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You are not all that bright, are you?

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Sadly, no.

I guess that in 4 years or so, if I will mature, I may join again under a different pseudonym. This is not the time, though.

I do seem to scrape the actual unspoken rules of the forum. May it be that no more like me will do it. It is a shame that I lost reference to the thread "Who poisoned the well at Hatrack", but I remember what was said there: I believe it was "abrade" that defined me well in this forum.

I'm an apogee-minded eccentricity, and must face the truth. As one of my poems says:

"Oh, countless times I heard the phrase
‘You cannot run away.
You must face your mistakes alone,
And shan’t be led astray’.

Yet I could not be trusted into
Seeing that at mind;
I fled, and bound like tied-up hounds
I never looked behind."

Sorry, Tom. I know this has flaws.

Right or wrong, I feel like that's what I have to do: stop giving you a bad feeling, and find a way to prosper elsewhere. I am sorry you were all part of this.

An example can be give with my "IN, 'RI'? Lol" post, in which I did go way overboard. I am sorry you had to have that.

Really, this is a great forum. But I think that this place was not successful. I will post another two posts or so, but I seriously consider leaving after my 300th.

Yours sadly,
The 14 y.o. "ApogeeMindedEccentricity~!",
A pathetic, self-centred, immature and an idioticlaly foolish, teen-aged imbecile.

Sorry, Tom; sorry, Raia; sorry, Sara Sasse; sorry, Farmgirl; sorry, WheatPuppet; sorry, Dagonee; sorry, dkw; sorry, quidscribis; sorry, mackillian; sorry, mr_porteiro_head; sorry, Kwea; sorry, rivka; sorry, King of Men; sorry, advice for robots; sorry, Boris; sorry, Bean Counter; sorry, Stan the man; sorry, kaioshin00; sorry, Icarus; sorry, fugu13; sorry, The ReaI Katrina/Katharina/Katherine (unable to recall! *Sob + extended apologies.*); sorry, Verily the Younger; sorry, Da_Goat; sorry, Storm Saxon; sorry, tt&t; sorry, Annie; sorry, Kama; sorry, Elizabeth; sorry, PSI Teleport; sorry, ae; sorry, Papa Moose; sorry, raventh1; sorry, Vadon; sorry, Boon; and sorry, everyone else, whom I may have forgotten.
 

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Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
 
Jonathan, why not take a break and sleep on it? No need to make a big decision today.

I, for one, would be delighted if you'd stay. I'd settle for you remembering that even if you go, you can come back.

You come across as much older than fourteen, you know. Maybe people were a little rough on you because they did not realize that although you are as sharp as a tack, you haven't been on the earth very long. Not comparatively, at least, and that means inexperience -- a position which all of us, every one, have been in and at times continue to be.

(((Jonathan)))

[ January 06, 2005, 01:06 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
 

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Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Jonathan,
Please do not apologize to me. It is unnecessary. I suggest you stick around and play in the fluff threads for a while. To be honest, that is what I am here for, post-wise. I read most threads, but usually let others do the talking unless I feel very strongly about something.
 

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Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
 
Why am I on the list? Did I ever shout at you or something? Cause I recall nothing that would require your apologies...

Many great and loved posters had a tough beginning.

And Sara is right, as always.
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
{{{[[[(((Sara)))]]]}}} (Overdone?)

I'll think of it. And I'll write some more, make that 310, for now (my right to delay it). You persuaded me THAT bit! Mayb it is my age; but then, I need to adapt to the situation here, as it IS the forum's essence.

Oh, Lord, incoherent mumble again...
Jonny
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Hatrack is tough for younger people because the level of knowledge is so high, and the tolerance for a narrow idea (often an idea that is not representative of a narrow mind but small experience) is quite low.

Don't go; perhaps when posting something you think will be controversial put a disclaimer saying this is "only an idea you had, what do others think?".

EDIT: I know about the age thing because I was seventeen (which seemed old in real life but not here) when I came and dared not say anything, in fear of being squashed like a bug.

[ January 06, 2005, 01:14 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
 

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Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
 
I think your poetry is great.


 

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Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
 
some newbie advice
 

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Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
Jonathan, knowing that you are young is reason for all of Hatrack to be patient with you. And despite moments of criticizm, Hatrack really is a patient community in general.

