For all of you who have read Enders Game you know what happens. Aliens attack twice. Humans become offensive deffensive and attacks the buggers homeworld. After the war at the buggers homeworld, Ender along with sister and others colonize it and Ender discovers egg of queen bugger. He takes it and blatablatablata, rebuilds their society etc. Now lets think about that, dosen't that sound familiar with this war going on now? Alquida attack us twice, yes twice, 1993 and 2001. We cry over our loss, but then President Bush says, we will find at destroy this evil(not exact qoute). Now in EG Ender discovers(well its bascally common sense) that earth cant be defended well from the buggers. Attack from anywhere, north pole, south pole, America, SA, europe, etc. Well wat did we also discover(once again common sense), this country cannot be protected everywhere. The terrorists will slip through and attack again. So wat do we do after the second attack, send our army over there. An offensive deffense. We have countless battles against the terroists and win, but we also lose soldiers. We found Sadam and destroyed his rule, in this case there are multiple queen buggers. Not just one, so one death wont kill all of them. So u can put together the rest. But what was the outcome of Enders Game, we won, they lost. We helped rebuild there civalaztion, as we will in Iraq and the middle east. You can also put world war 2 in for the war now, when japan attacked us. See this offensive deffense works, its called War. In time of war, peace does not create world peace. In time of war, War creates peace.
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Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Paragraph breaks?
Please?
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I think you entirely missed the point of the book, then. In the end, it turned out the buggers weren't actually a threat anymore, and Ender came to deeply regret killing them all.
Dagonee
Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
Um... terrorists aren't aliens. They're violent and misguided humans, which measn they are far more dangerous.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
"Xenocide"
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
Then should we blow up all of them and hope they have a few eggs stashed somewhere? Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
Coherency and spelling aren't your strong point, are they?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote: Then should we blow up all of them and hope they have a few eggs stashed somewhere? [Confused]
First we need to feel tortured about it.
Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
Umm. Where is the Oil in this great analogy?
And, I seem to recall us having a GREAT DEAL of contact with these people BEFORE they attacked us, as a matter of fact, they were trained and funded by our own government.
So maybe Ender sided with the Buggs and then the Buggs turned on Ender, you might have a proper analogy.
...but it seems like you're on the "right side" meaning you can justify ANYTHING.
Posted by Human (Member # 2985) on :
And write a soul-shaking book about the how they were misunderstood, let's not forget that.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
That comes after finding the eggs.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote: Umm. Where is the Oil in this great analogy?
The Spice must flow.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Here we go again...
Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
Unfortunately, Card's book doesn't make a good parallel. As for a serious discussion of the "War on Terror", I'm sure there are a heap of threads on said topic from last summer, spring, and before. It's been talked to death, IIRC. Posted by JaimeBenlevy (Member # 6222) on :
"We found Sadam and destroyed his rule, in this case there are multiple queen buggers"
I'm getting a funny visual picturing Saddam as a queen bugger.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
WP, what's IIRC?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
If I Recall Correctly
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote: I'm getting a funny visual picturing Saddam as a queen bugger.
Do you mean that in the American or British sense?
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Thanks mph .
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I wouldn't use the parallel with Japan either. The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, while considered perhaps the best sneak attack in history, is also considered one of the greatest military blunders. In attacking the USA, they sparked a war they could never hope to win. If that analogy holds true, then attacking Iraq will be our downfall.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Posted by Nato (Member # 1448) on :
quote:I think you entirely missed the point of the book, then. In the end, it turned out the buggers weren't actually a threat anymore, and Ender came to deeply regret killing them all.
Dagonee
Q.E.D.
Is the original poster some sort of gimmick account?
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
quote: Alquida attack us twice, yes twice, 1993 and 2001.
quote:We found Sadam and destroyed his rule
I told you people Saddam was the one behind it all. You wouldn't listen to me, but you can't ignore this.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I like how he uses a misunderstood reference to the plot of Ender's Game to say that this war must be fought. It's like citing A Christmas Carol to explain why we need to reform Social Security: because if we don't, the Ghost of Christmas Future will be mean!
[ January 05, 2005, 07:58 AM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
at Tom
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
One of the things I really appreciate about this place: political absurdity is recognized by all parties.
