answer is adequate to the question which was: Is this an idea that we should govern by, here and now--not mind you in the idyllic green fields of the perfect society.
 
Posted by Homestarrunner (Member # 5090) on :
 
I would like to see if anybody can answer all the questions in a way that gets them two +10s.
 
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
I managed a +10 on the economic side, but only a +8.10 on social. :-/

Hobbes [Smile]
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
For what it's worth, here are my results:

Economic Left/Right: -3.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.41

According to this, I'm a lefty!
 
Posted by HollowEarth (Member # 2586) on :
 
quote:
According to this, I'm a lefty!
Thats pretty sinister.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33

sounds about right.
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
I could describe it as a lot of things, but why sinister?
 
Posted by Homestarrunner (Member # 5090) on :
 
Uh, bev, the accepted term for that is "southpaw."
 
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
Sinister is latin for left-handed.

Hobbes [Smile]
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
Ahhhh. That actually crossed my mind, but I wasn't sure if it was a play on the etymology of "left".

I wasn't aware of the specific sinister-left connection, only many of the implied meanings in "left" throughout the ages.

[ January 26, 2005, 06:09 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
 
Posted by Homestarrunner (Member # 5090) on :
 
As always, Hobbes with the meilleur mot. [Smile]
 
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
 
RRR
Paul Goldner
Elizabeth.

I feel I'm in good company.

-8.50 economic
-6.36 social

I guess I'm not much a centrist afterall. How liberating!

Now I know who Jay, Occasional and ARNDog were complaining about.

[Wink]
 
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
 
Homestar, who are you?
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
Wow, there really *aren't* many "true conservatives" on this board, are there? [Razz]
 
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
Thanks. [Smile] Though not so much since it ate up like a minute and a half of my time trying to remember French and then giving in and using Babel Fish. [Grumble] [Wink]

Annie, AIM? [Kiss]

Hobbes [Smile]
 
Posted by Homestarrunner (Member # 5090) on :
 
Annie, I'm just advice for robots too lazy to log out and in again. [Smile]
 
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77

This really surprised me. Last time I took this test I was much closer to the center. Though I think several of the questions could have been worded differently, or they should have offered a neutral choice of some kind.
 
Posted by Danzig avoiding landmarks (Member # 6792) on :
 
3.75 economic; -4.something or other authoritarian libertarian.

The questions were silly. Just because I think sex outside of marriage is usually immoral does not mean I think it should be regulated. The question about buying and selling land is one I have not answered for myself. I also doubt that there are really that many people on Hatrack who are more libertarian than I am.
 
Posted by Homestarrunner (Member # 5090) on :
 
Hobbes, I had to consciously decide not to spend a minute and a half checking the spelling in my French dictionary. So really, we're in the same bateau. [Smile]
 
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
That means "boat", right?

[Wink]

Hobbes [Smile]
 
Posted by Brian J. Hill (Member # 5346) on :
 
quote:
OK, my point again was that this test doesn't matter. I was merely using it as an illustration of the concept that politics is not one-dimensional.
I agree with that point. However, this test can be used to reinforce another point--namely, that it is nearly impossible to write ANYTHING without showing your inherent bias. I'm pretty sure the authors did not intend for any of their questions to be biased, or for the results to therefore skew to the "left," even for people who have no business on the "left." I'm pretty sure they intended to actually have a meaningful way for people to determine where their beliefs stand on the two dimensional political spectrum. But they failed.

Oh, by the way, I'm Economic -2.38, and Socially almost dead center. Not exactly the way I'd characterize my beliefs, but since the questions were so laughably loaded, I didn't "Strongly Agree/Disagree" with but about 3 statements.
 
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
 
quote:
Annie, AIM?
Annie's at work.

But you're cute.
 
Posted by Homestarrunner (Member # 5090) on :
 
Oui.
 
Posted by digging_holes (Member # 6237) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -6.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.82

I must say, I'm somewhat surprised. I expected to be somewhere in the opposite quadrant. Oh well. I'm still voting Conservative. [Razz]
 
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
[Cry]

*sadly signs off of AIM*

Hobbes [Smile]
 
Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
 
quote:
Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.77

Hmm. Looks like I'm with the majority here. I guess this is a big gay liberal forum. [Big Grin]

Seriously, that test needs some serious rewriting and recalibration. Like a "how much does this matter to you?" field for each question. And an option for neutrality, as beverly suggested.
 
Posted by Brian J. Hill (Member # 5346) on :
 
quote:
I guess this is a big gay liberal forum.
[ROFL] [ROFL] [ROFL]
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
quote:
RRR
Paul Goldner
Elizabeth.