Some of your posts have come across as arrogant. But you have also shown that you regret coming across that way and are willing to open your mind to new ideas. What's not to like?

If you stay, I promise you that you will grow with Hatrack. You will learn, and eventually begin to feel like you belong here. You won't be sorry.
 

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Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
Being 14 is not a contraindication for being a member of Hatrack. My son was younger than that when he joined and was an active poster for several years. (Now, he's way too busy with school activities to be actively involved.)

I haven't been that active, so I don't really understand why you feel the need to leave, but I don't really see any reason for you to do so.

I agree with Sara: take a break and sleep on it.

[ January 06, 2005, 03:16 PM: Message edited by: Ela ]
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
My apologies, Kama.

You did none wrong to me; it is merely that when I saw your name I recognised it, and knew that you never did anything that caused me to feel unfomfortable. On the contrary! You were very friendly to me .

One who was entitled a troll was very nice to me as well, so I put him/her on the list of "sorry, X".

The One Who Knows Not What To Do.
 

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Posted by Joldo (Member # 6991) on :
 
Try going to Hatrack Young Writers. You can be a cantankerous punk there and fit right in. That's what I do, at least.
 

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Posted by Trisha the Severe Hottie (Member # 6000) on :
 
Hey, just read Dune. I didn't read it until I was 33. We could start you off right. Have you read much OSC? I would normally assume you have, but now and then someone signs up who hasn't.

I've been curiously obsessed with memories from when I was 14 this week. I don't know if it is just because we celebrated our 14th wedding anniversary this week.

I would say "we all say imbecilic things" but I only really know that about myself. And I don't mean when I was 14.
 

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Posted by Lost Ashes (Member # 6745) on :
 
(((Johnathon)))

Stick around, pal. Sometimes we do our greatest growing in the face of criticism.

You're a good kid and beyond your years. Don't sweat it if sometimes people look at your age rather than your efforts. That's something we all work through until we, what, like 40 or so. Sometimes it's even farther than that.

Stick around and learn some stuff. I'm sure we've got a lot to learn from you.
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Dude, you don't have to apologize to me for a single thing. And, heck, I understand why you might feel like skipping town; people here have been more than a little harsh to you, and it's got to be weird adjusting to an environment where not everybody appreciates your genius -- or even recognizes it.

We've had a few people drop by and rush out when they were your age, only to come back a little later. I sincerely hope to see you around here again -- although, to be honest, I'd like to talk you into sticking around.
 

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Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
 
**Here is what hatrack has done for me**

• It humbled me considerably. I like to discuss ideas, but not many people do around my immediate vicinity. I started to get arrogant and feel superior to my peers. It did not take long for me to realize after reading so many posts that I am not "all that." This has left me more open minded, and I have learned a great deal here--even though I have not given other members enough credit.
• It has proven to me that people can disagree politically, religiously, and intellectually in a respectful way. People here really are warm, care, and maintain really good etiquette.
• Being called on ignorance is not a bad thing. If I am not smart in a subject, ill-informed, or have fallen victim to logical fallacies, I want to be told in very simple terms. This is not cruel; it gives a chance for pure self reflection. No one says these things hoping you fail, they say these things hoping you change.

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Ridiculing others for their beliefs is another no-no.

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Don't curse. Some words are okay, if used in context. Ex: "Don't Christians believe in hell?" is acceptable. The 'F' word is never appropriate.

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To be honest, I'd like to talk you into sticking around.

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If you feel like leaving, leave. There is no need to start a thread announcing your departure for whatever reason.

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And yours are among the posts that I always read, when I come across them.

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Wow, that is a true wonder...! I remembered I forgot adding someone to that list, Noemon was the name (oh, wait, people seem to think that there's no need to apologise; so that might as well be the best).

Ironically, this might be my most popular thread, at least in the beginning... I had one of 80 posts, once..;. And my first thread was... I think of Bush...

Oh, whatever! Thank you so much for the support!

[ January 06, 2005, 01:49 PM: Message edited by: Jonathan Howard ]
 

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Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :
 
Gosh, do you guys remember :Locke? He was, what, 12 or something when he started posting here? I remember being 19 and embarrassed that he was so much better at holding a debate than I was.

Age doesn't automatically mean anything here... I remember several newbies who claimed to be in their 40s who were about as immature as all get out. And got banned for it.