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
quote: I like how he uses a misunderstood reference to the plot of Ender's Game to say that this war must be fought. It's like citing A Christmas Carol to explain why we need to reform Social Security: because if we don't, the Ghost of Christmas Future will be mean!
Thanks Tom! Now I have to find a new subject for my Master's thesis Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
As a side note, I've always thought it funny when people try to use fiction to explain...anything in life. It can be taken both ways.
Posted by Choobak (Member # 7083) on :
I didn't know Al Kaida is in Iraq in the Sadam palace ? Thanks for this Info !
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Zan
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
That makes sense, especially since he hasn't bothered to post anymore on this thread.
The Spice must flow!
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Yeah, he's another one who starts threads but doesn't post in them.
And I'm dying to know who's going to play Ender!!!
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
Everyone keeps saying Haley Joel Osmond, but I think that kid from Problem Child would be great in the role.
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
Nah, they should change his gender and let Dakota Fanning play Ender.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Ooh. That kid from Jingle All The Way would be good, too! Why doesn't anybody ever think of him?!
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
Hey, as long as they get Verne Troyer to play Bean, I'm happy.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Man, you guys are so behind the times! On the other side of the forum, I related the well known piece of scuttlebutt clear back on Dec. 12th:
quote:I heard that Bruce McCulloch was going to play Ender, using his Gavin character as an inspiration, and that Robin Williams was going to play Bean. They'll use CGI to shrink them down so that they're the same size as the other kids. Dame Judy Dench is going to play Petra. That's the word on the street, anyway.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Dwayne Johnson is going to play Bean as well.
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
quote: I heard that Bruce McCulloch was going to play Ender, using his Gavin character as an inspiration, and that Robin Williams was going to play Bean. They'll use CGI to shrink them down so that they're the same size as the other kids. Dame Judy Dench is going to play Petra. That's the word on the street, anyway.
Judy Dench can't play a teenager! What the crap???
And not just her, either... they need KIDS!
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
quote: On the other side of the forum, I related the well known piece of scuttlebutt clear back on Dec. 12th:
The other side makes my head hurt. Sometimes this side, too, but not nearly so much.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
*politely nudges Raia*
Posted by NinjaBirdman (Member # 7114) on :
So many mistakes in first post... Fighting urge to correct... Hmmph! Arrraaaargghhhh! *head explodes*
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Tom, you'll have to forgive me...
I have left this room once in the past week. I have done nothing but sit here and write papers, and today I have such a bad headache that my vision is blurry, and I can't even read them anymore.
That being said, I'm going to go make it more blurry by bashing my head into a wall...
Seriously, I'm not usually this much of an idiot. I promise.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
This thread is awesome. The internet does make you stupid...
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Iamnotstupid.
In the words of Kevin Kline.. "D-don't... don't call me stupid. Don't call me STUPID!" -A Fish Called Wanda
I've slept a total of maybe 20 hours over the last week and a half, and I've been breathing air out of a can for almost that long!
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
Who gets to be the speaker for Saddam?
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
I thought a cedonym referred to one particular person...
And he definitely doesn't post like that. Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
-That makes sense, especially since he hasn't bothered to post anymore on this thread.-(Qoute)
-Yeah, he's another one who starts threads but doesn't post in them.-(Qoute)
For those two people, but im sorry that i go to school from 7 to 3 and im not able to get on the computers that much at school(not alot of time on my behalf)
-Who gets to be the speaker for Saddam?-(Qoute) No one should, but in this judicial law "You have the right to an attorny" you must get one to make it fair. This man killed people in cold blood as Bean did the Achilles. He pointed and shot with his own arm. He corrupted the minds of millions(Binladian also) of people into thinking that this country is terrible for having freedom and that we alow women to do things in society, our differences and freedom make them hate us more. I aslo heard somewhere in the post that someone said that the buggers we're misunderstood. Well the buggers did attack twice, but as explained in one of the boooks(forget) they say that they were jus expaned or something, or traveling and saw us and blah blah. Well even if somen like that happend to the terroists and they had an epihany and changed there ways, someone must pay for the thousands that died on that horrible day of 9/11. We're also creating democracy in those lands or dictatorship. We're libarating those countries .They will start to make their own laws and rights will change. People will start out low, but like in this country of freedom one day everyone will be close the even. O and i also saw somewhere else somen about the EG movie, and i cant wait! Its gonna kick! I jus hope that they can find an actor(actors) that can potrait the fantastic character that Mr.Card wrote.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
I'm sorry, but I cannot understand most of what you wrote.
