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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :

interesting story...and another dobie.

[Big Grin]

Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :

Hm...here's another article on this subject that's not as snarky. It's very interesting actually. I'm still confused though, did Canada legalize gay marriage or not?

Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :

That's, um, an interesting web site . . .

[Angst]

Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :

[Smile]

I know. I just used the article because it mentioned hockey, untying and Canadians in less than 2 paragraphs.

I sacrifice everything for the dobie.

Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :

From the second link:

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"We certainly support same-sex marriages and logically what flows from that are divorces," he said.

Oh my gosh. [Roll Eyes]

That is so lovely.

Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :

I know, I saw that....

Posted by digging_holes (Member # 6237) on :

Your news is outdated. The Canadian divorce law was declared unconstitutional recently, and those two women were allowed to divorce.

I recall that their lawyer commented, "Gay marriage is here to stay."

I still haven't figured out what he meant by it.

Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :

d_h,
One of my first thoughts when i heard that gay marriage had been legalized in Mass. was "Oh, good, now they can divorce." It seems strange, but I know so many couples who ended their relationships uncleanly. For many, the purchase of a home together was their way of being legally tied. Yet, if they broke up, it was always a mess.
So, I understand that statement.

Posted by digging_holes (Member # 6237) on :

In my mind, divorce is the ultimate failure of a marriage. It's an aberration, and the relaxing of divorce laws were one of the worst things that has happened to our society in recent years.

This whole "gay divorce" thing is just more proof to me that the entire gay "marriage" thing is just a sad, morbid parody of real marriage.

[ January 17, 2005, 08:10 PM: Message edited by: digging_holes ]

Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :

That gay marriages have the same problems as non-gay marriages convinces you gay marriage is a parody of non-gay marriage?

Posted by digging_holes (Member # 6237) on :

Hey Narnia, look. See? I told you it would work. [Wink]

Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :

You're just trying to turn my innocent dobie into a gay marriage thread!!

Posted by digging_holes (Member # 6237) on :

Looks like I succeeded to me. [Evil Laugh]

Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :

You did indeed.

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It's an aberration, and the relaxing of divorce laws were one of the worst things that has happened to our society in recent years.

You know, when divorce was taboo and frowned upon, lots of people were stuck in unhappy marriages. You're idealizing the past.

Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :

I don't see why people are so amused at the idea that gay divorce would follow from allowing gay marriage. Did you think that homosexuals were naturally smarter or more blissful than heterosexuals? Do you suppose homosexual couples never break up? If they're going to be allowed to get married, they must be allowed to divorce.

Now, I agree that divorce is a bad thing, and the increase of it in our society must be reversed. But the solution is not to make divorce harder to achieve. The solution is to make marriage harder to achieve. Obviously it is not the cause of all divorces, but I am convinced that most divorces are caused by getting married too soon. If people are forbidden to get married until they've had plenty of time to get to know each other first, then they'll be more likely to figure out whether they really do belong together. If things go sour and they break up, at least they haven't gotten married yet.

[ January 17, 2005, 09:44 PM: Message edited by: Verily the Younger ]

Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :

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The solution is to make marriage harder to achieve.

THANK YOU!

(Or, alternatively, to somehow make civil marriages more "weighty," so people are clear that it's A Big Deal.)

Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :

I agree with the idea of the weight of marriages, but I have no idea how such a thing could be accomplished.

Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :

I think a mandatory waiting period would be a good start. Say, once you apply for your license, you cannot actually get married for at least a year. More time than that would be even better, but would feel too oppressive to some and would not be tolerated for long.

Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :

I'm not sure either. Most of my off-the-cuff ideas pretty much amount to making divorce harder (which I confess I support when there are children involved, but that's a tangential subject). Perhaps the state could somehow make some sort of committment assessment and then decide whether or not to issue a marriage license [Razz]

Seriously, though, I think the answer probably lies somewhere in our income and estate tax laws...

Edit: Heck, even a few months would stop Vegas-style impromptu weddings.

[ January 17, 2005, 09:53 PM: Message edited by: twinky ]

Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :

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I think a mandatory waiting period would be a good start. Say, once you apply for your license, you cannot actually get married for at least a year. More time than that would be even better, but would feel too oppressive to some and would not be tolerated for long.

Noooooo! If that were the case, Fahim and I wouldn't have been able to get married until August 2004. Forget it!

Just because some people split up shortly after they get married is no reason to make it more difficult for everyone else to get married.

Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :

Isn't that how some states deal with gun control? An application and then a waiting period?