It's tough, because most of the attitudes you're displaying that people find objectionable are due to your lack of life experience. Which you can only really fix by experiencing more life.

While you wait, though, it would definitely be a good idea to think about how you're coming across when you start questioning people's deeply-held beliefs. Especially now, there's a lot of tension about religion at Hatrack and across the entire country... and everyone is a little touchier than they normally would be.

Also, posting threads announcing your departure are lame. So nyah nyah.
 

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Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
 
What Tom and Noemon said, of course. You'd leave quite a hole if you left.

Remember, too, that everyone who's been here awhile has screwed up royally at one time or another. (Some of us more royally than others. )

And Teshi is eighteen? Jimminy Cricket.
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
Hmmm... Raia thought I was 16-17 when she spoke to me (and when she met me; I might be growing a moustache quickly, *wink*).

Others thought I was 15 when I was 12. I guess age only means life experience and the elaborateness of the language. You people are true aces in trying to convince me to stay... And aces in about 110% of other means...

I give you all a big smile: .
 

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Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
Please stay.

Debate and critique don’t mean people want you not to post, they mean people want to engage your ideas. This is a good thing.
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
I know, but I felt incompetent here...
 

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Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Yeah, but growing up is continuously learning just how incompetent you are.
 

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Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
Hm. If you’re the kind of person who always has to feel like the smartest guy in the room, you might have some trouble. There’s lots of smart people here. But if you’re the kind of person who enjoys learning from others and is confident enough to share your own knowledge while admitting you don’t know everything, you’ll do fine. (And if you’re currently the first type, you might want to consider hanging around and trying to become the second type. They’re more fun.)
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
The post about Christianity was my blow up; but the majority of my posts make me like the unsmartest person in the thread, posting what he knows and trying to learn from those who have grey-cells far more operative than mine.
 

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Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
 
...And after all, everyone knows Bob is the smartest guy in this room anyway

-Bok
 

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Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
 
*reads title*
*breaks into song*

"Fare ye well
Fare ye well my fairy fey
For I'm going to Louisiana
To see my Susianna
Singing Polly Wolly Doodle all the day."

*hugs Jonathan*
Stick around!

AJ
 

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Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
Jonathan, you’re 14. That isn’t a bad thing, but it does mean that you’re going to run into a lot of people who have more experience and education than you do. Some things that you think are amazing new discoveries are going to be old hat. And sometimes the crotchety old folks are going to get annoyed and snap at you. Don’t take it too personally. You have plenty to add to the discussion.
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Johnathan, on average, Hatrack is full of some of the smartest people it's my pleasure to know. This isn't to say that I don't know smarter people from other venues, but I do believe, on average, that the population of Hatrack is in general much, much smarter -- and better-informed -- than the population of the country.

I am, quite honestly, often humbled in this company. And in the real world, I am very rarely humble.

So think about it for a second: I'm twice as old as you are, and I don't think I'm particularly stupid. If I occasionally feel stupid here, and if an extra lifetime of learning was not completely wasted on me, I can solemnly guarantee you that there will be times on Hatrack when you're going to be completely out of your depth.

Frankly, those kids who're able to post here -- like you, or Teshi, or Locke, or Hobbes, or Annie (back when she was Morgan Majors) -- often leave me speechless. There's no way I was smart enough at fourteen to fit into this crowd, and I'm always impressed by those kids who do.

You're an extraordinary kid, and should feel special. But that merely entitles you, in practice, to sit with us at the table. A lot of people have a very negative, kneejerk reaction to someone "showing off," particularly if they don't think it's merited, and so people will come after you to slap you down if you come off that way. All I can say is this: don't try to show off -- but when you have reason to toot your own horn on occasion, don't let their harping get to you.
 

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Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
I'm not aware of anything for which you would owe me an apology.

I'm with those who say stick around. Frankly, I'd be disappointed if you left Hatrack because it was challenging to your ego, and you chose smaller waters. Teenagers typically don't know that they are kids, so what I'm about to say *might* sound a bit derogatory, but it's not. This is a great group of people to grow up around, and to cut your intellectual teeth on. I've grown here, and you could to.

There are good reasons to leave Hatrack. I've not yet heard you give one.

-o-

Ela:

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I haven't been that active, so I don't really understand why you feel the need to live, but I don't really see any reason for you to do so.

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um . . . ?