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Did you intentionally misspell "quote" three times? Because otherwise, that's pretty impressive...
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Have you considered a few remedial English classes?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
The multiple misspellings are probable a cut-n-paste error.
quote:Have you considered a few remedial English classes?
[ January 05, 2005, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Be nice, guys.
TDP, the standard on the forum here is to use more formal grammar and spelling care. This doesn't mean that there aren't other forums where the usual form of communication is quite different, and appropriately so, but it is unusual here (at the site of a writer).
I didn't mean to jump on your case, just explain why you might not get many substantive replies.
By the way, welcome to Hatrack. Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Personally, I was impressed the way he kept spelling something - somen. I was wondering if it was supposed to be along the lines of sumptin.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
I initially read it as "semen," but I figured it out from context. Makes my head hurt, though.
Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
quote:He corrupted the minds of millions(Binladian also) of people into thinking that this country is terrible for having freedom and that we alow women to do things in society, our differences and freedom make them hate us more.
AFAIK, this is completely false. The discontent with America--and the West in general--has been brewing among many in the Middle East for a long time. Those who would manipulate that discontent are doing so out of a desire for power.
Saddam poisoned no minds, to my knowledge. In fact, before we kicked over his struggling government two years ago, he was doing very little to directly antagonize us. That includes raise up funadmentalist terrorist organizations. He was unhappy with foreign inspectors in his country--I imagine he feared it was a witch hunt. The only thing Saddam did poison were thousands of Kurds in northern Iraq. He will be brought to trial for that (among other things) in an international court--something that should have happened 14 years ago.
quote: [I don't understand the point of this paragraph up until] ...someone must pay for the thousands that died on that horrible day of 9/11.
Why must people unrelated to our conflict with Terrorists be punished? The Iraqi people certainly weren't to blame for the September 11th attacks. Nor was Saddam himself. Also, in bringing these terrorists to "justice", we've lost close to half again the number of Americans as we did when the Trade Center collapsed, and I've never seen a count of the number of Afghanis or Iraqis killed in our quest for bloody satisfaction. Double-edged sword, indeed.
quote:We're also creating democracy in those lands [of] dictatorship.
I certainly hope so. For their sake, and for our nation's as well.
Those are my views. Everyone else has their own. Again, I implore you to seek out the search functionality of the forum to review what others have said before hauling out old subjects. The dead horse has been beat.
[ January 05, 2005, 04:26 PM: Message edited by: WheatPuppet ]
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
PDM, grammar nazi's and spelling errors aside, there are a few problems with your assumptions.
1) You assume that there is a connection between the religious fanaticism of Al-Queda and the Taliban and the Secular Humanist Dictatorship of Saddam Hussein. There is none. They were enemies.
2) You say that someone must pay for the deaths of 9/11. Why? Why must someone who is not guilty pay? Everytime we make a mistake in Iraq, and an innocent Iraqi dies, the terrorists/insurgents/idiots there make the same claim--that someone must pay for those deaths. If we enforce an Eye for an Eye the world will soon be blind.
3) You compare the Buggers, the ultimate in heirarchical combatants, with a world population equal to their army with terrorists and the innocent people that live around them. To say that we must destroy their world as we destroyed the buggers is a bit overkill.
There are many good reasons for us being in Iraq. What we are doing, for the most part, is a good thing, despite those very few who make all the press when they profiteer, abuse their power, or harm those who would be our allies. Your arguments, however, are not those good reasons.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
*Hugs Hatrack* AJ
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Sorry, I still have a hard time going along with any justification for this war. Us doing a good thing remains to be seen, it'll depend on how things go in the future and whether or not Iraq descends into civil war.
But what I've always had trouble swallowing, is that American can claim it's on this huge altruistic mission, and how much they care about the fate of the underprividleged in the world, but we ignore all the other things that could be more easily fixed. The genocide in Darfur, where no one so much as lifted a finger to help, sorry, we couldn't send a thousand peacekeepers, we were busy in Iraq freeing people who already had more rights in some cases than the rest of the Muslim world. We did nothing in Rwanda, when again only a few thousand troops could have stopped a genocide. We're hipocritical to say the least.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
[ January 05, 2005, 05:45 PM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
How long did it take you to find that, AJ? Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
quote:O and i also saw somewhere else somen about the EG movie, and i cant wait! Its gonna kick! I jus hope that they can find an actor(actors) that can potrait the fantastic character that Mr.Card wrote.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
*potraits*
Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
You do that very well, MPH.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
"Yeah, he's another one who starts threads but doesn't post in them."