I feel I'm in good company.

I guess I'm not much a centrist afterall. How liberating!

Hey, Bob, what about me? [Wink]

And I always knew you weren't a centrist - your ideas were too much like mine, and heaven knows, I've never been centrist.
[Big Grin]
 
Posted by digging_holes (Member # 6237) on :
 
According to this test, I am Centrist. I'm sure if I were to take other internet tests like this, the results would be different every time.

[ January 26, 2005, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: digging_holes ]
 
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28

This puts me pretty close to Gandhi. I feel good about that.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
And me, Bob!

*stab*
 
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
And me!

Oh wait, I didn't post my score [Razz]
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
So, why don't you, Dana? [Smile]
 
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
 
ooops! I forgot Ela!!!

Mack, I missed your scores entirely.

dkw -- I didn't want to drag you into this unless you wanted to post. [Kiss]

Good company indeed!

[Wink]

And now we can add The Rabbit too!
 
Posted by digging_holes (Member # 6237) on :
 
Hmm. According to this test :

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Centrist (41).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (10).

I'm starting to worry myself. [Angst]

Oh well. I'm STILL voting Conservative.
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Kind of takes away the secretness of the liberal cabal...
 
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Is it bad that I feel very conservative based on this test compared to some of the other scores?!

O.o
 
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
 
I liked that test better, dh.

quote:
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Centrist (50).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (5).


 
Posted by HollowEarth (Member # 2586) on :
 
Yeah that was a joke. One that I'd been trying to use since Hatrack started on this current round of politicalish threads.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
DH, on your test -- which I think is much more accurate, although perhaps biased towards libertarian economic policy -- I get this result:
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (25).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Centrist (52).
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (14).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (36).

There were more questions on this test to which none of the answers were satisfactory for me.
 
Posted by reader (Member # 3888) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: 1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.33

It seems pretty much certain that their "center" is actually too far northeast... and as has been mentioned many times, the questions were phrased very poorly.

quote:
Schools should not make classroom attendance compulsory.
The first time I read this, I was thinking along the lines of education for all children or not. When I read it the second time, however, I'm thinking that it's probably referring to home-schooling. Very confusing.

And the very last question on the test is also poorly phrased; there's a "given" before the part of the statement that you're supposed to agree with or disagree with, and there's no option for disagreeing with the given. The "but" there jumped out at me immediately; how can you ask someone to agree or disagree with a statement that is actually composed of two different statements?

Edit:

On the second test, I got "On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Conservative (75).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Centrist (48)."

That seems much more accurate - although I would've thought I was a bit more to the right on fiscal issues.

[ January 26, 2005, 09:46 PM: Message edited by: reader ]
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
Ahhhh, the new test is a vast improvement over the first test.

quote:
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (16).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (7).


 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Huh:

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (21).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (9).

I wonder what makes me Moderate.
 
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
Dunno. The fact that you're married? [Wink]
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
You know, it still ticks me off that despite all the available evidence, random newbie conservatives come through here and call me an "extreme leftist." It's not that I think being an "extreme leftist" is bad, mind you, but they clearly mean it as an insult and yet it's just as clearly not applicable in my case.

So let me ask: what makes people think I'm an "extreme leftist?" Heck, what makes people think I'm an extreme anything? On every single test of this sort, I come up mildly socially libertarian and fiscally centrist. What views do people think I hold that I do not? Or what views do I hold, unmeasured by any of these tests, that make me automatically a liberal extremist?
 
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Hush twink [Wink]

Tom, I never though you an extreme liberal. Ever. I honestly don't see where others see it. [Dont Know]
 
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
Ela – because I hadn’t yet, and my post was funnier if I didn’t then.

Tom – I’ve never considered you an extreme liberal. ‘Course, that’s probably because I score to the left of you on all measures.

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18

And on the new test:

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (20).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (26).
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
Yeah, I don't consider you an extreme liberal, either, Tom, though I know that some here do (and not all newbies, either).

From my point of view, you are pretty close to the center. [Big Grin]

(Then again, that might not be saying much, considering where I am. [Razz] )
 
Posted by Mean Old Frisco (Member # 6666) on :
 
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (33)

On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Conservative (82)

I'm a tree-hugging hippie and a capitalist pig. [Smile]
 
Posted by Mean Old Frisco (Member # 6666) on :
 
Tom, if you denounce your extreme liberalness, you're gonna have to give up leadership of the cabal. It is known.
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
On the quiz DH posted:

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (12).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (19).

Big surprise. [Smile]
 
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
 
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (29).