A bit harsh, no?


 

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Posted by jexx (Member # 3450) on :
 
You could always do what I do and lurk and learn!

*back to lurking and learning*

edit: TomD is only 28!?!!
*puts head in hands and feels old and stupid*

[ January 06, 2005, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: jexx ]
 

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Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 

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I know, but I felt incompetent here...

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Heck, I'm old enough to be your mother and I sometimes feel incompetent here.
 

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Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
 
I caught that too, Icky. *grin
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Heck, I thought she meant it for a second; my gut reaction was "Gee, Ela really took those Bible translations personally."
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 

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Teshi, I have to say that I'm always stunned that you're not in your early 30s.

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Wow, I always feel like I'm posting like a little kid (which I technically am, in the experience scale of things). This makes me feel better .
 

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Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 

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Heck, I thought she meant it for a second; my gut reaction was "Gee, Ela really took those Bible translations personally."

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Heh.

Bible translations? What Bible translations?

***
But, actually, I did mean it. I am pretty careful about checking my facts before I post in debate threads - I don't like being jumped on.
 

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Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 

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But, actually, I did mean it.

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um, read the sentence I quoted two or three more times. I really don't think you meant what it says.



 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Um, Ela, either you've missed the joke or I just did.
 

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Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
I have to admit, I totally missed the joke.

I have no idea what's going on here...but then I usually don't.


Signed, Clueless
 

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Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
Hey! No fair jumping on my typo when I didn't even notice it!


And my subsequent post wasn't even referring to what you posted, Icky, which is why I didn't get it.

That's what I get for trying to do 5 things at once.
 

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Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 

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I haven't been that active, so I don't really understand why you feel the need to live, but I don't really see any reason for you to do so.

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TomD is only 28!?

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I have a 28 y.o., brother; very intelligent and smart. And yet, nowhere near TomD. Exceptional, he [TomD] is. One of the many reasons I respect him so much!

I think my smartest move was to leave the Christianity thread alone...

My thanks to you all, tomorrow morning I hopw to finally decide whether I can leave Hatrack.

You ARE my online family. Damn, I never knew I loved you all so much!

Jonny

(P.S. Note to self: No need to be so touchy, even though you love everyone on Hatrack! You're a powerfully built adolescent! History made you so!)
 

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Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Hobbes


 

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Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 

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But, actually, I did mean it. I am pretty careful about checking my facts before I post in debate threads - I don't like being jumped on.
Facts, certainly. But spelling...

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That's what happens when I don't have JaneX looking over my shoulder correcting my spelling and grammar as I'm posting.


And, Adam, how come I never see you on your work aim anymore?

[ January 06, 2005, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: Ela ]
 

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Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
 
Jonathan it's not a life or death one time only decision. You can always leave for a day, week, month or year and come back. Many of us have taking a hiatus or two in the past.
 

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Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
 
Actually, I think TomD is ancient (30+) now

-Bok
 

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Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
 
<clueless>
Annie is Morgan Majors?
When did this happen? I always wondered about why she left Hatrack
</clueless>

[ January 06, 2005, 03:35 PM: Message edited by: IanO ]
 

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Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 

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I haven't been that active, so I don't really understand why you feel the need to live, but I don't really see any reason for you to do so.
What made me laugh is how almost-perfectly it works when read as written.

But really, you're not advising Johnathan to committ suicide, are you?

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Silly Icky.
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
And my father always claimed women are VERY multifunctional.

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Look, Ela, I won't suicide. I will live and probably not leave. I won't leave yet. I'm addicted to Hatrack.
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
How lovely... You all persuaded me to stay. You should all be in the Governemt or something: each will make a smarter president than the current one, a smarter vice that the current; etc.

Jonny
 

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Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
 
Newbies take note. Zalmoxis provided you with this convenient OSC guide.

All your OSC questions answered

Enjoy.
 

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Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
Glad to hear it Jonathan!
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
Thanks to you as well, Noemon! You are one I look up towards.
 

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Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
 
I'm glad you're staying, Jonathan. I think it's great that you're trying to be aware of the customs around here. The fact that you even notice them and attempt to follow them speaks well of you. And don't worry about being young--I was seventeen when I joined the forum, and I felt pretty young and inexperienced then too. Actually, I still do. I guess we all have a lot to learn from each other. It's wonderful to get the perspective of adults who are older and more experienced, as well as the views of the young adults who have a different set of experiences.
 