Even though he explained why he had not posted, I can see why he might not. What cruelty he met here!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
quote:PDM, grammar nazi's and spelling errors aside, there are a few problems with your assumptions.
1) You assume that there is a connection between the religious fanaticism of Al-Queda and the Taliban and the Secular Humanist Dictatorship of Saddam Hussein. There is none. They were enemies.
Dictatorship, yes. Secular, yes. Humanist? I think not.
And there are no grammar Nazis, and certainly not (shudder) "nazi's". As the resident Grammar Communist, I hereby sentence you to re-education camp. Get thee to a kindergarten, go.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Pardon Moi. Grammar Communist.
Its good to be a Stalinist, as long as you get to be Stalin.
Posted by digging_holes (Member # 6237) on :
Kan eye B a grammer anerkist? You're, your, were, we're, wee kan ol B anerkist's 2gether.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
No! It's the principal of the thing!
Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
First off, for those who must know, when im typing somethin on a forum or when im talkin to a friend on aim i try to keep words short and get rid of letters that some people dont even pronounce.
Two, gettin back on topic, people your opinion is your own, but the enemy at hand have modern day technology but they fight the same way as they always have, those terrorists fight thousand year wars. They don't mind hiding and trainin for a couple of years. So y wait and let them attack again? They've already done it and if we didnt go over into the middle east they would have scattered until we would not be able to find them. So starting this war might have caused sadness in the families that had to lose their mother, father, sister, brother, etc. But like we say all of the time from older historical battles "Those men died for that flag to be hung in our classroom." or something along the line of that. You don't join the army thinking your never gonna have to fight, thats why they train you.
quote:Why must people unrelated to our conflict with Terrorists be punished? The Iraqi people certainly weren't to blame for the September 11th attacks.
i must certainly agree with you. Inocent people are dying and you no one should deny this. The loss of human life is terrible, but then again, that is what happens when you are in a war. Don't expect everyone that joined the cause to come out alive. People will die and people will also live.
quote:we've lost close to half again the number of Americans as we did when the Trade Center collapsed
yes lots of people did die and more will. Like i said before, this is a war. And also folks, are you thinkin of other wars faught? On one day, June 6th 1944(D-Day) 2,400 people died(un aprox.) On that one day more people died then in this whole war so far. Other battles of WW2 hundreds died. Revolutionary War, hundred and thousands died at a time. Civil War, WW1, Korea, etc. THis war death toll cannont toll up to "Some" battles faught in earlier wars, and or the whole war itself. I'm not saying that that these people died in vain, but i think some people are overlookin the other wars we were in. You can see how much our technology has come along, radar, new weapons, etc. On the news, radio, you hear "13 died in an attack today." those 13 should have a pray said for them by all, but, as i will bring back up, think of the other wars faught. O yea, jus for all of those who don't know, tommorow is the official end of Christmas , january 6th, so i shall leave you with something that people have already put behind them. Merry Christmas
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
quote: So starting this war might have caused sadness in the families that had to lose their mother, father, sister, brother, etc.
Or, might not have. It's kind of iffy.
[ January 05, 2005, 10:02 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
[edited for meanness]
My apologies, TDP.
[ January 05, 2005, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
*polite tone* Perhaps if you made your words longer and included all the letters you might be taken more seriously on this forum.
I made it through your first mini paragraph, then just gave up....as I did with your other posts. Don't be afraid to slow down and clean up your posts a bit - they'll be much more successful that way.
space opera
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
TDP, your reasons for not capitalizing, or spelling errors, or grammer errors, or whatever are your own. You can certainly post things like that here if you want - no one will stop you.
But you should know that I'm less likely to take you seriously when reading your posts take so much work. Heck, I'm less likely to read your posts at all. If you don't take the care and time to write something that at least approaches standard acceptable English as used in this forum, don't be surprised if more people react in a similar fashion.
It's not a reflection on your intelligence - it just makes it more difficult for us to see your intelligence.