On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (12).
 
Posted by Catseye1979 (Member # 5560) on :
 
Economic: -2.75
Lib./Auth.: 2.46

Personally I really felt the way the questions were written were pushing me towards the left. I might have agreed to most of what a question asked but had on little part that I dissagreed with to keep me from agreeing. They could've at least put a "sometimes agree" option.
 
Posted by raventh1 (Member # 3750) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.77

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Centrist (43).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Conservative (78).

Tell me these aren't conflicting?
 
Posted by Misha McBride (Member # 6578) on :
 
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.10

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (39).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Conservative (71).

Interesting.
 
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
 
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." is " Basically a socialist idea of 'take from the rich to support the poor' "

Nah, basicly a minor rephrasing of
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
or "Whatsoever thou doest unto the least and lowest, thou doest unto Me."
or "...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

People being people, admittedly not very practical. Some people would insist that their contribution should be their ability to sit on the beach and drink pina coladas. And others would insist that they need a yacht.
Heck, most of us could easily feed somebody in the ThirdWorld with what we pay for our Internet connection.

Nonetheless, it is an ideal worth keeping in mind.

[ January 27, 2005, 03:44 AM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
 
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
 
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (22).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Centrist (45).

hm
 
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
 
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (34).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Centrist (40).

On the same "radius", but more to the center. This seems a little more likely than the previous result. Although there have been some questions whose answers kind of confused me and others where I wasn't informed enough to have a definite opinion.
 
Posted by Rappin' Ronnie Reagan (Member # 5626) on :
 
quote:
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (5).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (10).

Looks pretty much the same as the results of the other test, though Annie's test said that I'm more liberal on economic issues than on social issues.
 
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
 
I'm like Gandhi it seems. [Smile]

Economic Left/Right: -4.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.67

and the other one:

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (35).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (35).

[ January 27, 2005, 05:38 AM: Message edited by: Telperion the Silver ]
 
Posted by St. Yogi (Member # 5974) on :
 
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (15)
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Strong Liberal (18)

Yeah, I'm pretty liberal.

edit: Hey, I've passed 500 posts. Yay! Only took me a year.

[ January 27, 2005, 05:35 AM: Message edited by: St. Yogi ]
 
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
 
Aspectre, that reminds me of an interview I heard on NPR last night. They were asking random people their thoughts on social security and one woman said:

"My mother passed away 2 months after she started getting social security checks. She didn't even get a fraction of what she put in. I mean, I'm sure it probably helped someone else, but the family could have really used that money."

It's sentiments like this that make me shake my head and sigh.
 
Posted by Yozhik (Member # 89) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: 3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

Hey! I'm more conservative than Dagonee!
 
Posted by Lady Jane (Member # 7249) on :
 
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Centrist (48).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (35).

[Dont Know]

Added: Maybe the above is why the occasionally extremely conservative opinion from me gets people upset? Because it's a shock.

[ January 27, 2005, 12:12 PM: Message edited by: Lady Jane ]
 
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
BOOOOGUS!

Or maybe I don't know myself very well.

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (30).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (20).
 
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
 
quote:
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 2.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.26

quote:
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Centrist (56).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Conservative (75).

edit: added scores for 2nd test.

it appears that both tests put me in about the same place.

[ January 27, 2005, 11:15 PM: Message edited by: gnixing ]
 
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
 
Economic Left/Right: 0.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.87

This would explain my agony over trying to vote in the last election, if it's true. Better go take the other test.

Porter, you said you were almost exactly in the middle. Were you as close as I am?

Edit: took the other test.

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Centrist (55).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Centrist (42).

Yup. Right down the middle in both categories. Crazy me.

[ January 27, 2005, 05:38 PM: Message edited by: Brinestone ]
 
Posted by Smurfette (Member # 6152) on :
 
In the interest of helping to determine the distance of the "center" of the first test from the "center" of the second test, I offer my results:

Economic Left/Right: -0.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.82

On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Conservative (64).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Conservative (67).
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
As I recall from the last time, my scores on the first test make no sense. (I didn't even bother to take it again.)

But my score on the second test sounds about right:
quote:
On Non-Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Centrist (60).
On Fiscal Issues, you rank as a Moderate Liberal (30).


 
Posted by urbanX (Member # 1450) on :
 
I got this as a resul
Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33
That puts me in the same region as Gandhi, The Dalai Lama and Nelson Mandela....not bad If I say so myself
 
Posted by holden (Member # 7351) on :
 
Economic left/right 5.75
Social Libertarian/Auth -.46

I can't believe I'm the only one like Friedman on the whole board so far.
 


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