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Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
 

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sorry, Raia

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It looks like I'm too late to convince you to stay, but I'll still add my two cents...

There is no need to apologize to me. You haven't done anything to offend me. I think I speak for many of us when I say that. We all write posts sometimes that either touch the nerves of others or repeat things that others have said. I don't see anything particularly wrong with that, and I think some of the comments on that thread were very rude, personally. I think you're a great person, and a lovely Jatraquero, and I would also be very sad to see you go. Incidentally, I'm glad that the collective Hatrack community convinced you to stay!

Btw, everyone, he's as nice in person as he is here. Just thought I'd mention, for the record.

Glad you're staying, Jonny... don't leave just yet!
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Nope. Not yet 30.
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
You were not too late. You are the final straw that broke the camel's back (my stubbornness of 'leaving').

You're really cheerful here, and a true personality so remarkable that none would ever let YOU drop out of Hatrack. But in real life we get your real, physical smile (and schoolkids that still 'Point & Laugh').

Thanks Raia, I apologise to the following people I put them on the Apology List...

Sorry, Tom; sorry, Raia; sorry, Sara Sasse; sorry, Farmgirl; sorry, WheatPuppet; sorry, Dagonee; sorry, dkw; sorry, quidscribis; sorry, mackillian; sorry, mr_porteiro_head; sorry, Kwea; sorry, rivka; sorry, King of Men; sorry, advice for robots; sorry, Boris; sorry, Bean Counter; sorry, Stan the man; sorry, kaioshin00; sorry, Icarus; sorry, fugu13; sorry, The ReaI Katrina/Katharina/Katherine (unable to recall! *Sob + extended apologies.*); sorry, Verily the Younger; sorry, Da_Goat; sorry, Storm Saxon; sorry, tt&t; sorry, Annie; sorry, Kama; sorry, Elizabeth; sorry, PSI Teleport; sorry, ae; sorry, Papa Moose; sorry, raventh1; sorry, Vadon; sorry, Boon.

Jonny
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Keep that up, boy, and I'm going to make you issue a meta-apology.
 

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Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 

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Thanks to you as well, Noemon! You are one I look up towards.

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Thanks!
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
Oh God, last time I read supplements to the Russell Paradox I got freaked out by meta-meta-meta-meta language.

If that was a threat, then I will... You know... I will... Do... Well, no need to mention... Because, I'll... Oh, whatver!

(((Tom))) - for being so kind and helpful while raising post-count.
 

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Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
 
*hug Jonny* Thanks! Back atcha.

(edit: As for the schoolkids, would you like me to get off of the Har and beat them up for you? )

[ January 06, 2005, 04:50 PM: Message edited by: Raia ]
 

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Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
The Russell paradox for apologies:

"I apologize to everyone who is a person who will never receive an apology from me.
 

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Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 

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Look, Ela, I won't suicide. I will live and probably not leave. I won't leave yet. I'm addicted to Hatrack.

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I'm so glad to hear that, Jonathon.

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And my father always claimed women are VERY multifunctional.
He's right. It's very unlike Ela to only be able to do 5 things at once.

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*Kisses Adam, one of the two best nephews ever.*

Not getting enough sleep. So sue me.

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I had to use an allow-only list because I was being harassed, and I can't keep non-co-workers on my work buddy list (for obvious reasons)

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Too bad. Guess I'll have to chat with you when I catch you on aim at home.

[ January 06, 2005, 04:59 PM: Message edited by: Ela ]
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
The Russel Meta-Paradox of apologies:

"I apologise to all those who got the message from me that I - 'apologise to all those who are humans who received an apology from me'."

Jonny

[ January 06, 2005, 04:56 PM: Message edited by: Jonathan Howard ]
 

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Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
 
All this happened while I was asleep, so I'm a little late on posting. Too bad!

Jonathon, I have no idea why you were apologizing to me, either. I don't recall you ever doing anything that offended me. Granted, I have a lousy memory anyway, which tends to mean that only those who are repeat offenders stay in my mind. So, basically, uh, dunno what yer talkin' 'bout.

Also agree with other comments that you do not, in fact, come across as a snot-nosed brat of 14. You present yourself well. Not to say that you can't make improvements, but that same thing applies to all of us. We all have twitchy days where we say things in such a way that they come across not exactly as we intended. Oh well. Such is life. Get over it and move on. (I'm not saying I recall you doing anything like that - I don't. I'm talking in general terms.)