Posted by NinjaBirdman (Member # 7114) on :
quote:yes lots of people did die and more will. Like i said before, this is a war. And also folks, are you thinkin of other wars faught? On one day, June 6th 1944(D-Day) 2,400 people died(un aprox.) On that one day more people died then in this whole war so far.
So are you saying our enemies aren't people too? THOUSANDS of Americans and Iraqis have died. Just because they're fighting against the US doesn't mean they're evil or, even worse, not even human! I guess that's how you justify all the needless killing though. You tell yourself the enemy isn't human. If you tell yourself that enough maybe it'll become true!
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Personally, I think people who do not have the common courtesy to spell right are subhuman scum who should be eradicated at the first opportunity. I appreciate that others may think differently; that's what reeducation camps are for.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
People who spell the same word in the same way over and over again demonstrate a lack of creativity.
Paraphrased from Ben Franklin.
That said, you need to be able to write coherently enough, and spell accurately enough, so that you can communicate effectively.
Grammar is constructed in such a way as to be dynamic. This is because language is dynamic, it is a means of expressing ideas, and ideas change, as does the manner in which we express those ideas. If you use language, you are breaking grammatical rules that have applied to the language you are writing. I actually think "Grammar Nazi's" (or communists) totally miss the point of grammar, and should be shot on sight for being hypocrits. *grin*
[ January 05, 2005, 11:03 PM: Message edited by: Paul Goldner ]
Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
ok,ok, ill take the time to correctly spell out words, and leave the g in all ing words. Im am sorry if it means that much to you.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
It's a start. Good doggie! For our next trick, we shall learn how to use apostrophes and capital letters.
More seriously, it is not a question of 'meaning a lot' to us. It is simply that you are not presenting your ideas effectively. You are being given good advice. There are hundreds of posts made on this board every day. The ones that are written in a hurry, with zero attention to the ease of the person reading them, tend to get filtered out very rapidly.
Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
Well to be honest, the forumes before i joined this one mainly consisted of Gaming Forums. I do read and study but i do get in some Halo2 gaming. I did get into some discusions like this one, but they were'nt at heavy on proper spelling. So hopefully all you guys at Hatrack can help, so i dont have to use word check as more.
Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
I would also like to apologise for my initial hostility. Being a clear and effective writer is a stunningly useful skill. As a former hardcore engineering student, I wasn't expected to be literate beyond understanding installation quick-start guides, I found that Hatrack kept my writing skills sharp.
Handy when I picked up a History double-major and my grade suddenly depended on formulating an eloquent argument about the jihad started by Usman Dan Fodio, the first Caliph of Sokoto.
Some day you may be in a similar situation. Think of it as practice for some obscure final essay.
Oh oh! I forgot my greeting ritual! (I've been terrably lax, forshame!) Hands DPM a cookie and a Hive Queen plushie. Welcome to Hatrack.
[ January 05, 2005, 11:56 PM: Message edited by: WheatPuppet ]
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
I'd like to emphasize that I wasn't being hostile, I was being serious. Remedial, as much as it has been coopted, doesn't mean a lack of potential, but a lack of education. Spending a bit of time doing some (relatively) intensive writing would get you up to snuff quite quickly.
Out of curiousity, how old are you?
Posted by Allegra (Member # 6773) on :
Taking the time to proofread your posts shows that you care about what you are saying and and how it is being presented. No one, besides the grammer communists, is expecting perfection, but a little bit of effort is appreciated.
I have found that most of the people here are interesting and helpful. I hope that once you get the feel for the forum you will enjoy it. Welcome to Hatrack. Posted by Lisha-princess (Member # 6966) on :
Can I just express how great the warm fuzzies I experience are when I see Hatrackers being so adamant about maintaining proper grammar, spelling and structure in a text? People around here (Purdue) just give you dirty looks when you insist on such things.
Edited for: what "here" means.
[ January 06, 2005, 12:06 AM: Message edited by: Lisha-princess ]
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
"your reasons for not capitalizing, or spelling errors, or grammer errors"
*polite cough* You mean "grammar," right? And I suspect that including a gerund in that list above is technically something that counts as a grammar error. Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
Tom-- Whazza Gerund? Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
We don't need no stickin' grammar!
Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
Yeah, we only want that non-adhesive kind! Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
not that i don't mind everyone's little side bar chatting, but can we get back on topic here? I want to see what everyone else has to say.
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
Well, run a search, then. See, this is another consequence of writing badly; people (meaning me) get so hung up on your spelling that they completely derail the thread. It might almost be a commie conspiracy to force people to spell right.
Anyway, I fear this thread is gone beyond recall. That happens sometimes. Often, in fact. Though religion threads seem to stay on-topic, for some reason. Maybe you should start a thread on how the Iraq war is a new Crusade.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
Oops... I did originally mean to write 'stinkin' ... but I like it better this way Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
quote: "your reasons for not capitalizing, or spelling errors, or grammer errors"
*polite cough* You mean "grammar," right? And I suspect that including a gerund in that list above is technically something that counts as a grammar error. [Smile]
quote: write something that at least approaches standard acceptable English as used in this forum
Yes, but you should notice that I didn't demand perfection. Just something that approached the general standard of accepted usage here, which includes the occasional spelling error and grammetical foible. Sheesh!
Sometime, Tomboy, I swear, we gonna tie you up and beat you mercilessly! But then, who knows, you might actually enjoy it . . .
Posted by Bean Counter (Member # 6001) on :
i wish icould get people to talk my opinions insted of my gramar it is like you all just want to keep your club to youself insted of leting new persons post hear!!!!
Posted by Bean Counter (Member # 6001) on :
Oh did I post that as Bean Counter? Oops! Well now you know my secret identity, I am really a postman in the dead letter office, I am not a soldier, just a Clive Barker fan in Omaha.
Hee Hee Hee. or perhaps I am just a fog of possibilities
BC
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Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
With all the wordplay flying around, I have no idea if you're joking or not, BC. I believe most did, in general, speak to your opinions rather than your grammar and spelling.
DPM's first post was nigh-illegible. It's bad when structure gets in the way of meaning. I would also like to point out that most (all?) posters in this thread including myself, have apologised for any unintentional hostility.
[edit: in light of previous post] Wow, okay. That's kinda lame, BC. Do you feel you need to be vindicated in your belief that we're all elitist by setting us up? I don't get it.
[ January 06, 2005, 11:07 PM: Message edited by: WheatPuppet ]
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Though religion threads seem to stay on-topic, for some reason.
It's the tailfins, I think. They help stabilize the thread's trajectory. Why we've never bothered attaching them to non-religion threads, though, is beyond me.
Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
It also helps that they spin when leaving the barrel because of a series of spiral grooves to direct gaseous energy. Thread rifling, it's the wave of the future. Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Pfft. It's a fad. It's all in the fletching, I tell you!
Posted by Bean Counter (Member # 6001) on :
Having you misspell like that makes me wince, stop it! Are you familiar with the Lessons of Don Juan?
A man of knowledge abandons personal history by wrapping himself in a fog of uncertainty, think of it as a lesson in humility, you must look for truth in the lies rather then looking for faults in the truth.
The same way that one finds concise laws in the chaos of nature.
BC
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
"A man of knowledge abandons personal history by wrapping himself in a fog of uncertainty, think of it as a lesson in humility, you must look for truth in the lies rather then looking for faults in the truth."
Well, it certainly worked for Cedrios. But let me suggest that rather than looking for truth in lies or faults in truth, it's better to look for truth in truth and faults in lies.
Posted by JaneX (Member # 2026) on :
quote:In time of war, peace does not create world peace. In time of war, War creates peace.
Um...
What?
Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
quote:In time of war, peace does not create world peace. In time of war, War creates peace.
Like i said, in time of war you can't try and resolve the problems at hand with politcal talk from officials. This war must be settled with War, we're to far into this to stop now. So now War must be resolved with war, peace talk can only happen during some type of surrender, but in this case that will never happen. At school when something wrong happend you told the teacher, guidance counseler, princaple, etc. They settled the conflict, in the real world you may be able to call a police officer to ref. the situation, but in this whole world America has no one to go to, so we must do everything ourselves. No other country is helping us, and if anyone is, it is very little. We attempted to talk to the UN, but being our rebelious nation we still agreed with war. Now we are in Iraq, and will be till this conflict is over and Al-quiada is distraught and or destroyed. Some of you may not agree, that is your opinion and i value that, but really think about it.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
quote:Oh did I post that as Bean Counter? Oops! Well now you know my secret identity, I am really a postman in the dead letter office, I am not a soldier, just a Clive Barker fan in Omaha.