Um, well, you've already decided to stay, so I don't need to convince you of that. I just don't think you have anything to feel bad over. You weren't anything at all like certain others who would criticize, condemn, heckle, call names, attack, degrade, and otherwise piss off. You're pretty harmless. Perhaps not what you want to read, but for 14, it's pretty good.

Glad to know you're staying.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
Dang it, I'm not on the list. Perhaps I should try harder.
 

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Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
T, you've been a tad busy lately. Don't worry, give it a month or two, and you'll be getting apologies.


Jonny, I don't need an apology either. While I did come down on your for that most recent thread (and was probably harsher than I intended -- sorry about that), and have certainly not always agreed with you, I think you are a great kid. I'm glad you've decided to stick around.
 

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Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
 
I wasn't aware I had the name recognition to get apologised to. Um. You're ruining my self-image as that guy people vaguely remember.

It's great you're staying, Jonathan.
 

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Posted by Stan the man (Member # 6249) on :
 


I'm on the list of apologies to.....why? JH, you never had a reason to apologize to me. Hardly anybody does for anything. It is really hard to truly tick me off or offend me. I guess out of courtesy I could accept it, but I see no reason beyond that. Sit back for a few days and see if you feel different about leaving.
 

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Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
 
Now then, if you DO want a list of people who could do better by apologizing to people, I can help ya there. . .
 

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Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 

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I think my smartest move was to leave the Christianity thread alone...

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I agree completely.

Believe it or not I too am glad that you are sticking around. Just because you pissed some people off doesn't mean you have to leave, or even that you should. If that was true I wouldn't have lasted a month here....yet here I am, 4 years later (almost).

here is a good rule of thumb...don;t laugh at peoples religions or their political views. Not only does it tick people off it doesn't sevre a good purpose. You can do it if you want, but it rarely works out well for anyone envolved.

The first thing you quoted was from me, and I am sorry if I was too harsh. I wasn't sure if you were just young, or if you were deliberatly trying to provoke people here, and considering some of the things that had happened here recently I assumed the worse.

I STILL don't think that was too bright... ...but that isn't a crime. Being young is something we have all gone through, and most of us survived it pretty well, all things considered.

Listen here and you will find things that you may not have heard elsewhere....and ask lots of questions about things that interest you.

And for God's sake, stop apoligizing!

Kwea
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
I guess I apologised for all those whom I have written replies to, or those who wrote replies to me, or those whose name was familiar.

I'm sorry i apologised to... Wait a sec... I used the Russel Meta-Paradox of Apologis already...

Cheers, all; and thanks.

No-one is late to reassure my, by the way.
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
Joined the Young Writers' Forum... Thank for the advice.

I thank you all from heartness deep,
For you gave me advice,
Advice which status raises steep,
My thanks, it was so nice.

(Made it up now.)
 

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Posted by Mr.Funny (Member # 4467) on :
 
Glad you decided to stay! Being only 15, I usually feel quite ill-prepared and inexperienced to stick my neck out participate in the really serious discussions. I applaud you for doing so! Hats off to you!
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
Put them on the rack...

Anyway, join as well; two in mid-teens can definitely try to collectively contribute. That's the way to get your voice heard here... Being "mown down by journalist fire" didn;t stop nVidia from releasing the next-card-in-line. Being "mown down by Hatrack criticism" can get you to be a true Hatracker.

I'm on the other side of the wall!
 

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Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
 
And he doesn't apologise to the Australians!



Seriously, John - I'm glad you're staying. Hatrack provides oppurtunities for personal growth as much as entertainment. I think it is a Thoroughly Good Thing.
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
I never knew you were an Aussie, mate!

My apologies for that .
 

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Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
Well, I'm glad you're staying. Even if you may have made some mistakes or whatever, there's always a chance to change.

I might have the opposite problem from you. I'm usually so terrified that I might say something stupid or offensive or to make people mad at me that I don't say anything. You have been known to say things that offend people without realizing why.

We should band together and form an unstoppable superhero team...

These mistakes are understandable, considering that, as I recall, you have English as a second language, right? Add that to the age thing, and most everyone would be willing to forgive you as long as you don't keep making the same mistakes.