Hee Hee Hee.
Bean, Bean, Bean.
You are not interacting in good faith.
People are not objects to play with; they are ends in themselves. Inauthenticity does not make one deep and mysterious, it makes one a coward.
Embrace the hard quest! Be a champion!
Act in good faith.
[I am glad you haven't left Hatrack; we're not through with you yet. ]
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Wow, war is peace.
If I avoid this thread, does it mean that ignorance is strength?
-Bok
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
No. It means strength is ignorance. You were mistaken. Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
"He who does not strike first, is first struck"
-Leonides of Sparta
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Which explains why the civilization of Sparta was beloved around the world, and is still on the cutting edge of culture today.
Posted by Hermocrates of Syracuse (Member # 7233) on :
Sorry Rhaegar, but actually Hermocrates said that, have you been playing a bit too much Rome Total War lately?
Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
Well for Sara Sasse, from what you quoted i had the impression that you think that i'm some one else, but i am myself. (Let's get back on Topic shall we?)
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Liar! I am myself, DP, and I am most clearly not you! I'm going to call you out on this one.
[ January 07, 2005, 10:51 AM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
Posted by Hermocrates of Syracuse (Member # 7233) on :
Sadam was yes a bad person, yes he was evil, yatah yatah yatah, the facts lie here, the actual military overthrow of Sadam was one of the best performed military actions in recent history, but the fact remains, the reconstruction was horribly botched, undermanned, and ill planned. Now I voted for the fellow, twice, but I will admit that the reconstruction was horrbily botched as should all people of honest mind.
Hermocrates
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
"the reconstruction was horrbily botched"
Why are we using the past tense? The reconstruction is being horribly botched as we speak.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Wait, so Disgruntled Postman is Bean Counter, who is not away on a military mission that everyone wished him luck on? And I stuck my neck out and defended him in this thread?
Ouch.
Posted by Hermocrates of Syracuse (Member # 7233) on :
True Thomas, it is still bad but it is improving, slowly...
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Hey, I said we should all shun Bean Counter, and you people called me unreasonable. Y'all knew he was a scorpion when you picked him up.
Posted by Hermocrates of Syracuse (Member # 7233) on :
Annoying little reptiles....
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Well, you didn't say so about DP, Tom. You are slipping!
Posted by Hermocrates of Syracuse (Member # 7233) on :
Midwest
Posted by WheatPuppet (Member # 5142) on :
Two greetings in one thread (albeit one greeting was a re-greeting of Bean Counter, damn pseudonyms!), what luck!
*hands Hermocrates of Syracuse a cookie and a Taleswapper plushie* Welcome to Hatrack. Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Just one?
Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
No, i am not Bean Counter.
quote:Well now you know my secret identity, I am really a postman in the dead letter office
I believe that he was reffering to his actual job, this is just a name that i use for such things as this forum.
Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
Anyway, on the whole issue on the reconstruction of Iraq and such. When your vacuming and they're still little dirt spots on you rug you can't call it clean, because it isn't. So you go and vacum again and get it out. Well in way(metophorically or course) we're doing the same thing over in Iraq. We thought it was clean at first, thus why President Bush made a statement about victory and such. We won in a sense, but those little dirt clogs are still in the rug. Now we just have to vacum again and be sure to get rid of it.
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
*agreed with Tom, agrees with Tom, and will continue to agree with Tom*
Mind games aren't my thing.
space opera
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
I always will be delighted to discuss something on Hatrack with someone who is acting in good faith, regardless of what has happened in the past. It can stay in the past, but there has to be authenticity in the current relationship, or it just isn't worth it. Not for me.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Tom, I for one did not disagree with you. I don't know that I actively agreed with you or not - I'd have to dig up the thread and check. But yes, I agree.
So. Now. Current theories - does this strengthen or weaken the Bean Counter = Jar Head theory? And does Bean Counter = TheDisgruntledPostman? I have my own opinions, but I'm curious what y'all think.
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
This is what I think:
I also think that when I saw Sara post this:
quote: [I am glad you haven't left Hatrack; we're not through with you yet.]
I for some reason saw her rolling Bean Counter in breadcrumbs. O_o Am I crazy or oh so right?