I think you'll do fine.

[ January 07, 2005, 03:59 AM: Message edited by: Ryuko ]
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
I'm a native English speaker. My first word was "light". I'm bi-lingual, though, which is a terrible fate, if your luck is as good as Murphy's.

I simply confuse phrases... And my punctuation is unique in both languages.
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
"We should band together and form an unstoppable superhero team."

Shy Girl and Motormouth?
 

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Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
 
If you're bilingual, what is your second language ?
 

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Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
He's an up and coming newbie with a propensity for sticking his foot in his mouth. She's a seasoned veteran who is reluctant to speak up. Together they fight crime!
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 

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If you're bilingual, what is your second language?

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Hebrew.
 

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Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
Hey now, I'm not shy. I'm just overly cautious...
 

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Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
 
Ayh, Noemon, it brings back fond memories of the Crappy Superhero thread, one of my all time favorites.
 

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Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 

 

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Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
 
*high fives Jonny*

Fluent Hebrew speakers rock, n'est-ce pas?
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
You and your professor's French...

Actually, fluent Hebrew speakers, in most cases (in Israel), speak Hebrew as well as they do Arabic (or Chinese, for that matter).
 

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Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
 
Then they're not fluent, hehe.

And "n'est-ce pas" is hardly professor's French!
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
Oh, they're fluent all right, but horrible grammar. Worse than my Latin!

All I know is that you learned your French from your profssor who... writes your assignments!

BTW, you still owe me an e-mail!

[ January 08, 2005, 03:08 PM: Message edited by: Jonathan Howard ]
 

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Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
 
*checks*

Not according to my e-mail, it says the last one exchanged was the one I sent.

My computer or yours?
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
Last one said "Sure, dear. Whatever makes you happy". Et cetera. That was mine.


 

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Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
 
Wow. I didn't even see this thread. Consider this a late, "Don't leave now!" post. Even though we often disagree, I actually consider you to be my sign-up brother (Since we both signed up in October of 2004). It really does take a while for anyone to get their hatrack legs in here. I thought I was just annoying people for the first month I was posting. I probably was. And I mentioned it and got a few laughs, and then leveled out. So yeah. Stay, bro
(No need to appologize to me either, since I noticed my name in the list, but don't apologize for apologizing, cause that's just...wierd)

[ January 08, 2005, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: Boris ]
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
I always remembered there was someone who signed up before/after me! We're #6934 and #6935! Let us keep up that brotherhood for better or for worse!

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We band of brothers.

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Go Go New Justice Team!
Go team, go team, team team team.
Who's the newest Justice Team,
The New Justice Team!
Captain Yesterday is fast.
Also he is from the past.
Not just fast but from the past.
Captain Yesterday!

Superking has the power,
Superking has all the power,
all the power of Superman.
Also he's a robot, ain't it cool?
Superking you rule!
Clobberella beats you up,
Clobberella beats you up!
Who does she beat up? You!
Clobberella!

Citizens never fear.
Crazy do-good freaks are here.
Until they run out of steam
miracle cream, miracle cream,
gives the power to the team
it's effects wear off for sure,
so they just slop on some more.
The New Justice Team!

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Futurama - "Less Than Hero"
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
More like "We few, we happy few", or "Before God, I am exceeding weary".

Sorry for resurrecting The Dead Post. I wonder if a long discussion will follow...!
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
More like "We few, we happy few", or "Before God, I am exceeding weary".

Sorry for resurrecting The Dead Thread. I wonder if a long discussion will follow...!
 

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
 
OK, so this is from about 90 million posts ago, but yes, Annie is Morgan Majors, but prefers Annie.

And thanks Tom, I'm flattered.

Hobbes
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
Well, at least another successful youngster - Hobbes.

I seriously think either Boris or I should become "Calvin".
 

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Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
 
Jon, I thought about that - becoming Calvin - but decided I can't beat Hobbes' funny...
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 
Well, Hobbes is Hobbes...
 

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Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
 
I really wish that nobody remembered that I was Morgan Majors. Morgan Majors was an immature little twit. And her poetry was atrocious! Even earlyAnnie's poetry was atrocious.

I like to think that the 2 years or so I spent without internet access did me a lot of good. I suspect though that maybe my poetry's still atrocious.
 

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Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
 

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And her poetry was atrocious!

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