Posted by Boon (Member # 4646) on :
BC = TDP = Verb-fan?
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
It wasn't really clean. Bush has a terrible habit of slapping a bandage on a gaping wound and calling it healed. He seems to have rushed through this whole war process, seriously thinking it would only take a few months, less than a year and the more people try to insist this isn't the case, the more he seems to ignore this.
Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
I am not Bean Counter, ill let you people think what ever the hell you want, but im not im telling you that right now. Do you want proof? Does bean counter have XboxLive and Halo2Me on halo2 stats like i said many times, i dont know what caused people to think im BC, mabye your thinking along the line of Peter Wiggin with Locke and Dementhose. But i know who i am but if you people must go on thinking im who you want me to be.
Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
Please get back on topic and stop worrying about me.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
Dear Bean Counter,
I find you and the young males like you on this board to be increasingly frustrating. You need to grow out of your infantile love of the military. Guns and tanks and stuff may be neato when you're in grade school, but those of us who have matured beyond junior high realize that the military isn't all that cool and is just as fallible as any other institution. They can make mistakes.
I'd also better not find out that you or anybody else has been pretending to go to Iraq for any reason. I have three family members who've been in the Middle East and they didn't risk their lives so a bunch of punk kids can use the social status associated with going to war to push their own poorly thought-out, childish agenda.
My brother was nearly killed twice, once by a mortar another time while driving the Hummer at the end of a convoy. He didn't spend seven months in Junction City and Fallujah because Bush is awesome or he thought that what they were doing in Iraq was good for the country- he did it because he was ordered there and he followed those orders like a good soldier.
What he did was not "neat." He didn't like it. He prefers being back home in the US and we're all glad he's back. He doesn't like war-few people do-and those who do have some serious problems they need to work out.
I can't do anything to you. You are anonymous and I'm sure you're well aware of this- which is why you continue in your games. I can't travel to your house to beat the living ... stuff out of you- even though you deserve it. I don't really have the time to make sure your time on the internet is a living hell, but I do know that I'm sick of your crap and I'm happy to see that the rest of hatrack is. So... I conclude with this...
Go to hell. -Glynn
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
PC, that was one of the best damn posts I've seen on Hatrack.
space opera
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
Woo! You go!
Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
Well if you still think im BC, i dont care anymore. Primal You are right in saying that i do not know how you feal about having family in Iraq, because i don't. I can see why your angry at me, but why did your family member join this cause? To protect your family, and this country, and im sure there is many other reasons. But your family member(s) did not join(what ever type of the forces) against there own will. They have a reason for being in this war. They may hate it(as most vets and soldiers do because no one can really enjoy that). Everynight before i go to bed i always say a pray for all soldiers in Iraq. I can not know personally what you and many other wifes, husbands, daughters, sisters, sons, brothers, and all family members tied to the one person are fealing when you hear about deaths in the Country. My sincerest appologizes if i offended you in anyway. Disgruntled
Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
PC Sara Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Bah. I can't imagine people still believe the fiction that the war in Iraq is really about protecting Americans anymore. I never believed that it was.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
Neither did I. It seemed too sudden. Too... wrong.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
DP, I never said that you were BC. Why? Are you?
Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
No, because everyone of this post was acting as i was, and i assumed that you were directed your post to me
quote:Dear Bean Counter
. If it wasnt to me, i still stick with the apology that i gave to you after. Because i started this post, and i guess ill take responsabilty of what comes from it. I hope your family members come home safe. -Disgruntled
Posted by Soara (Member # 6729) on :
*falls off chair laughing*
Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
I guess i did sound really corny, were's TBS funny when you need'um.
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
Glynn, you're getting a bit soft in your old age. A few more years and you'd be down right cuddly.
Great post.
Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
It's almost like John's influence is wearing off us all.... pity that...
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
I'm about as cuddly as a diseased jelly fish.
Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
Can a jelly fish become diseased?
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
No, but many suffer the pain of disenchantment.
*solemn moment
Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
BTW
quote:mabye your thinking along the line of Peter Wiggin with Locke and Dementhose
Yeah, that's it. That's exactly what I'm thinking. Posted by Troubadour (Member # 83) on :
Yeah, anytime I'm in trouble, I just think: "WWPWD?"
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
Stake squirrels?
Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
Hahahaha, and skin them too, o and make death threats.
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